objection, involved racial stereotyping and lack meaningful end points. he was basically trying to say, look, you can no longer check the box. at the very end of the opinion, he tried to say, look, you know, you can bring in race as an experience in your essay. justice sotomayor joined by the other liberals. they seized that. she said that falls way short of bringing diversity on college campuses. she wrote the supposed recognition that universities can in some situations consider race in application essays is nothing but an attempt to put lipstick on a pig. she said this decision will somewhere a devastating impact, and it could be overstated. the two african american jurists on this court sitting on polar sides of the issue. we heard from justice thomas.

what was unusual here, he read hi concurrence from the bench. that rarely happens. he basically said he is painfully aware of the history of racism in this country, but he thinking everybody needs to be treated equally. justice jackson on the other side, her first term, she said the court's own missteps are both especially memorialized and excruciating plain. the schools wanted diversity, they felt like their schools are a pipeline to society, and the conservative challenges here, it was a group, they said, look, taking race into consideration violates the equal protection clause. violates federal law. that's why they wanted they programs struck down. they got the win today. >> the pipeline to the military, though, the officer corps, at least about one third of it at the service academies is

preserved, which is an interesting carveout. >> you know why that's interesting. during oral arguments, the biden administration really seized on the military, really solicitor general spent most of her argument -- but she was trying to say, look, this is why it's important in the military, hoping to convince them, of course, it would be important all the way around. in a footnote chief justice roberts said the military academies weren't before us today, so he allowed that continue, again, something that the dissent seized on here. we'll get much more a bit later this afternoon, but we want to go to jeremy diamond, who has been following this story from the white house. president biden there explaining that he is exploring potential executive action that he wants to direct the department of education to look at ways to promote diversity. jeremy? >> reporter: yeah, that's right, bore else s. president biden leaving no question about where he stands here, saying he

strongly agrees with the dissent in this case, and, like the dissent, he believes this decision overturns decades of precedent. the president issuing directly a message to americans, colleges and universities effectively saying, look, even though this supreme court decision says you does not admit -- that does not mean you should give up on your commitment to diversity in college admissions. essentially what he's doing is a new standard, for new ways for colleges and universities to try to build diverse classes. he talked about considering socioeconomic status, a lack of financial means, where a student grew up, individual hardships, including racial discrimination. that, of course, picks up on that one caveat in this majority decision, effectively saying students can still talk about their experiences dealing with racial diversity and that can indeed be considered.

for colleges and universities, there may be concerns about following that path because of the risk of additional lawsuits. this is a president trying to give those universities a green light to move forward with that kind of consideration. as you noted, boris, he did say he's directing the department of education to essentially come up with a list of best and worst practices for college admissions to ensure diverse classes. that includes some things i just mentioned. for example, legacy admissions is something the president talked about. we know it's a white house that's been preparing for weeks and months for the possibility of this very decision, preparing potential executive actions, and also a president who is increasingly dealing with a conservative majority on the supreme court that has been ruling against where the president stands. the president noted that when he said this is a supreme court that, quote, once again walked away from decades of precedents

and our ar let saenz was in the room and she asked about a statement from the congressional black caucus, and she said, do you agree this is a rogue court? the president's words -- this is certainly not a normal court. boris, brianna? >> jeremy diamond, thank you so much. let's talk about the legal breakdown of this. laura coates, you're here with us on set. first, i want to ask what the president said at the end. asked if it's a rogue court o. he said it's not a normal court. >> the court traditionally had been viewed as apolitical, now under the microscope for several issues, including based on precedent. every time you hear a nominee in the confirmation process, they

will tell you how much they honor precedent and they seem to indicate to the powers that be they have no interest in touching them. then as recently as roe v. ersu wade, and the dobbs decision, and this is a case that reaffirmed the notion you could use race as part of a holistic factor. now years later, it's being gutted, turned down and rejected again. so the president is rightly addressing -- should this supreme court be under the type of microscope that the talking points suggest it should be, or is this an indication that the justices are not being suede by the political objectives that you on which see. the supreme court in this very lengthy opinion, though, does not do itself many favorites in distancing completely from

discussions you often seen on the political trail. justice thomas talking about the 17-year-olds, not needing or deserving to bear the weight of the sins of the past. so you do have the infusion of these points that are coming up again. ariana, as you rightly pointed out, time and time again the composition of the court, we often speak of the so-called conservative bench, the liberal bench. americans are paying taking to how the decisions come down. they are reading a kid of tea leaf, or maybe the rob of the justice to determine, was this a predetermined conclusion? or was it really the result of objective analysis of the law? >> it is an important question. there's obviously political implications ahead.

i do want to get your perspective on this, elliott. i do wonder if there's a gray area that the supreme court opened up here. they talk about applicants and universities being allowed to consider discussion of their experience with race, but they aren't allowed to, the universities, to ask about that in demographic questions or in essay questions? houses is that going to work? >> you're touching on a very important decision. often the supreme court rules on paragraphs and perhaps, but not a flick of the switch, yes or no. it's a lot of explanation. it's really left to the public and litigants for over frankly decades, years, not just months, to sort out exactly what they

mean one of the central questions is what does john roberts mean with that line? imagine a kid applies to college, says in an essay, i'm from ghana, or i'm an immigrant, my family is from ghana, i'm a soccer player, and my dad went to this university, and he has agreed grades and test scores. the universe is now aware -- how do you consider that? i think that opening the door to plenty of litigation as to the extent to which universities can consider such things as part of a bucket of concerns about any applicant file? i think that creates a quagmire. i think the military question is another one as well -- what is to stop a future litigant from

saying, that throw-away line in the opinion that military is exempt, i think a smart challenger could say, that created more ambiguity and less clarity as to what the future of the law is, and frankly it's just a problematic to consider race in applications to military academies as well. so, i do think there's open yes, sir that will take time to sort out. the fundamental question is universities can't explicitly now consider race in applications. >> the other thing -- listen, the entire officer corps, most of it comes from outside the academies, then you have a service wait, knowing that, the academies in one way could look at trying to emphasize that to make sure they have a diverse officer corps. there's all kinds of things that could come out that we just don't know. i want to talk about polling, on

where americans are on this. it is interesting. on affirmative action, how do you feel about it? the most recent pew study shows that 50% of people disapprove, only 33% approve, 16% are unsure. so this maybe is something that does reflect, ariane, some of where america is. >> i think that's absolutely right when it comes to affirmative action, but when you look at the same polls, their position has been absolutely plummeting. it's just a year ago, right, that the cord overturned precedent. when this huge decision came out in the first few minutes, we were looking quickly to say, did he say over overturning? chief justice roberts never explicitly says he's overturning it. you wonder if he doesn't say

that, because he doesn't want to have the same thing happen last term when he overturned precedent. the liberals on this bench called him on it right away, saying you're overturning precedent here. that's a big deal. you're changing way people live their lives. even clarence thomas, he said in his pin you're overturns precedent. so when you're talking about public approval, how this court is trying to navigate the very low approval rating, really chum out today, because chief justice john roberts and the majority here tried to hide the ball a bit. >> if you're going to do it, explain it. all the kids know that, right? show your work. thank you so much for your insights. we have much or on the supreme court's decision. we're going to get in a quick break and we'll be right back. so, no more sweating all night... ...or blasting the air conditioning.

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moments ago, we heard from president joe biden on the supreme court's decision to gut affirmative action. he says, u.s. colleges must still work to make their stewed bodies more diverse, and would direct the department of education to examine programs like legacy admission that is reward privilege. we want to discuss this the president of color of change. thank you for sharing an afternoon with us. we're wondering where things go from here. before this decision, your group said it was planning to protect diversity and true equity for all. what does that effort look like now? >> it looks very much like what the president is saying. we're calling on universities to broadband public and transparent about their plans. what are their plans to assure

they're not simply prioritizing privilege. there are so many reports and studies that animate all the different way that privilege creates a whole set of doors for unearned opportunities for people to get into universities. 43% of admissions into harvard are white either on the dean's interest list, which are kids of potential donors or folks that can buy buildings, and white athletes. when you have a group of 43% of white students falling into that group, and the same study, if those benefits were not provided, diversity would look very different, you have to look at all the of of the way that

access comes into play. if we don't have a full range to look at the experiences that people have going into schools, we will turn back the hands of time on opportunities. this is about merit and the range of things we look to consequence opportunity merit. and the cascading impacts that decisions like this have on employment, on public investment, so much more, that is why we at color of change are so serious about holding institutions accountable, but making sure they are transparent about what they are doing, and not allows these institutions to simply move on and makings sure

that all who enable this are held accountable as well. >> part of this argument, is based on academic excellence,ation american students were underrepresented in admissions adds at harvard, do you make of the argument that focusing on academic excellence will improve the quality of education country-wide. >> well, the conservative movement has never been a movement that has sort of wanted to promote racial opportunity and equality foration americans. asian americans. one has to raise their eye around where they're coming from, but we have edward blum, a white conservative, who is also behind the attacks on voting

rights, the attacks on other racial equity, have been behind these case. when you look at some of the ways in which they brought forward plaintiffs their police officers ended up being white. what we know is they have put forward this -- their plaintiffs ended up being white. in the ways in which they gerrymander in this country, they have voted against these areas in the country. we can't read the press releases and take them as standards. they have used this idea, and also avoided the real and deeper conversation about legacy admissions, about folks with

wealth beingent to buy their way into universities just a couple years ago we were seeing story of all the folks in hollywood buying admissions, using elite sports that you have to spend a lot of money to take to get their kids into universities, scholarships. we know all of the way in which the system is rigged. what we see is now turning around wealthy billionaires trying to close the door on opportunity just as more americans learn about things like redlining, just as more americans learn about systemic racism. they don't want to play on a fair field. they said privilege. they want prifl-based hiring, investments, everything to rule the day. that is why the work that civil rights organizations will do, that's why the work of everyday americans, of all races who want

to have equity and opportunity and merit to have a full public hearing to get involved in these efforts. the same people behind this are the same people trying to ban books about martin luther king and rosa parks. they want to turn back the hands of time and not let us move forward. >> rashad robinson, thank you are for your time. >> thank you for having me. of course. the pacific legal group filed amicus briefs with the supreme court, and aaron wilcox is an attorney with the foundation. i know your group says this ruling is a win to equality. explain why you think that. >> this is a win for individuality, a win for evaluating the people as our

constitution says. rather than classifies applicants to college based on their race and assuming that everyone of a person race will bring the same kind of background, the same kind of viewpoint to this school, what the supreme court said today is, no, colleges and universities, you need to look at each applicant as a person. maybe their race will play a role, maybe that will inform things they have overcome or their viewpoint or what they can bring to the take, but for the first time in a very long time, colleges and universities will have to evaluate the unique individuals before them. >> in your brief, in supporting this decision, you say the path forward is tearing down obstacle not by, quote, creating racial entitlements. so specifically how do you do that? tearing down the obstacles to opportunity for black and

hispanic students? >> that's going to be the big question. i think we'll be facing in the next near term, but anything that you can do, tearing down barriers, anything you can do that lifts up kids of all races, that doesn't just put you in a box based on your race. you've seen that as an example, for example, in california after voters passed prop 209, who forgo ahead in part colleges and universities from consideration race in admissions. they had to then start going out into the community and recruiting from neighborhoods and recruiting from high schools that they never served before, that they had never looked at before, and investing in communities there, in places of low socioeconomic status, or places where kids didn't often go to college. they saw black and hispanic

rates rebounds after that. they have to do more work. >> just to be clear, erin, as a graduate of the uc system myself, whose class was bisected by that decision, there was a dramatic drop at first, significant that would have, you could argue, impact a generation of students who were attending that massive college system. of course. the uc had to figure it out, but the numbers did rebound as colleges hope to achieve what i believe they hope is a diverse set of kids, but without relying on boxes and stereotyping as they've been doing for so long. >> i do just want to note -- we're going to talk about this in the show, the uc system and

many from the uc system certainly having some issues with how they handled things. you make that point, certainly one that's valid, but it's certainly something that people are looking at from different directions, and there is some disagreement on that. what do you make of this military service academy carveout? they're saying that for west point, for the air force academy, for the naval academy, that this doesn't apply. >> i'm not reading a whole lot into that, to be honest. what it looks like from the footnote in the majority opinion is that the court is saying this wasn't before us, and we're not going to rule on it today. i think that certainly could be an issue that comes up in the future. the federal government was certainly very keen to argue it in oral arguments, but i don't think the court wanted to take that issue up, because it wasn't before the lower courts. i think that could be an area

for future litigation. >> but how -- i mean, these are college students, a large number of college students, how is that not an issue in this? these are people who, yes, they go into the military, but they also join the broader society's well after they leave the military. how can that be swept aside as this doesn't count in this discussion? >> well, in my view, it should count in this discussion. as you're correct to point out, these are college students. the ruling today should apply to everyone. eliminating racial discrimination means eliminating all of it. it's the point that equal means equal. the 14th amendment applies to everyone. i think that was a matter of convenience for the court today, but i don't believe it should be swept under the rug. i think those students are every bit as important as students in every other college and

university in the country. >> we heard the argument certainly on the other side they thought this undercut national security and leadership, and we'll have that discussion coming up with general wesley clark. erin wilcox, thank you for your time today. >> thank you. we're following other certificate big story. there's reports of a military purge inside russia, and a key east r. questions now about whether vladimir putin has imprisoned a man who was once one of his top generals. we'll be right back. from big cities, to small towns, and on main streets across the us, you'll find pnc bank. helping businesses both large and small, communities and the people t who live and work therbank.

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palace intrigue at the kremlin. one of russia's top general apparently missing. just yesterday, information number of times reported that general sergei serovikin knew that wagner mercenaries were plotting the invasion. the kremlin is referring our question to the minute tries of defense. he's among a number of top military officers who have not been seen since the failed -- and yevgeny prigozhin, the

kremlin says the wagner chief was exiled to belarus, but he hasn't been seen there yet. russian state media says before the insurrection, prigozhin sell his troops were no longer allowed to fight in ukraine. >> reporter: general siriviki niismt, general armageddon as he's known because of his ruthless traffic he developed in syria, and various cities there, he's nowhere to be seen. he handling seen since pealing to the wagner group, where it looked like more like a hostage video, to not proceed with the military uprising. since then, he hasn't been in touch. he was known -- he is known to

have been very close to wagner. he was often the liaison between the russian mill their and wagner forces on the ground. so, you know, it's kind of part of this whole concern that the kremlin now has about why it was that wagner forces were permitted to move so easily into a russian city, for instance in the south, without any real military resistance in what is meant to be a military city. i think that's set off alarm bells within the kremlin. that's why there's so much concern that there may be a purge, or at least investigations into what people have, happening in the various military circles in russia, the wagner chief is right, he's meant to be in belarus, but there's been no sign of it since the belarusian president said he

was there and living in exile. we have been tracking planes tracked to him, and no real clarity. thank you so much for the reporting. the kremlin selling cnn no comment on the whereabouts of the general, so veation. i'm joined by peter zwack. general, what do you think about where serovkin could be at this point? >> he has either been arrested or been directed or taken himself out of public sight, this is more unlikely. i think with the news that's swirls and the distrust and paranoia that in many ways

harkins back to the military to the stalin era, but you have -- nobody nose and the fact that he hasn't come out other than house statement early on during this chaos is, yes, very revealing. and then, of course, this whole network with other general that we're hearing rumors we have to be careful to parse out this information here, but what is of concern is things are really awry, which translates into a society and i think has rocked the kremlin. >> you mentioned that distrust. how big of an opportunity is this for western allies of ukraine and ukraine to exploit

that distrust. you hear western officials raising the possibility and kind of leaning into this, this is a general who could have attached to these coup plans. how much of an opportunity is this to sow doubts in vladimir putin's mind? >> i think that's already happening organically inside of russia. we have to be very careful as to -- because we're also having to, um -- the target isn't just putin and the regime, but to be credible to the russian population. if we get over-enthusiastic in trying to involve ourselves in the inner dynamics, that may blow up in our space. i think we support ardently ukrainians, we make it hard for russians to do the irregular stuff they're doing worldwide,

but i don't think we get involved in the inside skull duringery. i think that could backfire on us. we haven't seen prigozhin. we know his planes have been moving within russia. where do you think the leader of wagner could be? >> we don't know. we all thought he was going to belarus. what is his situation? what is his condition? is he somehow part of this narrative? or is he arrested i have a feeling, if there are arrests coming on, there will be little mercy coming out of the kremlin. the orther big question is, how is russia going to digest the

wagner group? are they going to give them military contracts, the ministry of defense, are they going to free them. do they reunite in some way? i don't think so. there was talk about going to belarus, so there is a swirl all over what's going on. one last point that i think is so important that adds toth intrigue, was the fact that prigozhin on the push up through rostov, and this so-called meeting outside of the southern military district, i've been there. this is a big deal, if he is sitting there having coffees with generals of the southern military district, while his forces are at that time, you know, roaring down a very, very good highway toward moscow. if so, then he's in a lot of trouble. those other generals are in a

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♪ as we are watching live images outside of the supreme court, where protests are beginning to grow, today's ruling that guts affirmative action is yet another landmark discussion from this conservative majority court. we actually just heard from the president-elect of harvard university that was a defendant in one of these cases. let's listen. >> the supreme court's decision on college and university admissions will change house he pursue diversity. for nearly nine years, harvard vigorously defended our admissions process and the belief we all benefit from learning, living and working

alongside people of different backgrounds and experiences. we will comply with the court's decision, but it does not change our values. >> reactions to this ruling, as you might imagine, have been emotional. just like the roe decision last year, this has sparked a highly polarized responsibility here. let's take you live to capitol hill. m manu, you've been spot to lawmakers. what have they said about this decision? >> reporter: well, their views depends on the side of the aisle they sit on. you're hearing republican after republican, speaker of the house, on down to his rank-and-file praising this decision, no longer will people be discriminated against in the college admission process. on the other side of the aisle, democrats, furious, angry. senator schumer contending it will be a major road block to

achieve racial justice in this country. you're hearing that being echoed down the line as well. also, you're hearing from democrats who are -- african and republicans who are african american viewing this issue quite differently. the black caucus, on the house democratic side issued a statement expressing its outrage, saying by deliver a decision on affirmative action so radical as to deny young people seeking an education equal opportunity, the supreme court has thrown into question its own legitimacy. now, on the other side of the aisle, byron donald put out a statement saying clearly there was a time when affirmative action was needed, but that time is over. the high court rightly ended the policy. merit and achievement must be what we all desire. so you're getting a flavor to

this historic division. boris? >> manu raju, thank you so much. crews working to recover debris of the titan submersible off the ocean floor in the north atlantic may have found human remains within the sub. what comes next when "cnn news central" returns.

recovery teams pulling debris from the doomed "titan" submersible have found presumed human remains. this is a discovery that was made late yesterday on the sea floor of the "titan" site within the wreckage. crews were seen hoisting giant pieces of the sub from waters off of the canadian coast. the coast guard officials are saying that u.s. medical professionals will now analyze what search teams have found. cnn's paula newton is in ottawa where the recovery effort continues. what else can you tell us about this? certainly this is something that the families will be looking for. >> reporter: very closely, and of course hopefully will offer them sal as to know that some -- solace to know that some remains were found. and obviously this will be handled delicately for the families and for this nef investigation. we've had more news, the debris pieces were so large, you could match them up with what the submersible looked like. and for that reason there is

high hopes for this investigation that they will be able to determine exactly what caused this catastrophic implosion. also important here is the transport safety board that in a release last night indicated that they had the data recorder from the polar prince. you'll remember that that was the mother ship that was essentially tethered for communications to the "titan." they will now hopefully through interviews and that data recording be able to know the precise moment that they lost communications and possibly why -- was there a clue as to what happened? and then when we talk more about those debris pieces and the investigation ahead, we can also look to the materials. we all heard about that carbon fiber, is it really a good material for the passenger cabin, and as well be able to test those large elements in laboratory -- in laboratory conditions. u.s. coast guard now has possession of them, but important here the transportation safety board here in canada says that they've already cataloged those items.

quickly, a reminder, still possibly a criminal investigation to come on both sides of the border. >> we'll be looking for that. thank you, live for us from ottawa. boris? we have breaking news just in to cnn. the special counsel is apparently still investigating donald trump's handling of classified documents even after the former president was indicted on 37 charges. let's get straight to the classified document saga as it has been unfolding. what is the latest? >> reporter: multiple sources are now telling me that this mar-a-lago documents investigation, it's not over. there is still grand jury activity, that grand jury is empaneled in miami. there are still witnesses that the special counsel's office, the people who are prosecuting that case that's already charged against donald trump and his co-defendant, walt nauta, those prosecutors still have questions, and the investigation is ongoing. we don't know what this means,

but it could mean a lot of different things. it could be just some additional inquiries, that happens sometimes when there's a pretty robust investigation after an indictment. there may be likeloose ends. but there may be other charges, potentially other defendants, potentially additional charges that prosecutors still are looking at, and they want to keep investigating, using this grand jury in miami. and when you look at that indictment of donald trump that we have already, it's a pretty thorough story, but there are lots of questions that remain, especially what happened after june of last year before that fbi search and those documents were found and recovered by the federal government. so a lot of questions. keep watching florida, keep watching the special counsel's office because donald trump is headed to trial along with walt nauta, both entering pleas of not guilty. but there still may be legal risk that surrounds them and potentially others in this investigation.

boris? >> and i know you will be on hand to break down all of this. several threads investigators are still pursuing in that case including possible gaps in surveillance tapes and the handling of records at trump's bedminster golf club in new jersey. thank you so much for the reporting. we'll of course bring you back to discuss more of it we continue. ft. i don't have it. i don't have it. - keep going. - we should've used behr. yeah. today let's paint. right now, get a america's most trusted paint brand at a a new low price starting at $28.98. behr. only a at the home depot. dinner! [sfx: phone ping] ♪ what? tween milestones like this... may start at age 9.

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