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sixth and there was a warrant out for the arrest. law enforcement officials tell cnn tonight that the suspect, taylor toronto claimed on the internet live stream he had an -- a detonator. he has now been arrested as a fugitive of justice. a spokesperson for the obama's declined to comment. thank you so much for joining us. cnn tonight starts now. >> thank you very much. good to see you. >> and good evening. welcome to cnn tonight. the supreme court handing down a decision that thing described as a generational shift. it will alter the way colleges and universities have -- for decades. they overturned affirmative action. the long-standing president to help level the playing field for black and hispanic students. tonight we will speak to lawyers and students directly involved in this landmark decision. plus another member of donald trump's inner circle is talking to the special counsel
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investigators. sources tell cnn that a top campaign aide was shown a classified map relating to a military operation by trump during a meeting at bedminster in the summer of 2021. this is yet another incident of trump showing up secret information separate and apart from that damning audiotape that cnn obtained. we are also learning that another former trump official is cooperating with the special counsel's we are much more on that head. and a stunning verdict in the trial of scott peterson. he the x school resource officer who stayed outside during the school shooting at marjorie stone and douglas. 17 people died that day including 14 students. >> we the jury find the defendant not guilty. so say we all this 29th day of june, 2023. >> we will be covering that story later in the program let's begin with the supreme
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court's landmark decision on a bird of action. ruling that colleges and universities can no longer take race into consideration for granting admission. here to help us understand what this means for students and for colleges and for the country is our chief legal analyst laura coates. let's start with college admissions. how will this change college admissions. >> remember in a series of cases we already knew there could not be quotas. there could not be the so- called plus factor that you would assign to race in the overall application and admission process. the real question for the court is whether race could be considered part of a holistic review of an application akin to what you do for say a -- or maybe an athlete or a legacy student or a donors child or perhaps a veteran. any number of factors. with the court decided today is that you cannot use race as a part of even a holistic process. they believe in the majority of the 14th amendment which says we do not want to look at race at all as either a detriment or
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an advantage. should be a colorblind society as it relates to race and we can all quibble about whether that in fact is a genuine argument or disingenuous but the majority holding found just that and as a result they are saying you cannot use race as a factor. and of course allison, the issue is that there is a line in the holding that says this is not meeting you can't have a student discussing race in say a college admissions essay so now it's quite the conundrum as an officer i can look at race but a student might be able to describe one's identity and 16. as a particular race and am i to throw away that application in some form or fashion or disregard that? what shall i do? the dissent of course gave a very fiery response about the fact that you do not believe we are in a colorblind or race blind society and that it is a means of course correction that will very much is needed.
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>> i find the college as a component to this so confusing having had two seniors who have just gone through this the college essay is about your lived experience or it is supposed to be to shed light on who you are beyond your test scores and so what justice roberts said about it and i will read it to anyone he says nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant's discussion of how race affected his or her life. yet through discrimination or otherwise. but despite assertion to the contrary universities may not be established through application essays or other means the regina we hold today. what cannot be done directly cannot be done indirectly. it is confusing. >> reporter: it can be. remember when people are
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talking about affirmative action there seems to be a very growing trend where people are talking about one thing or another but never quite how affirmative action actually works. the president of the united states actually alluded in his own speech it's not that you begin with race of an applicant and then decide whether their qualifying at that moment. it's about the qualifications of the actual applicant whether they are already otherwise qualified on a merit based and albeit subjective set of criteria and then race is often use in terms of the admissions process as it was articulated in the arguments before the court in briefings and amicus briefs and beyond as a way of looking at similarly students or those who have similar test scores particularly similar geographic or other things and then to what extent one applicant can contribute to the admissions, criteria, vision of the campus versus the other. that's usually how it has been
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looked at and so this notion that race is the predominant and driving factor to decide who is first qualified is actually not an accurate assessment but even so the supreme court has said race cannot be a part of the admissions criteria and factor in that it's going to lead to some uncertainty but more likely a lot of litigation now about whether it's being followed by individual schools. probably the reason present by the ministration i want to provide some sort of guidance ahead of an upcoming fall semester. >> we will get into those issues now. you very much. let's bring in harvard law professor randall kennedy and he is the author of -- great to see both of you gentlemen. professor put this in practical transfers. how will it change hard for admission process.
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it will prompt harbor to be more limited in what they have been doing and what all the universities all selecting universities have been doing with affirmative action. it is clear that the court has cut back on or in fact dismantled and invalidated the so-called diversity rationale. it's you and your colleague who stated outside of the program after that the opinion is rather opaque. it's very unclear as to the extent to which race can be taken into account and the last two paragraphs of the court's opinion it says expressly that race can in fact be taken into account and it seems you have to take into account in a very limited way a retail way a way that is directly limited to a particular applicant but it
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seems to me that there is plenty of room in this opinion to still take race into account. >> okay. i want to talk about dissenting opinions because they have been described as gating. i will read one of them. it's from justice jackson. with let them keep -- let them eat cake the majority announces colorblindness for all. that's her dissent in the unc case quote deeming race irrelevant does not make it so in life. >> is not level of dissent unusual? >> for sure and she didn't read her dissent from the bench but the other one sort of -- did as did roberts and when you get to the core there allison because last year blockbuster decision or also a wrecking ball that demolishes many years of precedent was a fight about the meaning of a single case.
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this revealed a divide not just about the meaning of the law and the meaning of a case, but about worldviews. and so the ultimate criticism that they are leveling is that you do not understand the world. -- prince will that the way to end discrimination is ending all racial discrimination and it's superficial in a word and it has to be -- you have to take inequality into account in order to achieve equality and that position as the professor says is going to be litigated in fine-grained four years and to the extent the court has the suggestion that we have put an end to this and it will find it very much otherwise i think. >> professor as you know one of the precedents for affirmative action standing was this 2003 case in which the supreme court
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ruled that colleges could consider race to achieve educational diversity and for the majority in that case sandra day o'connor said she expected "25 years from now weaning the world 2028 -- the year 2028 that the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary of course that has not happened yet so did affirmative action work at harvard the way it was intended and beyond? >> i think a permanent action has been working in the sense that it has helped to desegregate the upper echelons of american society including selective universities. i think affirmative action to a very large extent has been a positive force in american life and a success story in american life and i think that's one of the reasons why many people are very disappointed and very angry in fact at what the supreme court has done.
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>> i know you alluded to this but can you just explain how this will put colleges and universities into this legal quagmire? >> the truth is we don't know what that little expert you read at the end -- you will have now a cottage industry. it's ironic people writing essays stressing their unidimensional racial identity with the exact -- but any matter because the bottom line harvard and selected universities cannot return and will not return to a 1950s sort of ozzie and harriet world. they will do what is necessary to make that not happen. >> for vessel rental kennedy and harry lipman, thank you. >> thank you. next i will speak with two students involved in today's decision who disagree on whether affirmative action helped or hurt them.
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the supreme court today rejecting race-based affirmative action in college admissions so let's talk to students on both sides of the issue. first we have medicine tried who is a harvard graduate who testified in the harvard admissions case. thank you for being here. i know how personal this decision is to you because you have testify at trial about your experience of my black student at harvard so tell us your reaction to the decision.
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>> thank you for having me. i was talking to a family member of about how i've had five years to prepare for this decision with the expectation it would come down this way and i was so sad. i'm still pretty heartbroken about it. when i think about the ways that my experience would've been limited had i not had the opportunity to be around a diverse student body think about the losses that future students will face looking forward. it's pretty heartbreaking to me. >> let me try to share with you some of justin clarence thomas's logic in doing it. but he wanted to end up limited -- and affirmative action that today's youth should not shoulder the moral death of their ancestors and also says that racialism simply cannot be undone by different or more racialism, so what you think of his logic? >> i think that logic is a very basic level disingenuous i
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think that he that because he made it his mission to dismantle affirmative action for quite time but i know personally that is not racialism or additional discrimination. this is a proxy for considering what i would've face. i know there was a lot of additional labor that i had to do whether it was in terms of reinventing the wheel and teaching myself certain things that others were learning by being in all white teddy groups or trying to uplift different ways of learning and tutoring younger students so they wouldn't have to go through that. even just the struggles of trying to convince teachers to allow me to hold club or to allow me to partake in certain
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opportunity that i was denied and nonblack students were not denied. all of those things happen to me and on top of that i know that i have to balance the concurrent responsibilities of being one of the only black student in my classes and a lot of the time and representing my whole community and being held to task for that and in doing all of that i still had to get grades that were good enough for harvard to see me being able to consider my race and my story is how i believe harvard was able to see me without overlooking the and i think any judgment that does not take that into account is pretty thinly veiled as an attempt to ensure that there is less diversity on college campuses. >> that's interesting to hear because we are about to speak to a student from the group that watched this lawsuit and he said that asian americans
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were denied admission to harbor as you know. what you say to the people that say that asian students have gotten the raw and of affirmative action >> asian americans are also students of color and are not exempt from discrimination. being able to check a box that says this is my right allows you to imply that you have experienced racial discrimination experience and american students also benefit from affirmative action. also benefit from holistic admissions and it has been demonstrated that certain americans groups will actually see a decrease in rates of attendance under groups that are artie underrepresented if
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they don't have the opportunity to articulate their story. mostly i can speak to my experience and say that i know it was important for the diversity of the student body. >> thank you very much for sharing your reactions to this. as you said is a very personal decision for you. we appreciate you being here. >> thank you for having me. i really appreciate it. >> now let's go to calvin yang. he's a member of the students for fair admissions group that sued to end affirmative action. thank you so much for being here. and i just listened to that interview we did so what is your response to the wind for your group today? >> first of all good evening and thank you so much for having me allison. i think today's decision marks a pretty landmark when the rights of asian americans in this country because for so long there was this men's conception associated with asian americans that we are the model minority and that we work hard, keep our
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heads down and do not really participate in a lot of actions concerning standing up for our own rights so today is a direct testament against that and for that i am both very relieved and very happy. >> what about what medicine was saying basically which is that asian americans do represent people of color and a particular minority and so do blacks? i think her point was that you should be on the same siding should all sort of be fighting for the same thing and that is to be seen and you have your life is utterance recognized in college admissions. >> well if you look at the statistics here about affirmative action it goes to show that first of all asian africans were routinely marked out because of arbitrary factors like personality, likability and leadership which has no quantifiable measure to measure those specific attributes and because of that despite having average or higher than average ratings on all the other factors
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that harvard looks at asian americans have a lower chance of getting into harvard. so in that sense it goes to show that despite affirmative action being a very well- intentioned idea its execution in reality is poor. >> what about this step. part of your lawsuit as you just said was that asian americans were being disadvantaged by affirmative action, but 28% had admitted students at harvard in 2022 were asian. that up from 20% in 2013. so how are they being disadvantaged? >> if you look at it this way asian americans ward -- asian american applicants tend to score higher on standardized testing than all the other ethnic groups and also on par in terms of extracurricular activities and all the other attributes that harvard looks at
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in terms of assessing its applicant and that's why acting is still understandable that there is a high percentage of asian american applicants and dudes who end up enrolling at harvard college but at this name time asian americans who have the grades and who meet the academic benchmark and all the other things that harvard looks at still get marked down because of personality. so again it an unfortunate reality and again i'm very happy that today is helping to address that. >> president biden said he's concerned this will make social economic inequality worse. can you be sure that it won't? >> so again i think that moving on from today policymakers from all across this country need to explore alternatives. alternatives are both race neutral but also factor in the nuance situation that this country is facing. for example racial inequality
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and income inequality. for me personally i am a strong proponent of a socioeconomic based system where applicants no matter what their ethnic group is if they come from disadvantaged backgrounds they should be given more of a boost at these elite colleges in terms of admissions. in that way i think it definitely will help even address a lot of the issues that the country is facing today. >> thank you for your time tonight. it's really interesting to hear both perspectives on this landmark decision. thank you. okay. more trump insiders are into investigators now. who are they and what do they know? that's next. i
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do you need mulch? what, we have a ton of mulch. several developments tonight in the legal cases facing donald trump. sources tell cnn that a top trump campaign aide has open multiple times to investigators looking into the mishandling of classified documents and we are learning a former trump campaign official is cooperating with the special counsel's investigation into 2020 election interference. joining me now is senior affairs correspondent for cnn
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and let's start with the classified documents. tell us about this campaign aide susie wiles. >> susie wiles is one of trump's closest aides and she's effectively running his third campaign for the white house and a source tell cnn that she is the representative of the -- and they allege he showed a classified --. this is one of the most shocking things in the indictment that allegedly he showed a classified map for someone who worked for his pack. of short shocking he would make classified documents but the other question that this raises is was this someone in his inner circle who revealed this to investigators or do they know this from someone else? now we know they spoke with investigators multiple times and they were asked about it but it not clear if she is the one who gave this information to prosecutors. we are told that the trump team was blindsided by this news today come on but as of now
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there are no plans of for wiles to step back and her campaign role. >> that's interesting. now we turn to the investigation in the 2020 election interference. who is that former campaign official was cooperating with the special counsel? >> is interesting because we know -- was subpoenaed. cell phone was seized as part of the investigation into effort allegedly put forth and that prop has been dumping the investigators have really been focused on recently and also this all comes as we see an uptick in activity in the january 6th investigation. we have seen a flurry of new witnesses including willie giuliani and other high profile folks so it does appear that zach smith would be reaching a charge decision on the case soon. >> okay, as we say so often it's hard sometimes to keep track of all of these but not for you. is there a pecking order of how
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these things will unfold and which one should or would go first that we should prepare for? >> not really as you do an investigation you tend to save the more important people for the and because your gathering information that you will then used to question those people so that in a sense is an order but there's only people working on this investigation honestly because special --. it's not in a normal case for your prioritize. i think all these strands and the pressure campaigns in the investigation about the campaign part of it all that i think is been done by separate teams. >> there is also the fulton county investigation into election interference. you have a sense of which one if the federal charges for that one will go first. >> we know the timing of georgia more than likely because the document that's a little bit more likely to be in that window. what's really weird is the doj
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did not tell them to stand down way back when they started investigating a year and a half ago. that would've been the more normal thing to do but now that they said go ahead i think there will be a little bit of a dance here. who will go first and what that will mean for scheduling and all those things. >> paula, tell us what the grand jury in florida is up to because they already indicted former president trump as we know for the mishandling of the classified documents so what are they still working on? >> is not unusual for a grand jury to continue its work after charges have been filed. we know that there are a lot of outstanding trends. for example we know that investigators were asking about possible gaps in surveillance footage. also questions about how these materials were stored in bedminster new jersey so today when our colleague ordered this grand jury is still actively seeking information from witnesses still investigating and it wasn't terribly surprising because it is still possible that they could bring
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additional charges against someone else or possibly a superseding indictment against former president trump or his co-defendant while not a. >> gaps in surveillance. the fact that -- are you surprised the grand jury is still working? i'm not surprised they're looking at indicting other people. it would be unusual for them to continue to build a case because once you are and that you are supposed to bring a trial subpoena. i suspect it means that they are actually looking to indict other people with the gaps and even some of the tech people who were supposed to be responsive to the subpoena. >> it could be anything but i guess they are trying to figure out what those mean. in a different development sources tell us that vitamins iran envoy has been placed on leave and his security clearance has and suspended for something so what do we know about this. >> this is reporting for my national security team but it's really interesting because he's been placed on leave without pay and this occurred after his
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security clearance was assessed ended earlier this year. has been an ongoing investigation into the possible 's handling of classified information. earlier this year the state department apparently wrapped up its investigation into this envoy and his handling of classified materials and it's not clear exactly what led his clearance to be suspended and there is no indication at this point that there is any criminal investigation here, but again possibility of classified document seems to be the theme of the past 18 months. >> yes it does. what do you see here? >> of course but if you do something inadvertent -- they are concerned about something. he mishandled in a way that may be intentional and it's a good thing. don't want prosecutors to have to be the first since of learning about something gone awry. it's good that the state department and its investigators vigor that something was going on. >> okay, jennifer and paula
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sources tell cnn that special counsel investigators are now focusing on the plot to put forward slates of fake electors in seven states that donald trump lost in 2020. we are learning that former trump campaign official is cooperating with officials in that probe and according to the new york times prosecutors have already asked rudy giuliani about the fake electors scheme. let's bring in former republican , arizona house speaker rusty bowers who was pressured by
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rudy giuliani and trump 2/10 -- to overturn the ruling in the state. >> now you were pressured by rudy giuliani and trump and now that this is coming to a head in terms of investigators having spoken to rudy giuliani can you remind us of what they asked you to do? >> first they asked me for a special committee and i said what? and the job was to listen to all the claims of fraud and et cetera and to have doubt and with that doubt they could use this idea that dust manpower for legislatures to throw out the biden electors and put in trump electors. that's what they were asking me to do. >> what do you think rudy giuliani will share with investigators about this?
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>> i understand some of the things he said so i wouldn't know. it would be an interesting conversation. >> so would we all. what has he shared about your conversation? >> well i just met with him and trump and got the email just before testifying that i had served and the election was reagan he really one and all this and obviously that didn't happen and i said so and i have heard julianne he had made similar statements but he's more careful because he talked to a lot more people. in our state. a lot of people at the same time in meetings with me. it will be interesting and i just hope he tells the truth. that would be the best thing. >> we have also learned that former 2020 campaign official mike wallin is quaffing with the special counsel. did you ever interact with him?
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>> no i never interacted with roman. i interacted with allison and giuliani in meetings. >> i don't have to tell you that this investigation has gone on for more than two years. what has all this done to your life and career and watching it come to something of a head now. >> well all of this effectively ended my political career which isn't a bad thing. i get to do a little of what i like to do and do it with my family and pursue other things and i'm very busy in the waterfield but it was hurtful and harmful to my family and my wife and our children and i just hope that it will end. i would like justice done but i'm not on ag hod i would just like to see justice done
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>> what would that look like? >> that would look like the truth and people say yes, we did that. it would be wonderful if they said i apologize. we blew it. but i don't think that will happen. but i would like to have justice for everybody. there's all kinds of things happening in the country and people are confused. and upset and i would like to see some calm and a lessening of contention. i don't know how that happens? maybe you could start with me in my home and we will push it from there. >> we hope that for you. rusty bowers thank you for your candor. we appreciate talking to you. >> thank you very much. >> okay a parkland school resource officer found not guilty today after you stay outside during the mass shooting inside marjorie stone and douglas high school. next i will eke with the mother
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scott peterson, the former school resource officer at marjory stoneman douglas school in florida was acquitted today. you may remember that peterson was caught on surveillance video moving away rather than running towards the school during the mass shooting. he was found not guilty of seven counts of felony child neglect and three counts of culpable negligence and one count of perjury. peterson and his attorney had an emotional reaction as the verdict was read. >> state of florida plaintiff versus scott peterson defendant. the verdict, count on.
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we the jury find as follows the defendant in this case is not guilty. so say we all this 29th day of june, 2023 and fort lauderdale, florida. verdict, count two. we find the defendant not guilty. so say we all this 29th day of june 2023 at fort lauderdale, broward county florida. >> i want to bring in cnn intelligence allen this john muller and the mother of scott biegel a geography teacher who was killed protecting his students in the shooting. linda, i always appreciate seeing you even though it's during often hard days and so what is your reaction to the emotional reaction that scott peterson had in the courtroom? >> i guess scott peterson believes that doing nothing is synonymous with doing all wrong. he may have not have been
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legally responsible and not found legally responsible, but there's no doubt is morally responsible. there's just no doubt about it. and it's hard to have a reaction. you become numb after a while. you want -- you know he's guilty. i mean i, not you i know he's guilty. he stood there for 40 minutes doing nothing and had he done something anything the murderer would have never made it to the third floor. he would have never made it to the third floor. all he had to do was divert him fourth 32nd and i speak for myself if he had i diverted him for 10 seconds i son would've been able to close the door. scott did -- scott did -- my scott did what scott
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he saved 31 student from the shooter. that is what scott peterson should've done. >> your son got between the shooter and his students, and as you know, that morning, right after it happened i talked to some of his students who credit your son was saving their lives. that was real what he did was real, john let me just play you what scott peterson says, why he says it was not his fault. listen to this. >> we've got our life back after four and a half years. because of mark and being able to put the truth out about what happened. it is, it has been an emotional rollercoaster for so long. we >> will you ever forget that this was a massacre on february 14th, the only person to blame was that monster. it was not any law enforcement, everybody did the best they
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could. we did the best we could with the information we had, and god knows we wish we had more. >> what about that, that it was the shooter's fault? >> well, it definitely was the shooter's fault. sometimes in these things we lose sight of who the ultimate bad guy is. the question about scot peterson responsibility is didi hold up to his oath as a police officer? it's ironic that we are talking about this because last night we were here on this show showing the officer in allen, texas, literally running into the gunfire to stop the killing. we saw that same thing in nashville, in another school. we saw that same thing in louisville in a bank where the senior officer and junior officer, the younger of which was terribly wounded with a gunshot to the head as the senior officer then walked back into that building and shot him. so when you look at this case, when you look at uvalde, you have to ask what went wrong
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there. what scot peterson did at trial is,'s lawyers were able to present different portions of the radio take, present the idea that -- and divert the idea of being guilty of cowardice or forsaking his oath to being guilty of confusion and in a high tension situation. what's the jury is looking for is what can they prove, but is there are reasonable doubt five out, not just reasonable doubt about the evidence but reasonable doubt about what was in his mind. >> so, linda, it has been years and still these trials are going on and i know that every single one of them at tears a piece of all the victims families hearts out. is it getting easier each day or each year, or is it just as raw as that day that we were all together when it first happened? >> this pulled the scab off
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again. it does not get easier, some days are easier than others. but this just ripped the scabs right off. i was not in the courtroom, but it was certainly on my computer at work day in and day out, listening to the trial and hearing the medical examiner again talking about, i actually learned something more from the medical examiner about what the bullets did when they entered my son's body and so on and so forth that, i did not even get during the actual trial when the medical examiner was talking. the wound does not heal, and this is wrong. it is just wrong, just like you said it is wrong. it takes one juror, that's all. i'm not defaulting the justice system, the legal system. sometimes it is not just, it's a legal system but sometimes not just. >> understood, that's horrible. it's horrible that not only do
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you have to relive it but you cannot even brace yourself for knowing that you are about to hear something horrible that you have never heard before. i didn't know that. >> listening to scot peterson after the verdict, when he came out to do his interview and i believe his words were, i got my life back. can you give me my son's life back? what more can i say? >> linda, thank you very much for being here, we appreciate talking to. john, thank you for giving us the law enforcement perspective. we've got much more live coverage ahead of today's major news about the supreme court, we will be right back.
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the supreme court ruling 6 to 3 today and affirmative action in college admissions. this is a decision that is being described as a generational shift that will alter the way colleges and universities have operated for decades. cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider has more on today's landmark ruling. >> the supreme court stirring up protests with its decision, cutting affirmative action, saying colleges and universities can no longer rely on race in the admissions process. but, first effective students are still allowed to talk about how the race has shaped their experiences in their application. the 63 opinion, written by chief justice john roberts, will now prohibit students from checking a box indicating that race, specifically saying that with a pract h
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