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decision that could profoundly change called emissions, and more broadly reshape by four millions in this country. also, what we are learning about the arrest in the washington neighborhood where the obamas live. with a heavily armed man with materials to make a molotov cocktail, who was also wanted in connection and january 6th. plus, what we're learning but a new cooperating witness in the january six probe of the former president, and why he could be in a position to now say, a lot. first, the supreme court's history making decision today, dismantling a pillar of affirmative action. specifically, college admissions. in, and the court ruled by a 6 to 3 margin, that race conscious politics at harvard in the university of north carolina violate the third 14th amendment. in his majority opinion, the chief justice wright set the programs, unemployable employ race in a negative manner, and involve racial serotonin, lack meaningful and points. those admission programs cannot be reconciled with the guarantees of the equal protection clause.

justice gorsuch and kavanaugh, and thomas, wrote separate concurrence. is just a sort of or wrote a blistering dissent. and justice ketanji brown jackson, who recused herself from the harvard case because of ties to the school, wrote this in dissent on north carolina. with, let them eat cake oblivious today, the majority pulls the rip cord, and announces color blindness for all by legal fiat. but deeming race irrelevant in law, does not make it so in life. president biden, meantime, offered this. >> we cannot let this decision be the last word. we cannot let this decision be the last word. while the court can render a decision, it cannot change what america stands for. >> he also said, this is not a normal court. but later restated, that saying, this court has quote, done more to unravel basic rights and basic decisions than any court in recent history. that said, the ruling leaves to back doors of sorts. one, it does not apply to military academies. and to, admissions offices can consider race as mentioned in application essays. something though, that justice

sonia sotomayor in her dissent called, a false promise to save face, her words. no one, she said, is fools. cnn's -- was in the room where this opinion was read, and where tensions between some of the justices appeared quite high. and joan joins us now. joan, what was it like to be in the room, and what have you noticed there? >> good evening john. you know, everything you just laid out was not unexpected, given how conservative this court has gone. and given the priority of chief justice john roberts. but yet, in the room, in those 50 minutes of high drama, you could really feel history being made. because of how they all laid it out. and john, you know, that for the past four years, the justices have not taken the bench to announce decisions. so just seeing them, and hearing them today, with their oral dissents from the bench, including, it's quite staggering. first, chief justice john

roberts says directly, that these policies have to be rolled back, exactly for the reason you just mentioned earlier, john. that the equal protection guarantee does not allow colleges and universities to classify students by race. chief justice john roberts use that word, pernicious. he said that the time had come to end them. and he brushed aside past supreme court rulings, saying that the time had come to let them dissolve. then, justice clarence thomas, who started his statement by saying, i rarely do this, i rarely speak allowed my separate opinion here. he, he started off right away, complaining about the fate of asian american students who could be excluded based on these practices, that have tended over history to favor blacks and hispanic students. and, it's so interesting, since clarence thomas of course is black. he's only the second african american who's ever sat on the supreme court. but he has always felt, that the constitution is quote, color blind, and that the equal protection clause does not allow any kind of benefit, as well as harm, from these programs. and finally, probably the most dramatic reading came from justice sonia sotomayor. the first hispanic on the court,

who said this decision, is profoundly disturbing. it's going to roll back so much progress in america. and her bottom line message, john, was race still matters, and the court was turning a blind eye to. that >> were they looking at each other? could you feel the tension, that was so evident in the back and forth in the writing? >> that's so interesting. because i'm watching all of them. i had a front row seat, to see what they're doing. and, justice ketanji brown jackson, the very first african american woman on the court, who really lost in this dispute, is looking out at spectators. tense, stonefaced, but not looking at her colleagues. trying apparently to betray any kind of emotion. she did, not just his son elijah mueller incorporate some of her thoughts into her dissent from the bench. but justice jackson said nothing, looked straight ahead. now some of the other justices watched the chief, and justice thomas as they read, looking over.

but, you could have heard a pin drop in that room, john, cheering as i said, the nearly hour of reading. >> -- a witness to history, once again, thank you for sharing those moments with. us >> with us now, cnn's laura coats and van jones. and with me here, kenji -- he is the chief justice earl warned professor of constitutional law at nyu law school. justice warren wrote the unanimous opinion in brown versus board of education. then i just want to start with you, obviously, an historic day. what's your reaction to the >> i was born in 1968, the year

they kill dr. king, the year they killed bobby kennedy. -- apparently, i'm the first person in my family that was born with all my rights, the first person in my family -- trying to get the kids together on the campus is enough, it's too much, the supreme court seems like it's living on a different planet from the communities i work in. these kids are doing all they can to try to figure out a way to get ahead and door after door gets closed on them. the supreme court seems to be acting more like a super legislature that is shutting the door now on women's rights, the rights of people with color, probably tomorrow on lesbian and gay rights. something is really wrong here. if you care about this country, if you care about democracy, the supreme court is supposed

to be playing a role that respects precedent, they have relationships with what is happening, and that is not happening here. if you are an asian parent tonight, you might breathe a little bit of a sigh of relief. we have to acknowledge that some asian parents have felt their kids had to be three or four times as good. i understand their pain. but the pit asian kids against black and brown kids when so many kids are -- princeton where i taught, have the white kids there are from legacy. they are there because they're granddaddy with their. my granddad he could not be there. my granddaddy could not be there. to pit black and brown kids against asian kids as. wrong if you want to knock down

the doors of unfairness, start with the more than half of the white kids who were there -- because their families were in the past. our families could not have gotten there in the past and maybe not the future as well. >> van, when chief justice roberts writes effectively that race at harvard and usc was being used as a negative, he says, and as a stereotype, what's your reaction to that? >> first of all, as a -- lever to harvard to screw it up for the rest of us. just because that program wasn't perfectly designed, they used that program doubler deliberately, they picked it to knock down every other program in the country, forever. other countries were -- other policies and other campuses were using other approaches. this was not just the wheels of justice. this was a deliberate strategy by a group of people who picked the perfect play, picked the perfect program to knock down everything for everyone.

that is what is going on here. >> laura, a liberal georgetown professor, we had him on earlier today with you, he spent decades studying this issue. he says if colleges and universities factor in things like where you grew up -- your family as well, class, socioeconomic factors, they may end up with as much or more racial diversity than this is dim that's been in place. do you buy that? a. and b, if there is as effective a way to diversify couldn't be utilized, should be utilized? >>, moves around the notion that race actually has a role in so many of our socioeconomic factors about geographical location, about opportunities and so, because race has been so interwoven in all the things he outlined, it would hold true that considering each of those factors would have an impact on diversification with race as one component. it's important to keep in mind here for a lot of things today, unpacking in parsing through what this opinion does, let's begin with a bear basics here.

affirmative action does not begin with the premise that one is not qualified. race makes them qualified, it's the premise of people who have otherwise qualified in all the varieties that are subjectively considered by the admissions policy and process, and then race is part of a holistic part of the conversation. similarly to whether you are a cellist, whether you are an athlete, a legacy, a veteran, and what you would bring holistically to the place that many of the most conservative justices have called in marketplace of ideas, hands all the reason all of our sketches about the first amendment and we want students to learn and not be -- keep in mind that thought, that factor. now where we are today. now they are saying that race cannot be used, but there's a bit of a caveat here. the caveat is perhaps the most confusing for admissions officers across the country. that is, you cannot consider race as a part of a factor or a part of the holistic discussion

about a student. but if a student should choose to discuss their identity, their lived experience, their actual race and perhaps in admissions as a, and then they are able to consider that. and how does this quagmire work? wooden admissions officer have to say, hold on a second, they talked about race or their personal experience, am i now forbidden because of what the supreme court had to say? that's apparently why the administration has spoken out about having some type of standards to use as a guide for different educators and admissions officers. but it does really open a kind of pandora's box. particularly with a footnote about the military, when we know that there is a correlation between the officers ranks and that which who goes to a university or college setting. there are a whole lot of issues here that are going to be front and center, which will likely lead to further litigation. but mostly this notion of the dynamic, the hypocrisy to some, and the just overarching uncertainty of how this could be enforced, implemented, and followed. >> percenter -- professor yoshida, let me ask -- let me read the citation that laura was reading from the chief justice, nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from

considering applicants discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise. in other words, the student must be treated based on his or her experiences as an individual, not on the basis of race. so that is how race can play into the admissions process. and you have any sense of how that would work and what now colleges and universities will deal with this issue? >>. . , hugely momentous decision, but that quote you just read i think suggests how applicants could still get their race on the table and how they are considered. this goes all the way back to the old argument when the council for the sme faith challenging the program was asked, what if somebody wrote on their essay that they overcame an experience of

racial diversity and the council said that would be totally fine, that would go to the individual's character rather than supple membership in the group. chief justice roberts in his opinion gave that. that creates a big avenue. when you think about whatever university is not going to, do they are all going to ask a question about, have you had any kind of diversity in your like you would like to bring before the committee? that will be done with a wink and a nod and savvy applicants will, right i had this experience overcoming racial adversity. universities will be able to take that into account. >> is this the last time we are going to see the issue of affirmative action before the court? >> it is going to be endless, john. this is just the very beginning of it.

even the kalon burst up you mentioned earlier, i gave you some good news from a perspective of the university. the bad news is a lot of people are saying you can pivot to socioeconomic status or -- by the chief justice also said you are not allowed to do through the backdoor what you can do through the front door. he made both of those statements. he created that loophole we were just discussing. but he also said if you were to adopt the first gen program or a top 10% texas like program, for the purposes of boosting racial diversity, that could be deemed a pretext on the part of the university. it could be challenged in court on that ground. there is already a case in the fourth circuit that is working on. this whether or not the court will pick that up next term, they may want to stay away from this for a. while these cases are -- >> watch this face. professor, thank you so much for being with us. laura and ben, thank you both as well. next, we do have breaking news. what we've been learning since the arrest in the washington a red where the obamas lived. the heavily armed man who also allegedly had the makings of a molotov cocktail. also someone talking to jack smith's team, someone who was close to him, close to january 6th. later, new reporting on documents suggesting one of russia's top generals was a vip member of the mercenary group who tried to march on moscow. we asked him about it, but he has not been seen since. in my ozempic® tri-zone, i lowered my a1c, cv risk,

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♪ i'm gonna love you forever ♪ to have and to hold from this day forward. ♪ you don't... ♪ c'mon, bear. ♪ you don't have to worry... ♪ ♪ be by your side.. ♪ ♪ i'll be there.. ♪ ♪ with my arms wrapped around... ♪ >> all right. the breaking news tonight brings a chill. where that a heavily armed man also with materials to make a molotov cocktail and wanted in connection with january 6th was arrested at a washington neighborhood best known today as where former president obama and his family live. cnn's john miller shares the byline on this one. he's been working his horses, literally, until three seconds ago on the phone while i was talking here. john, what are you learning right now? >> so we are learning that the individual, taylor toronto, is somebody who was on the radar, first for the january 6th case, then livestreaming at various locations in washington. according to the u.s. capitol

police, these live streams included numerous threats to members of congress and other government officials. they put out a beyond the look out flyer for d. c. metro police -- the secret service uniform division, secret service uniform division while on patrol in the neighborhood where the obamas live now, spotted the individual identified him, stopped, him he was not far from the van, which apparently he has also been living out of since he's been in washington, it appears. they looked in the van, they call their bombs got people, the washington metro emoji came. what they found was the materials to make molotov cocktails, numerous empty bottles, rags, the fuel, weapons, firearms. so he is taken into custody for investigation. based on threats to members of congress, that was from the capitol police. the case now goes to the joint terrorism task force to find out what the molotov cocktails were for. why is he in a neighborhood filled with embassies, dignitaries, and the former president of the united states? did any of these threats he made online cross the line from first amendment protected

speech into threatening government officials over interstate commerce? >> obviously, the neighborhood does stand out of where he was there. he was taken into custody based on the threats to members of congress? >> this is where the concern emerged for the u.s. capitol police, which is we have got a guy in washington making threatening statements to various elected officials. we need to locate this individual and deal with the threatening language but also investigate what is behind it. when they do that and find a vehicle with weapons and the precursors to put together incendiary devices, that is of concern. >> but they don't know why he was there just yet? >> right. and here is the key. there were no papers or manifestos that mentioned former president obama or anything that contained his address or threats to him directly. this is because secret service

is on patrol that area and they spotted him and there is a proximity to the residents. >> thank you. we will let you get back on the phone right now and find out more. thank you so much, john miller. all right, also a major development as well in the larger january 6th case. special counsel jack smith has a new cooperator. this one, a former senior trump campaign official. cnn's kaitlan collins, who's got work to do later tonight, joins us now with the breaking news. what have you learned? >> my colleagues have learned that michael, roman not a household name, but he was a campaign official on the trump 2020 campaign, is now cooperating with prosecutors from jack smith's team, not the team investigating the documents investigation, which of course we've seen playing out in miami, this is the one into january 6th, and the efforts by trump and allies to overturn the election results. why it matters that mike roman

is now cooperating is that he may not have to appear before the grand jury in a formal way. he did get a subpoena earlier this year, they did seize his phone a few months ago. two notable factors there, obviously. he could speak to them in a more informal setting. it's notable because he is someone who is involved with the fake electors scheme. we know that is what jack smith's team has been zeroing in in recent weeks, inquiries they've had with certain witnesses with people they brought before the grand jury. that's been something they've been talking about. this campaign it is someone who was part of the coordination effort with advisers for the campaign, attorneys for the campaign, in the seven states trump lost when they were trying to develop this alternate set of electors. it remains to be seen what his cooperation could, mean what he could offer to jack smith's team. it's notable, as we've seen, we've been talking about the documents case, but there's been quite an uptick in

activity when it comes to the january 6th case, raising the question of whether or not we could see indictments soon. >> right. a cooperating witness in the january 6th case seems perhaps in the area of fake electors. what happened when mike roman was the jerry sixth committee wanted to talk to him, yes? >> he was someone who plugged the fifth for a lot of. it he did make some comments to them. they asked about rudy giuliani again. rudy giuliani, they asked a lot about these interviews and the other attorneys you saw on tv at the time. he is someone who said he would speak about how he did not talk to rudy giuliani before the 2020 election, when he was asked about rudy giuliani after the 2020 election he used his fifth amendment rights. >> that's interesting. you have sort of a selective pleading the fifth uncertain thing, one you do, when you don't. all right, stick around. we want your take on some other big angles here. the first being a significant

development, as you just touched on a moment ago, the documents case. according to a source familiar with the matter, it involves a current senior campaign official, susie wildes, with the former president allegedly showed her and just how frequently she has been talking to the feds. cnn's paulo reid joins us now with the latest on that. paula, susan wilds, first of all, explain how important she is in this and what she saw. >> let's go back to the indictment. one of the most striking details in this indictment was this allegation that the former president had shown, a representative from his political action committee, a classified map, shocking for many reasons. one is that he would show someone without a clearance a classified document, but also that this was someone close to him in his inner circle and it raised questions about whether this person could've turned on him, given this information to investigators. a source tells cnn, and caitlin worked on this story along with our colleague's kristen holmes and sarah murray, this representative is susie wildes. she is one of his closest aides. she's effectively running his presidential campaign. his third run for the white

house. according to our reporting, it's unclear if she is the one that revealed this information to investigators. we are told the trump camp was blindsided by this news and as of now there are no plans for her to step back from her role in the campaign. >> is it possible that she could be asked to testify in a trial? >> it is certainly possible. we know she was interviewed multiple times by special counsel investigators. we know during those interviews she was asked if she was ever shown this map or other documents related to, for example, general mark milley. what we don't know is how she answer those questions. it is unclear if they learned about this incident from her or some other way. either other evidence or another witness. certainly possible she could testify in a trial, but unclear exactly what her story would be. >> all right. you also have new reporting on the mar-a-lago grand jury, it is still active. what more can you tell us about that? >> that's right. it's live. our colleague reports and that

they are still working down in florida, inquiring after witnesses and investigating. it's not unheard of for a grand jury to continue its work even after an initial set of charges has been brought. we know from our teams reporting that there were a lot of loose ends, things we knew investigators were asking about, but that didn't show up in the night. for example, questions about possible gaps in surveillance footage. also outstanding questions about the classified documents when they were in bedminster, new jersey. at this point, it is unclear if this grand jury will bring any additional charges, either against other people against the former president or a superseding indictment. they are still at it. >> paula reid, thank you very much. back now, kaitlan collins joining cnn senior legal analyst elie honig. first of all, a lot of new information at once. can you comment, elie, on kaitlan's reporting here? there is someone out working as a cooperating witness, which is a term i know you know, in the

january 6th case. what does that tell you? is that indicative of how serious they are? >> it is. a couple things jump out to me about the reporting. first of all, there is a hard way to cooperate and an easy way. the hard way to get forced into the gradually. this is the easy way. this is what we call a proffer agreement. you agreed to meet with prosecutors and fbi agents in a conference room. you have to tell them the truth, the only thing you can be prosecuted for is if you commit perjury. the other thing that jumped out to me is this focus on the fake electors scheme. when we talk about an investigation for january 6th, that is kind of daunting, right? you are talking about a very broad code of conduct. some could get in first amendment issues. was the president engaged in political rhetoric? the fake electors scheme is the cleanest shot the investigators would have. the allegation would be fraud by committing these people were the electors.

i think it move the ball forward on those counts. >> moving forward to the susie wildes issue. i want viewers to understand who she is and how important she is politically in this campaign. >> he might be important because she has pat somerall's daughter. >> there is that as well. past summer, all the famous football player and commentator. >> she is someone who is a huge political figure in florida. she was helping trump in his past victories there in the state. she was someone who is pretty close to governor desantis. we had quite a falling out. she is now working for trump and his campaign. she's effectively running it. her title is senior advisor. but she's very close. the reason this makes it interesting is not only is she the representative who is noted in the filing as the political action committee representative that trump show this classified map of the military site to, but she works with him on a day-to-day basis. >> that is my question, which

is, elie, in theory she would be one of the people helping trump politically message the fact that he's under federal indictment. yet, she could be a witness in a federal trial. >> it's awkward in every sense of that fray. friends sometime have to testify against friends, right? there is a concern that if somebody takes the stand they've got it out for you. really, the best way from a prosecution standpoint, this person is emily with the defendant. this person has no allegiance towards us, no incentive to try to falsely incriminate the person who's on trial. if anything, it makes that person, if they tell the truth, and even more powerful witness. >> this would be person on top of the list of people you cannot talk to about the case. >> yeah. there is the judges order that says you cannot talk to people about the case. i am sure the argument will be, i'm not talking to her about the case, i'm talking to her about politics. really difficult to police that. >> how did the trump team take this? >> i think it is a big question of the fact -- i don't think a lot of people understood she was the person who was identified as the person he showed the map too.

i think there are questions of who it could be. there weren't a ton of people they thought were eligible candidates. i think people are surprised that is her. there's not a ton of visibility into what was known and what was not known. when we talk about this recording we've all heard now, very few people even knew about that. so it's not clear. there is a small circle of top lakota visors and attorneys who are really kept in the loop on the day-to-day stuff. most other people are. to at least point, you know, pretty much everybody on that 84 person list or whatever witnesses that was submitted to the trump team are people who work all around him when he's either in new jersey or in mar-a-lago. these are people in everyday facets of that form. >> the grand jury i still hearing from witnesses, elie. what does that tell you? what complications might cause for the special counsel to bring additional charges? >> the obvious top line is the investigation continuing. i want to avenue arts, it is good prosecutorial practice that once you've indicted a case you cannot keep going back to that grand jury to flesh out the charges you've already

brought against the people you already charged. you have a lot to gradually for that purpose. so they are continuing to use the grand jury, again, if they are following good practice and they have been so far, that tells me that they are looking at either additional people or additional charges. if they do bring what we call a superseding indictment, basically an indictment two point oh. if they do at people or churches, we don't know, but if they do, one of the practical consequences is they will reset the clock here. they are already in a bit of a race to get in ahead of the 2024 election. i'm not sure whether they will be able to do so. we have a tentative potential trial date of december. but if they do bring additional charges, that will set the file back to zero and eliminate any chance of getting this in

before november. >> elie honig, kaitlan collins, our thanks to you. of course, you have 28 minutes to get ready for your next show. thank you for being here now. she will be on cnn primetime top of the hour talking with democratic senator alex media about the supreme court ruling today on affirmative action, which is what we will return to next, with a focus on how that policy affects the students in medias home state of california. it ended the practice for public universities more than 25 years ago.

>> we want to talk more tonight about the major shift in how universities will admit students after the 6 to 3 supreme court ending

affirmative action and college admissions. earlier, we mentioned how carroll california ended the practice for its public schools more than 25 years ago. it was the first day to do so. -- has more on what that experience could mean for the rest of the nation. >> harvard, yale, columbia, just the rejection letters that ended his ivy league dream. >> i'm a straight a student, four point oh gpa, four point 68 waited gpa. >> did you get into any ivy league schools? >> i did not. >> that was so when we met him two years ago. this is where we find him today. soon to be a junior at ucla. >> i think eliminating race in consideration would definitely be a lot different. >> and help you? >> probably, yes, in some sense it would help me. >> so says he was accepted to every university of california school, the state banned a parent of action in 1996. what has happened here in california could signal the future for u.s. colleges without affirmative action. ucla professor eddie cole says the impact was immediate. >> as soon as that went into effect, you saw places like berkeley and ucla, a black student enrollment among

incoming freshman dropped dramatically. >> by more than half at those school. across the uc system, black and latino enrollment fell sharply over the next year without affirmative action. in the decades to follow, the use eastham silt took a progressive approach to improve those numbers to mid 90s level. that black student enrollment still lags at uc berkeley and ucla only recently returned to mid 90s levels. >> this decision is made in 1996, fast forward to 2023, nearly three decades later to say the numbers have finally improved with the exception of berkeley. imagine what this is going to look like on a national level. you have to think about the legacy, the impact across racial groups and why there are disparities decade after decade despite so many policies. >> it could easily walk into a classroom and feel like i'm someone who does not belong here. that is not the truth, right? >> neil mcclinton graduated from ucla two years ago and now works in black student outreach. without such outreach and funding, mcclinton sees this. do you feel a lot of doors were closed for students -- laxatives in this country? >> i am worried that they will. it's a point to reach out and something that is attainable for you. >> was louisa will soon be applying for middle school school.

he still believes affirmative action does not help him, but does see the impact beyond his own academic life. >> i will say this, right? affirmative action does harm -- it without it it will harm all the minorities in the united states. that's where i stand right now. >> california voters rejected a ballot proposition in 2020 that would have repealed the law that prevents the public universities from considering race in admissions. what was the discussion then? why did it fail? >> really fascinating. you think of california such a progressive state. but if you talk to the people behind this proposal in 2020, they will say voters maybe didn't quite understand the question, that the money spent in voter outreach and education may not have been enough. the ballot, frankly, has a lot of these propositions. it is pages long. that could've been a factor. but in talking to professor cole, the one you saw in our story here at ucla, he says all this amounts to a missed opportunity. california, in his opinion, is simply not as progressive as the rest of the country. yes, there are san francisco in

los angeles, but this is a big, diverse state. one other thing, john, there is a rising asian population in this state, one that increasingly votes and is very divided on the issue of affirmative act. john? >> thank you so much for that reporting. coming, up cnn has exclusively obtained documents about a russian general who has not been seen publicly since saturday's failed revolt. they suggest he was far closer to the mercenary wagner group than previously known. our matthew chance in moscow tonight and will join us with the details.

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>> cnn has exclusively obtained documents that suggests a top russian general, sergey surovikin, who has not been seen in public since last saturday short-lived or vault was a secret vip member of the mercenary wagner group that led the rebellion. cnn's matthew chance joins us now from moscow for more on the man nicknamed general armageddon through his ruthless tactics. matthew, these documents, what do they tell us about general surovikin? >> they are pretty interesting. because they suggest or tell us and show according to the dossier, which is a russian investigative organization, that obtained these documents and show them exclusively to us, they show that there is a registration document for general surovikin, that is science in a wagner sort of membership number, i suppose. that membership number than appears in various other lists of people who belong to the wagner mercenary organization. it's a vip member. it does not indicate to us what vip status actually means, whether he's on the payroll, any other kind of financial benefit.

there is not evidence for that. but it does strongly imply that there is a very, very close relationship between this general and the mercenary organization that carried out that attempted military rebellion at the weekend. of course, it is not just general surovikin. the dossier center says there are about 30 other senior military and intelligence officials from russia who are also on that list and designated as vip members of wagner. it's interesting because it was obviously the military that he's accused of allowing wagner to get so far without resisting it in that military rebellion last weekend. >> what do we know about general surovikin's whereabouts? >> well, i mean, he's not been around. one possibility that has been suggested by some media outlets, although we can't confirm it, that he's been detained for questioning. certainly, it's been over five days now since general surovikin appeared in public.

that was when he was issuing an appeal, like a hostage video, frankly, he was sitting there looking very pressured, appealing to wagner not to continue their military uprising. since then, he has not been seen. there been reports, the new york times in particular suggesting that general surovikin knew in advance about wagner's plans to stage this military uprising. and all, that along with these latest revelations about his close contacts and membership, even, of wagner has fueled suspicion that he could in some way be implicated. but again, the kremlin are not commenting on where he is and it's not clear at this point when he will reemerge. >> matthew, as always, thank you so much for your reporting. perspective now from cnn's national security analyst steve, hall of former cia chief of russia operations. steve, a document will a whole lot of names, including general surovikin on it as some kind of vip member of wagner, if you are the kremlin security forces right now, what are you doing with this list? >> first, i would love to know who is blurred out on that list. that would be fabulous to. no obviously surovikin is on the list, the fsb, the other

security will be focusing on him. stepping back for a second, i will give you some context here. we will not do a whole russian history thing, but go back to stalin's time where he did the great terror. when he thought there was stuff going on around him, he killed everybody. literally almost everybody. in essence, those plotting against him, it didn't matter. fast forward to 20 years, ago 2003, the guy by the name of -- he was a very successful oligarch, not unlike prigozhin, who overstepped his bounds, became political, spent ten years in jail and was exiled. putin knows how to do this. he has the tools to do it. he puts nerve agents in peoples underwear. he shows people in parks overseas. he has -- i think he enjoys doing it. he knows how to do this. the big question is, why did he not do it here? i think the real reason is ukraine. he is so -- in such trouble with ukraine that he had all the security services that you are referring to primarily at this speed which has significance wartime responsibilities. everything is focused on how badly it's going in ukraine. so focused, as a matter of fact, that apparently he failed to do what both stalin and even he himself, 20 years ago, knows very well how to do. that is, you know, the

ukrainians should be very pleased about this. everybody surrounding putin should be worried. >> are you saying he couldn't do a perch? again, it was the phrase -- he couldn't do a purge now if he wanted to? >> he absolutely good. as a matter of fact, i certainly expect we will see something like that. and that might be why we cannot find mr. surovikin at this point, and prigozhin still has not appeared after he allegedly went to belarus. behind the scenes, i'm sure there's a lot of stuff going on, sort of what was going on during stolen's time when people were trying to figure out, that my next? if so, what am i going to do? >> is that why you don't think we've ever seen surovikin or prigozhin, to leave that sense of mystery, danger even? >> yeah. i think there's a lot of that double, triple think where one guy thinks he might be next, but it turns out that was simply a ruse to cause him to talk about the guy sitting next to him. it is just amazing the level of byzantine politics that go on behind the scenes. and that's the way it has always been in russia. soviet times, there's our's time, and now in putting times as well. >> dangerous time. steve hall, thank you so much for helping us understand them. >> sure. >> how much of the titan submersible has been recovered from the sea floor? where the investigation stands now as they try to determine

why it imploded, killing five deep sea explorer's, as they descended to the titanic wreckage. we have a live report from canada next. behind the scenes, i'm sure there's a lot of stuff going on, sort of what was going on during stolen's time when people were trying to figure out, that my next? if so, what am i going to do? >> is that why you don't think we've ever seen surovikin or prigozhin, to leave that sense of mystery, danger even? >> yeah. i think there's a lot of that double, triple think where one guy thinks he might be next,

but it turns out that was simply a ruse to cause him to talk about the guy sitting next to him. it is just amazing the level of byzantine politics that go on behind the scenes. and that's the way it has always been in russia. soviet times, there's our's time, and now in putting times as well. >> dangerous time. steve hall, thank you so much for helping us understand them. >> sure. >> how much of the titan submersible has been recovered from the sea floor? where the investigation stands now as they try to determine why it imploded, killing five deep sea explorer's, as they descended to the titanic wreckage. we have a live report from canada next. (sigh) yes, it is. and that's just a bit of psychology julian learned from noom weight. sign up now at noom.com.

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>> the company that helped retrieve the titan submersible from the ocean floor will hold a news conference tomorrow. the team has been working over the last several days to bring the sub parts to shower. they also found, quote,

presumed human remains of the five men killed when the u.s. coast guard says the titans suffered a catastrophic implosion on its way to the titanic wreck. cnn's paula newton is with us from canada tonight. paula, what more can you tell us about where exactly these human remains were found? >> you know, again, we have to say, given five lives were lost, this is difficult for the family i'm sure but also a measure of comfort knowing that those -- presumed human remains. they were found within the cabin inside that wreckage site. experts will tell you that this is consistent with the catastrophic implosion, as opposed to an explosion. john, this is good for the investigation in the sense that it will more materially give information about what happens in those last moments before the five lost their lives and what exactly the timeline would've been. i add to that that here in ottawa the transportation safety board released a statement saying it had the data recorder from the polar prince. you remember the polar prince's the moderna ship to the titan. it will add a valuable information as to what went wrong, when. and why this submersible never rose to the surface, as it had fairly good safety records in terms of surfacing when

communication went down. john? >> at this point, how much of the south has been recovered? >> an extraordinary amount. you can see the pictures, people in st. john's they saw it from their windows and they saw this recovery team from pelagic research bring up very large pieces. you can see that they are very large. in fact, the height of what we are looking at, the actual cabin height, you can see another piece that had cables and courts. this, again, we'll add to the investigation and to the accuracy of the investigation. both here in canada and in the united states, coast guard are saying their principal concern is for safety. after that, on both sides of the border, there could still be a criminal investigation. given all those pieces of the wreckage you see there, this is crucial in terms of determining exactly what went wrong and if it was that carbon fiber of the submersible titan that was made of that was the problem or something else entirely. >> paula newton, thank you so much. up next, a verdict in the trial of the former school resource officer who failed to confront the parkland mass shooter, and the defendant's emotional reaction. >> a florida jury has found a former school resource officer not guilty on all counts for failing to protect students

when a gunman opened fire at marjory stoneman douglas high school in 2018. scott peterson wept in court as the verdict was read. he faced 11 counts, including felony child neglect and culpable negligence. you will remember, peterson stayed outside during the massacre. prosecutors accused him of ignoring his training and doing nothing in what remains the country's deadliest high school shooting ever. this is what he told reporters after the verdict. >> i got my life back. we've got our life after five and a half years. it's been an emotional rollercoaster for so long. but don't anybody ever forget this was a massacre on february 14th. the only person to blame was that monster. >> a father of one of the victims is outraged by peterson 's comments after the verdict. >> i think that the right thing to do, the manly thing to do, the honest thing to do is to walk out of that room quiet. be quiet. the attorney and peterson, keep your mouth shut, get in your car, and go to your perfect life. but don't cry in front of national tv. >> a wrenching day in a meaningful one to so many people. the news continues, cnn prime time with kaitlan collins starts right now.

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