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we've got our life after five and a half years. it's been an emotional rollercoaster for so long. but don't anybody ever forget this was a massacre on february 14th. the only person to blame was that monster. >> a father of one of the victims is outraged by peterson 's comments after the verdict. >> i think that the right thing to do, the manly thing to do, the honest thing to do is to walk out of that room quiet. be quiet. the attorney and peterson, keep your mouth shut, get in your car, and go to your perfect life. but don't cry in front of national tv. >> a wrenching day in a meaningful one to so many people. the news continues, cnn prime time with kaitlan collins starts right now.

good evening. i'm kaitlan collins. tonight, it just keeps going. we have now learned, the federal grand jury in miami is still investigating, three weeks after donald trump was indicted. more on that, in a moment with maggie haberman. but first tonight, to the ruling that will change the landscape of the education world, and also maybe up and diversity policies across this country. the fallout have has been fierce, from the supreme court 's decision to gut affirmative action from higher education. with president biden condemning, and saying quote, this is not a normal supreme court. as he blasted the conservative super majority, saying he

believes they may be doing too much harm to the country. the dissent from the liberals on the court were scorching. justice ketanji brown jackson writing, quote, we'll let them eight quake abruptly since today, -- and announces color blindness for all. but deeming race irrelevant in, law does not make it so in life. conservatives are cheering this decision. chief justice john roberts, who wrote the majority opinion, said harvard and u. n. c., the university of north carolina, the two schools at the center of this, that those programs violated the constitution. writing quote, the student must be treated based on his or her experiences as an individual, not on the basis of race. >> joining us now on more of what all this could mean going

forward, is a member of the senate judiciary committee, democratic senator alex padilla of california. senator, thank you for joining us tonight. do you see this really gets a step backwards? >> kaitlan, thanks for having me. on such an important day. and i don't know if it's a step backwards. this ruling really does take us back decades. yet again, another example of extremist majority, of the supreme court, undoing decades, decades of precedent. and in this case, undoing affirmative action, which maybe they just don't understand what affirmative action is, or what affirmative action isn't. affirmative action is not quotas, it is simply allowing university systems to consider race, among all the other factors and criteria in the admissions process. we've been through it here in california, a measure of the ballot in 1996, that was approved by the voters, forced upon the university of california system, and other state university systems. and they have not fully recovered, after nearly 3 decades of trying to make up for that loss of an important tool in increasing diversity on college campuses. >> well, you mentioned what people want. and you mention of course what your home state of california has done.

looking at the polling on, this there was a recent cbs poll. it says that 70% of americans agree, that colleges should not be allowed to consider race in admissions. 30% say it should be allowed. but that appears to be, quite a gap between our leaders in your party certainly, compared to the country as a whole. how do you explain that? >> yeah, well you always have to take polls with a grain of salt. because again, not everybody knows what affirmative action is, and what affirmative action isn't. so we're not talking about mandates or quotas in this case. it's a matter of just considering race, and the experiences that come with that, as one of many factors in the decision. so, they meditate in that poll to say, is this going to be used to allow people in and approve diversity on a college campus. in my opinion, that's not just a good, thing it's a great thing. others may have interpreted that question, in the form of excluding people on the campus.

so, who knows what drove those numbers. but this is what i can tell, you i referenced that they've had this in place in california for decades. in 1996, two years after the infamous proposition one 87, one of the first major anti-immigrant initiatives that this country has seen, soon after proposition 209, the -- affirmative action measure, came anti -- . california has come a long way since then, not just the demographics of the population, but the policy making that has led to california being the fourth largest economy in the world. so, i do think opinions have changed, as people are enlightened. most private sector leaders can tell, you most academic leaders can tell you, and certainly our federal government knows, that we are better as a country. we are better as a democracy, we are better as an economy, when we are more inclusive, not less. but those leaders of the future, in the public sector and the private sector and in academia

are educated on college campuses. and we, when we undo diversity, we really undermine the quality of education, the educational experience we are providing. >> well, your home state is such an interesting, kind of experiment for this. because, you did reference the actions they took in 1996. but, when democrats in the state, when democratic leaders tried to reinstate it in 2020, prop 16, which is what the measure was known as, it failed, and it failed badly. so it's not just the poll numbers, it's also how people are voting on this. >> right, and again, i think it speaks to the difficulty in communicating what's at stake here, what affirmative action is, what affirmative action isn't. but i will tell you this kaitlan, go back to those 1994, 1996 measures. that's what inspired me, to lead a mechanical engineering career behind. you know, i am a product of affirmative action. would i have gotten into the

massachusetts institute of technology with or without those considerations? i don't know, i won't reveal my sat scores here on this show today. but, i do know that with a promising engineering career in front of me, looking at the risk, the danger, the cruelty of a lot of policies that were popular at the time. it doesn't mean they were good policies, or the right policies, but they were popular at the time. what motivated me to get involved in government and politics, and steer california, help steer california into a better, more responsible, more inclusive direction. and have our work cut out to do for that for the rest of the nation. >> yeah, you don't reveal your s. a. t. scores, i will reveal not mine. i think we have a deal there. as the way that the white house is responding to this, you know, president biden was asked today by my colleague if he sees this as a rogue court. he says he doesn't see it as a normal court. but when he was asked about expanding the court, something that your party has certainly suggested, members of your party, i should say, have

suggested. he said, that would be a mistake. what do you say? >> look, i don't disagree that there is an absolute crisis of confidence, when it comes to this supreme court. you know, if you take the decisions over the last decade, from a democracy standpoint. this is a former secretary of state of california talking now. this supreme court has made it easier for wealthy people to influence elections, and harder for people to exercise their right to vote. and surprise surprise, it tends to be historically disenfranchised communities. and here we are now, top of a higher education. with today's rulings, the supreme court has made it harder for young students of color, young diverse students from a life experience standpoint, to envision and access higher education. and, i don't want to assume it's going to happen tomorrow with the student debt case before, than the student loan case before them.

but, we could be very well on the verge, for those who are able to get into colleges and universities, for it to be much less affordable for them to obtain their four-year degrees. so, there is a crisis of confidence, a lack of public confidence in the supreme court right now, absolutely. >> yeah, one major ruling after the. next we will see what they do decide, on the presidents student loan plan. senator alex padilla, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you caitlin. >> what we do know, there are so many unknowns of this. but what we do know is this decision does marked a foundational shift for race in america. my next to desks and come at this decision from very different perspectives. also we've seen play on the cross-country today. cornell -- brooks, is the former president and ceo of the naacp. -- is the director and legal affairs of the beacon center of tennessee. thank you both for being here. chief justice roberts said today, in this, he kind of had

these two options. basically said, emissions committees can commit consider race, as long as it's limited to the specific context of a personal essay. for example. is it clear to you how that nuance is going to work, when it's actually put into practice? >> well, i think it's clear that the supreme court has told universities, that they must consider the each individual -- not as a member of an arbitrary racial group. and i think, this decision today is great for equality before the law, and it's great for individual-ism. individuals should be judged based on their individual aspirations, their individual achievements, and their individual abilities. and they should be subject to a process that distributes burdens and benefits based on race. so overall, i think this decision was great for the rule of law, it was great for equality before law, and it was good for individual-ism. >> cornell, what do you think? >> let's be clear. the supreme court described the world that we may aspire to, it is not the world we live in. so, when students write about themselves, they write about

themselves in the context of a 2023 america. so in other words, the george floyd generation, which has literally seen, on television, discrimination and violence and america's racial legacy. where they to write about this, where they to write about this in the context of themselves, that might be considered constitutionally suspect. the point being here is, that yes, individuals apply to colleges. but they apply to college at, from groups, from communities. which are segregated, which are subject to racial discrimination. that cannot be ignored, and that is nowhere near, and nowhere in the history or the context of a 14th amendment. this decision is unfounded, constitutionally speaking. >> he says constitutionally unfounded. we do know, there is a lot of room for groups to test this, to see what colleges and universities can do. what are you, what do you

predict could happen in the aftermath of this ruling? >> well, i think one open question after this, a question that the supreme court i think hinted at in the last paragraph of the majority opinion, is this notion of facially neutral, race based proxies -- racial proxies that we see used in specialized schools, in the k-12 context. we've seen that and thomas jefferson in virginia. the new york specialized schools, -- of montgomery county. personally, i've worked on some of those cases, and for my perspective, covert racial discrimination is just as long, and just as illegal as overt racial discrimination. and i think that's an issue that you will see before the supreme court in the coming years. >> cornell william brooks, i think the other question is, beyond colleges and universities, they now have to go and revisit their admission practices. but how do you believe this sets the stage for challenges

to diversity efforts that we've seen in businesses, and all of these other aspects of american life? >> absolutely. the ripple effects of this are of tidal wave proportions. so in other words, by calling into question, by holding constitutionally suspect, as unconstitutional, the diversity rationale, using diversity. what you are going to see is perhaps diversity equity and inclusion offices closing. companies, are rolling back their commitments to diversity, which has consequences and implications for a great many people, not merely african americans. not merely latinos, but a variety of other ethnic groups and women. among the most prominent beneficiaries of affirmative action have been white women. when we think about, say, any of the cable networks, major newspapers, where they were when affirmative action started, we didn't see the diversity on television and in print that we

see today. the consequences here, could be devastating, likely devastating. california hasn't yet to recover from its repudiation of affirmative action. and the point being here is, think about this. where you have literally people being underserved, because they don't have access to black doctors. which has an impact on the life expectancy, paternal expectancy, infant mortality where. people literally would go out of the court system when -- they don't see lawyers of a variety of ethnicities. the point being here is that racial proxies are not enough. we live in a country that is color conscious, color, and segregated. and to pretend otherwise is to literally, to cement, to solidify america's legacy of racial supremacy. we cannot duck the question, and so we cannot ignore the victims. >> it seems to me like, the point that we were seeing

justice ketanji brown jackson make, talking about there is a law, and there is life, and what that looks like. thanks for the perspectives from both, you cornell william brooks -- appreciate you both coming on tonight. >> thank you. >> coming up, we now know the identity of one of the people from donald trump's indictment, that says he showed them a classified document, a military map. she has been speaking with federal investigators, plus the former president may have already been indicted. but the special counsel's office, and that ground jury in miami, hasn't stopped investigating the case. we will tell you what that means next. own for lessons that matter. known for lessons that matter. known for being a free spirit. no one wants to be known for cancer, but a treatment can be. keytruda is known to treat cancer, fda-approved for 16 types of cancer. one of those cancers is advanced nonsquamous, non-small cell lung cancer, where keytruda is approved to be used with certain chemotherapies as your first treatment

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she is also the person that trump allegedly showed a classified map of a military site at his new jersey golf club in the fall of 2021. that's according to jack smith 's indictment. in the meantime, we have also learned that the special counsel's team has secured the cooperation of the former trump 2020 campaign official -- , in the other ongoing probe related to trump and his allies efforts to overturn the 2020 election. maggie haberman is a senior political correspondent for the new york times, and she joins me now. maggie, there is a lot to go through. there's been like five developments every single day, it feels like. but, what does it say to you, as you were the first one to report this earlier today, that the miami grand jury is still investigating. what does that signify to you? >> it's interesting, kaitlan. it could be a couple of things. as we understand, there have been a bunch of subpoenas that have gone out. and that indicates that it is still very active. it could be that they are looking to charge additional people it could be that they are looking to do what's called a super seeding indictment on trump and walt nada with additional charges. it could be that they are just looking to bolster evidence. but it means that this case is

still very much ongoing, which again just adds another fascinating and kind of shocking dimension to a political candidacy, that this investigation, which has been really the most potent against trump, is still in stages of discovering information. >> and the other complicating factor here is, we now know it's susie wiles. anyone who covers trump, knows her. people at home may not recognize her name. but she is the individual from trump's political action committee, that he showed that classified map to. that he referenced it in the indictment, saying during the meeting, trump commented that an ongoing military operation in the country b was not going well. he showed the representative a classified map of country b, and told them that he should not be showing the map to them. and not to get too close. the pack representative did not have a security clearance, or any to classified information about the military operation.

but the fact that trump is still with susie wiles, nearly on a daily basis, just adds another layer to the potential witnesses there are around him on a daily basis. >> yeah, that's right kaitlan. and we've seen this in a number of instances. other people who are key witnesses, and you guys have reported extensively on this in terms of that audio of the other instance, the indictment focuses on, which is this recording of trump talking to a bunch of people in a room where he waives papers, that the indictment says was something he called a plan of attack, that was a classified document that he had from his white house days. one of the people in that meeting was margot martin, who travels with him frequently. other people who are connected to his world in various ways, are also part of this indictment, walt nada himself, is codefendant, it is on the plane repeatedly. it does speak to the unprecedented nature -- the level of his prevalence on the political scene, and his dominance of this race on the republican side, for the presidential nomination. and the fact that it is

overlapping with all of these legal matters. it is complicated, he is fundraising off of these indictments. he is fundraising off of these investigations, it is a core part of his messaging. so yes, this is going to, i suspect, keep coming up as a question. and, just as an additional point caitlin. as you know the judge has told him that there has been additional, -- a bunch of witnesses that the government has produced that are connected to the case, who trump is not supposed to discuss the case with. that adds another wrinkle of complication for him. >> and susie wiles, is kind of connected to all of these different facets. here i mean, she knows the attorneys, the trump legal team. she's around all that. i thought it was interesting that when cnn had confirmed that it was her, that we got a statement from the spokesman. they pointed out that she has no plans to step away. what do you read into that? >> i think that they are very much treating this as something

as a political effort, that's how they are describing this by jack smith. and they are not going to give in to what they would see as, bending to what the special counsel is looking for. i think they are going to not give into critics. i think they're going to just go about their day, as if, and their campaign, as if things are not playing out in a certain way. i think it's going to be a question as to whether that is sustainable in all cases, and we are going to find out. but, i think that right now, this is very in keeping, caitlin as you know as well as anyone, with the donald trump playbook, which is never give an inch. >> yeah, and you reported last week that michael roman, who is a former trump 2020 campaign official, was in talks to potentially corroborate in the other investigation, the january 6th one that's looking into fake electors and fund raising. we are now told that he has this agreement, that he is cooperating. and of course, this is notable, because he had direct knowledge of this fake electors scheme, that they were putting together. >> that's right.

his cooperation is significant, we don't know what he is going to say, we don't know the scope of the corroboration, we don't know -- but he is, as you say a key figure in the january six investigation, as relates, as far as we know anyway, i don't know if he connects with other aspects of this investigation as well. but he is connected, specifically to this so-called fake electors scheme. and he was central to trying to find out ways to stymie the congressional certification of joe biden's electoral college victory. and so, he is in a position to offer prosecutors information. and usually, these kinds of agreements, these -- agreements take place when someone is trying to be as cooperative as possible, and prosecutors are looking to give them a chance to say what they want, as they make decisions about charges. so we will see where this goes. >> yeah, we will see what information he offers them. maggie haberman, thank you. for more perspective on trump's legal troubles, i want to bring in former federal prosecutor, and cnn's legal analyst elie williams. there is like four different developments that you and -- we

went through. but just to start on that most recent one, the mic roman and the proper agreement, as it's now -- explain how that works, and the significance? i mean, it is a big deal, because he is the first person we know of that is cooperating when it comes to the fake electors scheme? >> there is a reason why they call proper agreements the queen for a day agreement. where you come in, and are given at least of the promise, or informal promise of a benefit to the prosecutors. if somebody agrees to be truthful and straightforward, prosecutors might take something off of their sentence if they plead guilty. or, and, can also -- prosecutors can commit to not using things that this person says against them to bring charges against them. that's all contingent upon being honest. if prosecutors find that he lied, they can number one, throw the books at him. but also charge him with an additional crime, of lying to investigators. >> how does it benefit michael roman though, if he is going in, and this is somebody who we reported got a subpoena, and had his phone seized in recent months. if he is going in, and he can do an informal sit down with prosecutors, as opposed to going before the grand jury?

>> they might have charges that they could bring against him, caitlin. they might, we don't know, this is speculation. but when someone might be facing criminal charges, it might be to their interest to sit down with prosecutors and see what they can do to either, make them go away, for lack of a better way of putting that. >> yeah, well we'll wait to see what happens there. but the fact, switching to the documents investigation, because there are these two tracks that jack smith is tracking. the fact that the grand jury, which indicted trump three weeks ago, you guys remember two weeks ago. the fact that there still investigating, in bringing people in and speaking to witnesses. what does that signify? >> i think it's two things. they are either looking at additional charges. and look, there are 5200 crimes in the federal criminal code, there could be anything that they are additional looking into. their or, the crimes that they have already charge. they could be bolstering the evidence that they had, getting additional witnesses to help

support the case that -- . and with that mean that there could be additional charges for other people, could that mean there are charges as maggie was referencing, there could be a superseding indictment for trump in walter nada? >> all the, above so you could charge more people crimes, you could. now, i don't cause alarm and think that more people are automatically charged of crimes. here but you could charge more people of crimes. you could add crimes to the indictment that you already brought. >> but would that delay the trial? >> i don't think so, because look the, trials in a take a long time to get to, anyway and the count of the national security issues involved. but, no. i don't really think it would delay the trial far beyond how it already was. >> all right, we wait to see what they are due, when they are still investigating. elie williams, thank you for being here tonight. he did not rush in, as a gunman, into marjory stoneman douglas high school in florida. today, a jury delivered their verdict to the schools resource officer. we will tell you what it was, next.

earlier today, a jury in florida acquitted the former school resource officer, who stayed outside and failed to confront the gunman who entered marjory stoneman douglas high school, and killed 17 people. scott peterson wept today, as he found out that he was not guilty, on 11 counts. seven of which were felony child neglect. -- of the students that day, sat in silence, and shook their heads in the back of the courtroom. after he left, peterson said he felt like he got his life back. >> don't everybody ever forget, this was a massacre on february 14th. the only person to blame, was that monster, who was there wasn't any law enforcement. -- coral springs, everybody did the best they could. we did the best we could with that information that we had, and god knows we wish we had more. >> joining us now tonight is

democratic congressman jared moskowitz, an alumni of marjory stoneman douglas high school in reference to that district i should note. congressman, thank you for joining. as you know, scott peterson was accused for taking cover for more than 45 minutes as that school shooting happened inside the high school. of course, a reminder that the shooter was actually sentenced to life in prison without parole last year. what was your reaction, when you heard today's not guilty verdict? >> well well, it's shameful! it's no justice for the parkland families. first, the shooter, who is solely responsible, got life in prison instead of the death penalty. and now, officer peterson, who not only did not go into the building for 45 minutes, and hid in the stairwell outside. he prohibited other officers that arrived on the scene from also going into the building.

and so, what is the message this now sends to parents around the country? that a school resource officer, that the kids trusted, that he took that job knowing that his job was to protect those students. and he decided that his potential retirement, he was very close to retirement. his potential retirement was more important than their lives. i'm glad he got his life back that's what he said in that video. but the 17 families, who lost loved ones. the 15 kids that are in cemeteries, they don't get their life back. yeah, you >> you saw those families, in the courtroom today. some of the families of the victims. and they were just kind of silent, as he was sobbing, sobbing a lot as this verdict was read. i know you've talked to some of those families throughout this trial, since this is been going on. what were they thinking on? this up well, they wanted to see some responsibility taken here.

because at the end of the day, he did not do his duty. and based on the information we have. i'm not going to share some of the private information of some of the families. but there were some of the kids that were shot, who did not die from their gun wounds, and they died by bleeding out, by not getting medical care. and in those instances, they blamed the officer for not letting other police officers and medical care get into the building soon enough. so to say that ultimately, he had no impact on that scene, we will never know that. but, that's why people depend on their school resource officers, these students, who walk the halls with them every single solitary day, depend on them. i mean, the good guy with the gun is the good guy with the gun, he failed. he didn't act, he did tell the students, not once. >> yeah, and parents see someone like that as a source of comfort when they are worried about something like this.

this was an unusual case. a conviction essentially would have pave the way for law enforcement, to be held accountable for their responses to mass shootings. as you know, the police in uvalde right now are being investigated for their response to that school shooting at robb elementary. do you think there is a lane to hold law enforcement, accountable for something like this? >> well look, this is an egregious case, right. this is a mass shooting at the high school. he arrives on the scene, and he never goes in to the building. never, for 45 minutes he stood in the stairwell. and he gave instruction two other officers, who arrived. okay, he didn't have the courage to go in, he stopped other officers who arrived on the scene from going in and helping those students. and so, yeah look, i do think they bear some responsibility here. and you think in these egregious cases, no one forced him to be a police officer. no one forced him to be an sro. he knew what his job was. it's not like school shootings hadn't happened before. you know, any sro knows that that's a possibility at their school. and so look, if the laws have to be changed at the state

level, then i would support the state legislature looking into. that >> congressman jared moskowitz, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thanks caitlin. >> and tonight of course, our thoughts are with the families of those 17 victims of the shooting. we'll be back in a moment.

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>> this is not. >> in case you couldn't hear him there, the president telling my colleague arlette saenz that this is not a normal court. today's ruling provoked intense reaction from both sides of the political aisle. republicans cheering them. saying that they believed it was quote, long overdue. saying that they believe no one should be judged by the color of their skin. democrats say that they fear it is a blow to civil rights. in what will only lead to more racial inequality. joining us now to discuss this is democratic strategist and former communications director to vice president harris, jamal simmons. also with, us republican strategist and former republican national committee communication director doug heye. thank you both for being here. doug, i should note that you are wearing caroline blue time. that's not the only thing. at issue were these programs at harvard and the university of north carolina. both saying that affirmative action helps or aids campus

diversity. you are on the u.n.c. board of visitors under a harvard institute of politics fellow. but the idea that the court has already had such a massive impact on our political landscape, how do you think that this adds to it? >> the honest answer is that i don't know. it is very easy to try to extrapolate large lessons ordinary just get very recent news and have not fully read what the supreme court has decided. these were long opinions. and the sense. so we have to go through this. and that's part of the reality of what the schools are going through. they are going through this to see what are the rules of the road. what are the lanes we are in. part of where we are going to find out where and what is going up and politically, what did the schools do? so if somebody is on the u.n.c. board of visitors, i wanna hear from my school i want to hear from my chancellor. specifically, not the whole statement everybody puts out. trammell and i were talking about this earlier. you put out the two sentence statement and then figure what you will do later. you had months to go through this. what are the schools going to

do? not just u.n.c. and harvard, those are the two immediate ones. this affects schools throughout the country. how are you going to implement this? are you going to be clear and consistent, not just in your messaging but what you are doing. so that voters, and ultimately students who are there or who are trying to enroll and apply no with the rules of the road are. and that is what we do not know yet. >> they are all basically really visiting their admissions process. there were the two car boats, for military academies and personal essays. what did you make of it and you heard that today from the court? >> i was struck by two very particular things, one is the fact that justice thomas, the read his opinion from the bench. first time and i don't, know 30 years? it's amazing that this was the case he chose to make his stand on. talking about the very thing that helped him get into. now he is taking away from other people. and then you see justice sotomayor, who read the dissent for the three justices. she read that dissent from the bench. talking about one thing in particular. the pipeline problem being

created by this. we have an america that has become far more diverse. and we are going to win the global competitive race in the words, we are going to need a bigger boat. after more people into a diversity in leadership of the country. but we are creating a diversity pipeline squeeze. and so, i was on the phone on the way over here with the president about historically black college. they expect to see their enrollment applications grew by 50 to 100%. the next three years. this case says the impact that they expect. especially among students who would've gone with more selective colleges. because here's the problem. the problem is, in america's society we don't have as many places for people to be allowed success. and we are not gonna make it hard for those people. >> can i, say to jamele's point, north carolina again, very politically important state but also 11 hbcus throughout the state. if you can see cannot articulate clearly what they are going to do moving forward, all of the schools, elizabeth city stay on and on are going to see a huge increase in

enrollment. >> california is so interesting on this, we were talking to senator padilla from california earlier. because they have kind of served as this quarter century experiment for this. when they got rid of affirmative action, i believe it was in 1996. and they had that exact effect, where it was this select university that saw the changes the most. but the others actually saw more diversity added because of it. >> just take a look at the academic credentials of the people on the supreme court. and that they choose. so many of them have come from the most selective schools in the united states. so the thing is getting into one of those selective schools is actually the pathway to getting into leadership in american society. and we need more people from diverse backgrounds in that leadership. >> what matters here, there has been a crisis of confidence essentially, the supreme court you've seen the polling. and members of the supreme court. you heard president biden earlier, he was asked about expanding the supreme court. he says he still thinks that is a mistake. are there any changes that come here as a result of that? people look at the supreme court these days? >> with a republican house and

democratic senate, the short answer is no. and the reality is. >> absolutely. it's a rule change this time, they can change next time. and when we set a precedent is a big time when you talk with the supreme court. also true in congress. if you break precedent, everything we've argued about the nuclear option and the filibuster and so forth. this plays there as well. >> they do talk about joe biden being the best president since fdr. fdr tried to pack the court room, it didn't get. so entrepreneur biden saying about the same. >> i'm sure he is. thank you both so much for joining us tonight. >> a pair of mysteries when it comes to the russian president. we are learning more about one of why his top generals could be missing. and that putin may be in avid watcher of spongebob squarepants. this is a sketchy drew today. it is mystifying mining, including those who watch the kremlin closely. dinner! [sfx: phone ping] ♪ what? tween milestones like this... may start at age 9.

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>> crying intrigued tonight over top russian general who is gone missing. documents that were exclusively shared with cnn suggests that general sergei surovikin was actually a secret vip member of the wagner group, which of course as we now know, lead the mutiny against putin over the weekend. but it also turns out that he was not the only one. the russian investigative

dossier which obtain these documents, that were then provided to cnn, found that at least 30 other senior russian military members were also listed as vips in the group. that is certainly an unsettling process respect for the russian leader, who is often crites a spacious, and has been on a rather bizarre, and very clearly choreographed court torn recent. days just today, putin was seen drawing this spongebob like, squarepants like character on a white board. complete with ears, and hair. the crowd behind him, waited in silence to then tepidly applaud, as he signed his work. up bizarre moment there. joining me now, alina -- the president and ceo of the center for european policy analysis. thank you for joining us tonight. i wonder what you make of the way putin has been handling the fallout of this mutiny, doing these strange things, coming out in public in these very

choreographed settings, as we are learning that dozens of top russian officials were secret wagner members. >> well, we are seeing a narrative that the kremlin wants to betray of putin as somebody who is back in control. he is loved and supported by his people. he is a strongman again. he has made very loud accusations again, against yevgeny prigozhin, the leader of wagner, calling him a traitor. but of course bizarrely, prigozhin remains alive in belarus. and the recent arrest of a key russian gel general -- was surovikin, i think signals that the kremlin is looking for a fall guy. here someone to blame for what happened. but unfortunately, i don't think it's working for them. i don't think they're really getting the narrative back at. all it looks a little too contrived. >> you mentioned prigozhin. as, we were on air last friday when this was first happening, friday night here in the u.s.. most russia watchers, i think,

expected there to be serious retribution for him. i mean, there were people who speak out on a lot less, on social media in russia, in our thrown inversion for a lot longer. he obviously has a pretty large target on his back. so what do you make for the fact that he is still alive tonight, hiding out in belarus? >> well, truly there's a lot we still don't know about the events that happened. but the fact that prigozhin is still alive, is really what undermines this narrative that the kremlin is trying to spin of putin as this strong leader. because, prigozhin still being there, supposedly in belarus, really shows that he's actually quite weak. i'm shocked, frankly, and so are most russian experts, that they haven't taken him out, after putin called him a traitor. publicly, multiple times. and i think this is a real sign of a very significant regime fragility, that we don't usually see in the public domain in russia.

>> yeah, it's quite fascinating to watch it all play out, to see where it goes. alina pulley acosta, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> also developing, a suspected january 6th rioter, wanted for the capitol attack, has been arrested near the home of former president obama, with materials to make a molotov cocktail. details ahead.