couple hours. >> when does the next show start? >> cnn will continue right now. ♪ this is about people who cowardly decide to come to a celebration and shoot it up. >> police say it was shortly after midnight that gunshots rang out. we spoke to people here who said they ran for cover. >> we do know more than one person was shooting. >> this is insanity. this cannot be the society that we are expected to live in. ♪ >> we saw the most air passengers not only since covid but we think ever. >> severe weather affecting much of the country. flash flooding in chicago today, leaving several cars under water. >> very early. only to be told that our flight was delayed. >> zero problems whatsoever. i got lucky. donald trump pressured arizona governor doug ducey in a phone call after the 2020 election. >> that was really the effort

throughout that time was to go to the states and try and get them to do investigations to find fraud. >> no, i don't remember any pressure. >> these are the types of rulings that signal a dangerous creep towards authoritarianism and centralization of power in the court. >> this is about empowering people and their rights. >> state of colorado has been silencing and coercing my speech and the court's decision yesterday protects speech w. sending these kinds of things to the courts for the clear purpose of chipping away at the equality and the rights that have so recently been won. people were saying it was tiktok's new app, a mix between instagram and pinterest. >> lemonade is owned by bytedance, the same company behind tiktok. that's raising some eyebrows a i among security experts. >> when you hear about something like this, especially from tiktok, you want to make sure you're some of the first people that are there.

♪ good monday morning, everyone. i'm phil mattingly, here my good pal audie cornish. poppy is off. how are you doing? >> we're doing except, except, severe weather is wreaking havoc on holiday travel again. so this morning, airlines are trying to bounce back from a wave of flight delays and cancellations. this is during one of busiest weekends of the year. just yesterday we were talking 7,500 flights delayed, 500 cancelled. >> and in the chicago area, add the dra t maic weather it to, nearly nine inches of rain drenched some parts of the city and surrounding area. allison chinchar, cnn meteorologist, is tracking it all for us. when you're looking a the map, what can we expect today? >> a lot more showers and thunderstorms and in some cases, the same areas that saw it yesterday. up and down much of the east coast today and secondary wave that's across portions of the northern plains as well as the midwest. now, we have some active showers on going already this morning.

mainly across the northeast. but a few also in portions of the mid atlantic. now, when we go lu the rest of the day, we'll get a second wave, really starting to develop this afternoon into this evening. washington, d.c., new york, down to atlanta and secondary system out to the west including minneapolis. main threats damaging winds, large hail and potential for some tornadoes. that secondary wave, again, you really start to see it fire up this afternoon and into this evening thanks to the heating of the day. then more showers and thunderstorms yet again for the holiday itself tomorrow. so we do still have the potential for some strong to severe thunderstorms. again, some of the same areas today, like new york, d.c. and atlanta, but also becoming more widespread across the central u.s. but the threats themselves remain the same. and another concern still is going to be the heat. several heat advisories in the southeast and some excessive heat warnings out into the west. back to you. >> allison chinchar, thank you so much. let's bring in cnn aviation correspondent pete muntean live in reagan national airport in d.c. the expectations were set in

numbers of people screened by the tsa. did it meet the busy expectations? >> reporter: met the busy expectation, exceeded. the tas anticipated 2.82 million people. instead we saw 2.88 million people. that's not a high of the pandemic era. it is an all-time record. the highest number we have seen since december 1st, 2019, the sunday after thanksgiving. so these are huge numbers. the good news right now is that things are starting off relatively smooth but never say never. the day is still relatively young. i just checked flight aware, so far we have seen about 80 cancellations in the u.s. pails in comparison to what we saw yesterday. in fact, the numbers really ramped up as the day went on. and bad weather hit the east coast. we saw about 600 cancellations in the u.s. yesterday. although, last week was a lot worse. so we are on the track to getting a little bit better.

one caveat here, though, the faa does warn that there could be ground stops today because of thunderstorms later this afternoon in new york, which has been a trouble spot, in philadelphia, in baltimore, in d.c., all the way down to miami. but i want you to listen now to transportation secretary pete buttigieg. he says things are on the path to getting back on track. >> we're watching more severe potential for severe weather. that's what touched off all of these problems about a week ago. but, you look at where we were a year ago, where even on blue sky days with no severe weather, there were really unacceptable levels of kcancellations and delays. we have come a long way. >> reporter: united airlines cancelled more flights than any other airline last week. and in a new memo ceo scott kirby says he is committing to looking again at the airline's crews scheduling system and partnering better with the faa, an agency he initially blamed for a lot of these cancellations

early last week. and he is also saying that the airline will take another hard look at its hub in newark where there may be simply too many flights scheduled and the airline could draw down its schedule there a little bit. another big test on the horizon for airlines. all those people who left on friday that 2.88 million number, now they're going to start coming home. we'll see if airlines can handle it. >> you're not giving me a sense that they can, so what are you expecting over the next two days? >> reporter: you know, we'll see. the tsa says the big number was on friday. you know, it's a long week. and so the way the holiday falls, people trickle back home a little slower. we'll see if people actually extend their holiday because the fourth falls on a tuesday. they may extend into wednesday or thursday or take the entire week. so, the numbers will be high overall. it's not going to have another big peak. we'll probably see high number day after high number day and that will make a big challenge for the tsa and not only them but the airlines as well. >> pete muntean, thank you so

much. all right. well also this morning, we're watching something i've been trying to figure out over the course of the entire last weekend, questions swirling around a recent supreme court decision. the court ruled last week in favor of a christian web designer says she shouldn't be forced to create sites for same sex weddings. now the man cited in the case named steward says he never requested a website and says he's not only straight and married to a woman but he's a web designer himself. now in an interview with cnn he said, quote, i've never asked anybody to design a website for me. so it's all very strange. i certainly didn't contact her and whatever the information in that request is fake. cnn's joan biscoupic joins us live from washington, d.c. joan is the author of "inside the supreme court's drive to the right and its historic consequences" and can also explain every question i have joan ends up answering it when we're together in washington. so my question is, does this actually matter? is it relevant to the case?

>> reporter: good morning, phil and audie. no, i don't think so. i'll tell you why. the supreme court brushed by lots of facts in this case right from the start. the woman who challenged the colorado law did it as what's known as a pre-enforcement challenge. they had never even sited her in any way. what the supreme court said is that she had so essentially show two things, one, is that she wasn't going to produce any kind of message that conflicted with her christian beliefs. and what she said was that she did not believe in same sex marriage. she believes marriage is between one man and one woman. that was one key factor that she laid down. the other factor was just simply that colorado has an interest in this law and would want to carry out its law, enforce the law against people who discriminate against same sex couples. the law itself says that if you operate a public accommodation,

a business open to the public, you cannot discriminate on the bases of several factors, race, sex, and sexual orientation is one of them. so, from the start, there were a lot of questions about the facts of this case, phil. that issue came up during oral arguments. and the colorado officials were from the start saying, look, the facts here are very elusive. we don't know what kind of website she's going to have. and during oral arguments, the justices essentially said, it doesn't matter. as i said, both the state of colorado and the solicitor general of the united states said it is too early to hear this case. so, the justices brushed that back when neil gorsuch read his opinion from the bench on friday, phil, he said we have two things that are part of the stipulations, the basics here, one is she's not going to create a message that conflicts with her religious beliefs. and two, colorado wants to enforce its public accommodations law. earlier episodes about someone

who might have sent a message to her saying that they wanted her to do a website, that wasn't part of the record once it got to the supreme court. and frankly, phil, it doesn't look like the lower court judges from the tenth circuit even relied on that. so, i can understand why many people would be disturbed by this new information, but it's not the kind of information that appears to be able to disturb this supreme court at all. >> joan, can i ask one followup to that which does it mean in the future that there are any vulnerabilities in this area of the law, right? public accommodations law goes back to the civil rights period in terms of conflict. does this ruling mean anything going forward? or these questions we're talking about today mean anything going forward? >> reporter: two separate things aud audie, reverberations for other public accommodations laws, yes. i mean, this is a big deal.

this is justice sotomayor said the first time the supreme court said a public accommodations law will essentially give a path to someone for discriminating in this case on the basis of sexual orientation, but justice sotomayor and others in the dissent said this could open the door to group businesses saying they don't want to serve certain clients based on other protected characteristics such as race and sex. but in terms of just the specific facts that are brought forward by mr. steward here, i don't think that will affect it. as i say, many repercussions down the road, audie. >> joan, thank you so much. >> thank you. now we want to bring in errol louis and max rose and elie honig. welcome back. so, i want to talk a little bit about this kind of right word shift people are talking about with the court overall. right now it seems like

progressives are sort of stuck complaining about it. what's sort of the message for them coming out of this period? >> well, look, the message is that politics matters. votes matter. elections matter. particularly as we're looking at the senate, of course, where supreme court justices are confirmed as well as -- >> to a young progressive voter, we got you the white house and you have the senate, what gives. things are still terrible for me. >> people are pissed off. that usually means people will vote more not less. politics and voting is not a hyperintellectual affair. people are not going to necessarily go out and vote because of this one ruling, but they are going to go out and vote with incredible passion because of the overarching narrative of the supreme court's war on people's rights and our democracy. >> errol, do you think this message resonates? >> it will have to. in fact, it's not so much the message. i think people are going to feel

it viscerally and realize they have to get involved in politics. >> we know that happened with roe v. wade. do you feel like it's going to happen with this collection of other cases? >> it's the same thing. it is the same -- >> the numbers are dramatically different in terms of public perception on the actual cases themselves. >> i don't think that's how people are experiencing the way that this supreme court is acting. i think that when you're looking at the average voter, two days before election day, what they are feeling is that this institution is incredibly dangerous right now and incredibly scary because there are -- there appear to be no rights any longer that are sacrosanct. that's going to drive people. they're going to think about the roe ruling alongside rulings like this and there is no doubt in my mind that it is going to mobilize voters. >> so whether anybody loves or hates what the supreme court has been doing recently, i think one of the big take aways from last week is this is a court that is seizing more power for itself than in any time in recent history. they're doing that a couple

ways. there's a difference between ideological conservatism and judicial conservatism. usually judges and justices try to rule on cases as narrowly as possible and only rule on actual cases. the example we were just talking about with joan, where you have this fact scenario that's now come into question, typically the supreme court would not even take a case like that because of this doctrine called standing. we don't take hypotheticals. we don't issue advisory opinions. we wait until the facts have all played out and then we rule. then the supreme court showed ut in that case they are willing to essentially rule on hypotheticals, forward-looking hypotheticals enabling the court to take more cases. the other thing the supreme court is doing, twice now in the last year in very important ways, the dobbs decision and then the decision that we saw last week on affirmative action, they're overruling long-standing 40, 50-year long-standing precedents. now, the court can overrule precedent. people say when? the real answer is when you have five or more justices. so this court to me is uniquely

powerful. >> but our calls to limit its power are something that voters have an appetite for. >> there's calls to limit its power and sort of dove tails with these really important questions about whether or not there are conflicts of interest on the court. whether or not there's been disclosure. whether or not they can be held accountable when actions that would get you in trouble in any other field, including the federal courts themselves, just seem to go away. i mean, when you have a supreme court justice whose mother is living in a house paid for by a guy who has business before the court or interests that are undeniably going to be affected by rulings by the court and he doesn't disclose it and doesn't want to talk about it and thinks everything is fine and then you find another instance and another instance and flying on a private plane and, you know, the explanations are just clearly inadequate. oh, i barely know the guy. or it was going to be an empty plane seat. if you're friends with a guy, you have to recuse yourself. if you're not friends with the guy, what are you doing on his private plane? these kind of questions.

and because the political class, a lot of members of congress, are raising these issues, i think it does become something that voters are going to at least notice. and that dove tailing with the right ward shift of the court the judicial activism of the court i think sort of makes this something that will be politically salient. it will be up to some political entrepreneur to come and take advantage of it. >> can i ask you, on the kind of the political atmosphere at this moment in time, and particularly when it comes to gay rights, we saw this -- ron desantis super pac put out an ad attacking former president trump for his support for lbgtq rights. i think we got some of it. i want to play a little of it. >> i will do everything in my power to protect our lgbtq citizens. ♪

>> yeah. whatever drugs that guy was on who made that, that's -- >> i salute the editor of that ad. >> to be clear, the campaign did not make that, whatever that was. but they didn't back away from it and some of them retweeted it and defended the retweeting of it. my question, with stuff like this, beyond the media element, for which we are providing them, what's your end game here? who are they targeting? what's the message? this doesn't happen in isolation. they're talking about this why? >> first of all, i don't care that was super pac ad, campaign the responsible for it. this motion there's a division between super pac and modern day politics is totally b.s. this ad is ill lusteetive what ron desantis is trying to do here which is a hate-filled, utterly xenophobic primary campaign that then he thinks he'll shift to the center and everyone is going to forget about that because he is going to try to go to outflank donald

trump from the right. there's no chance that this works. donald trump has locked up about 25%, 30% of the republican primary base and it's those people, this is no we can judge them, i'll judge them all i want, but they're motivated by ads like that. desantis is not going to pull them away saying that he's more trumpy than trump, more hate-filled than trump. it's appalling, but just as appalling as it is, it's also politically incoherent. i do not understand what he's trying to do. >> errol, can i -- i understand that donors aren't the most important thing, but i don't republican donors that are in in anywhere near that place. the republican party had moved pretty sharply away from this -- trump is a good example of that in 2016. in his nomination speech dismissing it. spoke at the convention. >> desantis appears to be trying to do what social conservative candidates have done for the

last several cycles which is get to the evangelical base in iowa and spark something and then try to build on that. >> didn't work for ted cruz. didn't work for -- you know, i mean, on down the line, right? didn't work for pat robertson. it generally doesn't work. but, it did work for george w. bush 20 years ago. so some people think they can sort of catch fire and do it all over again. i don't think that's a sound assumption. but that seems to be what ron desantis is up to. >> all right. stay with us. the hunt is under way for multiple suspects after a mass shooting killed at least two people and wounded dozens more at a block party in baltimore. baltimore mayor will join us live just moments from now with the latest. and a common sweetener in chewing gum, tooth paste and popular drinks like diet coke is coming under new scrutiny for potential links to cancer. we're going to break down what we know about the upcoming announcement from the world health organization. ♪

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♪ detectives, federal partners are still looking for evidence and we'll continue to look for evidence until we find everything that we need to prosecute and arrest these individuals. >> well, this morning a police hunt is under way this morning in baltimore as investigators are searching for any answers in the weekend shooting there that left two people dead and 28 others injured. most of them teenagers. now officials say at least two people opened fire on a holiday block party, just past midnight on sunday. they say there may have been more people involved. right now, there's no known motive and they are asking anyone with information to come forward. we are three days into july. there are four mass shootings this month. for the year, the u.s. stands at a staggering 339 mass shootings. with us now the mayor of baltimore brandon scott. mr. mayor, welcome. thank you for taking the time. i guess i would start with are there any updates on the investigation itself, on the man hunt, where do things stand?

>> still on going. like i said, we will not rest until we find those who cowardly decided to shoot up this block party and carry out acts of violence which we know will be illegal guns. but we no further updates. press update later today with any new things. as of right now, we are still investigating, going through every single lead, every minute, every second of footage, everything we have until we find who decided to disrupt this peaceful event this year. >> mayor scott, you said this year alone baltimore pd confiscated 1,300 illegal weapons. do you have a sense of where guns are coming from, the sort of illegal supply of guns are coming from into the city? >> well, listen, we know historically most we recover every year more guns that come from other states. the other 50 states than in maryland combined. so we know that's how it happens. we know we recovered hundreds of ghost guns this year, something

that we have seen decline this year but we recovered 400 of them last year. these guns come into maryland -- i want to be very clear about this -- because maryland has gun laws that actually have an impact. we have a ghost gun ban, which is why you see those numbers coming down. but these weapons come from virginia. they come from texas. they come from florida. they come from alabama. they come from everywhere in this country. and this is why it's critically important, not just for me as the mayor of baltimore, but every mayor that will tell you the same thing, we have to deal with this issue of guns, flow of illegal guns into the hands of people who should not have them at the national level. ghost guns should be banned at the national level. congress should be taking these things up right now as they said they would after columbine happened way back in 1999. here we are dozens of years later, decades later at this

point and we're still dealing with mass shootings because of the inaction to deal with this issue on a national level. this can no longer be an issue that falls to the feet of local police, local elected officials or state governments. >> mr. mayor, you've made the point both in your press conference yesterday but also in some of your interviews that this is a multifacetted kind of process to some degrees the approach. it's not just about one or four or five things it's community-based. it's wide ranging. i was struck yesterday when you made the point or when you asked people to treat this like it was a mass shooting in a rural community as well. can you elaborate on that? i think i understood the point you were making. it was an interesting one and the framing was interesting what you meant for your community specifically. >> well, my community knows this. we know that when you think about this country and the history of mass shootings, most of the time when we talk about this, we're talking about it being a school in a rural community or a suburban white community. when it happens in baltimore or

chicago or d.c., it doesn't get that same attention. these black american lives, children's lives matter just as anyone else. we're just asking for all of them to be treated the same. any mass shooting, any time any one is murdered with illegal gun this this country should be treated the same because it should not happen in the country that is the leader of the free world. but it does because we as a country still allow the sanctity of american guns to outweigh the sanctity of american's lives, and particularly american's children's lives. that is something that we have to change. no one is saying that people shouldn't be able to have their right to have weapons. but those who shouldn't have them and it shouldn't be easier for a young person to get a gun for me to go to cvs and buy my allergy medication. >> the baltimore police department struggled a lot in the last couple of years, cycled through a couple of chief. do you think you're in position

to have the trust and relationship with the community that you would need to find this suspect or to deal with the teen violence in general? >> well, i would just tell you this, i just disagree with that. we've actually had the same police commissioner who decided to retire since 2018 until just a few weeks ago. and baltimore coming out of the freddie gray unrest is now seen across the country as a department that is dealing with reform and fighting crime the right way. we're consistently hosting folks at the behest of the department of justice and other departments about how to put in those reforms through the work of our now former police commissioner harrison and now to commission whirly. we're a city that has seen a 20% reduction in homicides and even with this mass shooting, seeing reduction in non-fatal shootings. we're going to continue to do that work because for me one is

too many. yes, we're going to continue to build those bridges, rebuild brings, build bridges that were never happening in our community, but this department has changed leaps and bounds through our decent kree and reform efforts and focussing in on what they need to be focussed on, illegal guns, those bringing in and those trafficking and selling them and holding those people accountable and we'll continue to that that. >> thank you so much, mayor brandon scott. >> thank you. now on the west bank, at least seven people are dead and dozens of others are injured after israeli air strikes hit the city of janine. we're live in tel aviv next. just buy any footlong in the app, and get one free. everyone loves free stuff chuck. can we getet peyton a footlong? get it before it's gone. on the subway app. using the finest materials, likeke indulgent memory foam, and ultra-conforming innersprings,

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♪ the death toll in the city of jenin rising to seven this morning after an israeli military operation in the west bank. the palestinian ministry of health blames israeli air strikes for three of those deaths and for the dozens of others injured. the idf says its forces were targeting so-called terrorist infrastructure. cnn's hadas gold joins us live

from tel aviv. hadas, how much have you learned? what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, what's interesting about this raid that we saw overnight is just the sheer scale. over the past year and a half or so, we have regularly reporting on these regular israeli operations in the occupied west bank this after a wave of terror attacks targeting israelis. saying they tried to go in to root out militants. seems as though every single time we talk about the raids, the intensity goes up and up, up to the point that we always kind of refer back to the days of second when tanks were rolling through cities of the occupied west bank. and these are the images we are starting to see once again. overnight, the israeli military saying around 1:00 a.m. is when their drones carried out air strikes in jenin refugee camp. this has long been a hot spot of israeli military rate. now the idf saying they targeted command and control centers as well as improvised rocket

launchers, explosives and the like. they're saying their main focus of this operation that as of an hour ago was still on going is the infrastructure of these militant cells saying they want to remove jenin as a safe haven for militants. they carried out at least ten different air strikes and we know the size of brigade, that means several hundred soldiers were taking place in this operation and for the first time since the early 2000s we saw tanks on the outskirts of jenin. now at least eight palestinians we know who have been confirmed killed. at least two dozen others have been injured. one israeli soldier was injured as well. and we should note as of the last hour, this is still on going. clashes are still currently on going and they carried out another air strike outside of that mosque. so what we need to keep an eye on right now is how long this operation will go on and whether other parts of the west bank and potentially even gaza will get involved. we know that hamas, the militant group that controls gaza called on all of their cells now to

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♪ so this is probably the last thing you want to hear before you crack open a soda at your fourth of july barbecue, but it's important. the world health organization has been looking -- taking a closer look at the potential links between aspartame and cancer. aspartame is one of the most common artificial sweeteners used in drinks and food. it's been fda approved for decades. later this month, w.h.o. agency is set to release its finding on the cars generalic effects of the sweetener and how much is acceptable to have daily. cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta joins us now with more. sanjay, let's start with how prevalent aspartame might be in our food. what type of products is this usually found in? >> well, it's probably safe to say that everybody who is

watching right now has at some point or another had aspartame. as you point out for over 40 years it's been approved. it's been used in all sorts of different products from beverages, which is the primary sort of product, diet beverages, but also things like break it's a cereals and chewing gum and cough drops. it's been out there for a long time. it's about 200 times sweeter than typical table sugar. so you can use small amounts and makes it very easy for these manufacturers to use that to sweeten their products. again, they've been doing it for a long time. one thing that's going to come out i think in these w.h.o. discussions is this old adage which the dose makes the poison. anything in a certain dose could potentially be poisonous or harmful. so how much aspartame is potentially harmful is the real question. the fda, as you might imagine, they've analyzed this for years. where they came down on it says 50 milligrams per kilogram is what they think is potentially problematic. what does that mean? about 22 cans of diet soda, 116

cups of coffee with two sweetener pacts. i'm showing you these numbers because i just want to give you an idea, anything can be problematic in certain doses. but take a look at just how high you would have to get to be problematic, at least to the fda. >> so what's the level of concern? at this point what could this evaluation actually mean for consumers? >> yeah. so, we'll see audie. july 14th is when the w.h.o. is going to issue their formal statement on it. at that point it will be a recommendation. there's no mandates or anything that comes from this, but it's interesting the way the w.h.o. approached this in the past, these types of things in the past, is they've listed them in certain categories. so something that is definitively cars generalic, certain types of radiation definitively carcinogenic. probably carcinogenic is the next thing. possibly carcinogen mic and to give you context, cell phone

usage is possibly carcinogenic at certain levels and then not classifiable. we'll see what they say. that comes out july 14th, again. it could fall into the category of possibly carcinogenic like cell phones. hopefully with some added context, what is the dose? the dose makes the poison. how much are we talking about here. >> so, obviously everybody knows water, unsweetened teas are the best pathways here for beverages. but for those of us who want to enjoy an occasional soda, potentially harmful effect of aspartame more dangerous than the regular soda? are you better off reaching for the diet soda instead of the full sugar soda? >> yeah. look, if it's occasional i think either one is okay. for all the reasons that i just mentioned. but i think it's important to sort of look -- when you have 40 years plus of data on these things, you now have the opportunity to go back and say, how much of a difference did it

make? and to your point, phil, there's no benefit really long term in terms of weight loss from using these noncaloric sweeteners. that's the what the data shows. people reach with sweetened products with sugar later, ice cream at night, whatever it might be. long term not a problem. but sugar in and of itself is problematic. we eat too much sugar. so starting to train our taste budds, for example, to not want as much of the sweet taste, that's probably going to be one of the biggest benefits really in terms of long term benefit. choose nothing sugar-added foods, really watching for all the stealth sugar in products. it's out there. even in products that don't taste sweet. look at those nutrition labels, obviously. sugar in and of itself, we used to get it just a couple times a year when fruit fell from the trees. and now people eat dozens of pounds of it every year. sometimes just unknowingly. >> yeah.

dr. sanjay gupta, you know, i thought he was going to be delivering bad news about what i could and couldn't drink. per usual, it's nuanced contextualized and i feel better now. >> don't drink so much soda pretty much. in montana, five tiktok social media innuancers were suing over the state's new ban on the app, turns out tuk tok has been quietly funding those legal challenges. and cnn vanessa yurkevich looks at lemon8 as influencers try to stay ahead of potential regulation. >> when you hear about something like this, especially if it's from tiktok, you want to make sure you're some of the first people there. - custom ink helps us motivate our students with custom gear. we love how custom ink takes care of everything we need, so we can focus on the kids. - [narrator] custom ink hahundreds of products

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♪ mississippi and georgia join the growing list of states that have banned tiktok on any government issued devices. the bans went into effect over the weekend and they come as more lawmakers in the u.s. and around the world push to block the chinese-owned app. and as the bans continue to rack up, some experts has launched a new social media app in response. cnn's vanessa yurkevich spoke with some influencers who were getting ahead of the game.

>> someone was like, have you heard of lemonade? >> with more than half a million followers on instagram and tiktok combined, you guys are known as -- >> sister snacking. >> reporter: even they hadn't heard of lemonade. they joined lemonade in april and have less than 40 followers, but say it isn't about follower count for them, just yesterday. >> when you hear about something like this, especially if it's from tiktok, you want to make sure you're some of the first people there. >> reporter: lemonade is owned by bite dance, the same company behind tiktok. that's raising some eyebrows among security experts and lawmakers. but tiktok has 150 million users in the u.s., compared to lemonade, which has only 900,000 active monthly users. and say they're creating a community where people discover and share content related to beauty, fashion, travel, and more in an authentic and diverse environment. >> even when you're talking about a platform like lemon8, which can start with something

that sounds quite benign, there might be less of a national security concern, but four, five years ago when we started raising the alarm about tiktok, we encountered the same thing. >> reporter: now bills like the restrict act are swirling around congress, to address concerns that foreign countries could access u.s. user data through social media apps. >> two years ago, i became the ceo of tiktok. >> reporter: tiktok ceo testified in march he's seen no evidence the chinese government has accessed any of that data. lemon8 declined to answer questions on where data on its app is stored. the bill's cosponsor, mark warner told cnn, today we're talking about tiktok, but as the growth of lemon8 shows, new apps and tools are popping up constantly. we need a real strategy to address them. no more whack-a-mole. >> i think it's definitely possible that bite dance is seeing some of the writing on the wall with tiktok in the u.s. and is looking for a plan "b."

>> reporter: she said she was hired and paid by an influencer agency to create content for lemon8. >> i was skeptical, i've never heard of it. >> but now she's having fun exploring what lemon8 could be. but it's no rival to tiktok, yet. >> that buzz of lemon8 came from the almost removal of tiktok. a lot more people are talking about it now, but i think it is solely because of that mini scare that we all had. >> reporter: and where consumers are, brands follow. >> i think social media has driven a lot of our organic awareness, so i think it accounts for about 85% of our sales. >> the beauty brand youthphoria found massive success on tiktok and is seeing if it can squeeze some more use out of lemon8. >> i think it's created by a parent company that's very, very successful at creating a social media platform that was really interesting, and i'm watching it kind of pick up steam. it's still to be determined if lemon8 will be that platform for

us. >> and we asked the influencers that we spoke with, what do they have concerns about national security risks or their privacy data. they said that they did not. they feel the good outweighs the bad in terms of tiktok and lemon8, because you have to remember that so many of these influencers make a ton of money off of these apps. and lemon8 is not really huge here in the u.s., yet. it is very big in europe. some of the influencers wonder if alone lemon8 will become popular, but they do say that the power and the strength of bite dance, tiktok's parent company, is what can really help to grow lemen8 in the u.s. people are watching and trying to figure out if this will be the next tiktok. >> great piece, vanessa. i want to bring the panel back in. errol, audi was taking a poll during the break on who has thoughts on this. you vigorously nodded your head. i'm fascinated as to what your actual thoughts are.

>> lemon8 is very different than tiktok for the user experience. tiktok is famously addictive. the average user is on for 80, 90 minutes at a time. lemon8 is a little bit more directed, more curated, quieter in a lot of ways. not a lot of interaction across different content creators. if you're really looking for something and you're used to the facebook experience or the instagram experience, lemon8 will feel familiar and be used in a similar way. so in some ways, they're really quite divergent. i think all of the government concerns about bite dance, about chinese ownership and access to not just information, but the activities of young people in america, those are real concerns that should be taken seriously. >> but vanessa, if lemon8 is based in europe, they have far more stringent laws around data protection. >> started in japan, made its way through europe. i think that every country is looking at this right now.

lemon8 still very new. people are just trying to get ahold of what's happening on tiktok. people are a little behind the curve on that, at least governments feel like they're behind the curve on that, but lemon8 is targeted for an older audience, for women who are about 30 and older. it's not going after the millennial audience. you also have to remember that tiktok became popular at a time when people didn't have a lot to do. the pandemic. lemon8 is basically launching right now in the u.s. people are more addicted to tiktok. it's interesting to see if the transition will happen to lemon8, but i think the concerns are there and people will try to figure out whether they need to put restrictions and laws in place for that. >> and tiktok is showing real legal savvy within our american system. they're anticipating, there have been now movements by states to ban tiktok. and they're bringing lawsuits. one thing they're doing that may raise some eyebrows is they're

funding creators. there's nothing necessarily wrong about that. we see people funding interested lawsuits, but the creators have better first amendment claims than tiktok itself. it's a smart legal strategy and we'll have to follow these cases as they move through the courts. >> all right, max, we're going to talk about tiktok you after the break, but since you and i aren't on it, i figured we can kind of move on. >> neither am i, though. >> but you do great reporting. >> thank you. new reporting that former president trump pressured arizona's then governor to help overturn his 2020 election defeat. what it could mean for the special counsel's investigation. >> plus, why an attack ad posted by ron desantis' campaign is being labeled as homophobic. that's coming up next. stay with us. legs on a turkey! rude. who are you? i'm an invnvestor in a fund that helps advance innovative sports tech like this smart fitness mirror. i'm also mr. legeg day...1989! anyone can become an agent of innovation with invesco qqq, a fund that gives you access to nasdaq-100 innovations.

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