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>> good monday morning, everyone. i'm phil mattingly. audi cornish is with me. a manhunt is under right now for multiple suspects after a mass shooting killed at least two people and injured dozens more at a block party in baltimore. the victims, mostly teenagers, some as young as 13. mike pence responding after a cnn report that said that donald trump made him call the governor of arizona to try to get him to overturn the election results. a web designer says that a gay man tried to get him to make a website for their wedding, he said he never did. he's marstraight and married already, to a woman. good morning, everyone. good morning, audi. >> good morning! >> you're still here. >> i am. >> i appreciate that. at various points in the last two hours, i was like, audi's going to leave if i push this

any further. >> it's nice to see you. >> you as well. >> there's new reaction this morning from former vice president mike pence just one day after cnn learned that then donald trump president pressured then arizona governor doug doocy to help overturn his 2020 defeat. pence said he didn't pressure doocy to find fraud. >> i did check in with not only governor doocy, but other governors in states that were going through the legal process of reviewing their election results, but there was no pressure involved, margaret. i was calling to get an update. i passed along that information to the president and it was no more, no less than that. >> according to the "washington post," doocy told a donor that he was surprised that he hadn't heard from special counsel jack smith's office about the phone calls with trump and pence, at least according to that donor. we do know that smith spoke to

brad raffensperger about this call. >> so, look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find of 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. because we won the state. >> repor >> still surreal every time i listen on it. pressure on state and local officialses is one facet into the investigation. one where it seems prosecutors are getting closer and closer to potential charging decisions. cnn's senior legal analyst eli honig is here. eli, let's start broaden out and drill in. what is the doj focusing on. >> it's easy to forget, jack smith has another job on his hands. he's got to look at january 6th. jack smith is focusing on this effort that really took hold after trump lost the election to try to swing and steal the election results in these seven swing states, including by directly pressuring state officials. we know about the infamous phone

call that we just heard that trump placed to brad raffensperger, asking him to just find 11,780 votes. now, we know that last week, jack smith did speak with brad raffensperger, arguably belatedly. it's been a year since he testified in front of the january 6th committee. and we're also now learning that donald trump pressured the then governor of arizona, doug ducey. now, doug ducey has said that jack smith has actually not contacted him. that could be on the to-do list. and it's very consistent with what doj has been doing. there's also been this focus on what we call the fake electors scheme. what that means is, there was a coordinated effort, all seven of these states, people working for and with trump and his team, put together actual documents that they actually submitted to the national archives that said, we are the rightly selected electors for donald trump. and then people, republicans, trump supporters from those states actually signed those certifications. now, we know that the doj has spoken with several of these

fake electors. we don't know exactly who. they've been given immunity, meaning, you have to testify. we're not going to use your statements against you. tells me doj sees these folks as potential witnesses. >> what else at this point would they be looking into. what else is on the table? >> as that effort clearly was not going to succeed, the focus turned instead to last-minute efforts. they established this war room at the willard hotel a couple of blocks away from the white house. rudy giuliani was in that war room. we know doj has spoken to rudy giuliani, query whether he can ever be a credible witness. i sure as heck would never rely on him, but they've spoken with him. we also know that doj has spoken with mark meadows. now. he didn't physically go to the war room, but we've seen public testimony that he called over to the war room on january 5th. and of course, the end result, one of the end results of that war room was, they decided, let's put pressure on mike pence to just throw out the electoral votes when he has to count them on january 6th. of course, pence refused to do that and then donald trump during the actual riot, 2:24

p.m., while the capitol was being stormed, sent this negative tweet about mike pence, saying he didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. mike pence has also spoken to doj. he's testified in the grand jury. so that's another base that they've covered. >> there's a lot of buzz that a potential charging decision could be coming in the very near-term, we don't know when. it's all speculation like always. >> sometimes we say all of this, or january 6th, but let's look at what specific crimes could be in play here. obstruction of a official proceeding. meaning, they tried to block the counting of electoral votes. that charge has been used successfully against many of the people that stormed the capitol. potentially false statements. remember those false elector certificates. they're false, they were actually submitted to the archives. conspiracy to defraud the united states is sort of the broadest legal theory, meaning, they tried to cheat the election. and people have said, could there be incitement charges for what donald trump said at the ellipse, did he incite the riot? that's going to be difficult. yes, he said, we're going to go down to the capitol, you're going to fight like hell, but he said, be peaceful and patriotic.

and to keep in mind what's happening inside doj, jack smith is the special counsel. he's running this investigation. when it comes to january 6th, he's going to recommend, indict or do not indict. either way, it then goes to the attorney general. now, the a.j. has to defer to jack smith, but we've already seen merrick garland is willing to approve a criminal charge of the president. so, yes, it does look like they're working towards charging kegs decisions and these will be the big decisions that have to be made. >> all right, eli, come on back. we'll sit down. >> as they're headed back, we have our politics recorder, shelby telcot and max rose. i want to start with you, max. because it sounds like ducey is all of a sudden being kind of public with this information. why do you think that is? >> well, he's also not being that public, is he? it begs the question, where have you been and haven't you felt any sense of -- >> and talking to donors about it is an interesting choice. >> he's not coming to the press.

he goes, i wonder why the special counsel hasn't contacted me yet. it's a two-way street. you can reach out to justice if you have any knowledge of a crime. you know, there are so many people that have been implicated in this over the years, in the way they have explicitly or implicitly empowered or supported donald trump's effort to utterly destroy the constitution. >> and by that mean you mean all of those phone calls to various states, the fake elector schemes, things like that. >> one other thing, vice president pence admitted already to having called governors during this process. a call from the president -- from the vice president of the united states is not casual. a call from the vice president of the united states where he claims to be checking in on something is not a casual instance. so that in and of itself, i do believe, is him interfering in this process. >> although, i think we have some audio of mike pence talking about this issue.

>> from yesterday. do you want to play his framing of those calls that max is talking about? >> i did check in with not only governor ducey, but other governors and states that were going through the legal process of reviewing their election results, but there was no pressure involved. i was calling to get an update and passed along that information to the president. it was no more, no less than that. >> jack smith is nothing if not thorough. that's what we've learned from the documents case. how much should anyone read into what's going on here? >> i mean, i think it's pretty serious. and i think, as you said, he's a very legitimate prosecutor. he knows what he's doing. he's very thorough. and if ducey hasn't been spoken to yet, i do expect eventually, he will be spoken to. and he will be interviewed, even if, you know, there's no audio tape, so it might be less important in terms of charging, but certainly, i think given how

this investigation is ramping up, he's -- he's going to be interviewed, if i had to guess. >> it's a really good point, because brad raffensperger's testimony isn't all that important, because we have the audio. i mean, the audio is the most important piece of evidence. but with governor d ducey, ther is no audio. that entire piece of testimony will define whatever jack smith knows and whatever perhaps a jury eventually knows. it's also important to note, one of the things here has been delay. ducey said, what took so long? i think if we're going to a portion blame for delay within doj, more of it needs to fall on merrick garland. merrick garland took a year and a half plus before he appointed jack smith, during which time nobody at doj reached out to the top level of power. jack smith has been in power since november, and in the meantime, he indicted mar-a-lago. jack smith is really doing things by the book and moving quite quickly, but this is still a big task ahead.

to be clear, ducey is. does ducey's comments or what has been reported change anything in that regard? >>. we know it was a coordinated effort. it seems to me that merrick garland is very much attracted to the clean-cut, black and white charges. mar-a-lago, right, it's sort of plug and play. here's the fact it matches. if we're going into charges like incitement or trying to steal an election. you'll get into gray areas, free speech areas. if you can show, these documents were signed and submitted to the archives and to the senate, and themp false, that can give prosecutors a cleaner shot. >> well, we still see trump

talking on the campaign trail about the problems. it has not stopped him. what's going on there? >> when trump believes that you do things out in the open, you can't be blamed for them. >> or it's showing you don't have blishs intent. >> sure, you never forgive, never apologize. that's his theory of the case here. what's interesting from the vantage point of the biden campaign, they need to walk a very fine line. it's a force that the judicial process and this law enforcement process will continue, but always bringing the conversation back to economics. i don't think it is any surprise that while all of this continues to go on, biden is talking about bidenomics, owning the economy, largest growth of the working class and plaza that we've seen in recent economic history. you're going to constantly see this push and pull from that campaign, which i think -- >> the fear of being seen as actually being involved in the case in some way. >> but there are some people in

your party who want them to make more of a focus on this. they're saying, and i understand what you're saying, and i think that's very much, when you talk to biden about it or white house advisers are saying, we cannot -- we can't touch this at all. we can't have any implication that there is involvement here. you talk to some democrats, and they're like, dude, the guy just got indicted for having hundreds of classified documents at the highest classification level sitting in his house and there are pictures of it. say something! >> you can do both. i don't think there will be one voter who is not very much aware of all of these charges against donald trump. and the serious national security and moral implications of everything that's going on. on the same hand, it will be absolutely deadly to the biden campaign, the re-election, if people do not think that he puts the economy first and foremost. and i think that's what you're going to see from them, each and every day going forward, and that's absolutely correct. >> you like bidenomics? >> it's the economy, stupid.

>> not the policy. i know you like the policy. >> branding. >> t-shirts? >> once you change the dress code -- >> on your tiktok. >> you create tiktok with your bidenomics shirt. >> thanks, guys. happening right now, a manhunt underway, still underway in baltimore for at least two shooters accused of opening fire on a block fire, killing two people and hurting 28. most of the injured are teenagers, including two 13-year-olds. and you can see in this video, people sprinting away from the gunfire early yesterday morning in surveillance video, just obtained by our affiliate wjz. investigators say they don't know if the shooters were targeting anyone specific or if they were just shooting at random. cnn national security correspondent gloria pazmino is live in baltimore this morning. we talked to the mayor last hour, said the investigation was ongoing. what's the latest based on what you're hearing on the ground? >> well, phil, we know from police that they are looking for more than one shooter. they believe that at least two people may have been involved in

this, but they have not ruled out that perhaps is are in involved. we know your interview with the mayor, really striking comments from him regarding gun violence, but first, let me talk about what happened here on saturday night. several young people caught in the cross fire. this was supposed to be a celebration for this community. brooklyn day. a celebration for the families and the people that lived here. and it turned deadly, police say, shortly after midnight. shots rang out, sending hundreds of people that had gathered here running for cover. i spoke to some of those people here yesterday. they told me that it was absolute chaos and panic. an 18-year-old woman was killed, as well as a 20-year-old man. and 28 people were injured by gunfire. as you mentioned, many of them teenagers, some as young as just 13 years old. now, i want to wear what the mayor had to say, just in the

last hour, because he made a point about talking about gun violence. not just here in baltimore or other big cities across the country, but across the entire nation. >> these black american lives, children's lives matter just as much as anyone else. we're asking for all of them to be treated the same. any mass shooting, anytime anyone is murdered with an illegal gun in this country should be treated the same, because it should not happen in the country that is the leader of the free world, but it does, because we as a country still allow the sanctity of american guns to outweigh the sanctity of americans' lives, and particularly american's children's lives, and that is something that we have to change. >> so as far as the police investigation, fiphil, they are also combing through social media video and surveillance video, hoping to gather more evidence that may lead them to

finding the people that were behind saturday night's violence. but that investigation is ongoing. hopefully, we will learn more details later in the day. phil? >> clara pass mina on the ground in baltimore. keep us posted. also, a cnn exclusive interview with cnn president zelenskyy. we'll hear his view on the mercenary result within russia. plus, the biden administration debating sending cluster bombs to ukraine. what they are and why they're banned in more than a hundred countries. we'll have that, coming up next.

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colleague, erin burnett. his response to the recent revolt among the wagner group and says that putin's power is crumbling. >> translator: yes, we see the reaction after certain wagner steps. we see putin's reaction. it's weak. firstly, we see he doesn't control everything. wagner is moving deep into russia and taking certain regions shows how easy it is to do. putin doesn't control the situation in the regions. he doesn't control the security situation. all of us understand that his whole army is in ukraine. almost entire army is there. that's why it's so easy for the wagner troops to march through russia. who could have stopped him? we understand that putin doesn't control the regional policy and he doesn't control all of those people in the regions. so all of that vertical of power he used to have, just got crumbling down. >> we're going to turn now to retired u.s. army major mark

lions. major lions, can you talk about your reaction to this? >> his message has always been one of unified command. i think he acts as a commander in chief. i think that message is really for his troops. i don't think it's for anybody else. we see russia obviously had a problem with the wagner group, as it's splintering right now, it's not really taking hold in belarus. so that message was the president's message to his troops, as a counteroffensive keeps going. >> major lions. the biden administration has been asked to and is now, i think, taking more active consideration of improving the use or sending over cluster munitions. explain to people what those are, why the ukrainians want them, and why there's some reluctance from the u.s. to send them? >> cluster munitions, dual-purpose improved convention munitions are sub-munitions within artillery rounds. this is an artillery round similar to the exact one i fired when i was a battery commander during zdesert storm. and they provide much better effect with regard to artillery effects. we'll show you a quick video

here. this is an air-delivered cluster-type munition, where as it falls to the ground, you'll see an airburst over the target and fire much of a wider spread, give much more lethality, against anti-personnel and anti-vehicles. it is a type of weapons system that though, unfortunately, has some cons to it. it leaves a battlefield that is dirty. there are things that could happen on the battlefield that soldiers can't necessarily come back over the ground at the same time. but however, for ukraine's purposes, what it will do is, it will improve their counteroffensive, because i will allow them to get into troops, allow them to get vehicles that are dug in in the defenses that russia currently has. >> can we just talk about dirty for a second. dirty means that civilians and soldiers can be injured by the munitions that are left over. >> that's right. these are one of the things that other nato countries have panned them. in 2008, a munitions treaty that the united states is not part

of, but other countries have banned them, because three munitions, are the little kind of things that children and other people pick up on the ground. they don't always go off. that's why they're considered dangerous. however, they provide much more lethality than the regular field artillery weapons that we have. >> i want to ask you about another -- ukraine has long been pushing for long-range missile capability. the uk sent them, i believe, the storm shadow capability, and they've utilized it to some degree. the u.s. have been very wary of sending what are known as att attack-'ems. and part of the reason is how much the u.s. actually has in terms of the weaponry itself. "the wall street journal" reported on friday that they may actually be moving back towards the direction of saying "yes" to that. i'm told that there's some caution on that and that we should maintain it. however, why do the ukrainians want this so badly. why would the u.s. be so reluctant to give them.

>> the 200 miles of range that they give them, long-range attacks that they don't have right now. however, it's a high-demand, low-density weapons system. we've seen the chairman of the joints chief say, we don't have a lot to give away. we don't have a lot of these out in our inventory, because they're just not manufactured. they're fired from the platform that they already have there, and if you look at a map, what it would do is it would allow ukraine to attack into places like sebastopol and then into rostov and it would force the russian command and control and logistics supply lines to go away from the front and have to go back here for their own survivability. giving the ukraine maneuver forces much better chance in order to succeed as they go on their counteroffensive. >> all right, major lyons, we would love for you to come over to the table so we can talk a little bit more. we're here with, obviously, shelby and max rose. the ukrainian president zelenskyy said in a news conference on saturday that he's afraid to lose bipartisan support from the u.s. following,

quote, dangerous messages coming from some republicans. max, i want to start with you. there's been a long shift towards more sort of familial language about russia and long been sort of hostility to spending overseas. so is he right to be concerned? >> he's absolutely right to be concerned, but we've seen this really strange reversal of traditional political positions, normally, the democratic party has been the party that has been more anti-war and less interventionist. >> messaging is back to the sort of, we support democracies, no matter what? >> sure, and we support our allies. it's been a very pro-nato, traditional preservation of the world order message. and the democratic party has been impressive, the degree to which they have remained unified. conversely, the republican side is in absolute disarray over this issue, with a very strong isolationist bent. in fact, driven by desantis and donald trump at this point.

>> i think that's a really good point. when you talk about to biden administration folks in this space, they are less concerned about the house republicans kind of hemming and hawing or shouting about ukrainians and far more concerned about the leading presidential candidates driving more republicans outside of the small group of isolationists and creating major problems, because they are going to need a new funding package within the next couple of months. how does that resonate on the campaign trail? >> i think it's going to be a really big deal within the republican party, partially because there's kind of this war within the party over what america first means. so there's kind of the traditional version of america first, which i've heard argued as america first doesn't mean america only. and then there is the america first viewpoint where it is quite literally america first. and so it's -- i remember reporting, i think it was my second article ever for some of what we launched how back in

october of 2022, which was well before trump actually announced, he was already getting people from both sides of the aisle, trying to convince him, either, "a," to support ukraine aid, or "b," support cutting it off. so clearly, this has been brewing for a really long time. >> major mike lyons, i have one more question, ukraine is in the middle of a brutal counteroffensive. so this war is not going to get any easier as they try to make their way towards the sea. so war we looking at when we're talking about sending more vicious weapons into what is turning into one of the largest land wars in europe in decades. >> yeah, i mean, we still haven't sent really the offensive weapons. the weapons they have are really defensive. i'm surprised the counteroffensive even started, frankly -- they're trying to do a counteroffensive against what has historically been successful. no blitz crkriegblitzkrieg, no >> the russians do have -- the

russians have still tremendous advantage on the ground here. let's be -- >> but not like helicopters, et cetera. it's still been not what it could be. >> no. so until some of these other weapons come, likely the nato-based tanks in the next three months, i think crew survivability is really important for the ukrainians. they have to hold off right now and give themselves a chance to make sure that when some more of those weapons platforms come, that they will use them. >> there's a very big nato summit coming up. in the coming days. that's a very, very, very notable meeting of leaders in lithuania. mike lyons, max rose, good name drop on semafor. i was going to say it no matter what, but way to plug that in. we appreciate it, guys. thank you very much. all right. environmentalists have long pointed to livestock as a major contributor to climate change. now a new farming technique might flip that on its head and make cows part of the solution. >> there is ways to produce meat that is not good for the planet.

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welcome pack. cows and livestock are major contributors to carbon emissions, but now some scientists are saying, not so fast, and arguing cows, in fact, can be part of the solution. >> according to the food and agriculture organization, livestock farming accounts for more than 14% of man-made emissions. researchers, however, say if farmers change the way their cows graze, it could make a drastic difference. cnn's chief climate correspondent, bill we're is h is here. bill. what needs to happen? >> these guys would say, farmers need to fall back in love with mother nature and be closer to her than their fertilizer salesman. this was a style of farming that was common across humanity up until world war ii, but it's about letting nature do the work and taking influence from some very powerful models. in the beginning was the buffalo. tens of millions of them, wandering the land, munching wild grasses, and using poop and

hooves to create rich, fertile soil up to 15-feet deep. >> look at this! >> but since americans replaced buffalo with cows, generations of fertilizers and pesticides, tilling and over-grazing have turned much of that nutrient-rich soil into lifeless dirt. but not on farms where they graze cows just like wild buffalo. >> so adaptive multi-paddic grazing, amp grazing is a way that mimics the way bisons have moved across the great plains. so the animals hit an area really hard and leave it for a long time. >> reporter: peter bik believes if enough beef and dairy operations copy this simple hack, cattle could actually become an ally in the fight against climate change. >> i anticipate we'll get a lot of pushback. because people are not thinking that cows can be a part of the

solution. >> not only are you going against the grain of environmentalists who think meat is evil for lots of reasons, you took money from mcdonald's for this. >> yeah. i asked for money from mcdonald's for this. i wanted to go to big companies, because if they don't change, we don't get there. >> reporter: for his docuseries, "roots so deep you can see the devil down there," bick assembled a team of scientists. >> we're interested in bugs that live in poop. >> reporter: experts in bugs and birds -- >> yes, bob white! >> reporter: cows, soil, and carbon. they spent years comparing five sets of neighboring p ing farmse southeast. on one side, traditional grazers who let cows roam one big field for months at a time and often cut fertilized grass for hay. >> whoo! come on! >> reporter: on the other side, amp grazers who never mow or fertilize. >> you open a gate, they go through, it takes five minutes,

coop will roll up a wire. >> reporter: and with a single line of electrical fence, move their cows from one patch of high grass to the next. >> and that's moving fence. this is how easy it is, at a tim time. >> reporter: while their science is yet to be published in peer review, bick have found amp farms hold 20% more microbes, three times the bird life, and twice as much rain per hour. >> if it's a thousand-acre farm, it's 54 million gallons of water that's now washing your soil away versus soaking into your land. >> wow! look at this grass! >> reporter: but this is also a human experiment, to see whether data and respectful discussion can change hearts and minds. >> this was grazed about 40 days ago and this hadn't opibeen fertilized in 12 years.

>> when we got out of spending money on fertilizer, it was huge. huge. and i didn't think it would ever happen. >> it is such a stress relief. we just don't worry about a lot of it anymore. >> and you don't even fertilize when you plant your rye grass. >> nothing. it sounds crazy. but just letting mother nature do the work. >> would it be an interesting thing if you didn't have to pay for fertilizer? >> that would be wonderful. >> reporter: curtis spangler is one of the conventional farmers in "roots so deep" and he realized that he now has a way to double his herd and quit his second off-farm job. >> right now, we're having to dump thousands of dollars into nitrogen every year that really, if we just change a couple of years, might be able to save that money to put it toward other resources. >> is that something you're committed to doing now as a result of this project? >> oh, yeah, we're really looking and seeing the benefits of it and how we can work it. >> so as we hit the height of grilling season, a little food for thought.

>> there is ways to produce meat that is not good for the planet. and there's ways to produce meat that's really good for the planet. and that's the nuance that's been missing. >> my little boy has a farm puzzle, with the one pig and the one cow and the one chicken and this idyllic scene, and we don't realize that that is so far from what we have now. it's either big farms that are massive or they go out of business. >> or we do, but we've embraced mass production. does this affect our ability to kind of provide the nation agriculturally? >> they would say, it absolutely does. that grass could replace feed lots as a disrupter, a cheaper alternative. but going against these ideas is a massive, big ag industry. fertilizers, big machinery, all of that. all of the solutions are natural. >> did they have a plan to scale? >> well, this is early. this is just like, let's see if we can convince farmers across the fence to talk to each other. that's what's so heart-warming about this series. you've got two of the pairs actually are two founding members of the country band

alabama. randy owen is a traditional grazer, teddy gentry has been an amp farmer their whole life, and they don't talk to each other about it. these are proud folks that work the land and don't really does their -- but this is an interesting look at breaking common ground could be a solution for everybody. healthier cows, birds, land. >> i love learning about the culture of this. bill weir, thank you. >> my pleasure. >> all right, the supreme court ruling in favor of a christian web designer who refused to create sites for same-sex weddings, but the man cited in the case says that she's never actually requested a website, and he's straight, married to a woman. we'll get legal insight into how exactly that could happen. coming up next.

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the supreme court's ruling to strike down president biden's student loan forgiveness program isn't just an impact to borrowers. the justices decided 6-3 against the president's plan. it would have forgiven up to $20,000 in student loan debt for millions, up to 4 mi0 million borrowers. rahel solomon is here.

rahel, this is actually -- i'm stoked you're doing this, because there is a macroeffect to this decision. it's not just about the politics or individual loans. there is an economic effect. >> no, there is a macro impact, a microimpact to real people. let's start with macro. the impact to the larger u.s. economy. so the sense is that this will likely not create a significant impact, but it will create an impact. greg bellier, a strategist who essentially looks at the intersection of wall street and main street. and he put it at about a $70 billion hit, annually, to the u.s. economy. he said, it is obviously a headwind. mark zandi, the chief economist of moody's, he looked at gdp and said it's about the equivalent of shaving off a quarter of 1%. so not necessarily significant. that said, if it's your budget, probably feels a bit different. right? wells fargo put it this way, it's a big deal for affected households. not so much less so for broader consumer spending. the average student loan payment, about $210 to $314 according to wells fargo.

so the impact to larger consumer spending, perhaps not as significant, but here's what i can tell you people are watching very closely. the timing. the timing of this. so when tens of millions of americans have to repay these payments, these student loans after three years of not having had to pay them, it will coincide with what appears to be a slowdown in consumer spending. that has already taken shape. i mean, remember last week, brian moynihan of bank of america spoke to poppy and bank of america has access to millions of checking accounts, credit card accounts, because of their retail business. he said that they are already starting to see in data as recently as june that people are starting to pull back. so it is the tombing of when we're already starting to see a slowdown and then suddenly, you have tens of millions of americans who now have another bill on top of that. will it have an impact? absolutely? the larger macro, that's still debatable. >> isn't that the goal, right? the fed has wanted to cool spending? >> but whose goal. whose goal? that is the fed's goal, absolutely, audi. will the administration be crazy

about consumer spending and the economy starting to lose steam in november? not sure. also, that's right before holiday shopping season, so there's a lot to consider here, but certainly for all of these people who suddenly have to make these payments again after three years, it's something that you're going to have to account for, literally. >> if you were 21 when this went into place, that means you've never paid student loans and all of a sudden have to figure out how to do it. >> there are a lot of people who will now have to pay student loans back for the first time or may have a completely different servicer. >> it's been several months expecting that a significant portion of their loans were going to be wiped away, now -- >> that part. >> now not so much. and there are questions about the origin of the supreme court's ruling that sided with colorado web designer, lori smith. so the high court ruling, 6-3 on friday said that smith can refuse to serve lgbtq customers and the man who smith says contacted her for her services and says he never did, that the request was cited by her attorneys when the state of colorado questioned whether she

had grounds to sue. and what's more, the man who goes by stewart says that he was not in a same-sex marriage. telling cnn, i have never asked anybody to design a website for me, so it's all very strange. i certainly didn't contact her and whatever the information in that request is, is fake. joining us now, also, is cnn senior legal analyst, eli honig. rahel is staying with us. i feel like on the way to a supreme court ruling, someone would have fact checked whether the names and places are who they say they are, et cetera. tell us what happened here? >> one would think that the opposing party would do that. that the state of colorado would do that. this is why the supreme court does not or did not, i should say, until last week, take hypotheticals. because the facts always matter. even in the supreme court, with all is about the law of legalistic determinations, you have to know what the underlying facts are. and this is a core idea of jurisprudence. we don't take cases unless we have a full, factual record before us. what the supreme court did here

is they found a way around that. because they clearly wanted to take this case. they said, well, what we have is this web designer saying, yes, she's going to go into business and doesn't want to make websites for same-sex couples. and the state of colorado saying, and we are going to enforce this law. therefore, we have a sort of inevitable conflict. but here's the problem. could end up your facts are wrong. could end up your facts are distorted. >> but doesn't actually disturb the results of the case in the end. >> it's not going to cause a change in this case, because they found this sort of backdoor to take the case. and it's so important, because the supreme court is telling us we're going to be much more aggressive, we're going to be reaching down and taking more cases now. >> eli ohonig, thank you. rahel solomon, thank you for being here. well, taylor swift living up to her name, swiftly running off the stage -- see what we did there -- off the stage at a show in cincinnati. we'll tell you why. next.

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all right. just revealed this morning, argentine soccer star lionel messi will earn between $50 million and $60 million a year when he joins miami according to the club's part owner. the lower of those figures would make messi the highest paid player in major league soccer by more than 40 million soond. messi also has the guarantee of being part of the club's ownership once he retires and gets a cut from the mls broadcasting deal with apple tv. cristiano ronaldo has a $75 million salary playing for the saudi pro league. now for your morning moment. taylor swift reacting swiftly after -- you see what we did there -- after an apparent stage malfunction during her eras tour stop in cincinnati. here is a look.

>> the singer stood in place for a few extra seconds, even stomping her foot to try to activate a trapdoor, finally running off the stage to complete her outfit change. her fans have dubbed some of these mishaps including the time she accidentally swallowed a bug part of the errors tour. taylor responded to this video on social media saying, quote, still swift af, boy, which i feel totally normal and natural reading. >> look, not all heroes wear capes. >> are you a huge -- you are a huge swiftie fan. >> she's putting on four-hour shows so there's got to be a thing here or there. >> it's got to be challenging. >> i'm just sticking up for the swifties. >> no one is attacking this em. >> there's always someone. >> but not anybody who doesn't want -- >> have you listened to "reputation"? the woman has enemies. >> what does this mean for trump? >> i'm a 1989 guy when it comes

to taylor swift. >> love it. >> she's fast. like she has good wheels there. she's moving. >> i think it's leg length, like stride. >> she's wearing gigantic shoes, too. >> she's a philadelphia eagles fan, by the way, we need a kick returner. >> she is committed to the show and i appreciate it. >> elie, thank you. >> thank you. i'd love to come back. >> thank you, guys. have a wonderful day. cnn this morning starts right after this break. humpty dumpty does it with a great fall.

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