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how the russian revolt is also playing out on the battlefield. we're following these major developing stories and many more all coming in right here to cnn news central. we begin with the former vice president. m, responding to -- mike pence, responding to reports of efforts by president trump to overturn the results of the 2020 election in arizona. sources tell cnn that trump spoke with then-arizona governor doug ducey about finding fraud that would then help him win the state that he lost. trump also repeatedly pressured pence to help him find evidence of fraud. pence, however, is insisting he does not remember any pressure from trump regarding those phone calls with governor ducey. cnn has more on the story from the beginning. what is pence's view of these conversations?

>> reporter: he's saying that he was not pressured in any way. i do want to give context around these phone calls because we knew that trump had spoken to doug ducey, they confirmed the conversation, we didn't know what that had looked like. now i'm learning from sources that behind closed doors ducey said that in this phone call trump was pressuring him, like he was to officials across the country, to try to find examples of voter fraud. >> ducey is saying he felt pressured by -- >> reporter: by the former president. >> is pence saying the president did not pressure ducey, or is pence saying he was not involved in pressuring ducey? >> reporter: pence is saying he was not involved in pressuring ducey, and also that he was not getting pressure from the president. we know that pence was getting pressure from the president, not just specifically about ducey but about everything. he was getting pressure from the former president to find any kind of election fraud, to not certify the election on january 6th. this is an ongoing issue between the two men. it's obviously been widely reported, and we've seen

multiple people testify in the january 6th committee about these kind of pressure campaigns. now this is exactly what pence said this weekend when he was asked about it. take a listen. >> i did check in with not only goof -- with governor ducey and reviewing the election results. there was no pressure involved. margaret, i was calling to get an update. i passed along that information to the president, and it was no more, no less than that. >> reporter: so this is a new phone call, and there's a couple things to clear up. we already know about the one call between trump and raffensperger that was recorded. that is now subject of the special counsel. he has brought in brad raffensperger, secretary of state in georgia. this call was not recorded. and we have learned that doug ducey has not been contacted by the special counsel's office. no conversation around this conversation between trump and ducey. >> it's your reporting that it's ducey's view that the former president was pressuring him, the republican governor's view

was the republican president was pressuring him -- >> reporter: that's what he's saying behind closed doors, that the call was a pressure campaign from the former president to try and overturn these election results in arizona which, as you'll remember, trump lost narrowly, about 11,000 votes. a spokesperson for ducey said this is all in the rearview mirror, he stand by his decision to certify the election in the state. but it's not really in the rearview mirror because as we know donald trump is running for office again. and a key pillar of his campaign still remains that the 2020 election was rigged. so even though if it's in the rearview mirror for the former governor of arizona, it is still very much a part of the political narrative today. >> more than a narrative. it's part of an ongoing investigation, criminal investigation, more than one regarding georgia. thank you so much for joining us. boris? let's expand the conversation on these investigations with tom dupree, he served as the principal deputy assistant attorney general under president george w. bush. tom, welcome. we're grateful to have your perspective on with us. we know this is not the only

phone call that donald trump made to a state official after the 2020 election trying to find election fraud somewhere -- the other one obviously the recording of him speaking to brad raffensperger, the secretary of state in georgia, looking for 11,000, some odd votes. but do these calls amount to a considerable offense? -- criminal offense? in your perspective, is this a crime? >> well, it would be a crime if the president knew at the time that these votes didn't exist. so that when he raffensperger to find him the votes he wasn't simply saying i want you to make sure there was no evidence of fraud, i want to make sure this was a fair election and that ever vote was counted. he was asking the to say is manufacture votes, to find votes that don't exist. i think the special counsel will find it easier to prove fraud in connection with the georgia call it because that call was recorded. doesn't give the former president much wiggle room as compared to the call in ducey

where the special counsel would have to rely on the testimony of the former governor and others close to him to nail down what former president trump said. >> on that note about relying on witness testimony from the former governor, if you were representing him, what would your advice be? would you tell him to cooperate? >> well, first and foremost i'd tell him to tell the truth. in other words, if he gets an inquiry from the special counsel, i would certainly advise him to cooperate, advise him to say what happened, which would include whether or not he felt the former president was exerting undue pressure or urging him to manufacture votes. >> so about mike pence, he's trying to distance himself from what has been described as a pressure campaign by donald trump and his allies. could he face legal liability for the calls he made which he insists were totally innocent? >> well, look, if the situation is such as the former vice president has portrayed it, then no, he wouldn't face any legal

liability. i mean, of course if evidence should come out that in fact vice president pence was exerting undue pressure, urging that false votes be manufactured or that a fraud be perpetrated, sure, he could face legal liability. but based on what we know, it seems less likely that pence was urging governor ducey to manufacture votes. we saw this when push came to shove on january 6th, mike pence stood up for the constitution. he did what he felt the kukz required and -- constitution required and respected the rule of law in the united states. given that it seems unlikely that he would have been part of a scheme to urge governor ducey to manufacture fake votes in arizona. he seems too respectful of the process to have done something of that nature. >> there's the legal and then the political, and we can't ignore that both of these men are running for president. how might that factor into jac smith's decision on whether or not to indict both of them?

>> from jack smith's perspective, he's got to be cautious. prosecutors always have to be cautious in bringing forward the evidence. that applies with extra force here. the public is going to be scrutinizing the nature of the charges that jack smith brings in connection with the january 6th and the false votes scheme against former president donald trump to make sure that he's not overreaching, to make sure that the claims he's bringing, making obviously extremely serious allegations against a former president, are backed up by the evidence. with regard to georgia, he's obviously got a stronger hand to play, the special counsel, because he has that reporting. in arizona, from what we know right now, the special counsel would have to build his case with witness testimony from ducey and others which makes it much tougher to prosecute. so for that reason, i suspect the special counsel will be extra cautious if he decides to bring charges based on this arizona contact. >> and we should note based on kristin holmes' reporting, former governor ducey has not yet gotten a call from the

special counsel. tom dupree, thank you so much for sharing your time with us. >> thank you. >> of course. republican presidential candidate and florida governor ron desantis facing growing criticism today after his campaign shared this video slamming trump for vowing to protect lgbtq rights. it's a video that includes some kind of random clips from movies like "american psycho" and "the wolf of wall street." pictures of very oiled up, muscular men, as well. and it's been described by critics as homophobic, divisive, and tone deaf. we have cnn's jeff zeleny joining us covering this. how is this going for desantis? >> reporter: brianna, this is the latest example of the culture wars being stoked in random ways, as you said. to fully understand, this let's look at this video and then try to break it down. >> okay. >> i will do everything in my

power to protect our lgbtq citizens -- ♪ >> so it has a bit of a beat to it, but perhaps after this it goes downhill. let's start with the very beginning. that quote from the former president talking about how he would stand up for lgbtq rights. he was saying that in the wake of the pulse nightclub massacre, literally days after 49 people were killed in the state of florida. of course so the governor's campaign using this as exhibit a for how the president supports gay rights certainly shows you all you need to know about what they're trying to do here. the governor's campaign clearly trying to appeal to the right. he's clearly trying on get attention perhaps first and foremost, which he's been

struggling to do. let's be honest, he's had problems gaining ground in iowa and new hampshire. this, of course, has us talking about gay rights and about the governor not necessarily struggles with donald trump. most interestingly perhaps is how fast the trump campaign seized upon this. they called it a desperate act. this is latest example of the flash between the two. but we're not talking about new policy here. they're reaching toward the bottom of the barrel, if you will, and they were criticized by log cabin republicans and other conservative groups. >> i wonder how this does play more broadly because ron desantis, maybe he does want to gain some republican support, right, and maybe with the base, but ultimately he needs to broaden his support. so how does he get beyond what might be a little bit of a sugar high with a smaller group of republicans? >> exactly. short-term gain, potentially long-term problem if republicans are trying to win back the white house with independent voters,

moderate voters here. that is where the criticism is coming from, from the log cabin republican group. this republican group which rarely criticizes republican presidential candidates, but they came out forceful saying it was a divisive, homophobic, discriminatory -- look, this is a long-term challenge and problem for governor desantis as is his record in florida. he's been famously signing many bi bills, "the don't say gay" bill. i'm interested to see how he reacts in new hampshire tomorrow or what former president trump says about it. the specific thing of the pulse nightclub shooting, i think that is what has some saying it's -- crosses a line. >> because to be clear here, trump was speaking in support of a group that had just been targeted and massacred by the dozens in desantis' state. so you'd think that he is really going to have to answer for that. so incredibly insensitive to target those comments. >> you would think. >> all right. really interesting. thank you so much.

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occupation, it means one thing -- war is not over yet. >> to be clear, in victory, in peace, is there any scenario where crimea is not part of ukraine? >> translator: it will not be victory then. >> the full interview airs wednesday night at 7:00 p.m. eastern. zelenskyy also offered a scathing take of vladimir putin and his power over the kremlin after the -- hearing from the ukrainian president. >> the ukrainian president obviously understands that many people anticipated that the counteroffensive would achieve more than it has so far. we got a statement from him saying last week was difficult on the front line, but we are making progress. we are moving forward step by step. and step by step it looks to be

the pace of this offensive. we heard from the deputy defense minister that within the last week ukraine has taken the equivalent of 15 square miles. today the head of ukrainian land forces visited ukrainian positions outside the city of bakhmut. and he said that the russians have very deep defensive positions, that both sides, the ukrainians and the russians, are trying to seize the initiative, but it's very hard going. he said that from the south ukrainian forces are moving forward, but from the north, where they're also trying to approach book mute which -- bakhmut which has been under russian occupation since may, they're running into difficulty. this seems to be the scenario in much along the 600-mile front line that the ukrainians are trying to make progress, but the russians seem to have built up their defensive, deployed reinforcements along the front line, making it very difficult

to make any dramatic progress. boris? >> progress slow going up to this point. ben wedeman from eastern ukraine. thank you so much. brianna? this weekend cnn learned cia director william burns recently met with president zelenskyy in ukraine, and after that visit the spy chief is making it clear this war has given the agency a golden opportunities to recruit russian assets. >> disaffection with the war will continue to gnaw away at the russian leadership. that creates a once-in-a-generation opportunities for us at cia. we're very much open for business. >> let's bring in national security institute founder jameel jaffer to talk about this. pretty calculated remarks here. i wonder what do you think burns' angle is? >> he's obviously trying to recruit assets in russia, russians in ukraine. he's trying to put pressure on vladimir putin to say, look, the

people around you may have knives out, you better look out for more prigozhins, hoping that putin will make a mistake, will lash out, and ultimately undermine his own position within russia. >> you have the u.s. emphasizing as soon as this wagner revolt happened, look, the u.s. is not involved in this. but you have burns talking about capitalizing on this situation to recruit russian assets. is this a tricky line to walk? >> absoluteli. what they want to make clear, what the white house has tried to make clear is we didn't have flooding too with that revolt -- have to do with that revolt. to the contrary, it's clear that the more pressure that's on putin, the more likely he is to come the table, the more likely he is to get out of ukraine, and that's good for what the u.s. and our allies in nato wants. >> you think putin is easily freaked out by there kind of thing? >> i think he's obviously a man nervous about the peep around him. he's a paranoid reason but has good reason to be paranoid. he knows around him are people looking for weakness. and he's engaged in purges in

the past. now, he's obviously a strong man. he's fought hard, he's fought hard to keep his position. and on this round at least, he beat -- somewhat beat yevgeny prigozhin. >> i wonder what you thought about zelenskyy's comments in his interview with erin burnett. he's talking about how this visit with burns came to be public. he's clearly not totally pleased with that, i think would be an understatement. this trip that burns made also comes after ukrainian intel. quite a bit of significant intel was made public due to that discord release by air national guardsman jack teixeira. >> there's a concern because not only was ukraine intel leaked by close allies leaked. that's concerning to anybody who wants to share information with us including the very russian assets that we will want to recruit. they're afraid it might get back to putin, they might get killed as a result. what's happening is bill burns

is making clear we're there with you, we're here to support you. but also we're going to keep your secrets close hold. >> do you think ukraine has any reticence about sharing secrets? >> i think there's no doubt that they're going to be rhetreticen. at the same time, they need our intelligence, better than theirs, and they made it our support in the conflict. and i can guarantee it's not just military support, the cia is on the ground working it right now, gathering intel, and maybe doing more. >> great to have your insights. thank you so much. witnessing the war this ukraine through the eyes of an 11-year-old boy. a heartbreaking, powerful perspective on this ongoing conflict. i'll speak to the photojournalist who shows what life is like for igor growing up just miles from the front lines and living it every day. ahead, several people dead in the west bank after israeli forces launched the biggest military operation there in 20 years. we'll have the details coming up.

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the white house is now closely monitoring a tense situation in the middle east where israeli forces have launched what it is describing as the largest military operation in the west bank in more than 20 years. the palestinian health ministry says at least eight people have been killed, roughly 80 injured. the israeli military says its forces were targeting terrorist infrastructure in the city of jenin. gunfire and explosions could be heard in the streets. large plumes of smoke could also be seen following the strikes. let's take you live to

jerusalem. is there any indication how long this military operation is going to last? >> reporter: we just heard from the israeli military chief spokesperson saying this will last essentially as long as they believe it needs to, potentially another day or two. this has turned into the largest israeli military operation in the occupied west bank since 2002, since the days of the second intafada. we've seen hundreds of forces if not up to 1,000 entering the refugee camp as well as the use of bulldozers to tear up streets. the israeli military saying this is because ieds are being hidden beneath the pavement. and we have even seen the use of drone air strikes targeting militants, and we have even seen israeli tanks outside of gjenin itself. these are things we have not

seen since the violent heady days since 2002. the israeli military saying they'd been planning this operation for quite some time. it started overnight with what israeli military is saying are precise drone strikes on militant locations. they say that over the past 18 hours they've been targeted what they say are command centers for militants, a weapons storage sites, explosive manufacturing sites. they say they've targeted some tunnels that militants were using under a mosque. but it has turned the jenin refugee camp into essentially a war zone. and i was actually just in jen n yesterday and residents are saying they have never seen anything like this, and they are really afraid to leave their homes. now, the palestinian ministry of health saying that eight palestinians have been killed. israeli officials have been saying that nearly all of them were armed when they were killed. we do know that several of those killed were teenagers. and there are some 80 injuries. i should emphasize that this

operation is still ongoing. so we will likely see those numbers increase. the israeli military saying one of their soldiers were injured. now prime minister benjamin netanyahu spoke in the last hour or so, and he is saying that this operation will go on as long as necessary. he says in recent months jenin has become a haven for terrorism, and they are not ready to accept this. we have seen, of course, increasing levels of violence across the occupied west bank and israel over the past year and a half between these regular israeli military raids and palestinian attacks against israelis. what we're seeing right now, this is at a new level of intensity, and the big question now is will this spill over into something much broader than what the israeli military is saying is a targeted operation focusing on jenin. >> reporting from jerusalem. thank you. jim? we're going to give you a powerful perspective on russia's ongoing war in ukraine. it takes you right to the front line and seeing it through the eyes not of a soldier or doctor

or journalist, but the eyes of a child trying every day just to survive. an 11-year-old boy named ygor, a photojournalist for "the new york times" followed him and his mother lena, living less than 15 miles from buakhmut. they suffered through shelling, the loss of basic services such as running water, electricity, schooling, and a constant closeup view of the casualties of war. we have more now. these are such powerful photos. i think that they carry such meaning with them because they bring people there in a way that they might not get otherwise. i think that sometimes people get numb to over time as a war like there carries on. you wrote a note in there, you said that ygor no longer flinched when shells were fired as he ate his morning dump life insurance. and i, like you, have a son similar age to him. my first thought was, wow, he's strong, but my second thought was the scars must be so deep from all this.

>> yeah. i mean, i've been covering the war in ukraine for a year and a half now, and i have repeatedly photographed children dealing with trauma. and i have an 11-year-old, just like ygor. i first met him in january of this year. and he was learning how to suture trauma wounds with one of the military medics at a hospital, a military stabilization point. and of course the first thing i thought was, i -- i can't even fathom what it would be like for my son to be in this situation. and so i had the idea of trying to live with him and his mother to really try and get a sense of not only the moments where it was intensive fighting nearby but also those sort of quiet moments. you know, what happens to a boy who has been exposed to war over and over? >> and his mother, too. she's involved, she's working, as you described, in this hospital helping clean, helping

treat the wounded. both of them are seeing the bloodshed firsthand. they see these broken bodies of young men coming back. i think ygor noted that, that they're so young. not that much older than he is. >> yeah. and i talked to his mother, lena, about does she try to shield him from these sights. one day you showed an image of him sort of standing in the doorway, of medics trying to resuscitate a young man. that young man died. and i said to ygor, you know, what do you feel when you see this? and he could barely articulate -- he just said it's so sad, it's so sad, they're so young. and his mother said, look, i can't shield him from this war. it's been going on -- they live in donbas, and she said we've been at war a long time now, and i just can't hide it from him. >> yeah. when i was there in the early stages of the war, millions of ukrainians fled, as you know.

but then as i stayed, many came back, and they'll say this is my country, they want to do their part. but lena and ygor are right on the front lines. they are in the most dangerous part of the country, one of the most dangerous parts of the country. do you know why -- did lena explain why she kept ygor so close to it for so long? >> yeah. i mean, i think the basic answer is she didn't have money to leave. she didn't have relatives living in the west. she didn't want to impose. she had taken on all of the animals, many of the animals in her neighborhood that her neighbors left behind. so they had 14 pets. >> wow. >> and so actually since i left, they did leave. she was able to get ygor out because it became too intense, and they started targeting the hospital where she worked. and so she was able to take him out to the west, dropped him with a friend -- not even a family member, but a friend --

and was given 30 days to go back and yet her other daughter, angelina. if not, they would send him to an orphanage. so that is the sort of stress that families are living with. and she was just able to make it out, as well, in the last ten days. they're still looking for a place to live. they have no money to rent a place. and they have 14 pets which she refused to leave behind. >> yeah. and listen, we know the stories of children who have been forcibly separated from their parents, taken to russia. i'm sure all these fears factor into those decisions. there are so many -- powerful photos that we've been showing. is there a photo in particular that captures the effect of this war on this little boy? >> i mean, look, i think sort of the juxtaposition of him standing at the door over the soldier for me really summed it up. that was the moment where i thought, you know, he is witnessing these wounded soldiers coming in day in and

day out. the soldiers themselves were traumatized. and i think, you know, i don't know what he does with everything he has witnessed over the past year and a half. and i think that it will be a long road for many of these children, many of these ukrainian children who were on the front line but also in kyiv and other parts of the city, other parts of the country. >> yeah. it's a legacy of so many of these wars we cover. people move on from the war in afghanistan or iraq or syria, but the people carry those memories and those wounds, and the loss with them. lindsay, thank you so much. but a great service here i think explaining to folks, conveying to folks exactly the pain of what's going on there. we appreciate you joining us today. >> thank you so much. severe weather threatening millions of americans on the eve of july 4th. and it could make for another frustrating travel day and pour some cold water on your fireworks. we'll have more on that just ahead.

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now to some of the other headlines that we are watching this hour. nearly three dozen people were injured when an suv plowed into a bar and restaurant in new hampshire. this happened sunday afternoon in the town of laconia. police say a three-car accident in front of the building sent one of the vehicles careening into this restaurant. none of the injuries are believed to be life threatening. nch this is the second time n gershkovich has been granted consular access to the ambassador since he was detained in march. last month a russian court upheld his extended detention in a moscow prison until at least

the end of august. and treasury secretary janet yellen traveling to beijing later this week. she is going to be the second cabinet-level member to head to china since june as the biden administration is trying to improve ties. yellen is expected to meet with senior chinese officials. she is help expected to meet with chinese president xi jinping. jim? well, incredible video out of chicago where heavy rainfall brought severe flooding. that's downtown chicago over the weekend. crews had to rescue people who became stranded on the roads after the storm left their cars under water. you see there, that's dangerous. the threat for chicago now thankfully over, but millions of americans remain on alert for severe weather, and it's a long list as the great chad knows. damaging winds, tornadoes, dangerous heat. chad myers, every time i talk to you, threw s-- there's somethin big happening somewhere. it was raining over in d.c., we

lost power twice. >> come to me when it's good weather. i never get to talk about sunny and 72 in san diego. >> we'll look for the good weather tomorrow. testimony us where the bad is -- tell us where the bad is. >> perfect. two areas, one around rapid city in south dakota and another area with a highghly populated i-95 the mid-atlantic to philadelphia. yesterday three concerns were on the ground. we had 250 wind reports. we may get that kind of number today. there's radar now popping up. lightning popping up, as well. and just in one minute,id? this red box -- inside this red box, 663 lightning strikes have hit the ground. that's in one minute. that number will change at 665 because it's a running total as it updates every couple of seconds. yes, a lot of lightning out there. that's what i'm truly concerned with today. yes, there will be wind damage and even maybe the possibility some hail, especially across the northeast here. if you're outside, so many people are outside, and you get

that lightning detector on your phone that says something's within ten miles, you need to get inside because today there will be tens of thousands of strikes that come down today in a minute as we get into the afternoon and the heat of the day. for tomorrow, i think parts of nebraska, kansas, toward minneapolis, that's the area probably for the worst weather for fireworks if you're shooting fireworks off on tuesday. big heat -- weather, big heat across parts of the deep south and the southwest for tomorrow. temperatures still going to approach 110 to 115 from vegas to phoenix and twentynine palms. hot weather up there. >> no question. i was going ask you about fireworks in this area tomorrow. sound like we're going to be okay but other folks have to watch out. we'll bring updates tomorrow. chad myers in the weather center, thank you so much. boris? when life gave tiktok lemons, its owner made lemonade. details on a new app and the national security concerns that go along with it. we'll be right back. together ws to support immune,

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security concerns over tiktok are growing with more states banning the chinese-owned app over concerns about user data. despite that, a new app laurchld by tiktok's parent company is starting to gain traction in the united states. vanessa, what is lemon eight and what does it do? >> lemon eight launched in the u.s. earlier this year and people are describing it as a mix between instagram, pinterest and a little bit of tumbler. what it lacks in popularity here in the u.s., it makes up for in

power. strength in the fact that it is created by bytedance, the parent company of tiktok. so we spoke to social media influencers and security experts and asked the them what they thought of the app and if they have any growing concerns. >> people started saying, oh, have you heard about lemon eight. i'm like, what is this? >> with more than half a million followers on tiktok and instagram combined -- >> reporter: you guys are known as -- >> sister snacking. people were saying it was tiktok's new app, a mix between instagram and pinterest. >> reporter: they have less than 40 followers but say it isn't about follower count for them just yet. >> when you hear about something like this, especially if it's from tiktok, you want to make sure you're some of the first people there. >> reporter: it's owned by bytedance, the same company behind tiktok. that's raising some eyebrows

among security experts and lawmakers. but tiktok has 150 million users in the u.s. compared to lemon eight which has 900,000 active monthly users and say they're creating a community where people discover and share content related to beauty, fashion, travel and more in an authentic and diverse environment. >> even when you're talking about a platform like lemon eight which can seem benign, there might be less than of a national security concern. but four, five years ago when we started raising the alarm about tiktok, we encountered the same thing. >> reporter: now bills like the restrict act are swirling around congress to address concerns that foreign countries could access user data through social media apps. >> two years i became the ceo of tiktok. >> reporter: the ceo testified in march. he's seen no evidence the chinese government has accessed any of that data. lemon eight declined to answer

questions about where their data is stored. the big's cosponsor told cnn, today we're talking about t tiktok, but new apps are popping up constantly. we need a new bill to address them. no more whack-a-mole. >> i think bytedance is seeing some of the writing on the wall in the u.s. and looking for a plan "b.." >> re. >> reporter: this woman was hired to promote content from lemon eight. it's no rival to tiktok yet. >> that does of lemon eight came from the almost removal of tiktok. more people are talking about it now. but i think it is solely because of that many scare that we all had. >> reporter: and where consumers are, brands follow.

>> i think social media has driven a lot of our organic awareness. i think it accounts for 80% of our sales. >> reporter: this brand found massive success on tiktok and seeing if it squeeze more use out of lemon eight. >> it's created be i a company that's successful as creating a social media platform, that was interesting. it's still to be determined if it's going to be that platform for us. >> reporter: and we asked these influencers whether they shared the concerns about their privacy, data or lemon eight and tiktok's connection to china and they said they do not. and that is because a lot of these influencers have become incredibly successful particularly on tiktok. they've made a lot of money. they're hoping to replicate that with lemon eight. they admit that they only have each about a couple dozen followers. but they're hoping that because tiktok has become so successful under bytedance, lemon eight

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