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thing. we have to be honest. this is the united states of america. this is our longest standing public health challenge, and we need to focus on gun violence, regardless of where it happens. >> so, alex, this manhunt is currently under way. remember, the holiday weekend is not fully over yet. there are still some events planned in baltimore. the mayor said in his press conference, we are gearing up every resource at our disposal to ensure the 4th of july is safe. >> tragic story right before the 4th of july. thank you very much. >> thank you very much for watching here in "the situation" room. erin burnett "outfront" starts next. a massive buildup of russian
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forces. more details on how many men putin has sent to the front lines. >> plus, the investigation into trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election heating up as the special counsel focuses in on trump's legal team. >> and a terrifying video of a visible crack in the support beam of a popular roller coaster. the man who shot this video, the video that eventually forced the park to shut the ride down is my guess. let's go "outfront." good evening, i'm erica hill in for erin burnett. putin is now said to have moved more than 180,000 men to the front line, including 50,000 near bakhmut and the buildup comes as ukraine claims it is slowly making progress in the east, taking back more than 14,000 miles in the past week. we're getting video of a massive
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fire ball seen rising over the city of sumi. russia hit a number of residential buildings and a security service building. these attacks underscore why zelenskyy is pressing for ukraine to be able to join nato. erin asked zelenskyy if he believes ukraine will ultimately get that invitation? >> reporter: we are dpays arm from the nato summit. have you had any assurances that they will directly support ukraine's bid for membership? >> translator: i'm grateful to the u.s. for their support. president biden and the u.s. congress, both parties despite their preparations for the elections pay a great deal of attention to the war in ukraine. they are on our side and they support us. it's difficult for ukraine to survive without the u.s.
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support, and it's a fact. i'm very direct when saying this. without the u.s.'s help, it would become a frozen conflict. with the u.s.'s help, we will d deoccupy our territory and we don't have to be scared of that. the u.s. decided today whether ukraine will get invited to nato. this is today's situation and it's a fact. the majority of nato countries support, those who have their doubts look only at president biden it will be his decision. >> reporter: so he has a decision to make coming into this weekend. >> yes. he's a decision-maker for today. we have great relations. so he support our future in nato, but we are speaking now
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about very important for motivation of our soldiers. just technical thing. just wording. invitation ukraine to nato. >> not down the line, now. >> now. it's very important. it will push russia, it will push our soldiers quicker because of their mobilization of the people. it's so important to feel that you are really be in through -- around allies in the future. but we know that we will never be in nato before war finish. >> reporter: right. >> so we understand everything. but this signal is really very important and depends on biden's decision. >> we will have more of decision. ben wedeman is "outfront" in
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ukraine. ben, what's the latest from there? >> erica, the commander of ukrainian ground forces visited the front lines around bakhmut today. and while claiming some advances, he pointed to what he called deep russian defenses around the town as a major factor slowing down his troops. ukraine's much anticipated counteroffensive now well into its fourth week. the front lines ever more intense. but the gain so far small and incremental. ukrainian forces are pushing forward in the south, liberating just over 150 square kilometers. that's only 60 square miles. but as ukraine advances, the country's deputy defense minister says russia is stepping up attacks in the east. the enemy is trying to force our troops out of their positions, but is receiving a worthy rebuff, she said in her latest
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update. on several fronts, russian forces are managing to move forward. now on the offensive in the a town in the luhansk region. back in moscow, russia's military leaders continued to project strength, even after the recent mutiny by wagner mercy areas in. >> translator: these plans failed primarily because the person of the armed forces showed loyalty to their oath and military duty. the provocation did not have impact on the groups of troops. the servicemen courageously and selflessly continued to solve the tasks assigned to them. >> reporter: russia's assault on ukraine also continues further from the front lines, hammering civilian infrastructure. monday, four russian drones were launched at the northeastern city of sumi, hitting two residential apartment blocks and a local administrative building. that attack killed two people and injured at least 19. rescuers are determined to quickly clear up the aftermath.
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just as ukrainian forces tell cnn they're determined to keep inching forward. ukrainian officials have insisted there is no time limit for the counteroffensive. slow, steady progress combined with unrelenting pressure on the russians may yet yield results. erica? >> ben wedeman, we appreciate the reporting. thank you. "outfront" now, retired army brigadier general, and steve hall, former cia chief of russia operations. good to see you both tonight. general, if coy begin with you, as we heard what ben laid out there. ukraine's gain so far have been small, somewhat incremental. now ukraine is talking about these more than 180,000 men russia has moved to the front lines. how do you think this will impact the counteroffensive? >> first, let's dissect that 180,000 reported. they are looked to be out of
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their reserve formations that were not stood up long ago. also, the storm z companies which are groups of convicts and things like that. so these are not elite first string troops that they're committing. i have a suspicion a lot of the reserve forces are being pulled out are probably not particularly motivated to be there, though they're considered voluntary citizens. you got that. most of the 300,000 of last fall have been committed. so it's serious, their numbers. quantity has a certain quality of its own, as stalin would say. but these are not elite guys. but it is a factor, but it also may put stress, erica, on the russian people and the regime. the battle itself, the grinding
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ukrainian offensive, these are probes. they're big probes. they're hard probes. they're looking for weakness. they have not committed their main force brigades that are looking. and we have to have tactical operational patience for this to play out. and everyone said, including ukraine, this would be hard and ugly. >> well, as we watch, to your point, hard and ugly, and could take a while longer at that. i want to play another part if i could have, aaron's new interview with president zelenskyy. >> mr. president, you recently said that you have dealt -- and i'll quote you the way it quoted -- with different putins. it's a completely different set of traits in different periods. now, of course, he has faced a rebellion, an attempted coup from yevgeny prigozhin. have you seen any changes in how you think he is acting in his behavior since the attempted coup?
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>> translator: yes, we see the reaction after certain wagner steps. we see putin's reaction. it's weak. firstly, we see he doesn't control everything. wagner's moving deep into russia and taking certain regions shows how easy it is to do. putin doesn't control the situation in the regions. he doesn't control the security situation. >> what he pointed out there, that he believes he no longer controls the security situation. steve, this mutiny by prigozhin in russia, how much of a lasting impact do you think it has had in terms of changes on putin and even the power that he does or perhaps in some areas does not hold? >> yeah, erica, i think that's the question that probably everybody is asking at this particular point. there are those russia watchers who sort of say look, we can't know a whole lot about what's going on behind the walls of the kremlin because it's such a byzantine place. that's absolutely true. but there is also some stuff
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that's happened on the ground that i think is irrefutable. the first is how did the wagner guys get as far as they did? i think everybody could have sat back and said wow, this prigozhin thing doesn't look like it's going to go well for the kremlin. if we can see that, and all we have access to is general reporting, you can't tell mae navy the russian intelligence searches, specifically the fsb either didn't see this or somehow didn't send it up the line? how do you explain that? so that's either a lack of focus or a lack of -- or an increased focus on something else to the detriment of putin's regime, that's job number one for all autocrats is to stay in power. so i think we're looking at a weakened putin. the question remains is how weakened? what will his response be? because he is going to try to show that he is, of course, not weakened. we'll see how that turns out. >> and there are a lot of concerns about what that could look like, understandably. general zwack, you heard that interview with president zelenskyy with erin, talking
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about whether ukraine would be allowed to join nato. talking specifically about president biden, he said he knows it depends on him. it will be his decision. what do you make of that take? clearly there is a message in there. he talked about what a good relationship he and president biden have. but that particular wording was interesting. >> president zelenskyy is a master of the narrative. and i think going directly to president biden can understand that, because there is a strong american influence obviously in nato toward that decision. but we have to remember, it's an alliance of 31 nations. and it just takes one or two that doesn't. so i think president biden is acutely aware of the issues. how? i think that the intent we're reading it all around is more and more not just in our own nation, but also in our allies that there will be a day where
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ukraine is worthy of nato, certainly. i think the narrative of that, how the president, put some pressure on him, is -- i think this is really, really hard. i think, though, that the ukrainians have deserved it. they are certainly in the pipeline. but article 5, an attack on one is an attack on all. and zelenskyy, to his credit, did mention that. you can respond and talk about the intent to bring ukraine into nato, but not a full invitation at the summit for the reasons we talk about. >> as we watch to see what develops there, steve, today the u.s. ambassador to russia was able to meet with the detained "wall street journal" reporter evan gverse visits.
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he is vasing espionage charges in russia. the u.s. has refuted and calleded them baseless. i wonder what we're talking in terms of the recent issues in russia and how putin is in this moment, is it more or less likely that we could see something happen with evan gers vicks. >> this is something that the russians do. it's hostage-taking. it really has nothing to do with a real police force and a real rule of law, real prosecutors. they've got all the trappings. they've got courtrooms and stuff. but that's not what's going on here. he and all the westerners are being held in western jails are simply pawns caught up in the game. unfortunately because of what we were just talking about in terms of how putin is going to respond to the challenge by prigozhin and perhaps some of his own
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generals, i think the outlook for these imprisoned americans is even worse because it would look weaker for putin right now to say yeah, okay, i'll do the west a favor, or i'll do the united states what it wants. it wants these people released. so i'll go ahead and do that. that would look weak. and that's not something that putin wants to do. he wants to do the opposite to appear more strong in the threat he recently just faced. so i'm i frayed it's probably looking worse. >> steve hall, general zwack, good to have you both with us. thank you. >> happy fourth. >> happy fourth to you as well. appreciate it. be sure to tune in for erin's exclusive interview with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy this wednesday on "outfront." up next, the special counsel now focusing its attention on trump's legal team. why? plus, trump apparently not taking his own advice. cnn's kay file uncovering audio
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looming for donald trump. walt nauta, the trump aide charged along with the former president for allegedly mishandling documents is scheduled to be arraigned this thursday in february. thursday is a drop dead deadline to find a local attorney to represent him. this comes amid growing signs that special counsel jack smith is also ramping up his probe into trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. he is overseeing that as well. focusing both on trump's legal team and also on the fake trump electors. katelyn polantz is "outfront." this is shaping up to potentially be a rough summer for the former president. >> it's certainly not going to be a sleepy summer for donald trump. that's because he has this huge cloud hanging over his campaign in the form of the indictment against him in florida from the special counsel's office related to documents at mar-a-lago. and that case has kicked off with donald trump pleading not guilty a few weeks ago, but really is going to get moving in earnest toward a trial beginning this week.
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because on thursday, that's when his co-defendant walt nauta is due back in court, and nauta will be pleading not guilty at that time. he will also have a lawyer show up from florida at this time. it's going to be a short and sweet and procedural hearing from what we know, but it does kick off a lot in that case where they can move towards arguments. they can move to discussing classified material. and we also know that the justice department keeps wanting to talk to more witnesses around there. so there could be a lot of things happening in that case. then in the january 6th investigation, erica, there is a lot there. the prosecutors have been extremely aggressive in recent week, especially focused around the fake electors probe. we saw them offer immunity to get grand jury testimony out of two fake electors in the state of nevada. we also know that there are two people that were organizing that fake elector effort on behalf of the trump campaign, one who was subpoenaed to the grand jury. another one who in recent weeks has agreed to be talking to
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prosecutors. and then they got to talk to giuliani himself, rudy giuliani, the guy at the top of the trump legal network in 2020. and so how that all comes together, if there is a case coming soon, a lot of signs point to that, but there is a lot there the prosecutors are doing, and then finally, of course, we're almost in the window just days away from when the georgia grand jury in fulton county is going to be able to look at whether they're going to be bringing an indictment. july 11th i believe is the beginning of that period of time. erica? >> not going to be a sleepy summer for the former president, and certainly not for you, my friend. katelyn, appreciate it. thank you. "outfront" now, ryan goodman, our legal expert. so ryan, based on what we just spoke with katelyn about, let's look specifically at this investigation into january 6th, into the fake electors. as katelyn laid out, they're really ramping up it seems who they're talking to. when you're looking at what we know publicly, in terms of who has been spoken to, who do you think should be more concerned
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tonight? is it donald trump? or is it his legal team that he had at the time? those former attorneys? >> that's a great question. in a certain sense, it's both. and i do think that the lawyers must be very worried about their own legal jeopardy. and the lawyers we're thinking about happen to be the lawyers that the january 6th select committee referred to the justice department saying these are the individuals that were criminally conspiring with the former president to try to overturn the election. rudy giuliani is named by the committee. john eastman is named by the committee. and not as much as a household name, kenneth chesebro is named by the committee as conspireing with him. in some ways they have even more legal liability because their fingerprints are on a lot of the false elects or the. they were running that scheme. >> a lot of fingerprints. boil it down for us if you could. what do you think when you look at this? why do you think the special counsel is so focused specifically on the legal team and the advisers? what does that tell you about the direction? >> so it tells me that in the direction that this is also about the false electors, and they are the runs that are
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running point on the false electors scheme. they have the greatest legal liability in that sense. rudy giuliani is running this across the seven states. that's all reporting in the january 6th committee as well. that's a lot of documentation to st suggest that there really is a very strong case that could be brought, and he could potentially fliep these people too. there are ways the special counsel can do that. >> in terms of flipping, not exactly the same thing. we do know the special counsel was able to pierce attorney-client privilege when we're looking at the mar-a-lago documents case. what are the chances we could see something similar here? >> i think the chances are high. it's almost like low-hanging fruit, and it's ripe for the picking in the sense that we have a federal district court in california that already determined that donald trump and john eastman, one of his private attorneys, sorry, it was a preponderance of the evidence, more likely than not that they engaged in a criminal conspiracy to pierce the attorney-client privilege. those for the january 6th committee to get certain documents. here is the special counsel. he could also walk into court and say i want to pierce the
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client attorney privilege too, get testimony, with eastman but giuliani similarly. he did it already in mar-a-lago. why wouldn't he do it here. >> it will be really interesting to watch. it's going to be busy, as we keep noting. ryan, always appreciate it. thank you. "outfront" next, trump showing no sign he intends to drop out of the race, despite being indicted twice. yet as cnn's kay file uncovers, it wasn't actually that long ago trump was saying this. >> we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and ultimately a criminal trial. it would grind government to a halt. plus florida governor ron desantis getting slammed by members of his own party for promoting an ad that's being described as homophobic and desperate. desantis, where does the party stand when it comes to the rights of lgbtq americans?
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tonight, nearly seven years before he himself was indicted, donald trump warned a president under indictment would lead to a governing crisis. that audio from 2016 unearthed by cnn's kay file. take a listen. >> we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and ultimately a occasional trial. it would grind government to a halt. if she were to win, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis that would cripple the operations of our government. >> that of course was donald
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trump as candidate, referring to hillary clinton, who was under federal investigation. now clinton was never indicted. trump, of course, was. he is now facing 37 felony counts for mishandling classified information. "outfront" now is andrew kaszynski, senior editor of cnn's kfile. this isn't a once or twice. this became a pretty consistent narrative in those days, repeatedly warning that this legal cloud hanging over hillary clinton would be a real issue if she was elected. >> yeah, that's right. the president can't effectively govern if they're under felony indictment for mishandling classified information. you just heard donald trump say that six years ago in 2016. and where does he find himself now? under felony indictment for allegedly mishandling classified information. and he didn't just say this once. he said this upwards of six times at the end of that campaign after james comey reopened that investigation into hillary clinton's use of a private email server. listen to this clip here of donald trump talking about how he thought this scandal would
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engulf her presidency. >> her current scandals and controversies will continue throughout her presidency, and we will make it -- honestly, look, it's going to be virtually impossible for her to govern. >> and i think the thing we should probably note about this too is those commentcomments, t "lock her up" chant, that was all about the hillary clinton email scandal. >> and it's important, there are a lot of differences, as we know, about classified information dealing with hillary clinton and that private email server and the classified documents that were found at the former president's mar-a-lago home. you found some comments that i think are also interesting about when trump was saying specifically what he believed his powers were as president when it comes to classified information. >> yeah, that's right. and what's interesting is we have heard that tape that cnn exclusively played. it was in the indictment of trump, talking about how he was
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sharing classified secret information with a group of people. he said, you know, he could not -- he could no longer declassify it. he only could do that as president. and we found actually a similar clip of trump in 2020 making very similar comments, noting that only the president can declassified classified material. listen to this. >> the newspapers and the press and the fake news, they went and said he just gave away classified information. i said no. i will look you right in the eye. first of all, i'm allowed to do it. i'm the president. i'm the only one that's allowed. >> we did reach out to the trump campaign. we asked them about those comments, how they squared what he said so prominently at the end of that 2016 campaign with today, but we didn't hear back from them. >> it will be interesting. let us know if they do. i will be ready to listen. thank you. "outfront" now, van jones, cnn political commentator and
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former senior adviser to president obama, and strategist irina. good to have you with us tonight. when we look at the impact, marc caputo talked to nearly two dozen republican leaders in iowa, and they say the indictments are actually helping donald trump. in fact, here is how one grassroots activist sums it up, saying there is a truly ferocious pro-trump feeling right now. there are so many people who voted for trump in the past and then were going to go for maybe desantis or someone else. then after the indictments, people are wow, no. there is a reason they're out to get him, because he is a threat to the powers that be, and that's a good thing. what's your sense of just how widespread that feeling is outside of iowa? >> you know, the key words there is "out to get him." what i've heard from republican voters coast-to-coast, particularly in places like texas and florida, even out in southern california, they say well something doesn't square up here. are they out to get trump?
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are they finally letting it all add up because it just makes sense right now? they want to keep him away from the white house. so it all trends towards this conspiracy theory notion stuff. and what i find most problematic about it all is moderates are seeming to look at this and scratch their heads and say it is a moment not just does it challenge our consciousness, but it also gives us this question of what does the constitution say about any of this. so in essence what i'm learning from republicans that still sort of are lukewarm about trump is that they're willing to take a chance on him again, because they've got amnesia about the end of his term, about what he was even able to deliver. they just remember the good stuff. and what they're looking now at biden and saying his cognitive ability, his physical ability, it's drawing in contrast. and i think that really makes it so tough for anybody in this gop primary field to come out and really swing at trump when all he does is enjoy these not just blips of sympathy boosts. it seems like a sustained him
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think boost among those that are likely to go for somebody else. and that could be a desantis type. but again, looking at trump and feeling sort of nostalgic for the republican party while we had the white house. >> it's interesting too, because this is really a message that on one level or another trump has been honing now for years, that it's a witch hunt. everybody is out to get me. so gwiven that it's been out there, has a little more fuel in the fire now that he has added to it, van, do you think democrats actually have a plan to count they're message? >> well, i don't think so yet. i think what is not working for democrats is just to continue to point out that he is a rogue, that shea criminal. i think people, half the country think he is a rogue and they don't like it. half the country think he is a rogue and they do like it. so i think what you got to do is point out how donald trump being restored to presidency is going hurt everyday americans. not just sort of be a norm-busting thing, not
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something that offends sensibility of people who want to play by the rules, but how dangerous it will be for everyday americans you. have to draw a line between this reckless conduct in office and now how that's going hurt everyday people. when we do that, we may have a better chance. don't be surprised if he continues to rise in the polls because it's going to tribal identity. people feel like one of their own is under fire and they have to rally to the flag. >> we look at the rest of the field too. i found this interesting. a former republican lawmaker from new hampshire said she was the ideal ron desantis voter until his campaign reposted this video that's gotten so much attention over the last couple days slamming trump for his past sort of lgbtq rights. i want to play a portion of that. >> trans, trans, transgender women compete in miss universe? >> yes. ♪ >> so that video also went on to
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attack donald trump for vowing to protect the lgbtq community that happened in the weeks after the pulse nightclub shooting that killed 49 people. rina, where does the republican party stand today when it comes to support for lgbtq americans? >> well, first, i want to start with my personal vignette. over 15 years ago i got involved with the freedom to marry movement in the republican party, and it was very strong. i want everybody to know that there are not bigots in the republican party writ large. there are a lot of people who worked so hard to make suame se americans could have the freedom. they're still in the party today. what i see happening is when you see politicians come out and push this hot button on making people fearful of where we're going as a country, of our cultural differences now, things that are happening around them such as transgender individuals coming out and wanting to be recognized, and being told that they have the same rights. look, we have no second class citizens in america. but what troubled me the most is
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what the data is showing us. a recent gallup poll showed a dip in support for same sex relationships, and saw it mostly with republicans. overall, 64% of americans say same-sex relationships are morally acceptable. but that's down from 71% in 2022. and when you look at that 64% again, this is from may from gallup, you found 80% of democrats saying same sex relationships are morally respectable, but only 40% of republicans. that's a vast delta. that makes me scared that the message that some of these lawmakers are promulgating is making its way and fearful and making republican voters very fearful of what has to come. again, therefore making it harder for same sex couples to be recognized as full citizens in this country. >> you look at messages that are being put out there. trump is of course also reminding voters about his three supreme court nominees, all of whom weakened lgbtq protections
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by ruling in favor of a christian web designer who refuses to make websites for same-sex marriages. so we see what that messaging is there. and maybe likely to continue. >> well, it's a disgraceful decision on the part of the supreme court. but desantis should be ashamed of himself. anybody who is jumping up and down saying hey, anybody but trump. we want a ron desantis. we think ron desantis can beat trump. we love ron desantis. take those words back, because this guy is worse than trump. ron desantis is worse than donald trump. donald trump was at least trying to open the party up, the republican party up by reaching out to african american voters and gay voters. hey, everybody is welcome here. 99 things you can hate, but that was the one good thing he tried to do. desantis wants to punish him for that. he wants to punish a u.s. president for opening his heart after gays and lesbians were gunned down in a nightclub. you don't punish a u.s. president for that if you're a
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patriot, if you're a human being, if you're a christian, if you're a decent carbon-based being, you don't do that. ron desantis is doing that. ron desantis is trying to punish trump for trying to do something for criminal justice reform, with the first step back, he had 25,000 people come home, and only 12% ever got in trouble again, the most successful reform ever helped the black community. ron desantis wants to punish him for that. ron desantis is trying to punish donald trump for the few good things that he did. ron desantis is despicable. he is disgraceful. this ad is disgraceful. and anybody who was on his bandwagon should apologize and get off immediately. he is worse than trump. >> van jones, rina shah, good to you both with us tonight. thank you. >> thank you. "outfront" next, a deadly attack. israel launching its largest military operation in the west bank in more than 20 years. we're going take you to the region, next. plus, a popular roller coaster shut down tonight after this video you see here, a crack in a crucial support pillar.
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das gold is "outfront." >> reporter: hundreds of israeli soldiers descending on jenin. massive raids supported by air strikes and bulldozers. tanks on the outskirts of the city. the largest incursion into the west bank in two decades since the days of the second intifada. >> we want the break of the camp being a safe haven for terrorists. >> reporter: easier said than done. israeli forces facing stiff resistance. the army bulldozing its way through. air strikes hitting what the military said was terrorist infrastructure. soldiers firing from nearby homes in their hunt for weapons, explosive tunnels, at what they say are militants. palestinian authorities have condemned the raid, call it a new war crime against our defenseless people. >> we renew our and in to the international community of the need to provide urgent international protection for our people and impose sanctions on
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the occupying entity. >> reporter: in jenin, some residents say they were overwhelmed by the sheer force of the israeli attack. >> we're an unarmed people. we don't have anything in the camp to respond to this force. there is nothing safe in the camp. they dug all the streets with bulldozers. >> reporter: the israeli government says it's not at war with palestinians, but with these men, who it blames for violence against israelis. >> our troops are battling the terrorists with unyielding resolve and fortitude, while doing everything, everything to avoid civilian casualties. >> reporter: the latest raid on jenin building on over a year and a half of regular military operations. following a recent wave of palestinian attacks on israelis. but the cycle of violence only intensifying. militant group hamas calling on its members to strike israel by all available means. but for those caught in the crossfire, israel warning the operation will last as long as necessary, even if it says it doesn't want to hold ground.
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>> we are focused on the infrastructure inside the camp. it could be hours. it could be days. >> erica, i was just in jenin yesterday with our team to speak to residents there. and while israeli military raids targeting militants have become a regular occurrence really over the past year or so, and while we were there we could see bullet holes riddling so many buildings and cars, evidence of these sorts of raids and clashes. the residents there today say they have seen nothing like what's happening now, at least in the last two decades or so. and as night fell, the palestinian red cross is saying at least 500 families are now evacuating, fleeing the refugee camp, obviously in fear of what the ensuing hours will bring. while the israeli military are saying that civilians are not their target, they do say this operation could continue for another day or two. erica? >> hadas gold with the very latest for us. hadas, thank you. "outfront" next, i'll speak with the man who shot this video. it shows a large crack in a
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tonight, inspectors on the scene at a north carolina amusement park after a crack was spotted in a roller coaster support pillar. 325 feet high, takes riders as fast as 95 miles an hour. jeremy wagner was at the park when he noticed the crack. he took this video that you're watching right now. he joins us. he's "outfront." you noticed this issue. you were in the parking lot, happened to look up and see it. your kids love this ride, as far as i know. they had ridden it several times that day, i believe eight times for your daughter and your niece. what went through your head auz looked up and you realized there was a crack there? >> i thought it was a joke. and then i started looking at the other pillars, and i'm like, no, that's legit. i can see light through that crack. and to think i had pulled up front and my kids had texted me they were on the way out. i pulled up front to pick them
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up. i went out of the park about 30 minutes early to pull the vehicle down, and as i was waiting on them, i saw the crack. then when the car came by, i saw that shift, and i jumped out of the truck and started -- took a couple of pictures. the kids walked up, and they're like, what are you doing? i was like, look, you were just on that. and they were like, oh, my. kind of like a regular 13, 14-year-old reaction. >> do you -- they had ridden it so many times, did they say to you that they noticed a difference in the ride as the day went on? did anything feel off to them? >> no. and i don't know if it really would or not. but they didn't say they noticed anything. and even after the fact, people may be like, we rode it multiple times and be like, actually i do remember that. but they didn't mention any. >> you showed the video you took to several employees at the park. you were understandably concerned, but you didn't really feel a sense of urgency.
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and it appears that it wasn't until you called the local fire department that the ride was actually shut down. have you heard from anybody at the park? have they spoken to you, talked to you, about what they're doing and what went wrong? >> no. i haven't heard a thing. and it was a sense of urgency. i felt there was no urgency in any of the employees. and even after they had me air drop the video, the guest services person walked off and said, i'll send this to somebody. and they just turned around and walked off, nonchalant. and i looked around -- i was in a room of about 15 park goers, and i just wanted to be like, y'all need to turn around and leave. but i didn't say anything. it's not my place. i was hoping they would do the proper thing and shut the ride down. as i walked back out to the vehicle and left, the ride was still going, and i called the fire department when i got back to town because i knew if anything happened, charlotte
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fire would be responding. and if they -- if anything, they could ride over and take a look to see if they should shut the ride down. >> the park has said safety is the top priority, rides are inspected every day. do you have any reservations about either you or your kids getting back on the rides at that park? >> you know, i've been asked that at every interview, and actually i've got friends coming in from out of town next week. and we had plans to go. that day i was there, i was sending in pictures of the park and the rides and stuff for what we do next week. so, i'm planning on still going back. i don't have any reservations. i would like to trust there's safety protocols in place. >> let us know. stay in touch. let us know how it goes and let us know if you hear anything from the park. i'll be interested to see if they reach out. jeremy, thank you for taking the time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. "outfront" next, we're learning about an ominous email
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troubling details emerging tonight about the doomed "titan" submersible. according to "the new yorker," david lockridge, who was employed by oceangate, was so concerned about the safety that he sent an email to stockton rush. writing, i don't want to be seen as a tattle tale, but i'm so worried he kills himself and others in an attempt to boost his ego. rush died when the oceangate sub imploded on the trip to the "titanic." thank you for joining us. thank you for joining us. "ac 360" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com one of the world's longest standing hotspots is heating up. john berman here in for anderson. tonight on "360," troops on the move and m
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