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troubling details emerging tonight about the doomed "titan" submersible. according to "the new yorker," david lockridge, who was employed by oceangate, was so concerned about the safety that he sent an email to stockton rush. writing, i don't want to be seen as a tattle tale, but i'm so worried he kills himself and others in an attempt to boost his ego. rush died when the oceangate sub imploded on the trip to the "titanic." thank you for joining us. thank you for joining us. "ac 360" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com one of the world's longest standing hotspots is heating up. john berman here in for anderson. tonight on "360," troops on the move and major air strikes on a
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camp that israel calls a safe haven -- the latest on israel's biggest strike on the west bank in two decades. also tonight, is ron desantis openly advertising intolerance. his campaign puts out a video which it literally says is to wrap up pride month, slamming donald trump for being too accepting of lgbtq americans. later, the little salvadoran girl who was torn from her mother at the southern border. how she and her mom are doing now and the american life they are trying to build now. we begin the israel's combined air and ground attack on jenin and the west bank, specifically the refugee camp there. according to israel, the camp is known to be a haven for militants. that said, it's densely populated in the middle of a crowded city, packed with civilians n a conflict that is once again dangerously flaring
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up. cnn's hadas gold is there tonight. >> reporter: i was in jenin yesterday. but today it's a different story. residents saying they haven't seen scenes like they're seeing in two decades. this is turning into the largest israeli military operation since 2002. these were the days of the second intifada. it began overnight around 1:00 a.m. with air strikes carried out by drones, the israeli military saying they carried out these strikes targeting militants. but since then, there have been hundreds of israeli soldiers entering the camp. bulldozers have been taking to the streets to rip them up, they say in order to remove ieds they say are under the pavement. and even on the outskirts of jenin, tanks, israeli military tanks, have been seen. they have not entered the city itself. but that is so reminiscent of the violent days of the second
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intifada, when israeli tanks were taking to the streets of pal sten yan cities in the west bank. at least eight palestinians have been ill canned so far, and more than 100 have been injured. and i should warn that these numbers could be changing, especially as this operation, john, is ongoing. there are still ongoing fire fights in the city, even as we speak. and they are expected to continue overnight, potentially even for another day or so. however, the israeli military saying that at least eight of those killed, they say, were all combatants, they were all armed. the israeli military is acknowledging there were civilians amongst the more than 100 injured. and they are acknowledging that their actions in the camp have affected vital services like the electricity and like the water. the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu was speaking at an event at the u.s. embassy, saying the operation will continue, saying they're doing everything they can to avoid civilian casualties, but saying
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jenin has become a safe haven for militants and that they are not going to allow that to happen. >> i keep looking at these images, and you're so right. i haven't seen anything reminiscent of this in two full decades. what are the israeli forces saying about where this goes from here? >> well, john, the israeli forces are saying that they will continue this operation as long as they believe necessary to achieve their targets. they say they are targeting militant command centers. they say they've already tar targeted weapons manufacturing sites, as well as tunnels they say they found underneath a mosque. and what is happening right now in the camp is that hundreds of these families in the refugee camp are fleeing the camp overnight because they have been hearing, and as we have been hearing from the israeli military, that this operation could continue for another day or so. and these families, they have essentially been under siege in this refugee camp.
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because even if they are of course not the targets, they are civilians, they are so directly affected because the fire fights are happening on their streets, the bulldozers are tearing up the streets, making many of them impassable. so, these families are now fleeing. they're refugees once again from a refugee camp. >> hadas gold, please keep us posted. thank you so much. let's go to the white house now and cnn's jeremy diamond. jeremy, what is the white house saying about this military operation? >> reporter: well, not very much, john. but they are actively monitoring the situation both here at the white house's national security council as well as at the state department, closely monitoring the situation, not only for reports of casualties, how many are civilian casualties. those are the types of things this white house pays attention to. they are reaffirming israel's right to defend itself against terrorist organizations and it is, quote, imperative to -- to
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prevent civilian lives. this is a white house that's very much mindful of the possibility of escalation here. we know the politics in the region right now can be very combustible. and certainly every time there is a flare-up like this, this is a white house that very much turns the focus on seeing how they can try and avoid any broader escalation of the situation, whether it is between israel and the militants in the gaza strip or militants in the west bank. >> jeremy, what is the extent of communication right now between u.s. and israeli officials? >> reporter: you just heard hadas say that the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu was at the u.s. embassy today, and the u.s. ambassador, tom nighs, was right by his side. there always is communication between u.s. and israeli officials around these types of incidents. what remains to be seen is what the effect is on this administration's other priorities as it affects the region.
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not only the possibility of escalation between israel and palestinian militants, but this is also an administration that hasn't pursued a full two-state solution process. instead, they have focused on trying to do confidence building measures on both sides. they have brought officials together. we are seeing this kind of operation that could potentially undermine that small and steady progress. the u.s. has also been focused on trying to normalize relations between israel and saudi arabia, and the secretary of state, tony blinken, just last month warned that continued violence between israel and the palestinians could potentially undermine the possibility of all of that progress. saudi arabia has made very clear that progress on the palestinian issue is necessary if that normalization is ever to take root. >> jeremy diamond at the white house, where there are no doubt watchful and wary eyes tonight. thank you, jeremy. now, what could be a serious development in the special counsel's probe of former president trump, we now know
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specifics about another call trump made to another state in search for votes. georgia, meet arizona. just as special counsel jack smith appears to be ramping up his look into the effort to overturn the 2020 election, cnn has learned that mr. trump called arizona's then-governor at the time doug ducey to put the squeeze on him. in fact, there's even video of him trying to reach the governor, unsuccessfully in this instance, as he signs papers certified president biden's victory. the ring tone you hear here is "hail to the chief." ♪ >> so, when he finally reached governor ducey, a source familiar with the call tells us that the former president did talk about the results, and a source with knowledge says he
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pressured ducey to find fraud that would help him reverse his defeat. separately, "the washington post" reports that mr. trump spoke specifically about his margin of defeat, more than 10,000 votes, then talked about a range of false claims which he said showed he overwhelmly won, and encouraged governor ducey to look at them. former vice president was pressured as well, here's what he said about it to margaret brennan of cbs. >> no, look, i don't remember any pressure. look, the president and i -- things came to a head at the end. i've spoken about it very openly. and the president and i continue to have a strong difference. i'll always believe that by god's grace i did my duty under the constitution that day in presiding over a joint session of congress in the aftermath of the mayhem and the rioting. >> he also said, quote, i did check in with not only governor
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ducey but other governors in states that were going through the legal process of reviewing their election results. but there was no pressure involved. with us now, cnn legal analyst jennifer rogers and senior political analyst david gergen. david, let me start with you here. where would a call like this or how might a call like this to governor ducey cross a line if it did? >> well, john, it's not so much that this particular call would be illegal or cross statutory line. but this special counsel, jack smith, charges trump and others with a broad ranging conspiracy to overturn the election -- really just a conspiracy against the united states -- this would be one of many, many strong pieces of evidence. so, it's really more of a building block than a chargeable event in and of itself. but just like the raffensperger call, i mean, you have testimony in this case about trump saying, we need this many votes. so, all of this just goes into the pot of evidence showing they have this illegal motive and that they, meaning trump and his
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allies, conspired to overturn the election. >> because it's part of a pattern? >> well, just because it goes to the conspiracy. so, conspiracy is an agreement between two people or more to do some illegal objective. the illegal objective is this overturning of the election. and this is a piece of evidence that he and others were on the same page and they were taking action to try to get that done. >> david, you ever sit back and think, you know, obviously raffensperger in georgia didn't go find the votes that trump asked him to. governor ducey obviously didn't go try to overthrow anything in arizona. you ever sit and think about what would have happened had they done something? >> if they had actually changed votes? >> yeah, what would have happened? >> if they put pressure? >> yeah. what would have happened to the country had he found a receptive audience? >> if he'd had a receptive audience, i will tell you when everything -- when all the facts
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were to come out, it would be like nixon and the tapes. and that is, when the tapes finally came out, it undid the nixon administration, and he resigned shortly thereafter. in this case, if you really could build up the idea that there was serious efforts to twist arms, to do so in illegal or conspiratorial ways, and that continues to build up, i think it could burst on it before the election and have a real impact when it comes out. i don't think trump is out of the woods. even though his poll numbers are not only staying up, they've actually been strengthened some. he's not out of the woods, john, by a long shot. >> you worked in four different white houses, including richard nixon's. >> yep. >> can you conceive of a president doing this after election day, calling not one but two, at least, election officials saying, hey, do something for me here if you can? >> no. no. and even richard nixon in 1960
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when he ran against john f. kennedy and lost by a very narrow margin, there were all sorts of rumors and allegations that the votes hadn't come in from chicago and mayor daley bumped the system up would have cost nixon the election. nixon himself in one of the more patriotic moments of his life said, no, we're not going to contest this election. the country deserves to have a smooth transition, and he ensured that to be the case. and donald trump -- i mean, you can'tout-nixon nixon very easily, but donald trump has. >> so, jennifer, according to "the washington post," the former arizona governor, doug ducey, has said, he is surprised he has not been contacted by special counsel jack smith. if that's the case, if smith hasn't contacted him, can you explain that? >> well, i'm a little surprised too. i mean, previously, it was recorded that they had spoken. but apparently the content of
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that conversation hadn't come out. so, it would be more surprising if now jack smith doesn't try to talk to doug ducey at this time. but it is true that they've been, from the very beginning -- and this has changed in the last couple of months -- but a little bit behind the curve, right? doj let georgia go first in their investigation. they let the january 6th investigation go first with the broader plot. before jack smith came in, there was a little bit of a lackadaisical attitude, it seems, which has now been remedied. it seems they're now going gang busters. >> with ducey, apparently there is no tape. with raffensperger, obviously we've all heard the recording of the trump call there. how much does it matter there is apparently no tape of the call with ducey? >> prosecutors love tapes. there's no evidence than listening to the defendant in his own words, his own voice commit a crime. this is the kind of witness on the stand, swearing the oath and
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telling them what happened in this conversation. so, it's very strong evidence. not as good as a tape. but very typical and very believable. >> we heard, david, mike pence talk about his differences with donald trump on this matter. >> yep. >> do you think any of the other republican candidates will be brave enough to condemn the phone call with doug ducey? >> it all depends on what ducey has to say, of course. if he comes out and throws cold water on this, then i don't think it goes anywhere. if he, on the other hand, hints broadly before he were to talk to jack smith that his arm was twisted heavily, then, yeah, i think that's going to make a major difference in how people view all this. what i can't understand is why ducey hasn't spoken up already. it does seem to me he owed it to everybody to put the truth out there before he went to see jack smith. >> david, jennifer, thank you as well. still ahead tonight, a video
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shared by the ron desantis campaign at the end of pride month that some guy republicans are calling homophobic. it comes as he is battling former president trump to win culture war votes in the race for the republican nomination for president. also tonight, the latest on a manhunt af two died and dozens were wounded at a block party in maryland. your best defense against erosion and cavities is strong enamel- nothing beats it. new pronamel active shield actively shields the enamel to defenagainst erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a actively shields the enamel gamechanger for my patients- it really works.
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a video posted at the end of pride month by the desantis campaign is being called, quote,
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divisive and desperate by the log cabin republicans. it slams former president trump for his vow to protect lgbtq rights as desantis tries to position himself to the right of trump in the eyes of some of the republican party. here's a clip. >> in the future, can transgender women compete in miss universe? yes. >> make america great again. psych! ♪ ♪ >> in response to the criticism, a spokeswoman for the desantis campaign called pride month, quote, unnecessary, divisive pandering. this video is reposted the same day that trump, desantis, and other candidates appeared at the moms for liberty conference in philadelphia this weekend. the group was formed in 2021 in florida and has grown into a
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national force on education for the right. and despite ties to desantis, the crowd showed a lot of enthusiasm for the former president. i'm joined now by senior political commentator, scott jennings, and marta -- managing editor of "axios." scott, why? why do you think the desantis campaign thought that this video would help them? >> well, they didn't create it. they did retweet it, i think, from one of their accounts. but ultimately for them it's about continuing to build a brand which they think is centered on desantis being a reliable conservative, which they're trying to juxtapose against trump being momentarily interested in paying lip service to things but ultimately not strong enough to follow through on things. so, i think they've done that on this issue now. they've done it on immigration. they've done it on several other to
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topics. i would expect them to continue to do that. also i think they are looking ahead this week. they're trying to launch this coalition, which they're calling mamas for desantis, which is an initiative from his wife, casey. and they're going to really drill down on his record on taking sexualized content out of the classroom and the idea of protecting girls sports from boys playing in girls sports. this is part of the desantis brand. i'm not surprised they did it. it might be one of the better news cycles they've had in the past few weeks. >> you think this is a good news cycle for them, the response to this? saying tolerance is too much? >> well, if you're thinking about the context of a republican primary, one of the key things about winning a news cycle is who's mad at you. donald trump mastered this in '16 and sort of throughout his presidency. who's mad at ron desantis right now? media is mad. democrats are mad. pete buttigieg was on cnn. he was mad. all the people you would want to have mad at you -- having all
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the right enemies matters in a republican primary, and they are collecting it with this news cycle. when you compare what they're getting now, versus what they've been getting over the last couple of weeks, which is a lot of people crapping on their campaign, i would say they judge this as a successful venture versus what they've had over the past couple of weeks. >> margaret, what do you think of that? >> it's a pretty mean-spirited ad, so it's clearly a play for the base. and it's a calculation that desantis and donald trump are both making that the real right flank of the base is going to be what matters and where this primary is decided. but, of course once you emerge from a primary election, you have to run a general election. there are a lot of centrists and suburban republicans and independents who are going to be offended by the spirit of that ad. so, it's certainly a risky calculation. and coming out of pride month, glad the advocacy group has said that seven out of ten americans want companies to support the lgbtq community.
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gallup has been showing for years the rise and support for same-sex marriage. it's now something like 70%, 75% of americans say same-sex marriages should have the same rights as traditional marriage. i think it's a calibration question. but this is showing you that desantis is ready to do whatever it takes in the primaries, not thinking about the general election right now. >> you know, just as a matter of fact, one of the clips shown of donald trump in this commercial was of him speaking out in favor of tolerance for lgbtq rights, like, a month after the pulse night club shooting. that's a historical reference for when trump was talking there. is that the type of thing that could be problematic for desantis come general election time, if he gets that far, margaret? >> it just shows you how far donald trump has moved from the 2016 contest to now two cycles later because you would -- i dare say not hear donald trump make the same appeals to caitlyn jenner, the same appeals to the lgbtq community, certainly not
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during the primary election this time around. >> scott, we talked in the intro here. we mentioned this conference this past weekend where both desantis and trump both spoke. this should have been a particularly desantis friendly crowd. and he did well there by all accounts. but our friend, jackie, who was covering the event, said desantis got a good reception. trump got an up roarious, boisterous, huge, reception. that's somehow no matter how hard he tries, he can't generate this kind of excitement. >> well, look, donald trump is doing well. he's winning the republican primary. he's gone up a few points over the last few weeks. for desantis, though, part of his issue is not just taking on donald trump. it's trying to close out everybody else, sort of that bracket of the republican primary, getting that field cleared for the right to then go on and take on the final boss, donald trump.
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so, for desantis, to me, the key issue is not what the applause level is for trump right now. it's what's the applause level for mike pence, tim scott, nikki haley, and how do i get them out of the race? because ultimately you'll never be able to rise up if you can't get these other non-trump candidates to move on. they haven't done that yet. there's obviously some time for that. that's really the principal issue for him at the moment, clearing the rest of the field, consolidating them behind him, and making sure they don't go to trump when they do p drop out. >> happy almost fourth of july to both of you. >> thanks, john. >> god bless america. we'll stay on the topic of governor desantis and female voters. ellie reed talks with female voters from various parts of the country who say they bonded online over the desantis record on covid.
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it's important to note that the so-called anti-woke strategy of ron desantis does have a -- backgrounds but also bonded online over their appreciate of the now-presidential candidate and his actions surrounding covid. >> if desantis were to run tomorrow, he would win. and that would be such a hard pill to swallow, i think, for many people. >> back in 2021, vanessa was the first person who told me she was a fan of florida governor ron desantis and that there were more like her. when we first spoke to you in 2021, you mentioned that you had this group of mom friends that you met on twitter who were just obsessed with desantis. and it just stuck in my mind for
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years. >> he would just do stuff and say stuff with this conviction. we were all like, thank you. >> did you guys have a nick name for him. >> daddy desantis. i mean, it's all joking. >> of course. >> because we're, like, desperate women who had tried everything we could do in our own power and our own communities, and we weren't getting anywhere. >> he was very vocal starting in the summer of 2020 about the need to open schools in particular. >> during the covid lockdowns in 2020, these frustrated moms built a twitter network of moms angry about closed schools and difficulty of home schooling. they were from all over the country, but saw desantis as a model of what they wanted in their cities. >> when i started advocating for kids to go back in person, i was called a granny killer, a teacher killer, selfish. >> on twitter. >> it was awful. >> steincamp is a teacher in dallas and warned early on that
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lockdowns would hurt kids, especially poor kids. >> we can't forget our most vulnerable, and we've created the single largest inequality generator in a generation by having some schools opened, some schools closed. >> reporter: she connected with -- who moved her family from san francisco to denver in early 2021 so she could send her kids to school in person. >> we found a community online. and i found it interesting that she was a teacher that was advocating for in-person school. in san francisco you could go to a bar or a strip club, but i high school student couldn't go to english class. >> the company told npr undermined safety policies and sowed confusion. >> 90% of what i wrote about was playgrounds and schools and there's nothing embarrassing about that. >> there were several active group chat where is the moms shared about desantis. they travelled to each others'
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homes. many had been life long democrats, including judy hammill, who has three kids and lives near l.a. >> you voted for obama. >> yes, twice. >> did you vote for biden? >> yes. i have never voted for a republican presidential candidate. i have always considered myself very socially liberal. but as we became more vocal on twitter, we were really demonized. >> in 2022, she ran for school board in palace verdes and won. >> they aren't crazy. data from the education department shows kids have been hurt by long-term home learning. desantis was early to open schools compared to other u.s. states but not the world. many european countries went back under national policies. in may 2020 for example, a finland health official cited data that kids didn't play a significant role in spreading the virus.
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but in the last two years, desantis has launched his presidential campaign and focused more on the culture war. >> we will make sure as president, we leave woke ideology in the dust bin of history, where it belongs. >> the twitter backlash they experienced made these women more receptive to parts of desantis' fight against wokeness, but not all of it. >> i'm wondering if you think that desantis' very public war on woke distracts from the message that you like about him? >> a little bit, i do. yeah. to be honest, i do feel like it would be really good to have a big public debate about what did we get wrong in covid. >> the left doesn't want to have that debate. they're never going to allow that debate. i think there's a lot of incendiary tactics being used to smear him. i think -- >> he did sign a law that restricts transgender care for adults as well as kids. >> i have greater concerns about the six-week abortion ban.
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>> tell me about that. >> you know, i think if he made it clear that he's a states' rights person and he's not looking to pass a national law in this regard, i would be less concerned. >> not everyone in their twitter orbit agrees on his tactics, but these three do think florida's new six-week abortion ban is bad. >> i think that's dangerous. that's something that i cannot get behind. and i don't think that's going to bode well for his presidential campaign. i think that that might be a real impediment to bringing in moderate women. >> none of these women like the idea of a 2024 rematch between biden and trump. they're open to voting for desantis but are not sold. >> so, there's been criticism from republicans that desantis is, like, too online, that his campaign is too influenced by stuff that's popping online but isn't affecting people and their lives. so, someone struggling to pay
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their bills isn't thinking about pronouns. is it possible that's true? >> oh, i don't think so. i've been down all over florida, and you know what they all say? he helped my buzz open up. he helped my kid goss to school. the media just fixates on the culture war pieces. >> is it possible that you're too online? >> for sure in the beginning but not anymore. do i need to fight with some random online? no. >> i would love to be off twitter, but i feel like there are discussions that need to be had. for all the bad that comes with it, there's also a good. i've connected with all of these like-minded women who are not alt-right demons. they're moms who have been unseen and unheard. >> elle reeve, cnn, dallas. >> our thanks to elle for that. next, a live report in baltimore on the search for a gunman who opened fire on a neighborhood block party. that and the latest on the severely wounded victims and two who did not make it.
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authorities in baltimore are searching for multiple suspects in a mass shooting at a block party over the weekend. two people were killed, more than two dozen were hurt, several of them critically wounded by shooters who remain at large tonight. details from cnn's danny freeman. >> reporter: surveillance video taken early sunday morning captured people running for their lives, as gunfire broke out in baltimore's brooklyn
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neighborhood. >> we won't stop until we find those responsible and hold them accountable. we won't. >> reporter: 28 people were injured, including 15 children under the age of 18. 18-year-old aaliyah gonzales and 20-year-old kylis fagbemi were killed during the shooting. >> it was frightening. praying for protection for this community. >> reporter: police say the crime scene stretches multiple blocks and they have not made an arrest but believe there were multiple shooters. >> we are still looking at every casing. we have multiple casings from one caliber weapon. but that doesn't mean every one came from that same weapon. >> reporter: police also fear this shooting could lead to even more gun violence. >> we're always concerned about retaliation at every single incident. >> reporter: and today baltimore mayor brandon scott called for stronger gun laws.
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>> this is not just a baltimore thing. we have to be honest. this is the united states of america. this is our longest-standing public health challenge, and we need to focus on gun violence regardless of where it happens. >> reporter: john, now, at this point, there is a $28,000 reward for any information leading to the arrest and charges in this case. and the city said that they are really relying on tips from the public in order to crack this case open. i also just want to take a moment to look ahead. remember this holiday weekend is still not over yet, and there are still large events expected to happen here in baltimore in the next 24 hours. but the mayor said, and i quote, we are gearing up every resource at our disposal to ensure the actual fourth of july holiday itself is safe. john? >> let's hope. danny freeman, thank you so much. up next, a little girl whose anguish of being separated from her mother touched our hearts
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over the weekend, another bus with migrants arrived in los angeles from texas. this time 41 people, mostly from central and south america, were on board, including 11 children. for months, thousands of migrants have been bussed from texas and florida to democratic-led cities, including los angeles, new york, and washington, d.c. five years ago, during the trump administration, you will likely remember the thousands of migrant families were forcibly separated at the u.s./mexico border as part of a so-called zero tolerance approach to the crisis. adults were detained and children held in other locations m of them crying for their parents. tonight our gary tuchman has an update on one of those children.
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>> reporter: this 11-year-old girl enjoying an astros baseball game in houston may have done more than anyone to shock the nation's conscience when thousands of parents were separated from their children during the trump administration. [ crying ] >> reporter: the child who is el salvadoran in the secretly recorded video was madrid when he she was six years old. after three weeks in custody, she and her mother were reunited with each other. they move in with texas relatives. mother and daughter don't know any english. >> are you happy today? [ speaking non-english ] >> reporter: exactly five years af they were separated, this is
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himina today. >> are you a happy girl today? >> yes, i am. >> how come? >> well, i feel like the united states has provided me with a lot of good stuff that i wasn't provided with in my old country. and i just feel like here i have better opportunities to take. and i can be a successful person in here. >> she just graduated from a houston elementary school and will be heading to middle school. here she is, radiant following the ceremony with her mother and cindy's partner, alfredo, whom cindy met since she's been in texas. and earlier this year, she welcomed a sister, ilene. cindy and himina left el salvador in a month long journey to the u.s. af cindy says her boyfriend was shot and killed while she was walking with them. the 34-year-old has a u.s. government work visa and has started her own business
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cleaning houses. [ speaking non-english ] what is your dream? >> reporter: cindy says, my dream is to see my daughters grow up, go to school, and be confident in themselves that they live in a safe place and not be afraid for their lives. but here's the thing. while cindy has that work visa, she has not had a court hearing yet to decide if she gets asylum. the immigration attorney, who has championed their case, is thelma garcia. >> there is no finality. there is still fear involved. the family is afraid that they are going to be sent back to el salvador. so, their nightmare continues. >> if you could talk to the political leaders who make decisions like this about who gets sent back and who stays, what would you say to them as an 11-year-old girl? >> i would say to please let us say because i promise that we're not bad people. we're not people that want to harm others. we're here to have a better life
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and hopefully the be better persons that can help the country in the future. >> reporter: cindy says, i have never lost hope that someday they will let us know we can be here legally. but i am still afraid i can go back to my country. >> what do you want to do when you grow up? >> i'm still not sure. but right now i really feel like i would be a good book writer because i write a lot. and i feel like i'm a very creative person. so, i would like to be a book writer. >> that's wonderful. would you write in spanish in or english or both? >> both. definitely both. >> john, there are still hundreds of migrant families who are separated, according to the aclu, potentially a thousand families. the typical scenario is a parent or parents got sent back to
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their home countries before they met up with their child or children, then ended up going to a relative, a foster home, or perhaps to a guardian. and the families had plans to come back to the united states, and it is not an easy thing for them to do. and they remain separated. john? >> what a journey in so many different ways. thank you so much for that. turning to the holiday, cnn's july 4th special returns. celebrate with spectacular fireworks and the biggest musical performances around. don't miss the zach brown band and others. mark the fourth in america right here on cnn. we can't forget tomorrow's other big event. nathan's famous fourth of july hot dog eating contest. the reigning champ, joey chestnut, is hoping to get his 16th win tomorrow. tonight on the contest eve, he dishes on how he prepares for the competition and how many hot dogs he hopes to devour in just ten minutes.
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fireworks and barbecue gatherings on the fourth of july. but don't forget nathan's famous hot dog eating contest on brooklyn coney island. thousands are expected to cheer as people chow down as many franks as they can in ten minutes. joey chestnut, the king of professional eating -- and yes, that is a thing -- is the reigning champ. he is hoping to win again and take home his 16th mustard belt. joey, do you even like hot dogs? >> oh, man, i love them. it's one of the best foods there is. and on the fourth of july, there's nothing better. >> when you go out to eat on your own when you're not in season, do you ever order hot dogs? >> at a baseball game, not all the time, but i'll try -- i'm almost doing one every inning in a baseball game. i love them. >> so, it's not like you separate work from pleasure. it's just non-stop. there's never an off season in
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the hot dog eating business. >> it's -- i love them actually. but when i'm eating them at home, i'm not dunking them in wa water. and i'm not eating to the point where i'm uncomfortable. >> so, you've won 15 out of the last 16 contests. this is contest eve. what are you doing today to get ready for this? how do you prepare? >> oh, today i had an apple. i had a little bit of salad. i had some protein supplement. but i had lots of liquid. i'm going to go into the contest tomorrow empty, loose, happy, healthy. last year, i had a broken leg. this year i put a lot of work into recovering that leg and rehabbing it and just getting back into good shape so i can push myself to the extreme limit tomorrow. >> when you eat vegetables, does your body just say, no, what are you doing? i don't want any of this? >> no. it's not -- i'm not anti-vegetable at all.
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actually this year i did a three-week detox, a vegan detox. last year i had so many infections, i took a crazy amount of antibiotics. so, i had to do a crazy detox to get my body back to even. vegetables are great. and some people are against them, but i'm definitely not. >> i like the fact that you're not anti-vegetable. you're vegetable inclusive. you just like everything. you just like hot dogs in great quantities. how do you feel after eating so many hot dogs at once? and you were just talking about the detox and the antibiotics. how long does it take you to recover? zb >> it takes a while. a football player, tom brady, he goes into a football game knowing he's going to get hit. i know that after this contest, i'm not going to feel great. it's going to take about four days to feel really normal. and the first 12 hours after the contest, i'm going to feel like garbage. so, i go in knowing that, and i'm willing to go through that because it's an amazing contest.
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it's fourth of july, and i'm going to do what it takes to get number 16. >> victory does cost. there's no question about that. in 2021, you set the record, 76 hot dogs in ten minutes. what are you shooting for in this one? do you think you will win it again? >> oh, i think i can pull off the win. and if the conditions are right, i find a mean, nasty rhythm, a record is possible. the crowd is -- it's an amazing crowd. coney island. and they're going to be pushing me and supporting me, and i'm going to do whatever i can to deliver. >> 80? possible? >> 80 is -- oh, my gosh. i didn't practice. things would have to be perfect. and i'm not saying -- you know what? it's possible. and that's the way -- i try not to limit myself and say anything is impossible. but 80 is going to be tough. but it's -- i can do it, i think. >> if you dream it, you can do it. joey chestnut, god speed, and
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