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good morning, everyone. happy fourth of july. happy 247th birthday the united states of america. there's a lot of news on this fourth of july. audie cornish is here with me. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you for being here. five things to know on this holiday tuesday. five people are dead, two children are injured, including a toddler after police say a man with a bullet proof vest and ar-15 style weapon carried out a mass shooting in the streets of philadelphia. this morning, a suspect is in custody and police are looking for a motive. also new this morning, russia claims ukraine attacked moscow with five drones. the russian defense ministry says it intercepted them, calling it a terrorist attack. kyiv has yet to respond. also, a new challenge over how harvard admits students. this time the university's legacy admissions program faces a civil rights complaint. lawyers complain the program overwhelmingly benefits white applicants days after supreme court gutted affirmative action in college admissions. america's big birthday,

republican vocandidates are reaching out to its voters. there are several storms, high heat putting cookouts nationwide at stake. american's brace for extreme weather coast to coast. "cnn this morning" starts right now. and we're going to start this morning with breaking news out of ft. worth, texas, eight people are injured and two are dead after a mass shooting at a fourth of july celebration. no one is in custody right now. we're still getting details on that mass shooting, but we are turning to another mass shooting overnight, this one out of philadelphia. police say at least five people are now dead, two are injured after heavily armed gunman wearing a bullet proof vest opened fire on the city streets. investigators say the suspect had an ar-15-style weapon, a

handgun, a police skaern and multiple magazines of ammo packed in his body armor when police officers arrested him in an alley. danny freeman is live outside philadelphia police headquarters. danny, it's horrifying in terms of the details we know so far. what more are we learning about the suspect? >> reporter: well, phil, to be perfectly honest, we're not learning that much more about the suspect this morning. police have confirmed to us, of course, there is one primary suspect. he's in his 40s. he was taken into custody last night and he was wearing body armor and carrying multiple guns, as you just said. but police still asking the questions themselves at this point, why did he open fire last night. phil, i want to talk about what we do know about this shooting. basically this all started around 8:30 last night. philadelphia police got a call regarding multiple gunshot victims in southwest philadelphia. when officers arrived, they found multiple gunshot victims but also heard more gunshots.

and philadelphia police commissioner daniel outlaw describes officers basically chasing the sound of gunshots and the ultimate gunman through several blocks of this neighborhood late last evening. ultimately they were able to find the gunman, after rehend him without firing a shot. but i want you to listen to what police commissioner outlaw said when that moment came when they apprehended this suspect. >> our officers were able to apprehend the male in the rear alley of 1600 frazier street. and when they did, this male was wearing a bullet proof vest, with multiple magazines in the vest, he also had a scanner and an ar-style rifle and a handgun underneath his body. he was taken into custody without further incident. >> reporter: now, phil, commissioner outlaw also initially said there were vix victims, four who died and two other injured children.

police discovered overnight a seventh victim, a fifth person who was killed. basically a man came out of his apartment while police were out canvassing certain areas of that neighborhood and said, someone inside is also dead. police told us overnight that that was related to this shooting. and phil, i want to say, there actually was a second person taken into custody that the police commissioner said picked up a gun and started returning fire at the gunman, but that's not again primary suspect in this case. one thing i'll add as well, i just want to bear in mind, this is a large crime scene, phil. there were more than 50 shell casings on the ground when police got on scene last night. again, we're going to be looking for updates today as this story develops. that's the latest from here in philadelphia. phil? >> keep us posted on the updates danny freeman, thank you so much. now new signs of the ukrainian offensive unfold near moscow. russia claims they intercepted

five ukrainian drones. russia is offering a fairly powerful description of the encounter calling it a, quote, thwarted terrorist attack. ben wedeman is live in eastern ukraine. how is kyiv responding? >> reporter: kyiv is responding with a certain amount of sarcasm given the russian -- the foreign ministry, the russian foreign ministry spokeswoman saying this was a case of international terrorism. we just got a statement from an adviser to the ukrainian president that says, the russian foreign ministry should realize that a terrorist attack is when you have been deliberately firing crews and ballistic areas and crowded pizzerias for 16 months. certainly obviously the ukrainians aren't going to accept responsibility for this incident in moscow, but certainly it is somewhat ironic that russia, a country that has launched a full-scale invasion of ukraine since february of

last year, is complaining about a few drones over moscow. now, according to information we have, there were five drones in the moscow metropolitan area. four were brought down by air defenses. one by electronic warfare means. now, as a result of these drones which didn't cause any damage or injury to people, the 14 flights at one of the four airports in moscow were diverted. that, according to the news agency. and of course it's important to keep in mind, this isn't the first time that drones of unknown origin have been sighted over moscow. in may there was an incident where, in fact, one drone, the kremlin claimed, exploded over the kremlin itself. the russians alleged that it was an assassination attempt against vladimir putin.

audie? >> the context for this of course, is the counteroffensive that ukraine has been running the last couple weeks. so are we looking at retaliation or a possibility this is part of that effort? >> reporter: it's hard to say. the ukrainians have been involved without a source unknowing whether they were behind today's incident in moscow. but they have done a variety of things. they are aimed to sort of undermine public confidence in the ability of moscow to actually run the country. so, for instance, there have been cross border incursions into russia. there have been regular drone attacks on -- across the border in areas in southern russia. therefore this is really more than anything part of a psychological warfare effort against the russians. it goes back quite some time. so it's hard to say whether this is part of the counteroffensive, but it's definitely an attempt to just shake the confidence of

the russian public in their leadership. >> ben wedeman, thank you. this morning we're firmly in the shake hands, kiss babies portions of the republican primary. ron desantis, mike pence, tim scott, other gop presidential hopefuls are hitting the campaign trail on this fourth of july. that where we find our own omar jimenez, in new hampshire, where three candidates are set to participate in the same parade. i hope they're not all on the same float. omar, where is the republican field going to be throughout the course of the day? >> reporter: yeah, phil. look, if there was ever a doubt that we're in campaign season, you look no further than parades with presidential candidates all at the same parade. that's what we're going to see today here in new hampshire and merrimac later today. we will see florida governor, ron desantis, south carolina senator tim scott and will hurd, doug bergman and more once this

gets going to celebrate the fourth of july but also campaign, what's more american than that. others like former president donald trump, they're expected to at least have a campaign presence here is what they say. we'll see what that actually means when this happens. and then that other important early contest state in iowa we're expecting to see former vice president mike pence and former arkansas governor asa hutchinson there. >> you know, omar, i think one of the questions i have and obviously it's still early, still a lot of time left, everybody is figuring out what their lane is or what their pathways are at this point. when you're talking to campaign officials and voters on the ground, is the vibe right now that it's trump versus everybody? is there any sense, perhaps more importantly, that the indictments have actually hindered the significant front-runner at all? >> reporter: well, a lot of what we have seen from some of the voters and, of course, some of the polling is that it is at this point trump versus the rest of the pack. recent cnn polling had president

trump at 47% and even the spokesperson for the pro-desantis super pac never back down is admitting that they feel desantis is way behind in polling but still winnable. take a listen to that spokesman on a factor that he thinks is making a key difference here. >> clearly donald trump is the run away front-runner, particularly since the indictments. that was not the case before the indictments. it is the case afterwards. it is understandable that a lot of folks want to rally to him. >> reporter: and after former president trump's most cent indictment down in florida over the alleged mishandling of misclassified documents i came to new hampshire and tried to speak to some of his supporters to see if this made any sort of impact on them. it only seemed to embolden them. and it seems, at least, that trend is what that super pac spokesman was alluding to. that said, as you mentioned, it's still very early in this campaign season.

and it's why candidates, why some of those that i mentioned are out on the campaign trail in places like merrimac, new hampshire, some of those early contest states for the upcoming primaries early next year to try to make some in roads there and then of course very important tent pole is who makes it on to the debate stage come august. >> hey, omar, i have a very important final question that you weren't aware i was going to ask, but i just have to ask, as a former campaign correspondent, how is your shirt wrinkle free? that's amazing that you look this well put together at 6:00 a.m. on the campaign trail. is there a secret here? >> reporter: look, you just keyed into a super huge tip where it's -- i have to wake up 30 minutes early to do this because this is not how it came out of the suitcase. it was wrinkled. >> good. that makes me feel better. that makes me feel better. i appreciate that hustle. omar jimenez, live for us in new hampshire.

thanks, buddy. okay. we'll be mostly dry across the country this july fourth. still, severe storms in some areas could put a damper on your holiday get togethers. and record temperatures are bringing dangerous heat for both coasts and the south. we'll go to meteorologist britney ritz. i'm describing basically hot, sticky and stormy for some people, so tell us who is going to suffer? >> reporter: the plains and across the south, audie. we need to focus on. many it's during a time frame a lot of us will be out and about, waiting for the firework celebrations to start. pay attention to these areas in red across the plains. the south and right up the east coast. areas highlighted in yellow, most vulnerable, that area in orange. damaging wind and hail, our biggest threats. but areas in green can also pick up that same threats. later on into the afternoon hours. so let's go ahead and take a look at the northeast.

4:00 between 4 and 9:00 we're dealing with some of these strongest storms. not a wash out, pay attention to radar before you head out and about. 4:00 through 9:00 seeing these areas popping up especially down through louisiana and mississippi and along the gulf coast. where we're really heavily focussed on the northern plains, late afternoon and into the evening hours. the central plains as well back into parts of the great lakes. you're seeing these areas fire up right ahead of the warm front about 9, 10:00. the heat, some of these temperatures soaring well over 90 degrees. just make sure we're drinking plenty of water as we're going out and about in between that beverage of choice. audie? >> thank you so much, britley ritz. please hydrate with your beverage of choice because cnn's july fourth special returns with an all-star lineup, fourth in america live tonight on 7:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. new video from the west bank showing empty streets and smoke filled skies as israel's

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israel says it has detained at least 120 people in jenin attempting to inspect ten more targets labeled as a hornet's nest for terrorist activity. israel's largest defensive in the west bank in nearly two decades. cnn's hadas gold is live for us in jerusalem. the big question is we're into the second day, where do things stand? where does this go from here? >> reporter: well, we are now in the second day, as you noted, of what's being called the largest military operation in the occupied west bank by the israeli military since 2002. this is a massive operation. there have now been soldiers working in jenin, raiding jenin since 1:00 a.m. monday morning. now last night, from what we're hearing, a little less eventful than the night before. they have reached, yoet, every corner of the refugee camp, saying they are continuing to target and destroy what they say

are weapons, manufacturing sites, explosive storage sites and say they've been finding situation operation rooms. they're wanting to completely dismantle what they call is a safe haven for militants in the jenin refugee camp. what that means is for the civilians of the jenin refugee camp, total chaos. the streets are some 20 kilometers of the streets have been completely torn up as the idf are trying to identify and dismantle ieds. water and electricity has been dismantled. one resident says she was holed up in her house for hours. called it akin to seeing a natural disaster had hit the refugee camp. we now know that the death toll stands at 10. the ages range from 16 to 23 years old. all of them are said to be males. now the israeli military is still saying that no noncombatants have been killed. but they do acknowledge among the some 100 people injured

civilians have been injured as well. we know that at least 20 of them are in serious condition. now the fallout, there's a general strike against -- across the west bank, so people are not working. hamas called on its cells to strike all of israel wherever they can, but the idef saying this operation will continue potentially for several more days. phil? >> hadas gold, keep us updated live from jerusalem. thank you so much. now cnn was able to get in contact with people who live in jenin and a 16-year-old told us this, the idf invaded our house in the early morning. they locked us all in one room. we were five women and two children in one room. and in another room, they locked five men, my father, brothers and uncles. they took the house as snipers positioned to attack the camp. meanwhile, we couldn't use the toilet, get to the kitchen or do anything but sit in the room and listen to the explosions outside. >> the teen also told cnn, quote, i never thought this can happen to us. i was shocked to see the

destruction of the camp. nothing is the same as it was. i want to bring in mike lions and bobby gauche. i want to start with you, bobby. when you look at the dynamics right now. you have the political situation in israel. obviously have the long-running tensions, some escalation in the west bank that has been kind of evolving and progressing other the course of the last several months without question but significant weakness in the palestinian authority and the leadership. how does this -- i'm not saying end, i'm saying how does this calm down? this feels like it's moving towards another major, major blow out. >> it does feel like the new reality in the west bank. we've been unfortunately used to seeing these kinds of images from gaza, but west bank relative to gaza was stable. palestinian authority, as you say, its leadership has been weakening. its ability to control the street has been diminishing. now those images from jenin are familiar to me. 20 years ago, the last time

israel mounted such an operation within the west bank i was there in that camp covering the battle of jenin. the big difference now is that the palestinians know that they're completely isolated in the world, even their fellow arabs in other states are making separate deals with the israelis. not a lot of sympathy there for them. iran is taking advantage of this vacuum and making in roads into the west bank through islamic ji had just as they have done in hamas for many, many years. that's a potential game changer. and of course, on the israeli side, you have an extreme radical right wing government that wants to take more west bank territory. that only adds up to one thing, more and more and more of these clashes. i fear that unless one of these things change, there's a different attitude from the israeli government. there's better political authority from the palestinian authority and something done to push iranian influence out of

the west bank, i fear we're going to see more and more military actions. we're going to see more and more sort of terrorist attacks from palestinian groups. this is the new reality in the west bank. >> mike lions, i want to ask you about the community that we're looking at here because it is a refugee camp. but obviously it's been there for quite some time, so it's built up like any other city or town. what does that mean for the strikes on it? >> yeah. so i've been training with the israeli military as a young captain. i can tell you this, israel doesn't play. they bring everything they can to give every advantage they have from a military perspective to their soldiers. >> even within civilian settings? >> yeah. i mean, they're going to do as best they can but from their perspective, protecting their force is their priority. that's how they roll. you look at how they operate. they'll tell you that these were targeted strikes. very difficult right now to have this military operation and not

expect these kind of casualties, not expect collateral damage that goes from within. they'll sit there and say that the ends justify the means because we're going after terrorist attacks. they're not going to united nations showing pictures. they don't ask permission, they go and use the element of surprise. i'm staying in my military lane from that perspective to protect their forces. 10 to 15,000 more israeli soldiers soon in that area. they're not stopping. i think they're going to do as much as they can to decapitate what they believe to be a terrorist organization. they're funded by the iranians. this is where this is all coming from. to bobby's point, this is coming from a government that wants to expand that influence in that area. >> we're in the post abraham accords area, after the trump administration, normalization of relationships between israel and several arab countries. is this moment a challenge to that for these nations? >> it puts those arab leaders

who made these normalization rules with israel, puts them in an awkward position with respect to their own civilian populations. there is still quite a lot of sitthi for the palestinians among ordinary arabs across the arab world. the arab leadership in most of these countries that have made these sort of diplomatic overtures to israel, these are not elected governments. these leaders tend to be self appointed. they don't have to respond. >> can they deescalate this situation? >> yeah. i think there will be -- be behind closed doors conversations saying, you know, maybe you need to -- you tone this down. but the israelis are pushing back and saying, look, we've got to do this. we've got to do this because iran is a significant factor here. they're sort of playing up that aspect. and most of the arab states have concerns about iran, too. so, what netanyahu is doing is trying to communicate to the arab state this is our common

enemy. this is not the palestinians. this is who is behind the palestinians we're trying to get at. >> from a military operational perspective, what you've seen -- i don't want to say cookie cutter or play book from the israeli military. they go for a couple days. this is at a scale we haven't seen in two decades, then they come out. they don't stay there for long periods of time. that's political and how the international community views things. going into a place like this for two, three, four, go a little longer days. what tangibly can be accomplished? what are their goals here? just to have targets, take them out and move on? because to bobby's point, i don't understand how this ends. i don't mean to say that in a very simplistic, naive area what the israeli forces -- >> they want to get every conceivable way that hamas and terrorists wage war out of there against israel. they're looking for bomb factories, ammunitions and every last bullet.

they're not going to leave there until scour the earth. it buys them time. their attitude is let's reduce their ability to wage war against us. it's happening more in the north bank side -- north part of the western bank. so, they're not -- again, they're not going to stop until the military command reports back and says, we've been through five square miles, whatever the region is, and says we have taken every single capability of this organization away from attacking us. that's what their goal is. >> major mike lions, bobby gauche, thank you for your perspective. way behind but winnable. hear from the spokesman from one republican campaign as the candidates spend the july 4th holiday with voters.

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♪ you're looking at live pictures from iowa and new hampshire this morning where some of the republican candidates will be spending their july 4th holiday, former vice president mike pence and miami mayor frances suarez in iowa. senator stimscott, ron desantis

will be criss-crossing new hampshire. let's bring in max rose and shelby talcott. since i always go to you for telling me what's happening on the ground and what voters are saying, what was striking yesterday was the statement from -- the comments from the desantis super pac acknowledging to steve's credit, reality to some degree but i want you to listen to him. >> look, right now in national polling we are way behind. i'll be the first to admit that. okay. i believe in being really blunt and really honest. it's an uphill battle. clearly donald trump is the run away front-runner. >> so there's two elements of it. first, yeah, okay. that's true. and second is, saying that outloud is not necessarily something any super pac or candidate wants to do. why is he saying it? >> it's a good question. i think -- i mean, very good question. you have to ask him that. but also i think he's correct,

as you say, maybe he's being too blunt, right? he does have a job. he's getting paid. but it's correct. and i think in one way acknowledging that they are in this position could allow them to maybe rectify it. w. does that reflect that they suffered post indictment, meaning trying to get money out of donors one way or another has become more difficult? >> yeah. i don't know. i think -- i do think that desantis is one of the better people in the race in that regard, so i don't know if money is going to be his problem necessarily. i think it's can we get some of those voters who are now more in trump's camp than ever because of the indictment over to our side? but i guess acknowledging that you're doing something wrong is the first step to fixing the problem in a way. >> there was no acknowledgment of doing anything wrong, just whafrs they're doing is wrong. >> that's a good point. i think some of this is out of their hands, especially as the

indictments potentially keep coming. >> i want to ask about the lay of the land because obviously you've done a lot of campaigns. they're in new hampshire and iowa, which are first, but there's been so much dialogue about whether they should be in the primary process. what does it say about who is where? meaning tim scott in new hampshire versus someone else. >> sure. well, i think they're both criss-crossing each of those states over the course of the year and they had to pick one. i think is absolutely essential, though, that they are all in one of those two states. what you're really seeing here is with donald trump, right, it's no longer about policy when you think about his hold on that primary base. >> why he's in bedminster. >> this is about a cultive personality. they can't go out there and do soaring speeches and have debates. they've got to go from barbecue to parade to festival to everything in between and actually talk to people and show that they are a human being, something actually that some of these candidates struggle with.

ron desantis in particular. the other interesting thing associated with all these events is that they're always one step away from incredible embarrassment. in a day and age when everyone has a camera, you know, that they're going to eat that hot dog and potentially it gets all over their shirt -- >> we're also in the age in the end of shame, right? you can't actually be embarrassed anymore, i think. like i don't think a gaffe has taken anyone down. >> they're going to test it. >> exactly. >> can i ask you, does retail still matter? i ask that because were known as somebody who thrived in retail campaigning in politics. there were always pictures of you outside of a train station or constantly sweating through your shirt, no offense, i respect that, shaking hands, always being out. i think one of the things that a lot of campaign operatives have tried to figure out in the wake of trump in 2016 and the covid election of 2020, do the old rules still apply in places like new hampshire and iowa? >> they of course, do. particularly in new hampshire and iowa where you see people

who have rightfully so an incredible sense of self importance. they do not care if you're a forearm vice president. they don't care if you're a sitting governor. you better come into their home -- >> they would consider themselves civic minded, yes. >> both things can be true. >> i think that where as when ron desantis walks into a room in florida, that is the sitting governor and he is treated as such. when he is walking around iowa and new hampshire, he is just another candidate. actually folks take great pride in that. but what you're also going to see over the course of these fourth of july events is a massive, massive change when it comes to republican politics. usually the rhetoric is centered around unity and patriotism and love of country, particularly on a day like this. but today you're still going to see this rhetoric that is dystopian in nature, talking about the weaponization of government and how the biden administration is against us. their language is not going to be about coming together. it is going to be about waging

war against the establishment. >> shelby, one more quick question. it's sort of unspoken but i'll speak it. who is running for vice president here? >> that's a good question. again -- >> careful. >> so if you ask the -- all of the candidates, they would all say that they are not running for vice president. >> but do the voters see it that way? >> no. and i've spoken to voters. listen, you talk to tim scott's campaign, they will tell you that he's not running for vice president. the quickest way to get on their bad list is to say he's running for vice president. but people are interested in him as a vice president. people are interested in nikki haley as a vice president. people are interested in ron desantis as a vice president. i've heard from a lot of voters and i don't think this would ever happen, that the trump/desantis ticket would be unstoppable. so, candidate -- these voters are looking at these candidates as, okay, you know, maybe they can't -- if they don't win the presidency, could they be an option for the vice presidency? and i think there's multiple

options there whether they get picked, especially if trump is the nominee, is the bigger question. >> just for clarity, to the tim scott campaign to the nikki haley campaign, shelby was very careful with how she framed that. make very clear you guys have made clear, they are not running for vice president. she was reflecting conversations with voters. that distinction is important. >> i'll say they're running for vice president. >> let max. thank you so much, guys. all right. still ahead, more on the major news overnight from moscow. russia intercepting drones. they say were sent by ukraine. and this as ukraine's president zelenskyy makes an appeal to president biden in a cnn exclusive. >> so he has a decision to make coming into this weekend? >> yes, for today, yes. he is a decision maker for today to be ukrainian nato or not to be. so, , no more sweating all night... ...no kicking off the covers... ...or blasting the a air conditioning. because only the tempur-pedic breeze is made

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♪ new this morning, russia claims it intercepted five ukrainian drones. they say the drones were attempting to target an area where civilian infrastructure is located. now, this is just the latest sign that ukraine's counteroffensive is under way. meantime, in an exclusive interview with cnn's erin burr nut, volodymyr zelenskyy making clear that ukraine's path to a

nato membership relies heavily on president biden's immediate support. >> translator: the u.s. decide today whether ukraine will get invited to nato. this is today's situation. and it's a fact. the majority of the nato countries support inviting ukraine to nato. those who have their doubts look only at president biden. and he knows that this depends on him. it will be his decision. >> so he has a decision to make coming into this weekend? >> yes, for today, yes. he is a decision maker for today to be ukrainian nato or not to be. >> right. not down the line, now. >> now. it's very important. it will push russia -- it will push our soldiers to deok pate quicker. but we know we will never be in nato before war finish. >> right. >> so we understand everything. but this signal is really very important. and depends on biden's decision.

>> joining us now is former u.s. ambassador to ukraine william taylor, the vice president of the russia and europe center at the u.s. institute of peace. welcome to the program. >> thank you, audie. >> now just because the ukrainian president says it's a decision that has to be made, doesn't necessarily mean it does. can you talk about what the traditional u.s. reluctance has been to embracing ukraine into nato? >> yes. this has been on the table for a long time. the question about ukraine in nato. if it came up, of course, in 2008, when president bush pushed nato to give an invitation to ukraine and georgia to join nato, be interesting to go back if we could do this over again if the nato alliance had said, yes, at that time, this war today may not have happened because ukraine would have been in nato and russia would not

have attacked. however, that debate continues. and now it is, as president zelenskyy just said, it's up to the summit, another nato summit coming up this month. and the decision will be for all the heads of state. they're probably still thinking about it. i think he's right. president bush -- president biden is now considering exactly this question. and that will be the question for the heads of state in two weeks. >> ambassador taylor, to be candid in talking to white house officials their national security team officials, i've never gotten a sense that a near-term decision on this was ever in the realm of possibility. i understand why president zelenskyy continues to push for that. it's exactly what he should be doing in this moment in time. so, what is the outcome in lithuania at the nato summit that kind of threads the needle here between where the u.s. is on this issue and concerns they have. there is active con nikt going

on with ukraine right now in russia and trying to provide some type of long-term security guarantee as part of what they're putting together beyond just now. >> beyond just now, phil, you're right. and i think most people agree. probably president zelenskyy agrees, that joining nato, actually becoming a member of nato right now is not in the cards for ukraine. it's not going to happen while there's active conflict. however, what the summit can do is basically invite ukraine to join when conditions are appropriate. that is when it's possible for ukraine to join, then they will join. that's the message that ukrainians are looking for is a firm commitment that once conditions are right, once it's appropriate, once it makes sense, then they'll be able to join nato. that's the only way that they can have that security guarantee, phil, that you mentioned. they need something to say, to

investors, to their people, to the world that they're not going to be invaded again. and the best guarantee is to be a member of nato. >> the other thing that we've learned is they're requesting a cluster munitions. this is very controversial among european nations in particular. can you talk about whether or not that makes sense for the u.s.? >> well, the question is does it make sense for the ukrainians in the first instance. and they are fighting masses of russian troops. and the military argument for these munitions is strong. that is, these are -- these munitions are effective against these russian troops. there is -- there are controversies about these weapons. some of the little bomblets don't go off. they're duds and they stay around. so this is tricky for ukrainians. it's tricky for the united states and that will be a hard

decision to make. >> ambassador taylor, we learned yesterday that the u.s. ambassador to russia met with -- detained "wall street journal" reporter evan ger sh goe wits. i think the concern amongst reporters, among evan's friend and those who believe has been made very clear that the allegations are fraudulent and aren't based on reality, that he kind of fades out of view and that's a problem if there's not public sentiment continually pushing for this. can you take us behind the scenes as a foreign service officer, what's happening as they try to work towards securing a release? >> so, phil, it's not behind the scenes. it's not out of the minds of u.s. officials. the u.s. government in all of its elements is focussed on getting him out. wrongfully detained means he is

a political prisoner. and they are looking for ways to bring him out, as they've done before. they've been successful. u.s. government has brought people out before. they're looking for a way to do that. and the visit, by the ambassador, to the person who is wrongfully detained is one important way to demonstrate support for that person while he's being detained. >> all right. ambassador bill taylor, thank you, sir, very much for sharing your perspective. >> thank you. well, it's being called nature's ozempic. come on. but could an her ball dietary supplement really cause significant weight loss? our health team has a breakdown. that's coming up next. ♪

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howard joins us now. first of all, is there any data to show that this could be effective when it comes to weight loss. >> reporter: well, that's the interesting thing, audie. we really don't have clinical trial data that shows weight loss benefits when it comes to this herable. when it comes to the evidence shows that it's truly what some people are calling nature's ozempic, we don't have that scientific data. i did look at some studies. one study showed that it was associated with a bmi reduction of .25 body mass index unit. but in comparison, people taking wegovy or ozempic tend to show 4.6 reduction in bmi. there's a big difference there in weight loss. we really need more data on this. that's the bottom line, audie. >> let's be clear here, why do

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