security and secrecy were intense for a rare interview outside of kyiv filmed outdoors. we were told there were rush s -- russian surveillance drones. you are looking at some of the preparation by our incredible team. there was this picture of him laughing. it captures him as a human being. he was a comedian and a television star. as he defined this moment and impacted the entire world with his leadership -- he has when you think about it -- he is still a person, just a person who can laugh. in this moment that we are seeing, he was simply taking joy in being in the sunshine. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. tonight, new details about the man arrested steps away from the obama's d.c. home.

the weapons he had and who else he stalked. also tonight, the latest in the string of holiday mass shootings, including philadelphia's five dead and what prosecutors say was deliberate. the bag of cocaine in the white house. where it was found and what that could mean about who left it there. we begin with a picture federal prosecutors are painting of the man arrested are firearms and ammunition in the washington neighborhood home to many dignitaries, including president obama and mrs. obama. it comes from a court filing urging the man be kept in custody. alleged threats against kevin mccarthy and jamie raskin. that he allegedly live streamed a claim he had a debt nature a explosives and the got the address for the obamas from a post from donald trump. walk us through what exactly the

former president posted and when this guy showed up in the obama neighborhood. >> there wasn't a long time between the two events happening. donald trump posts a newsletter that purportedly had the address of the obamas where they live now in washington, d.c. and then he reposts that and he says, got them surrounded. after that, he was on the radar of federal officials. they were tracking him because of other things that he was doing and saying online. then he starts live streaming himself in their neighborhood in washington, d.c. the secret service are there, because they protect the residence around the obamas. he takes on food. t they find evidence he had been living out of his van they believe in washington, d.c. for the last two months.

quite a bit of weaponry as wellwell being kept in the van. prosecutors say he had two guns in this vehicle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. also, a machete. they say that he has 20 guns registered to his name. they found the two in his van. this is a man from washington state with a family there. like i said, he had been in washington, d.c. apparently living out of his van for the past couple months. >> he has done bizarre things before. he has had -- he has been on the radar? >> absolutely. that's actually one of the things that's so important about this story in that this is the long arc of january 6. this is a man on their radar because he was at the capitol on january 6. he carried a cane and was in a scuffle with police officers. they had been tracking him. he started live streaming some

really unusual things. he went to an elementary school and was live streaming about january 6 because that elementary school was near a democratic lawmaker's home. he was live streaming himself trying to get access to the videos of january 6 that speaker kevin mccarthy had on capitol hill. so he kept live streaming himself. then finally said he had his van and he wanted to blow it up outside of a federal building. that's when the fetd feds start looking for him. >> appreciate it. thank you. joining us now, john miller. also, maggie haberman. it's extraordinary that prosecutors in a case involving physical violence against officials, perhaps even the former president obama and his

wife, are citing a posting by another former president. we don't know if trump read what he posted. we don't know if this guy read it. it's incredible. >> it's a trump repost. an old article where the streets where the obamas live in washington, it was right after he left the white house, is mentioned. then this individual posts that under his, i'm here, we have them surrounded post. the timing is too coincidental to be an accident, at least on the part of taylor who seemed to follow that post, read that post, repost it and then go straight there. the day before, on wednesday, the 28th, he had a different target. he was focussed on the national institute for standards and technology, which fits into a lot of qanon conspiracies. right after that, he is literally on the street where the obamas live, where the

podestas live saying, we have them surrounded. i'm looking for the tunnels underneath that connect the houses. the entranceways and so on. >> he is a real qanon -- >> conspiracy theorist, stolen election, january 6 rioter. he was literally right there immediately after the woman was shot breaking through the window by the capitol police in the heart of the capitol. of course, all the other qanon theories he has posted about on his social media. >> maggie, in terms of the former president, i feel like we had this discussion a lot. does he read the stuff he retweets? >> sometimes. sometimes not. he finds it in different ways. often he looks at replies to what people write to him. it's harder to discern what some of his habits are using his own social media site as opposed to twitter when there were aides who were helping him or working in the white house under him. sometimes he does -- he has been

much more -- to use the word reckless is appropriate. he has more reckless in terms of what he is willing to repost or retruth or whatever he calls it on his site. he is constantly reposting content that had he done it on twitter, it would have gotten a lot of attention. had he been doing it before he was banned, it would have created consternation at the pre-elon musk company. it appears as if the timing is related to this gentleman's showing up at former president obama's home. it's hard to ignore the fact that a lot of people who are ed a -- adhering to qanon -- >> he plays up to qanon. >> more now than before. there were winks and nods when he was in the white house. now it's much more open. >> if you look at that last

tweet where he has himself in silhouette and the words on his graphic is, the storm is coming, which is the qanon slogan, that was the day he kind of went from saying, i only vaguely understand them and they seem like nice people -- >> i don't know who they are but they say nice thing about me. >> to associating himself with the qanon. >> the secret service, they have enough challenges taking care of everyone under their protection. it's just extraordinary to me that at least on some level they have to worry about a former president posting information that could endanger other officials and other former presidents. >> anderson, it's crazy we are talking about this. we have actually discussed how threatening language in highlighting attributes of an individual by a prominent public official such as the former president is dangerous. as we were just discussing, those messages can be

misinmi misininterpreted for action or harm against people or people associated with them. think about paul pelosi. these statements that are made, these postings, they go beyond social norms. they are actually -- they have a consequence. we know that these messages have a consequence not just from the actions of january 6 but in this case as well. you have an individual who feels empowered to act and engage in some sort of conspiracy theory action, because he feels supported by online postings. he thinks that he is being directed or inspired by either the former president or proxies. that is so dangerous. not only for the secret service in the protection of the former presidents, but for law enforcement broadly in protection of all the public officials. >> it does seem like in this case they -- he got on the radar quickly. they seemed to keep track of

him. >> i mean, he was on the fbi radar because of his january 6 things. in fact, one of the strangest parts about the saga here is, he was posting in his own social media, here i am, come and get me, i'm a january 6 rioter. look, mom, i'm an insurrectionist. baiting the fbi as they were developing that case. here you see a system that really worked, because fbi washington field office is detecting he is live streaming from washington. the capitol police put out a be on the lookout for and they have his picture and information on the vehicle. the secret service uniform division spots him and brings agents into the area. it all comes together before something happens. here is a guy who was talking about having a self-driving vehicle that he was going to load with explosives and crash into a building before he

self-redirected to the obamas. could he have done that? there was fuel in the vehicle, gasoline. rags in bottles. it's the thing you would make molotov cocktails from. he had a steeling wheel lock which you could activate the accelerator and kept it on a straight panel toward path towa. far-fetched, amateurism, but when you put together what he was driving around with and what he was talking about doing, it's probably good that they stopped him when they did. >> methe former president spent the 4th of july -- it sounded e was having a happy 4th of july. he spent it posting about the -- there a picture of himself dressed up as george washington. another depicting the burning of the white house. there were attacks on the

special counsel which seems especially low. >> you are seeing an angrier version of trump. people around him say he is not angry about the indictments. he is angry. you are seeing it play out. what i would argue is the version you are seeing now, that we have seen on the campaign trail, is the version of him that we started seeing in 2020 in the lead-up to his claims, his false claims about the november 2020 election. he was planning on doing all kinds of things in his final year in office, seizing control of the federal bureau, getting the white house that he wanted in terms of staffing. this sort of anger and undercurrent of retribution, this is very authentic him. but this is his most authentic version. >> appreciate it. thanks so much. another january 6 defendant who was arrested. this time, a grandmother, she chose a different path. she talked to gary tuchman about the former president she calls a master manipulator.

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it. it was found near a ground floor entrance that visitors pass on staff-led tours. what else do we know about this? >> reporter: tonight, a law enforcement official tells me they are doing everything possible to identify the culprit who brought this baggy of cocaine into the white house. that includes dna testing, fingerprint analysis. secret service is going through visitor logs and security camera footage as well. this started when this baggy containing a while substance was found sunday evening. it tested positive for cocaine. one thing to know is that where this was found is on the ground floor entrance to the west wing. this is where visitors are brought in to the west wing for tours on the weekends. it's also an entrance used by white house officials. i'm told this dime-size baggy of cocaine was found inside one of the cubbies where visitors are asked to put cellphones before entering the west wing. they are used by white house

officials before they go into a skiff where they can view classified information. t"the situthe the situation room is around the corner. the white house secretary said this could have been a visitor. it was a heavily trafficked and traveled area of the white house. also, noting that this is where visitors come in and out. one thing that we should note, she wouldn't rule out that this could be a white house official. secondly, we should note that people who come on the tours, they typically know someone in the admission or know someone who knows someone. they are not easy to get. >> nobody knows how long it has been there. i would think if those things are searched every day, then it would be pretty easy to figure out how many people were actually using those cubbies on any given day. >> yeah. it's hard to know. this was -- this white house is cleaned every day. there are secret service officers going by this. you would think it would have been found the same day.

there's no way of knowing at this point. >> appreciate it. mike pence called the incident a very serious matter and said the american people deserve answers. he made those comments in the middle of stops in iowa. the first of the nation caucus and the evangelical voters are important for pence whose campaign is lagging in the polls. we have the latest. what message has the former vice president been trying to spread in iowa? >> with trump looming large in this state and you have the evangelical voters that you are talking about, all of this was very clear at this event that just wrapped up minutes ago in sioux city, inside the crowd that came and gathered to listen to mike pence, there was a man wearing a trump 2024 cap, another woman, a voter who asked about his role on january 6 and if he should have certified the vote that day. if he changed history. what he did as vice president,

his actions, everything he did in the administration certainly is how he is known to voters here in iowa. he is trying to forge his own path. the campaign says he will do that by meeting voters where they are, going to all 99 counties and talking to them one on one. will it work? one voter here told us she was convinced. another voter said, no, absolutely not. she was sticking with trump. the question though is whether or not there are enough republicans like this woman i want you to listen to who says she admires what pence did on january 6. take a listen. >> he was in a precarious situation himself in the capitol building. i appreciated that he stood his gr ground. we need to pray for him that he can overcome some of the people right now who are polling ahead of him. >> very early, it's still summer.

a lot of counties to hit. >> obviously, evangelical christians have been an important base of support for mike pence. how is he doing with them this time around? >> i have spoken to half a dozen evangelical pastors in iowa. every event, we have run into evangelical christians. we talked about faith as in regards to mike pence and his future in the caucus. they will tell you is that they admire him for his faith. they believe it's authentic. when he quotes scripture, they know he means it and they believe him. there's no question about that. the question is, in this state where you have pence who is a midwesterner, an evangelical, in congress and in the executive branch, he is somebody who should be doing very, very well. the issue is that he is talking to trump's republican party. it's a matter of whether or not

he can convince them that those credentials should win in iowa. >> appreciate it. one of the key issues in the presidential race, abortion, is being decided on the state level. the latest battleground, ohio, and the fight over a constitutional amendment to protect those rights. >> reporter: box by box, a summer showdown over abortion in ohio intensified as supporters delivered signatures, demanding the issue be placed on the november ballot. >> the boxes contain signatures of real people. >> it's overwhelming. it's an absolutely stunning moment. i can't believe we are here. >> reporter: for months, this doctor has been part of an effort to gather support to have voters decide whether to enshrine abortion rights in the ohio constitution. after the u.s. supreme court overturned roe v. wade and returned the debate back to the states. >> i was never very political before all of this started last year.

this has made me pay more attention. i think it will do the same for others. >> reporter: a year after the dobbs decision, fallout has rippled from courtrooms to the campaign trail. >> i trust the women of american. >> reporter: alarming republicans. >> i don't judge anyone for being pro-choice. >> reporter: in ohio, gop lawmakers are going to great lengths to stop the abortion rights movement. it started last summer in kansas where an aboortion measure drewa historic turnout, with 59 voting to protect abortion rights. michigan voters followed suit with 57% voting to change the state's constitution. those outcomes were so alarming to opponents of abortion rights in ohio, they are taking the extraordinary step of trying to change the rules in place for more than a century on ballot issues. it is called issue 1. it seeks to raise the threshold to change ohio's constitution fro majority of 50% to a super majority of 60%.

>> they are trying to sneak an election in august whether peop -- whether when people are not used to voting. they are doing that on purpose. they know that their agenda is not the agenda of ohioans. >> reporter: the 700,000 signatures submitted today must still be verified by ohio's republican secretary of state. at a recent county gop dinner, he made no apologies for using the august election to stop the abortion rights effort. >> this is 100% about keeping a radical pro-abortion amendment out of the constitution. >> reporter: why should this be decided in august? >> there's no time like the present to protect ohio's constitution. >> reporter: amy of protect women ohio, a coalition that opposes abortion rights, dismissed suggestions the august election bass in any way this

determine how their constitution is amended. we have seen the other side saying, one person, one vote. this takes away the people's vote. not at all. >> if issue 1 succeeds, how confident are they of reaching 60% in november? >> that 60% threshold is significantly high. it's a bigger hurdle than a simple majority of 50%. if you look at other states that have had a similar amendment, michigan, for example, a bluer state had 57% of the vote. the 60% threshold bworries them. that's why they are trying to defeat the august amendment. that's why the august special election is happening. republican legislative leaders believe that's the best way to stop this. interestingly, this is following along partisan lines to a point. but two former republican governors here in ohio have come out against there august special

election. they said this is not the way to amend the state's constitution. it's too important for that, for this issue and other issues going forward. one thing that's clear, for the next month here in this summer campaign, abortion, front and center in ohio. >> appreciate it. just ahead, a grandmother arrested for participating in january 6 is now speaking out about the former president's lies. gary tuchman has the story next. how can you sleep on such a firm setting? gab, mine is almost the same as yours. almost is just another word for not as good as mine.

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earlier we told about you the january 6 defendant arrested in president obama's neighborhood. another one, a grandmother, and former trump supporter who went to prison for her actions on january 6, who is speaking out against the former president for what she calls his gaslighting. gary tuchman has more. >> reporter: as she celebrates america's independence, she can't help but remember how she felt on july 4, last year. she was getting ready to go to prison. even though you were unhappy and scared in prison, you fear you were guilty of what the crime was? >> absolutely. absolutely.

>> reporter: the january 6 capitol insurrection. mother and grandmother pam camphill who had been diagnosed with breast cancer was there. she enjoyed taking video of political events. she said she was a citizen journalist. she believed donald trump's false claim ez won the election. this is what she was telling people outside the capitol. >> whose house does it belong to? it's my house. come on in. you just come in. come on in. >> reporter: she continued shooting video. and pam ended up inside the capitol building. she flew back to idaho, still believing much of the dogma she had been taught. >> the democrats wanted this to be a communist country and that they were drinking baby's blood. >> reporter: did you believe that? >> no.

i thought that was weird. >> reporter: did you believe it was -- the democrats wanted this to be a communist party? >> yes. >> reporter: she was arrested. after a plea bargain and pleading guilty, she was sentenced to two months in a federal prison in california. >> i live with the fear every minute. you live with it. >> reporter: when she got out of prison, she had questions about the far right talking points about trump but considered herself a trump supporter. a few months ago, she had a revelation. when you heard the former president say that he would consider pardoning some january 6 people, it changed your mind? >> 100%. >> reporter: what did you think? that's it. he is a master manipulator. he doesn't believe anything. he thinks he is smart enough to pull the wool over you. there's people like me waking up. >> reporter: do you feel the former president is responsible for that? >> absolutely. he is the king of that

gaslighting. it's a cult. it's a cult. >> reporter: then this happened just about a week and a half ago. >> a right wing person wrote something that is inaccurate but important to the story. i will read it. american justice, 69-year-old grandmother with cancer given more prison time for walking inside u.s. capitol than hunter biden for sharing classified documents and multi-million dollar bribery schemes. donald trump shared it on truth social with the comment, horrible. when you saw that or heard about it, what was the first thing that went through your mind? >> i was very angry. i said, this is it. this is it. >> reporter: hunter biden agreed to plead guilty to two tax misdemeanors to resolve a felony gun charge in exchange for a recommendation of probation. what pam decided to do was call out the former president on social media. writing, please, donald trump, don't be using me for anything. i'm not a victim of january 6.

i pleaded guilty because i was guilty. stop the spin. now pam wants to go back to the u.s. capop capitol to testify u oath about january 6. she prepared what she wants to say. >> i'm not a victim of the government. justice department was not weaponized against me. i was a participant. we broke the law. >> reporter: she talks about the capitol police in her speech. >> in the crowd, i was pushed down. my head was trampled on. my shoulder pulled out. the capitol police saved my life that day. i want them to know how truly grateful i am to them and how deeply sorry i am for what happened and how they continue to be treated to this day. >> reporter: today, pam takes solace in her support of friends on social media, her family and her god. what would you say to donald trump if you could talk to him?

like you are talking to me right now. >> retire. get honest. you know when you meet your maker, that's more important. >> gary joins us now. what a journey. what's next for her? >> her sentence includes three years probation. some of the conditions are, she can't commit a crime. she can't own a gun. she can't leave the state without permission. politically, she wants to remain a registered republican. if donald trump runs against joe biden in general election, there's no way she would vote for trump. if it's a different republican, she will do research and make a decision closer to the election. one final thing, pam is still fighting breast cancer. she says right now, her life's goal is to, quote, make things right. >> we wish her the best with her health and her family. gary tuchman, thanks. the mass shootings over the july 4th holiday.

including what the man in philadelphia told police about why he did it.

a fourth victim was dead in one of more than 20 mass shootings. it was in louisiana. four dead, seven wounded there. others, ft. worth, 11 shot and three killed. nine in washington, d.c.

the deadliest is philadelphia, five killed by an alleged gunman who said he did it to clean up the neighborhood. >> it's like i feel him saying, why me? why me? why me? you know? >> reporter: a 20-year-old was among those killed monday night. his mother says he loved his family, his girlfriend and his job. >> some maniac walking around just shooting, shooting, shooting. for what? you probably will never know why. you know? he took my son. he took my baby. >> reporter: the 40-year-old shooter appeared in a philadelphia courtroom. he is accused of opening fire on a street hours before the 4th of july. the attack captured by this street corner surveillance corner. >> people outside, people eating water ice. nobody is expecting to come outside and somebody walking around shooting people. >> reporter: prosecutors say he randomly shot and killed five

people monday night and attempted to murder several others. >> on what was supposed to be a beautiful summer evening, this armed and armored individual wreaked havoc, firing with a rifle at victims at random. >> reporter: a law enforcement says the shooter's facebook page could provide answers about a motive. the most recent public post, the morning of the shooting. a man in tactical gear holding a gun. his other posts about gun rights, religion, freedom and black lives matter. in may, he shared posts from pro-gun groups supporting former president trump and the second amendment. in june, there's a video posted of a speech by president biden where he posts a reference that the president is attempting to, quote, take our arms. separate law enforcement sources told cnn the suspect said he committed the shooting to clean the neighborhood. >> i didn't see the guy until the fire started coming out of the gun. we saw the sparks coming out of the gun. that's when i ran.

>> reporter: the shooter sprayed the neighborhood about bullets, killing pedestrians and hitting a car with a mother and twin 2 yeerltd yee y 2-year-olds in the leg. he was wearing body armor and a ski mask, carrying a police scanner and holding an ar-15 rifle and a handgun. >> this is a tragedy at the deepest level. we are talking about innocent bystanders who did absolutely nothing to put themselves at risk. >> you are learning about the weapons this shooter allegedly used. >> that's right. this is fascinating. something we only learned late this afternoon. the suspect was arrested with two guns. an ar-15 rifle and a handgun. both of those guns, not just the

handgun, both of those guns were privately made ghost guns. untraceable. the police emphasized that if this gunman had run away, gotten away and left the gun behind, they would not have been able to find him. just another troubling chapter in an already troubling story in philadelphia. >> i appreciate it. hear from russian president onners of war held in ukraine. a warning from ukraine's president about the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, what he says was spotted on the rooftop of the facility in russia's control and what the kremlin is saying about it as well.

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an alarming claim from volodymyr zelenskyy. he warns s russians have placed items that look like bombs on the zaporizhzhia power plant. it may create a false impression of shelling by ukraine. the kremlin claims to be taking measures to counter this saying

sabotage is high. ukraine's defense ministry says they are facing stiff resistance from russian forces and making gains. tonight, more insight on the battle for eastern ukraine from ben wedeman who spoke with russian prisoners of war. >> reporter: no longer on the front lines, this man recounts how he ended up a prisoner of war. in russia, he was behind bars for the third time for drugs. when they put me in prison, i heard they were recruiting. serve six months and they pardon you, he tells me. he signed up with storm z, a un m unit made up of convicts. after two weeks, he was shipped off to the front lines near bakhmut. after days of intense shelling, no food and only rainwater to

drink, he heard ukrainian troops outside his foxhole. he assumed they would execute him. i thought that was the end, he recalls. i switched my rifle to single shot mode and thought, i will shoot myself. but i couldn't. this video shot by shoulders of ukraine's 3rd assault brigade shows the tense moments when they surrendered. the ukrainian troops told them, unlike russians, we don't kill prisoners. we spoke with other soldiers in a makeshift jail in eastern ukraine, concealing their faces and not using their real names. the th3rd assault brigade grant us access. they will transferred to ukrainian intelligence.

they agreed to share their stories. this man serving time for drugs said conditions in the trenches were grim. food was scarce. we didn't have medical kits, he says. his commanders took all the painkillers to get high, he recalled. as a result, issued non-sense cal orders. morale was terrible. sergei was wounded by a grenade before sur rensurrendering to s. he completed his six-month contract in kherson and went home. when he hesitated to sign another contract, a military a military prosecutor gave him a choice, prison or back front. discipline collapsed, theoffice

pled, all illusions shattered. it was very different from what i saw on tv, a parallel reality says sergei. i felt fear, pain, and disappointment in my commanders. a law passed last year in russia imposed sentences of three to ten years for soldiers who surrender voluntarily. if he returns home in a prisoner exchange antone may end up back in a russian prison. >> ben, it's extraordinary they might get sent back to prison because they surrendered. how concerned are they that that's where they'll end up? >> well, actually, they're very worried, anderson, and for instance, antone, the one we started the piece with, he told us, he's read the works of the gulag archipelago, he says he knows his country's history, and he's worried about his fate. now, the other conviction turned

soldier, slava, told us he's braced for the worst. he signed a six-month contract, but because he was captured, his time in captivity in ukraine won't be counted, and therefore, in the unlikely event that he will be offered over in an exchange, and in fact, the russians really don't even want these convictions back. they want real soldiers back. if he goes back in an exchange, he'll be sent right back to the front lines because he hasn't finished his contract. so my impression when we spoke to these men was that they were actually relieved, a, to be off the front line, and, b, to be somewhere where at least they know that they're not going to be sent right back into what's commonly known as the meat grinder of bakhmut, anderson. >> we appreciate it. thank you. a world away from that, a different story entirely, a shark on the move at a florida

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a scary fourth of july holiday weekend for some beac beachgoers. a shark spotted in shallow waters in pensacola, florida, monday. those in the water scrambled to get out, no one was hurt. on long island five people were bitten likely by sharks in 24 hours including two 15-year-olds. all had nonlife-threatening injuries, thankfully. there are a lot of shark sightings in the summer. is any of in unusual? our senior data reporter harry enten joins us. i see these headlines, it gets people worried about sharks. i feel like the sharks are always out there. is this unusual? >> new yoo, it's not. i looked into this and what we see is the number of shark attacks to basically this same point in the year last year is equivalent pretty much to the number of shark attacks we've had this year, both in the united states in the low 20s. there's a margin of error. these are verified attacks. sometimes it's difficult. >> when we're saying attacks, we should point out sharks aren't

trying to kill people. >> no. i always thought watching "jaws" that we are on their food chain. we are not on their food chain. they bite because they're serious, but people bleed out because they are sharks and have sharp teeth. >> that's exactly right. i think jaws in large part, that 1970s film has a big thing to do with the reason we're all so afraid of sharks, and i know that myself, i'm scared of a lot of things and sharks are definitely one of them. i'm also scared of jelly fish in the water. >> i'm scared of jelly fish. >> what animals are americans most afraid of? okay, if we look at polling data. >> who polls for in? >> turns out ipsos polled for this. there's a number for everything, anderson. what we see is that, in fact, snakes are at the top of the list. we also see alligators at the top of the list. >> that's understandable. >> sharks are right there as well.

bees are way down, but my understanding is that you've swam with some sharks? >> i have, yes. i've gone diving with great whites off camepe town. did it for 60 minutes with cnn without cage. that was terrifying. but it did change my perspective and made me less fearful with sharks. you can see, we're not in a cage. the water's chummed with blood, and, you know, it was ludicrous, but it was fascinating j and you also swam with some crocodiles. >> i did, i swam with nile crocodiles also for "60 minutes" which is not to be recommended at all. it's also incredibly dangerous. i was in these underwater caves. and they kill like -- great whites kill maybe like six people a year on average, i think, is and again, it's just by biting. people bleed out. nile crocodiles kill people and eat them. they kill like 200 people per year. >> so you're more afraid of crocodiles? people should be more afraid of

crocodiles, absolutely and i'm the idiot that went in the caves with them, and i'm literally staring this thing face-to-face. >> but you did it for science. you're a scientist. >> yes, i did it for science. >> what causes more fatalities? >> you know how many average people die per year from shark attacks? >> i'm guessing six. >> in the united states, it's just one. >> oh, really? >> one per year in the united states. >> i was talking globally. >> in the united states it's just one. bees, hornets, or wasps kill 62 people. >> people have allergic reactions to them. the fact is when you look at this data, you shouldn't be afraid of sharks. there are going to be all these scary stories, but sharks are okay. >> and pbees are nice. bees are good. news continues, cnn prime time with kaitlan collins starts now. ♪