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welcome to cnn tonight. new details about the armed suspect arrested in former president obama's d.c. neighborhood last night. federal prosecutors say the man who already faces charges for the january 6th insurrection went to the obamas' neighborhood after former president trump posted what he claimed was the obamas' address on his social media platform. we have much more on that in a moment. plus we have newly revealed information on what the justice department told a federal court before the fbi did that search of mar-a-lago. this includes surveillance footage outside of a storage room where classified documents were kept in boxes. prosecutors say that evidence was moved. a surge of deadly shootings over the 4th of july holiday. i'll speak with gun owners about their solutions to mass shootings. >> if we are going to live in a nation that has millions of guns in circulation how do we live with them responsibly? a lot of times it is a child getting their hands on their

parents' guns and committing suicide. imagine living with that. >> let's begin with new details about the suspect arrested outside of former president obama's home last week. prosecutors say taylor taranto traveled to the neighborhood after donald trump posted about it on social media. cnn's following the case. >> this man is an accused january 6th rioter who is just now being arrested by federal authorities and that is because he was indeed encountering the secret service outside the obama residence in washington, d.c. last week just after he acknowledged he had seen donald trump's posting on social media of a newsletter that had the obamas' address in it. this story is really highlighting all of the things that have taken place in this man's life, taylor taranto, up until this point years after the

capitol insurrection. he had been on authorities' radar. he was live streaming regularly, had talked about being an insurrectionist. said look ma i'm on tv. i am an insurrectionist at one point this year. in recent weeks was living out of his van federal authorities believe in washington, d.c. he had come the whole way from across the country where he had a family but was living here and repeatedly talking about january 6th and had a number of apparent targets prosecutors say made him a possible flight risk, possible risk to the community. one of those things was that last week he was filming himself and saying that he wanted to take his van and use it to self-detonate, blow up a federal building that has nuclear equipment at it, the national institute of standards and technology. that is when he was being tracked the very next day is

when he then goes into the same neighborhood the obamas live in in washington, d.c., encounters the secret service that protect that area, gets into a chase with them where he finally gets cornered in the woods near their house and federal authorities look in his van and find not only that mattress that he apparently was sleeping on in washington, d.c. but, also, two guns hundreds of rounds of ammunition, and a machete. so this man taylor taranto is now in the federal court system charged by criminal complaint related to his actions on january 6th, two years ago. and prosecutors from the justice department are asking a judge to hold him in jail, to detain him because of the amount of threats they have perceived him to have and exactly what he had done in recent days that led to his arrest warrant and him being picked up by federal authorities. >> thank you very much. i want to turn now to cnn's

chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller and legal analyst joey jackson and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. thank you so much for being here. donald trump posted the obamas' neighborhood and street and, sure enough, this guy showed up with hunof rounds of ammunition, two firearms, a machete. is this when you put somebody's personal information and address out on the internet for anything to happen? >> doxing is when you gather someone's personal information and use it to annoy them, threaten them, harass them, frighten them. this is a little cloudier because donald trump reposted an article that someone else had written a long time ago and this person saw it and then he posted it under his picture saying, i'm here. we've got them surrounded. then he live streams about i have to get a good angle, get

the shot. of course he has two guns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition in his car which certainly suggested he might not have been talking about a better shot with his iphone for live stream. >> it is too cloudy as john said for donald trump to be in trouble for this? is that right? >> it may and it may not. right? i think we have to make a determination as to what is next and what we ultimately determine. it is a bit cloudy but it is not something appropriate or that should be done. kudos to law enforcement for bringing this under control and ultimately making an assessment as to him having weapons and everything else but i think when you do a posting and when it is for the intent to aggravate, harass, annoy and potentially bring harm to someone it needs to be looked at seriously as it relates to the initial person who put that out there not only the former president. i think law enforcement, remember who we're dealing with, a person as noted who is wanted in connection with and being

prosecuted for january 6th. this was a person who has done mischief in the past. there is no reason to believe he would not now. thank goodness the law enforcement caught it >> i think mischief is too kind a word. >> it is. >> he is wanted. he was a fugitive for the insurrection. >> yes. >> he was, you know, live streaming that as well. he was saying things like still waiting to get this show on the road. where is merrick garland? look ma i'm an insurrectionist on tv. he was reveling in this sort of thing. >> on this day in washington he was live streaming this is where the obamas and podestas live and we'll see them in hel. it is suggestive something may happen and while the doxing may not be considered a problem if that is considered a threat and there are lenses through which it would be considered a threat to a former president and former white house official, title 18, threatening anyone under the protection of the secret service and certain former officials

might apply here but they have him for the guns already. they have him for january 6th. those are cases they are still building so there may be more. >> the reason i'm focusing in on this is because the silver linings they did get this guy. the guy, taranto, he was a fugitive basically after january 6th and now they found him. terrific. but this is not the first time former president trump has put out some information and people have acted on it. his followers. this guy was a supporter of donald trump based on his social media that we see and much like the people who were the insurrectionists who say i was following the instruction of the president and that is why i came here. that is what this guy is doing. >> you are exactly right. the individual who took it upon himself to afttack the fbi offie in sint.

we don't need another example but this is unfortunately another example of the fact that there is a segment of our country of people who espouse particularly extremist beliefs who listen very closely to what former president trump says and they believe they are compelled to act on his wishes. many of the people arrested and prosecuted as a result of their involvement in january 6th have testified to that fact and i think this individual is y another example. he is obviously following the former president on social medi he reacts to the posting that included the former president, president obama's address. he reposted it himself. once again it highlights how incredibly dangerous it is for people in political leadership positions be they donald trump or anyone else to validate and encourage these extremist

beliefs to kind of rally up their base or seek whatever political advantage they think they get from it. it translates directly into violent actions. not every day but enough to make it a real threat. >> i was thinking about some of our other elected leaders and how dangerous it is r him too. he was looking for lots of people. this guy also sa he made these ominous comments about speaker mccarthy and also did about congressman jamie raskin and said coming after you mccarthy. nothing can stop what is coming. he was saying similar things about jamie raskin. this is playing with fire. >> it is indeed. if you need anymore inquiry into how dangerous this can be you remember speaker pelosi's husband and what happened as it related to that, right? it could have been a lot worse in that situation. i think at the end of the day, when you have a person caught with these weapons, in an area where he shouldn't be, a person

with bad intentions, you have all the things that add up to someone and i won't say mischief, but certainly a person who is there with bad intentions who could do something, that is pretty substantial, i think certainly we could see charges from this. >> like what? >> the bottom line is obviously it is a trespass. we know that. he is in a neighborhood he shouldn't be. this consciousness of guilt as it relates to him, flight. why are you running ifou weren't doing anything wrong? you know that they recovered things from his car. the inquiry into whether or not he engaged in criminality here is did he take a substantial enough step to engage in any crime and the answer may very well be yes. i think we have to wait and see as to what specific charges. >> half the battle is stopping it. as joey said. turn to the pelosi example. how much of this is huffing and puffing and internet palaver and what part is real? in the police department i remember we had a guy who showed up at gracie mansion, the

mayor's residence and said i'm here to arrest the mayor, citizen's arrest on behalf of qanon. a number of weeks later he showed up at the home of the boss of the gambino crime family and killed him. because he had this conspiracy theory about the government being in league with the mafia and supporting the pedophiles and the deep state and these conspiracy theories run deep in these people's heads. >> that's right and why it is so dangerous to ignite them through whatever means particularly social media. gentlemen, thank you very much for all of that information. we've got newly revealed details on what the doj knew before the search of mar-a-lago. plus law enforcement is testing what they describe as a dime sized bag of cocaine found in the west wing on sunday and trying to identify who brought it into the white house. later the rollercoaster malfunction that left riders stuck upside down for hours.

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my panel of andy mccabe, joey jackson, and john miller is back with me. andy, why would a judge want this to be released to the public? why did the judge want the public to know about this information? >> it looks like the government actually moved to have this document unsealed. you see on the first page, the united states provides notice the document 153-1 has been previously, partially redacted, has been unsealed. so it is likely that the revelation of these documents in discovery has made the continued sealing of this particular affidavit no longer necessary. at least in the most part. there are still some major pieces that remain redacted but more of the document is available for the public. the court has a reference for revealing things and removing the sealed nature of documents as soon as it is no longer necessary to protect the investigation or the sources and things like that. so this is just a kind of a

standard thing for the judge to do during the course of a criminal litigation. >> okay. i got it, john. so this new, less redacted version of the affidavit shows that the doj kneat the boxes were being moved around mar-a-lago. it wasn't even a question. they had video of . so they know more than even the, you know, the people who i assume people at mar-a-lago were wondering what they knew and it turns out they knew more. is that a surprise? >> not to me. if you look at an affidavit in support of a search warrant, you know, you lay out what you need to show that you have probable cause to believe the crime has been committed and the evidence is at this place. they had that and a little bit more. but they include some information to establish pr probable cause but not everything they know. i think the key is it is the same affidavit we saw before but less redacted. what lines got peeled back are interesting, which is really parts that go toward the

obstruction case, which is it's not just that the boxes were being moved and that it was captured on videotape but there was a certain ballet to this movement, moved from here to there on this date but back from there to here on this date and then they include interviews with someone referred to in the document as witness number 5 who we believe to be walt nauta who talks about they observe him moving the bockes on this date and then he is questioned on that date and he is asked specifically about where the boxes are and whether they were moved and where they were moved to and, you know, in the indictment, there is a line where they ask him about the boxes and where they went and how they got there and he says, honestly, i wish i knew. >> uh-oh. >> we're seeing layers of moving the boxes to hide them from what they think is going to be a search warrant and they are right. they know more than the people moving them around thought they did. >> who is in more trouble, former president donald trump or

walt nauta given all of this? >> i think both are and it is important this be released because i think the government wants to be transparent with the american people particularly around this indictment. if you are going after former president, you know the narrative is this is a witch hunt. everyone is out to get me. you want to show the public that we have the goods. we have information demonstrating these boxes were moving around in all types of places. we knew they were moved around. we made efforts to secure them. we reached out to you and said, hey, just give them back. you didn't do that. you misled us several times about it. i think it is so important that everybody see what is going on. the other point to be made and john knows this very well, oftentimes when prosecutors call you in, they have a lot more than you ever imagined they would and are just waiting for you to incriminate yourself. so i think here it spells out chapter and verse this shell game, the lack of cooperation in any regard with the government who just wanted the items back

and had they gotten them back we may not even be here. >> andrew, let's move on to cocaine at the white house. how does this happen? aren't there dogs? when you are checked into the white house as i have been several times aren't there dogs outside? you're being wanded, bags opened up. if this was a visitor let's say since it was in the area where visitors are asked to check some belongings and cell phones, how does this happen? >> really hard to understand how this happens. as you know, if you have a special badge, if you work at the white house and you have a particular i.d. badge, you basically badge your way in past security. they know who you are. they see you every day. you show your i.d. if you are not a white house employee, if you are a visitor there on business you go through several locations of screening including a magnetometer,

putting things through an x-ray machine. i think what this shows us is that possibly in that security search and i'm sure the secret service is asking themselves the same thing now they are looking for things that might cause some sort of risk or threat to the protectees inside the white house and of course the president is most important of those. but maybe they are not looking for the sorts of contraband you would expect somebody like tsa or somebody to look for during their screenings. i suspect this is going to result in a bit of increased vigor and scrutiny given not just to the people and what they have but the miniscule content of bags as they go in and out of the white house. >> john, you think visitor or staffer or what is happening here? >> could be anybody. that entrance is echo 1. i've been through there before, armed, with no check as a police official. i've been through there unarmed as an intelligence official and gone through the process andy

described. you know, he is right. they're looking for anthrax, biological, chemical agents. they're looking for bombs, guns, knives. but they're not looking for, you know, what we would have called a dime bag, i'm sure more than that now of powder in a ziploc. now they are looking for whose print is on the plastic bag? whose skin cell dna might have been left behind? is it in a government record? if they are a staff member, military person, somebody like that the odds are if they can recover it from the bag it is. it could be a reporter who was there for an interview, a citizen there for a special tour arranged by the white house staff. but there are logs, cameras, records. >> so there are cameras. you are saying, would there be cameras in that room? >> right. there are cameras in that room and those cubbies where if you are going into the room, you have to take your cell phones and put them in there. unless this person took this

little tiny bag and did it like a broadway play -- >> i think they'll be caught. >> you do? >> i do. >> you might not see it on the video but you might see the timing of their arrival and some furtive movement. >> a lot of lab analysis and other things. the fbi is pretty adept and i think ultimately they'll get skin cell dna or something else and connect it to one or more individuals in that room. >> fascinating mystery. thank you very much, gentlemen. a holiday weekend of nearly two dozen mass shootings including one in philadelphia where five people were killed. what is behind the surge in violence on the holiday? we talk about that next.

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cities across the u.s. are reeling after a 4th of july weekend marred by gun violence. more than 20 mass shootings over the holiday weekend. that brings the total mass shootings in the u.s. to 357 this year alone. joining me now is cnn's national correspondent ryan young. tell us which cities were hit hardest by the gun violence over the holiday weekend.

>> reporter: when you look at this the spread across the country is shard to look at. you think about philadelphia, baltimore. but one thing i did this afternoon was scanned through a lot of the sound from across the country. people in different communities sound the same way, heartbroken, scared, and afraid after all of these shootings. you see that map. you see the spread across the country. you think about philadelphia where you had people killed. a man randomly walking through with an assault rifle and hand gun shooting at people and injuring and killing them. you have shreveport where there was a block party. it happened 15 years with no problems or incident and all of a sudden three people are shot and killed. they didn't find the fourth body until sometime this morning because there was high grass and they couldn't find that body until it was first light. there are neighbors in that community who say the gun shooting happened for no more than 12 minutes and it goes on where baltimore you had two people killed and 28 others injured. when you think about the totality of this and look at the spread across the country you understand this is such a big

problem from community to community, asking for congress to step in. as you know, we have this conversational the time where people say we need to get down into investigating these crimes and maybe solving them. that doesn't always happen as well. >> let's talk about the philly mass shooting. okay? i understand that those were privately made weapons meaning these ghost guns. how does law enforcement trace those? >> that is the tough part there. they are really handcuffed with this because a lot of times those guns are made, hard to track. you talk to anybody who works in law enforcement and this has become part of their worst nightmare because you can order these parts from the internet, have them arrive, and you can personally put them together. you see what philadelphia is doing here, actually going to sue the makers of some of these supplies for the ghost guns. two of the companies they spotlighted, polymer 80 and jsd supply both hoping to put a stop to some of the ghost guns coming into their community. when you listen to the da who was fired up about this, you can

understand why the pain is really pushing them to make some different changes and go after some of these companies. take a listen. >> all indications are he did it alone in terms of the act itself we see all kinds of indications of premeditation in the weapons he brought, the way he brought them, the clothing he was wearing and things of that sort. when you get into issues of psychological state, motivation, intent beyond the obvious which is that he obviously planned this. >> yeah. one of the reasons we picked that sound bite is when you think about somebody sitting at home who might be mentally challenged or maybe upset or angry or maybe getting ready to do something the idea you can go online and order some of these parts to make a weapon, you can understand how difficult this is for law enforcement who is already dealing with a lot of illegal weapons in the first place. now you add this other component of ghost guns and the conversation is going to take a change especially with this being part of it.

now you see the city stepping up to go after the companies. it will be interesting to see how it plays out. we are at a point where you can't even pray for the victims in one mass shooting before another one happens. a lot of us knew already before the weekend happened that july 4th and 5th would be very difficult for this country. >> it is really interesting, because they are notoriously bad. july 4th for the past decade has seen a spike of mass shooting. it is obviously so tragically ironic about the day, the holiday that is supposed to be celebrating american independence. thank you so much for all of the reporting. what do avid gun owners think the solutions are to mass shootings? i sat down with a group of them and you are about to see part two of pulse of the people. plus this rollercoaster ride goes terribly wrong at a wisconsin festival leaving people stranded upside down not for minutes for hours. we'll tell you about the rescue coming up.

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see. it's been another 48 hours of rampant gun violence in our country. in part two of our conversation with gun owners all of whom are passionate, second amendment advocates, you'll hear their suggestions for what can be done to cut down on this gun violence. but we start with how the gun violence has touched their lives. paul, if you could just tell us a little bit about your personal story. your family was at the clackamas center mall during a mass shooting in december of 2012. and your brother-in-law was killed during that shooting. >> right. my brother-in-law was actually killed by a young man ke a typical mass shooter, 20 something, armed with an assault style rifle. you know, steve was shot from almost point blank rain new jersey the back of his head.

i picked up my sister and spent the next week with them and learned a great deal of the traumatic impact of a shooting on a family. >> then three days later the sandy hook school shooting happened in connecticut. >> when you think you can't feel any worse, you can't feel any lower, and then friday morning that week we have 20 first graders slaughtered in our classroom and six teachers and administrators. by another young man armed with an assault rifle. and so i just said i can't remain silent anymore. i've got to speak up. >> thank you for sharing. i know that is not easy to talk about. ty, i was interested also in your personal story that you became a gun shop owner but you don't send your daughter to school. you home school her because you're afraid of school shootings. is that right? >> part of it, yes, is because i am afraid of it happening. because i believe that with all

of the things going on now with the world that schools need to have the schools with armed security. you know, there are things they need to do to make the schools a hard target. >> yeah. i want to speak to what ty said. i also have a 4-year-old, 1-year-old. i'm joining this conversation because i'm a concerned mom. what we are seeing is that more guns in circulation has not made america safer. you know, as the cdc states it is now the number one cause of death for children. and other countries, you know, don't have to deal with school shootings on a regular basis like we do. and so if we are going to live in a nation that has millions of guns in circulation, how do we live with them responsibly? i think it looks like safe storage laws. a lot of times it is a child getting their hands on their parents' guns and committing suicide. imagine living with that if you

had to live through that personally. >> what do you think the solution is? >> you know, we blame the individual. we blame mental health. we blame the gun. but we also need to blame the masses and masses of production that is being created in regards to guns for the profit of the gun industry. and so we need to remove any mechanism on a state or national level that would absolve the gun industry from any responsibility of the violence that is pervasive in our society. >> go ahead, jed. >> so i think the more income inequality we see in a given society the more violent crime we see. the root cause of violence is not the down stream piece of metal or plastic that is the end result. it is really the upstream problems we need to address. >> gun education. we pulled that out of schools. we put subsidies out there for everything else. electric vehicles, etcetera. this would be a perfect opportunity to put our taxpayer dollars where our mouth is. we need a root cause analysis. there is not a one size fits all

that stops gun violence in this country. what is going on in chicago with gun violence is not the same as omaha, nebraska with gun violence. >> number one the most effective tool in this country to keep guns out of the hands of somebody who shouldn't have a firearm is a universal background check. my brother-in-law was killed, you know, the thing that really got me the next morning was when the officer came over to help us write a public information statement, you know, within of my first questions was doesn't oregon have a safe storage gun law? the shooter knew his buddy didn't lock up his firearms and left them all loaded. and there was no consequence for that gun owner. he didn't have it safely stored and people died because of it. i don't want to carry that burden the rest of my life. i can't believe other people do. >> i'm back with john miller also joined by the new york state republican surrogate and jay michaelsson. i thought it was interesting to

talk to people who don't want to give up their guns. they all have different reasons for having guns and all have what sounded to me like legitimate reasons. they got them through all different times in their lives. but they are of course disgusted by the gun violence and they have different solutions and so it is so maddening and vexing that their lawmakers, all of our elected lawmakers can't do any of these things >> i think there are two things that emerge for me. first there is a tendency to kind of demonize the other side whatever the other side is. we see this is not the case in this issue here. people who care about their guns and second amenitiment but support common sense gun safety regulations. what is frustrating is a lot of these specific regulations that were proposed have already, in the segment, were proposed by democrats and republicans shot them down. i know that joe will say that is because republicans don't trust democrats but there is a reason why people don't trust democrats because there are people sowing mistrust. opportunistic politicians. people in the media. constantly sort of making it

very extreme that you're either an nra lunatic or you want to take away all our guns. neither of these, there are people who are those on the extremes but the vast middle of the society wants sensible gun regulation. i think we need to check about checking our mistrust at the door and taking a risk to actually work together. >> people have to sit at the same table and hash it out together. why can't we solve this? >> there is no trust. i think that is not just on this issue, i think it is across many issues. i think we see time and time again we made compromise an evil word in d.c. but also in our local politics. we see people who are effective, always trying to find ways to leverage power for partisan purposes and we should be able to come to a table and say hey. here are my concerns, your concerns. what is the low hanging fruit there? i think until we'll be able to have a democratic party and a republican party have the conversation ernestly, you know, on some basic level we are wasting our time because

politics always get in the way of the people. >> it is just awful. they are getting in the way of children obviously being killed. young people are being killed and all the gun violence. as a member of the law enforcement community aren't police so frustrated by this, the fact they have to go out into these streets? what is the answer for them? >> very frustrated. one of the reasons they are so frustrated is because we wrestle with this. we struggle with this. there is some kind of mystery like we can't solve this epidemic. it is so hard it's not. if you go to democrats it is like it's the guns. we have to go after the gun makers and the guns. if you talk to republicans they're suddenly interested in mental health. we really have tuna vest in mental health. if you talk to a cop they give you a very simple common sense solution which is we know and we proved in new york city, in miami, in new orleans, in newark, new jersey when you increase gun arrests and when

assertive prosecutors carry those out within the law when gun carriers and shooters go to jail and then to prison, guess what happens? we know this for a fact. gun crime goes down in 2017 and 2018 we had the lowest gun crime in recorded history and then you see they changed the game, the factors, criminal justice reform things, raised the age on juveniles with guns and you see that climb. new york city still hovers in the world of we have three or four murders per 100,000. places like in philadelphia live at 20. places like baltimore live at 50. places like new orleans and st. louis live at 60. this can be fixed. we already know how. we just have to kind of separate the rhetoric from the process >> i think even to that point, even when we had it at our lowest levels it is still too high. so i think the most telling and compelling thing we heard from that panel is something we clearly do not talk about on the news or in society which are the

underlying drivers for the desperation that causes the harm >> i hear you, joe and obviously what chad was saying as well. but that seems harder to tackle than safe storage. like you said, there is some low hanging fruit that could be solved tomorrow. with the wave of a pen. >> we got to learn to walk and chew gum. joe is exactly right. somebody needs to deal with the long term contributors to this. that is a strategic problem. politicians don't like that because it is hard, costly, and they can't take credit for it next year. you really have to invest in that. the crime is the tactical problem. you can fix that right away just by enforcing the laws we have. then you have to invest a decade or two in solving the strategic problem which is racial disparity, poverty, social ills that really are harder to tackle. we keep ignoring that on the idea we can do some quick fix with a piece of legislation or press release. >> there is low hanging fruit on the mental health side as well.

in addition to the factors you just mentioned, there is also, if i'm not encouraging anyone to do this but if folks change the channel there is rhetoric right now on mass media amping up rage, this sense of us versus them. liberals want to destroy the country and things like that. if we look at who is committing some of the mass shootings there is a profile of a sort of young, male, enraged, hard, right wing figure. i am not blaming main stream republicans but there is incitement to violence on the media all the time. >> that is insightful. >> it is true. there is a profile we see repeatedly. >> plenty of profiles but the overwhelming majority of people that get shot every single day are not from that profile. >> mass shooters right now. >> i know we got to go. just quickly here if you are looking at what we commonly describe as mass shooters the definition changes from news cycle to news cycle and i think we lump in the people when it is convenient and exclude their pain when it is inconvenient and i think that is what we're

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of the loop, and took special chrome and teams of rescuers to get them down. joining me, now two of the heroes who helped bring everyone down to safety. captain brendan -- and lieutenant adam phin of the fire department. gentlemen, thank you so much for being here. captain, let me start with, you how did this happen? do you know what went wrong with this ride? >> this time, we do not know what went wrong. all we know, is the ride was stuck. >> okay, so you had to devise a plan with your team of how to get everybody down. how long did that take? you did you know what to do in the situation? >> pretty much as soon as it was dispatcher you are already starting to call resources knowing we did not have the special equipment, or the specialized -- that we needed to affect this rescue. >> how did you know you needed specialist training? >> just off of previous training and awareness, knowing

that this was -- feet up in the air we don't have that specialized training in order to affect that rescue, and there is other trucks, specialized rescue teams, and this is what they specialize in. >> lieutenant, this is you that we see in this video in the -- so i think that issue we are watching right there. so it took hours. how did you -- were you talking to the people hanging upside down? how are you keeping them calm while doing this? >> yes we were talking to them whole time, actually had two other guys from -- with me as well doing the rescue i was more in charge of operating the platform there with the truck, it is very helpful with this kind of situation where we can get safely onto that platform, you can see the other -- therefore guidance in assistance they needed additional help. >> and what kinds of things

where they saying, and what were you guys saying to them? >> overall they were very, scared we were trying to get the must come as we could and what is -- for fun just dealing with kids you have to give them distracted and give them assignments so to speak. you need them to help us in a way to get them down and would tell them hey, we need you guys to do this, or something distracting them enough to keep them calm. >> how old were they? >> i believe the ages were from eight to teenagers, and there was an adult gentleman as well. >> and then also, lieutenant, you could not just, i think from what i have, red you could not just -- you had to tether them, or maybe they already were tethered together. what complicated this rescue? >> so because of how the cars are designed, when you use the key to open up a harnesses for would come off at once. some had more people and, them soviet to tether the other side to make sure -- and then, just individually

rescue each person stories ladder belts and secured them to the bucket as well as to, us and -- healthy for that way. >> that would have been a disaster if you had -- captain cook, did you know the key would open for at once and all of them would fall out? >> when we initially got on the scene, it was -- one at a time, shortly after we figured that was not the case, that was what else would accelerate us asking for additional help because we realized this was such a complicated situation. >> captain, are you going to go on a rollercoaster ever again? >> i personally am not a fan of heights to begin with. and, and that type of situation. so i'm going to continue keeping both feet firmly planted on the ground. >> good thinking. you? >> i am an adrenaline junkie, so i try anything, once we will see. >> gentlemen, thank you very much. great work. thank you for explaining it to us. >> thank you.

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