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there. good evening. we begin tonight with a picture of the -- last week with firearms in and a van full of ammunition in a washington neighborhood home to many dignitaries, including former president and ms. obama the details coming from a court filing from a suspect, keller toronto, be kept in custody, and they are chilling alleged threats against speaker kevin mccarthy and democratic congressman jamie raskin. also that he allegedly livestreamed a claim that he had a detonator for explosives and evidence that he got the obama address from a social media post by former president trump. caitlin polantz is working the story and joins us now. walk us through the timeline of what exactly the former president did and one discuss showed up in the obama neighborhood, and how it connects to. >> anderson, there is not a long time between the two events happening, so donald trump post newsletter that reportedly at the address of the obamas endeavor hood, where they live now in washington, d.c., and taylor toronto, he or
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post that and says, got them surrounded. and then after that, he was already on the radar of federal officials. they were already checking him because of other things that he was doing and saying online, but then he starts livestreaming himself in their neighborhood in washington d.c.. secret service are there because they protect the residents around the obamas, when they encounter him, he takes off on foot. they chasten essentially into the woods, where they arrest him, and then they look in his van, and that is where they found evidence that he had been living out of his van, they believe, in washington d.c. for the last few months and quite a bit of weaponry, as well that was being kept in the event. >> and you know how many weapons he had on him? >> yeah, actually, prosecutors say in their memo to the court asking to keep him held in detention, that he had two guns in the vehicle and andres of rounds of ammunitions, also a machete. but they also say that he has
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20 constructed to his name. they only found the two in his van. this is a man from washington state with the family there, but like i said, he had been in washington, d.c., apparently giving out of his van for the past couple of months. >> he's done bizarre things before, been on their radar? >> absolutely, and that is actually one of the things that is so important about the story that this is the long art of january six. this was a man on their radar because he was at the capitol on january six. he carried a cane and was in a scuffle with police officers and they have been tracking him. he started livestreaming some really unusual things. he went to an elementary school and was lecturing about january six because that elementary school was near a democratic lawmakers home in maryland outside of the district of columbia. and then he was livestreaming and self trying to get access to the videos of january six
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that speaker kevin mccarthy had on capitol hill, so he kept livestreaming himself and then finally said he had his van and wanted to blow it up, self detonate it outside a federal building. that's when the fed started looking for him. and then the next day, he ends up at the obama residence. >> caitlin polantz, thank you. joining us now is cnn intelligence analyst john miller and political analyst maggie haberman and jonathan roc roe, a former secret service agent that is now a senior cnn analyst. john miller, it's extraordinary that prosecutors in the case involving physical violence against officials, perhaps even the former president obama and as wife, are citing a posting by another former president, again, we don't know if trump read what he posted. we don't know if this got rid it, but it's incredible. >> it's a trump repo specifically an old article where the streets of where the obamas lived in washington
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right after he left the white house is mentioned. and then this individual posts the under his, i am here, we got them surrounded posts. the timing is too coincidental to be an accident. at least on the part of taylor toronto, who seems to follow that post, read that post, re-post it and then go straight there. the day before, wednesday, the 28, he had a totally different target. he was focused on the national institute for standards and technology, which fits into a lot of qanon conspiracies. right after that is literally on the street where the obamas lived saying that we got them surrounded. i am looking for the tunnels underneath, they connect the houses, the entrance ways and so on. >> so he is a real qanon? >> he is a conspiracy theorists, a stolen election there is, a january six rioter, literally
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right there immediately after the woman or shot, breaking through the window by the capitol police, in the heart of the capital. and, of course, all the other qanon theories that he has posted about. >> maggie, in terms of the former president, i feel like we had this discussion probably, a gazillion times. but does he read the stuff he retweets? >> sometimes. sometimes not. and he finds it in different ways. often, he looks at the replies to what people write to him. it's been harder to discern with some of his habits are using his own social media site as opposed to what he did with twitter, when there were a lot of aides who were working in the white house under him or -- but he has been much more, to use the word reckless, i think it's appropriate here -- he's been much more reckless in terms of what he is willing to re-post or re-truth or whatever he calls it on his site. and he is constantly re-posting content that, had he done it on twitter, it would have gotten a lot of different attention. and had he been doing it on twitter before he was banned it would have created all kinds of
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consternation at the pre-elon musk company. and then, i think, as john said, it appears as if the timing is related to this gentleman's showing up at former president obama's home. it is hard to ignore the fact that a lot of people who are adherence of qanon or who listen to trump's verbal cues on other issues have looked at his social media feed over time and taken inspiration from it. >> he also plays up to qanon. there's no doubt about it. >> and more now than he ever did before. there were sort of winks and nods when he was in the white house. now it is just much more open. in various ways -- including at his rallies. >> i think if you look at that last tweet, we are he has got himself in silhouette, and the words on his graphic is, the storm is coming, which is a qanon slogan, that was the day he kind of went over from saying, well, i only vaguely understand them and they seemed like most people. >> i don't know who they are but they say nice things about me. >> -- to associate himself directly
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with the icon-ology of qanon. >> jonathan, the secret service, they have enough challenges keeping everyone under protection, it's, again just extraordinary to me that at least on some level they now also have to worry about another former president posting information data could potentially endanger other officials and other former presidents. >> yeah, anderson, it's crazy that we are even talking about this, right? but we've actually discussed how threatening language, and highlighting attributes of an individual, by a prominent public official such as the former president's dangerous. and as we were just discussing those messages can be misinterpreted and they can be this interpreted as a call to physical action or harm against an individual or people associated with them. think about the issue with paul pelosi. so these statements that are made these postings, they go beyond social norms. they are actually -- you know, they have a consequence. and we know that these messages have a consequence, not just from the actions of january 6th, but, in this case as well, we have an individual who feels
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empowered to act and engage in some sort of conspiracy theory action, because he feels supported by online postings. he thinks that he is being directed or inspired by either the former president or proxies. that is so dangerous, not only for the secret service, in the protection of the former president, but for law enforcement broadly in protection of all public officials. >> john, it does seem like, in this case -- i mean, he got on their radar pretty quickly and they seem to kind of keep track of him. >> so, he was on the fbi radar because of his january six things. and, in fact, one of the strangest parts about the saga here is, he was posting in his own social media, here i am, come and get me, i am a january 6th rioter, look, mom, i am an insurrectionist. and baiting the fbi as they
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were developing that case. here, you see a system that really worked. because fbi washington field office is detecting he's -- livestreaming from washington. the capital police put out to be on the lookout for and they have got his picture and information on his vehicle. the secret uniform division actually spots him and brings agents into the area. and it all comes together before something happens. -- a guy who is talking about having a self-driving vehicle that he was going to load with explosives and crash into the nearest building in -- maryland before he kind of self re-directed to the obamas. could he have done that? there is fuel in the vehicle. there was gasoline, there was rags and bottles. it's the kind of thing he would make molotov cocktails from. was he building a large incendiary device from the back? he had a steering wheel lock
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which you could have activated the accelerator and kept it on the straight path towards the building. farfetched, amateurish -- but certainly, when you put together what he was driving around with and what he was talking about building it is probably good that they stopped him when they did. >> and just in terms of the former president, he's spent the 4th of july -- it sounds like he was having a really happy 4th of july. the f-biden, a picture of himself dressed up as as george washington. another depicting the burning of the white house. there were these attacks on the special counsel, today, which seems especially low. what is going on with him? >> i think -- one of the version that -- yes, you are seeing an angry version of trump, and a lot of people around him like to say, he's not angry about these indictments. he is angry about these indictments. and you are seeing it play out. but what i would argue anderson, is that the version that you are seeing of him now that we have seen on the campaign trail, is the version that we started seeing in 2020 in the lead up to his claims his false claims, about the november 2020 election. he was planning on doing all
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kinds of things in his final year in office, seizing control of the federal bureaucracy making changes to it, getting the white house that he wanted in terms of staffing, and they sort of anger and undercurrent of retribution. a lot of this is very authentic to him, but i think this is his most authentic version. >> maggie haberman, appreciate it john miller, and jonathan wackrow as well -- still so much to come tonight -- another january 6th defendant who is also arrested, by this time, a grandmother -- she chose a different path. she talked to our gary tuchman about the former president xi now calls a master manipulator after he tried to highlight her arrest. also, cocaine at the white house -- and the first hints about who may have left it in the west wing or at least where? and later, a string of shark sightings, close calls and worse. and, yes, that is a sharks dorsal fin feet away from the swimmers. are there actually more sharks nearer to shore than usual? we'll take a look at the numbers next. urists that turn into scientists. tour ist taking photos that are analyzed by ai. so researchers can help life underwater flourish. ♪
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when this bag containing a white, powdery substance was found at the white house on sunday evening and subsequently tested positive for cocaine. and one thing to know here is that where this was found is on the ground for entrance to the west wing. this is where visitors are typically brought into the west wing for tours on the weekends and it's also an entrance frequently used by white house officials. i am told us this dime-sized bag of cocaine was actually found inside one of the cubbies where visitors are asked to put their cell phones before entering the west wing. those companies are also used by white house officials before they go into his scif where they can view classified information. the situation room, in fact, anderson, it just around the corner. now, today, the white house press secretary, she repeatedly left the impression that this could have been a visitor, talking about the fact that this was a highly heavily trafficked and trafficked traveled area of the white house and also noting that this is where visitors come in and out -- one thing that we should note, she wouldn't rule out, first of
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all, that this could still be a white house official, and secondly, we should know that people who come on these west wing tours, they typically know someone in the administration or they know someone who knows someone -- so, these stories are not easy to get for any member of the public. >> and i guess nobody knows how long it's actually been there. because i would think of those things are searched every day, then it would be pretty easy to figure out how many people were actually using those cubbies on any given day. >> yeah, it's hard to know. this was -- this white house is cleaned every day, they are secret services service officers who are going by. you would think that it would have been found descended. but there's no way of knowing at this point. >> jeremony diamond, thank you. former president mike pence called the incident a very serious matter and said the american people deserve answers. he made those comments and a series of stops in iowa, the nation's first -- whose campaign is so far lagging in the polls. kyung lah joins us now from sioux city, in iowa. so, what kind of message has the former vice president ben
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trying to spot there in iowa? >> well, especially with trump looming so large in the state, and you have those evangelical voters that you are talking about, anderson. all of this is very clear at this event that just wrapped up moments ago in sioux city, inside this crowd that came, and gathered to listen to mike pence. there was a man who is wearing a trump 2024 cap. another woman, a voter, who asked about his role on january 6th and if he should have ceremoniously certify the vote that day and he potentially change history. so, what he did as vice president, his actions everything he did in the administration, certainly, is how he is known to voters here in iowa. and he is trying to forge his own path. the campaign says he will do that by meeting voters where they are, going to all 99 counties and talking to them one-on-one. so, will it work? one voter here told us, she was convinced. another voter said, no absolutely not. she was sticking with trump. so, the question, though, is
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whether or not there are enough republicans like this woman. i want you to listen to. who says, she admires what pence did on january 6th. take a listen. >> he was in a precarious situation himself in the capital building. so, i appreciated that he stood his ground. and we -- need to pray for him, that he can overcome some of the people, right now, who are polling ahead of him. >> but very early, anderson -- it's still summer. so, there's a lot of counties yet to hit. anderson? >> obviously, evangelical christians have always been an important base of support for mike pence. how is he doing with them this time around? >> you know, i have spoken to, on background, half a dozen evangelical pastors in the state of iowa. every event we have gone to, we have run into evangelical christians. and we talk about faith in regards to mike pence and his
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future in this caucus, and what they will all tell you uniformly, is that they admire him for his fate. they believe it is authentic. when he quotes scripture, they know he means it, and they believe him. so, there is no question about that. the question is, in this state where you have pence, who is a midwesterner, who is an evangelical, who has been in congress and in the executive branch -- he is somebody who should be doing very, very well. the issue is is that he is talking to trump's republican party. and it is a matter of whether or not he can convince them that those credential should win in iowa. >> kyung lah, appreciate it. one of the key issues in the upcoming presidential race abortion, is already being decided on the state level. the latest battleground, ohio, in the fight of our constitutional amendment to protect abortion rights -- jed zeleny has more. >> box by box, a summer showdown over abortion in ohio intensified today, as supporters of abortion rights delivered hundreds of thousands
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of signatures, demanding the issue be placed on the november ballot. >> these boxes, obviously, contain signatures a real ohioans. >> it is overwhelming. it is just an absolutely stunning moment. i can't believe we are here. >> for months, dr. aziz has been part of an effort to help voters decide whether to in shrine abortion rights in the ohio constitution -- >> and return the debate back to the states. >> i was never very political before all they started last year and so this has made me pay more attention, and i think it will do the same for others. >> a year after the landmark dobbs decision, violet has ripples from courtrooms to the campaign trail, energizing democrats -- >> i trust the women of america -- >> and alarming republicans -- >> i don't judge anyone for being pro-choice. >> in ohio, gop lawmakers are going to great lengths to stop the abortion rights movement. it started last summer in kansas, we are an abortion
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measure drew historic turnout for an august election, with a resigning 59% voting to protect abortion rights. michigan voters followed suit last fall, with 57% voting to change the states constitution. those outcomes were so alarming to opponents of abortion rights in ohio they are taking the extraordinary step of trying to change the rules in place for more than a century on ballot issues. it is called issue one, which seeks to raise the threshold to change ohio's constitution from a simple majority of 50% to a supermajority of 60%. >> they are trying to sneak an election in august, when people are on vacation, and they are getting ready for school, when you are not used to voting. and they are doing that on purpose. because they know that their agenda is not the agenda of ohioans. >> the 700,000 signatures submitted today must still be verified by ohio's republican secretary of state, frank la rose. at a recent county gop dinner, he made no apologies for using the august election to stop the
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abortion rights effort. >> this is 100% about keeping a radical pro abortion amendment out of our constitution. the left once a jam it in there this coming november! >> why should this series 70 should be decided in august? >> so, there is no time like the president to protect ohio's constitution. >> amy of protect women ohio, a coalition that opposes -- abortion rights dismissed suggestions that the august election was in anyway undemocratic. >> ohioans should be reminded of the fact that this is allowing them to determine how their constitution is amended. we have seen the other side saying, one person, one vote. this takes away the peoples voice. not at all. >> and jeff zeleny joins us now. if issue 1 succeeds in august, how confident are abortion rights supporters of reaching 60% in november? >> anderson, that 60% threshold is significantly high. and it is a much bigger hurdle than a majority of 50%. if you look at other states that have had a similar
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amendment, neighboring michigan, for example, of course a much bluer state had 57% of the votes -- so, the 60% threshold worries them and that is why they are trying to defeat that august amendment. it is why the august special election is even happening. republican legislative leaders believe that is the best way to stop this. now, interestingly, this is falling along partisan lines to appoint. but two former republican governors here in ohio -- bob taft and john kasich -- have come out against this august special election. they said this simply is not the way to amend the states constitution. it is too important for that for this issue and other issues going forward. so, one thing is clear. for the next month here in this summer campaign, abortion is front and center in ohio. >> all right, jeff zeleny, appreciate it. just ahead, a grandmother arrested for participating in january 6th is now speaking out about the former president's lies -- and gary tuchman has the story
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get, out nobody was hurt on long island, new york, authorities are increasing their shark patrols after five people were bitten, likely by sharks in 24 hours. including 2:15 year olds. all had non life-threatening injuries. thankfully. there are a lot of shark sightings in the summer, always, so the question is, is any of this unusual? our senior day reporter henry enten joins us. i see these headlines, gets people worried about sharks. but i feel like the sharks are always out there. is this unusual? >> no, it is not. in fact, you know, i looked into this. and what we see is that the number of shark attacks, basically through this same point of last year's equivalent pretty much to the number of shark attacks that we have had this year. both in the united states and in the low 20s, there is a margin of error. these are verified attacks sometimes it's difficult, as we might confuse -- when you say attacks, we should point, out sharks are trying to kill people. >> i always thought watching jobs that sharks, we are on their fujian, we are not on their food chain. they bite because they are
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curious and that is how they sense things. but people bleed out because they are sharks. >> that is exactly right. i think charles and in large part that 1970s film has a big thing to do with the reason why we are also afraid of sharks. and i know that my self, i am scared of a lot of things, sharks are definitely one of. them i am also scared of jellyfish underwater, which actually -- >> really, fish i too am scared of them. what animals are americans most afraid of? >> yes so if we essentially look at some polling data which says that, okay, what do you fear in the water? right? who do you fear on land? >> turns out ipsos pulled it. >> ipsos factors. >> ipsos polls for a lot of things, as i like to, say there is a number for everything anderson. and what we see is that, in fact, snakes are at the top of the list. we also see alligators at the top of the list. sharks are right there as well. these are way down. but my understanding, anderson is that you have in fact swam with some sharks? >> i have, i have. have gone diving with great whites of cape town. did it for 60 minutes and cnn, with a cage. yeah, that was terrifying. >> but it did change my perspective and made me less
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fearful of sharks. because i mean they were right around you, you could see that we are not in a cage, there was a great whites, the water is chunked with blood and, you know, it was ludicrous, but it was fascinating. >> you also swim with some crocodiles? >> i swim with an oil crocodiles, also for 60 minutes. which is not to be recommended at all. it is actually incredibly dangerous. but, yeah, i was in this underwater cave with these crocodiles. >> they kill,, like great whites killed maybe six people a year on average, i think again, it's just by white people unable to. now crocodiles actually can we will need them. they kill i think at least 200 people a year along the banks in the oka manga -- >> you are more freight of crocodiles? >> i am legitimately, yeah people should be. yeah, absolutely. >> what i -- >> i am the idiot who went in the cage with them without a cage or anything and there was like, you know, i am literally staring this thing face to face. >> but you did it for science?
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that's right. >> yes. >> you are a scientist. >> what causes more fatalities? >> this is the thing we should point, you know when the average people die per year from shark attacks? e six. >> in the united states it is just one. one per year in the united states. in the united states is just one. look at that, bees, hornets, swaps, these hornets and what killed 60 people. >> because of allergic reactions? >> right, when you look at this data you really shouldn't be afraid of sharks. they are gonna be all these scary stories. but sharks, they are okay.