ukrainian president zelenskyy. in an exclusive interview with my colleague erin burnett. the ukrainian president shared that is the soundtrack that prepares him to cope with the war he has been facing. >> i like a cdc. and ukrainian music. of course like ukrainian music a lot. the native language, that is why you understand, music the words et cetera. a cdc, i don't understand all of the words. >> but you like the music? >> i like the energy of a cdc. i like eric clapton. guns and roses. maybe it is old music. >> we are the same. >> not too old at all. thank you so much for joining us. cnn tonight with alison camerota starts right now. >> ac/dc is good for everything, it turns out. kaitlan, thank you very much. good evening, everyone, i am alisyn camerota. welcome to cnn tonight. new details about the armed suspect arrested in former president obama's d. c.

neighborhood last week. federal prosecutors say that a man who already faces charges for the january 6th insurrection went to the abominate right after former president trump posted what he claimed was the address on his social media platform. we have much more on that in a moment. plus, newly-revealed information on what the justice department told a federal court before the fbi did that search of mar-a-lago. this includes surveillance footage outside a storage room classified documents were kept in boxes. prosecutors say that evidence was moved. a surge of deadly shootings over the 4th of july holiday. i will speak with gun owners about their solutions to mass shootings. >> if we are going to live in a nation that has millions of guns in circulation, then how do we live with them responsibly? a lot of times, it is a child getting their hands on their parents guns, and committing suicide. imagine living with that? >> okay, let's begin with new

details about the suspect who was arrested outside of former president obama's home last week. prosecutors say taylor taranto traveled to the neighborhood after donald trump posted about it on social media. cnn's katelyn polantz is following this case. katelyn? >> alisyn, this man is an accused january 6th rioter who is just now being arrested by federal authorities, and that is because he was, indeed, encountering the secret service outside of the obama residence in washington, d. c., last week, just after he acknowledged he had seen donald trump's posting on social media of a newsletter that had the obamas address and it. this story is really highlighting all of the things that have taken place in this man's life. taylor taranto, up until this point years after the capitol insurrection. he had been on authorities radar, he was livestreaming regularly, had talked about being an insurrection. he said look, mom, i'm on tv, i'm an insurrectionist at one

point this year. in recent weeks, he was living out of his van. federal authorities believe, he was in washington, d. c., had come away across the country where he had a family that was living here, and repeatedly talking about january 6th, and had a number of apparent targets that prosecutors say made him a possible flight risk, a possible risk to the community. one of those things was that, last week, he was filming himself and saying that he wanted to take his van and use it to self-detonate, blow up a federal building that has nuclear quitman at, it the national institute of standards and technology. that is when he was being tracked the very next day, when he then goes into the same neighborhood the obamas live in in washington, d. c., and counters a secret service that protect that area, gets into a chase with them where he

finally gets cornered in the woods near their house, and federal authorities look in his van, find not only that mattress that he apparently was sleeping on in washington, d. c., but two guns with hundreds of rounds of ammunition, and a machete. this man, taylor taranto, he is now in the federal court system charged by a criminal complaint related to his actions on january 6th two years ago, and the prosecutors from the justice department are asking a judge to hold him in jail to detain him because of the amount of threats that they have perceived him to have, and exactly what he had done in recent days that led to his arrest warrant, and being picked up by federal authorities. alisyn? katelyn polantz, and you very

much. i want to turn now to cnn chief law enforcement and intelligen analyst john miller, and legal analysjo jackson, and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. gentlemen, thank you so much for being here. john, donald trump posted the of obamas neighborhood and street. sure enough, this guy shut up with hundreds of rounds of ammunition, to firearms, and a machete. is this what's called doxxing? is this when you put someone's personal information and address out on the internet for anything to happen? >> doxxing is when you gather someone's personal information,

and use it to harass them, annoy them, frightened them, threatened them. in this case, it's a little cloudy year because what donald trump did was he reposted an article that someone else had written a long time ago, and this person saw it, and he posted it under his picture, saying, i'm here, we've got them surrounded. he then live about, i've got to get a good angle, i've got to get the shot. of course he has two guns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition in his car, which, you know, it suggests he might not have been talking about getting a better shot with his livestream. >> joey, it's too cloudy, as john says, for donald trump to be in trouble for this. is that right? >> well, it may, it may not. i think we have to make a determination as to what is next, and what we ultimately determine. it is a bit cloudy, but it is not something that is appropriate, or not something that should be done. kudos to law enforcement, right, for bringing this under control, and for making an assessment as to him having weapons, and everything else. i think, when you do a posting, and it's for the intent to aggravate, harass, ignore, and potentially bring harm to someone, i think it needs to be looked at seriously, not only as it relates to the former president, but as it relates to the initial person who put that out there. i think a lot enforcement, remember who we are dealing with, a person as noted who is wanted in connection with, and being prosecuted for january

6th. it is a person who's done mischief in the past, there's no reason to believe he would not be mischief now. thank goodness a lot enforcement caught it. >> i think mischief is to kind of a word. >> it is, it is. >> he is wanted, he was a fugitive for the insurrection, and he was, you know, livestreaming that as well. he was saying things like, still waiting to get this show on the road, where is merrick garland. look, mom, i'm an insurrectionist on tv. he was reveling -- >> and on this day in

washington, he is a live streaming, you know, this is where the obamas and protests live, we will see them in. it suggests if something is about to happen. while the doxxing may not be a problem, if that is considered a threat, and there are lenses through which that would be considered a threat to the former president, and a former white house official, -- u.s. code -- of threatening anyone who is under the protection of the secret service, and certain former officials might apply here. they have them for their guns

already. they have for january six, and those are cases that they are still building. there may be more. >> andrew, the reason i'm focusing in on this is because the silver linings that they did get this guy. the guy, taranto, was a fugitive after january 6th, and now they found him, terrific. this isn't the first time that former president trump has put

out some information and people have acted on. it he has followers. this guy was a supporter of donald trump, based on his social media that we see, and, much like the people who were the insurrectionists who say, oh, i was following the instruction of the president, that's why i came here, that is what this guy is doing. >> you are exactly right, you are exactly right. cesar sayoc, right, or the individual who took it upon himself to attack the fbi office in cincnati. we don't need another example, but this is another example of the fact that there is a segment of our country, of people who espoused particularly extremist beliefs who listen very closely to what former president trump says, and they believe they are compelled to act on his wishes, and many of the people who had been arrested and prosecuted as

a result of their involvement in january six, have testified to that fact, and this individual is yet another example of that. he is following former president on social media, he reacts to the posting, that included the former president, president obama,'s address. how do we know that? he reposted it himself. it, once again, highlights how incredibly dangerous it is for people in political leadership positions, be they donald trump or anyone else, to validate and encourage these extremist lis to rally up their base, or seek whatever political advantage they think they get from it. it translates directly into violent actions. not every day, but enough to make it a threat. >> i was thinking about some of our other elected leaders, and how dangerous it is for them as well. he was looking for lots of people. this guy also said he made these -- speaker mccarthy, and he did about congressman jamie raskin. he says, coming at you, mccarthy, can't stop what's coming, as you said, john. nothing could stop what's coming. he was saying similar things about jamie raskin. this is not -- this is playing with fire. >> it is, indeed. if you need any more, right, inquiry into how dangerous this could be, do you remember speaker pelosi's husband, and remember what happened as it related to that, right? it could have been a lot worse. i think, at th day, right, wpers where he shouldn a person with d intentions, when you have all the things that add up to someone, and i won't say mischief, but certainly a person who was there with bad intentions who could do something, that is pretty substantial, i think, certainly, we could see charges emanating from this. we know january six -- >> like what? what kinds of things? >> listen, the bottom line is, obviously, it's a trespassed, we know that, he is in a neighborhood community he shouldn't be. this consciousness of guilt, as

it relates to him flighting, right? why are you running if you weren't doing anything wrong? you know that they recovered things from his car. were those authorized? where they'the inquiry into whet he engaged here the bsta eng weas i th -->> i think hais as joey said, turnto the pelohow much of this is huffingd puffing, and internet pullover, and what part of it is real? i could remember in the police department, we had a guy showed up at gracie mansion, the mayor's residents, said i'm here to arrest the mayor, a citizens arrest, on behalf of qanon. a number of weeks later, he showed up at the home of the boss of the gambino crime family, and killed him because he had this conspiracy theory about the government being in league with the mafia, and supporting the pedophiles, the deep state. these conspiracy theories run deep in these people's heads. >> that's right, that's why it's so dangerous to ignite them, through whatever means particularly in social media. gentlemen, thank you very much for all of that information. we've got a newly-revealed the details on what the doj knew before the search of mar-a-lago. plus, law enforcement is testing what they described as

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>> new details tonight about what the justice department knew before the search of former president trump's mar-a-lago resort. we are learning the prosecutors have surveillance footage from multiple angles showing that boxes of classified documents were moved. my panel of andy mccabe, joey jackson, and john miller is

back with me. let me start with you, why would a judge want this to be released to the public? why would a judge want the public to know about this information? >> it looks like the government actually moved to have this document and sealed. you could see on the first page, the united states provides notice the document, 153 dash one, has been previously redacted and has been unsealed. so, it is likely that the revelation of these documents and discovery has made the continued stealing of this particular affidavit no longer necessary, at least in the most part. there are still major pieces here that remain redacted. but more of the document is available for the public, the court has a preference for revealing things, and removing the seal nature of documents astern as it is no longer necessary to protect the investigation or sources or things like that. this is kind of a standard thing for the judge to do during the course of a criminal litigation. >> i got it. so, this new, less redacted

version of the affidavit shows the doj knew that the boxes were being moved around mar-a-lago. it wasn't even a question. they had video of it. so they know more than even the people who i assume, the people at mar-a-lago are wondering what they knew and it turns out that they knew more. is that a surprise? >> not to me. if you look at an affidavit in support of a search warrant, you lay out what you need to show that you have probable cause to believe a crime has been committed, and the evidence is not this place, they had that and a bit more. but they include some information to establish probable cause but not everything they know. i think the key is, it is the

same affidavit we saw before but less redacted. so what lines got peeled back are interesting. which is really parts that go towards the obstruction case, which is that it is not just the boxes that were being moved and that it was captured on videotape, but there was a certain valet to this movement. they were moved from here to there but then back from here to there on this date. then they include interviews with someone who is referred to in the document as witness number five. who we believe to be world not a, who talks about how they observed him moving the boxes on this date. then his question on that date. then he's asked specifically about where the boxes are. and whether they were moved, where they were moved to, and in the indictment, there is a line where they asked him about the boxes and where they went and how they got their. he says honestly, i wish i knew. so we are seeing layers of moving the boxes to hide them from what they think is going to be a search warrant. they are right. they more than the people who are moving them around thought

they did. >> who's in more trouble? former president donald trump, or walt nauta? >> i think it is important that this be released because i think the government wants to be transparent with the american people. particularly around this indictment. if you are going after the former president, the narrative is that this is a witch hunt, everyone is out to get me, you want to show the public that we have the goods. we have information demonstrating that these boxes were moving around in all types of places, we knew they were moved around, we made efforts to secure them. we reached out to you and said just give them back. you didn't do that, you misled us several times about it. i think it is so important that everybody see what is going on. the other point to be made, and john knows this very well, oftentimes when prosecutors call you in, they have a lot

more than you ever imagine that they would and they are just waiting for you to incriminate yourself. so i think here that is spells out chapter and verse, the lack of cooperation in any regard, with the government who just wanted the items back, and have they gotten them back, we may not even be here. >> andrew, we will move on to cocaine at the white house. how does this happen? aren't there dogs? when you are being checked into the white house, as i have several times, are there dogs outside. your bags are being opened up, if this was a visitor, let's say, since it was in the area where visitors are asked to check some of their belongings and stuff, how does this happen? >> really hard to understand how this happens because as you know, alison, if you have a special badge, if you work at the white house and you have a particular i. d. badge, you basically badge your way in the past security. they know who you are, they see you every, day you share your idea. but if you are not a white house employee, if you are a visitor there on business, you go through several, several locations of screening and any clues include surrendering all of your bags and you are separating out your electronic devices. putting those things through an x-ray machine. so i think what this shows us

is that possibly in the security search, i'm sure that the secret service is asking themselves the same question, they are looking for things that might cause some sort of a risk or a threat to the protect he is inside of the white house. of course, the president, is the most important of those. maybe they are not looking for these sorts of contraband that you would expect tsa or somebody to look for during their kind of screening. i suspect that this is going to result in a bit of an increased vigor and scrutiny that is given not just to people on what they have, but the absolute miniscule content of bags that's going into the white house. >> john, do you think it is a visitor, a staffer, what do you think is happening here? >> could be anybody. that is echo one. i have been through there before. i've been through their armed, with no check has a police

official. i have been through their unarmed as an intelligence official, going through the process and he described. and you know, he is right, they are looking for anthrax. they are looking for biological chemical agents. they are looking for bombs, guns, knives, but they are not looking for what we would've called a dime bag, i'm sure it's more than that now, of powder in a ziplock. what they are looking for is who's print is on that plastic bag, whose skin still dna might have been left behind, is it in a government record, is there a staff member military person, something like that, the odds are if they can recover it from that bagot is. it could be a reporter who is there for an interview, a citizen who is there for a special tour, arranged by the white house staff, but there are long, there are cameras, there are records. >> there are cameras. but would there be cameras in that room? >> there are cameras in that

room. and there are those cubbies where if you are going into this room, you've got to take your cell phones and put them in their. but unless this person took the tiny little bag and did it the way you do it in a broadway play, i think they will be caught. >> you might not see it on the video, but you might see the timing of their arrival, and further movement. >> the fbi is pretty adept at, this ultimately you see the skin cell, dna they will connected to one or more individuals who are in that room. >> fascinating mystery. it will be solved. thank you very much, gentlemen. all right, holiday weekend of nearly two dozen mass shootings. including one in philadelphia, where five people were killed. plus, what is behind the surge in violence on the holiday, we will talk about that next.

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>> cities across the u. s. are reeling after a fourth of july weekend marked by gun violence. more than 20 mass shootings over the holiday weekend. that brings the total mass shootings in the u.

s. to 357 this year alone. joining me now is cnn national correspondent ryan young. tell us which cities were hit hardest by the gun violence over this holiday? >> when you look at this, the spread across the country is just so hard to look, at and you think about philadelphia, you think about baltimore, one thing i did this afternoon once i scanned through a lot of the sound from across the country. people in different communities sound the same way. heartbroken, scared, and afraid, especially after all the shootings. you see the spread across the country, if you think about philadelphia, where you had five people killed, you had a man randomly walking through with an assault rifle and a handgun just shooting at people. and injuring and killing them. you have shreveport, where there was a block party that happened with 15 years, no problems, no incident, and all of a sudden three people were shot and killed. they did not find the fourth body until sometime this morning, because there was high grass and they couldn't find

that body and tell it was first light. the gun shooting happened for more than 12 minutes, and then it goes on we're baltimore, you had two people killed and then 20 others injured. when you think about the totality of this and you look at the spread across the country, you understand that this is such a big problem from community to community. they were asking for congress to step in but as you know, we have those conversations all the time where people say that we really need to get down and to investigate these crimes to maybe solving them but that always doesn't happen as well. >> we will talk about the philly mass shooting. because i understand that those were privately made weapons. meaning these ghost guns. how does law enforcement trace those? >> that is the tough part. they really are handcuffed with this because a lot of times those guns are made, they are hard to, track we talk to anybody who works in law enforcement and this has become part of their worst nightmare because you could order these parts from the internet, have them arrive, you could personally put them together. you see what philadelphia is doing, they are actually going to sue the makers of some of these supplies for the ghost guns. to the companies that they spotlight, they were polymer a incorporated, and gsp supply. both hoping to put a stop to some of these ghost guns coming

into their community. when you listen to the d. a. who was fired up about this, you could understand why the pain is really pushing them to make some different changes and go after some of these companies. take a listen. >> all indications are that he did it alone, and in terms of the act itself, we see all kinds of indications of premeditation, and the weapons he brought, the way he brought them, the clothing that he was wearing, things of that sort, when you get into issues of psychological state, motivation, and intent, beyond the obvious which is that he obviously planned this. >> and one of the reasons why we picked the soundbite is that when you think about someone sitting at home who might be mentally challenged or maybe upset or angry, or maybe

getting ready to do something, the idea that you could go online and order some of these parts to make a weapon, to understand how difficult this is for a law enforcement who is already dealing with a lot of illegal weapons out there in the first place, now you add this other component of ghost guns, and conversations are definitely going to take a change. specially with this being a part of, it and now you see the city is stepping up to go after these companies. will be interesting to see how this plays. out especially now that we are at a point where you can't even pray for the victims in one mass shooting before another one happens. a lot of us knew that july 4th and fifth was going to be very difficult for this country. >> it is really interesting, because they are notoriously bad. july 4th is, for the past decade, has seen a spike of mass shootings. it is obviously so tragically ironic about the day that is most american. the holiday that is supposed to be celebrating americans. thank you very much for all of your report-ing. what do avid gun owners think the solutions are to mass shootings? i sat down with a group of them, and you are about to see part

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>> it has been another 40 hours of rampant gun violence in our. country in part to our conversation with gun owners, all of whom are second amendment advocates. you will hear their suggestions for what could be done to cut down on the gun violence. but we start with how the gun violence has touched their lives. >> paul, if you could tell us a little bit about your personal story. if you could tell us a little bit about your personal story, your family was at the center mall during a mass shooting in december of 2012. and your brother in law was killed during that shooting. >> my brother-in-law was killed by a young man. a typical mass shooter. a 20 something armed with an assault style rifle.

and steve was shot from almost point blank range in the back of the head. i went and picked up my sister and spent the next week with them and learned a great deal. and the traumatic impact of a shooting on a family. >> three days later, the sandy hook school shooting happened in connecticut. >> when you think that you can't feel any worse, you can feel any lower, and then friday morning, we had 21st graders slaughtered in the classroom, that is six teachers and administrators. by another young man armed with an assault rifle.

and so, i just said that i can't remain silent anymore. i've got to speak out. >> thank you for sharing that, i know that that is not easy to talk about. ty, i was interested in your personal story that you became a gun shop owner. but you do not send your daughter to school. you home school her. because you are afraid of school shootings. is that right? >> part of it, yes, because i am afraid of it happening. because i believe that with all of the things that have been going on now with the world that schools need to have their schools armed with armed security. it is things they need to do to make these schools a hard target. >> i just want to speak to what ty said. i also have a four year old, a one year old, i am joining this conversation because i am a concerned mom. what we are seeing is the more guns in circulation has not made america safer. as the cdc states, it is now the number one cause of death for children, and other countries, you know, they don't have to deal with school shootings on a regular basis like we do. so if we are going to live in a nation that has millions of guns and they are in circulation, how do we live with them responsibly? i think that looks like safe storage laws. i think it is a child getting

their hands on their parents guns and committing suicide. imagine living without if you had to live through that personally. >> what do you think the solution is? >> we blame the individual, we blame mental health, we blame the gun, but we also need to blame the masses and masses of production that is being created in regards to guns for the profit of the gun industry. we need to remove any mechanism on a state level or national level that would absolve the gun industry from any responsibility in the basis of our society. >> i think the more income and equality that we see in a society more violent crime we see. the root cause of violence is not the piece of metal or plastic that is the end result. it is really the upstream problems that we need to address. >> an education, we pull that out of schools, we put subsidies out there, for electric vehicles, et cetera, this may have been an opportunity to put our taxpayer dollars where our mouth is. we need a root cause analysis. there won't be a one size fits all about stops gun violence in this country. and what is going on in chicago with the gun violence is not

the same thing that is going on in nebraska with gun violence. >> number one, the most effective tool in this country to keep guns out of the hands of somebody who shouldn't have a firearm is a universal background check. my brother in law was killed. the thing that really got me the next morning was when the officer came to help us write a public information statement. one of my first questions was, does it have a gun law? because the shooter knew that his father didn't lock up his firearms and he left them all loaded. there was no consequences to the gun owner. he didn't have them safely stored and people died because of it. i don't want to carry that burden for the rest of my life. i can't believe that other people do. >> i am back with john miller, we are also joined by new york state republican, and rolling

stone columnist, joe michaelson. i thought it was important to talk to people who don't want to give up their guns. they all have very different reasons for having guns. they all have what sounded to me like legitimate reasons. they got them for all different times in their lives. but they are, of course, disgusted by gun violence. they have different solutions. so it is so maddening, and that saying that their lawmakers cannot do any of these things. first there is a tendency to demonize the other side whatever the other sides and we see that this is not the case on this issue. there are people who care about their guns, they care about their interpretation of the second amendment, but they support common sense gun safety regulations. what is frustrating about this is that a lot of these specific regulations that were proposed have already, in the segment, or proposed by democrats and republicans shot them down. i know joe will say that is because republicans don't trust democrats. but there is a reason why

people don't trust democrats. because there are people sowing mistrust. opportunistic politicians, people in the media, people making it very extreme. either an nra lunatic or you want to take away all our guns. neither of these are people who are those on the extremes. but the vast middle of the society want sensible gun regulations. i think we need to think about checking our mistrust at the door and taking a risk to actually work together. >> people have to sit at the same table and hash it out together. joe, why can't we solve this? >> there is no trust. and i think that that is not just on this issue. i think that it is across many issues. i think that we see time and time again, we've made a compromise and evil were down in d. c. , but also in our local politics. we see people who effectively are always trying to find ways to leverage power for partisan purchases alone. so we should be able to come to the table and say hey, here are my concerns, here are our concerns, what is the low hanging fruit here? and we will be able to have a democratic party and republican party have that conversation

earnestly, and on some base level we are wasting our time because the politics always get in the way of the people. >> it is awful. they are getting in the way of children who are being killed. young people are being killed in all of this gun violence. as a member of the law enforcement community, aren't police so frustrated by this the fact that they have to go out into the streets? what is the answer for them? >> very frustrated. and one of the reasons there are so frustrated is because we wrestle with this, we struggle with this, there is some kind of mystery like we cancel this epidemic. and if you go to the democrats it is the guns, you've got to stop the guns, and go after the gun makers, and the guns, we talk to republicans and they are suddenly interested in mental health. we really got invested in mental health. if you talk to a cop, they give you a very simple common sense solution, which is not we know and we proved in new york city and miami and new orleans and newark, new jersey, when you increased gun arrests and when assertive prosecutors carry

those out within the law, when gun carriers and shooters go to jail and then to prison guess what happens? we know this for a fact. gun crime goes down. in 2017 and 18, we had the lowest gun crime in recorded history. and then, you see that they changed the game, the factors, criminal justice reform, raise liaison juveniles with guns, and you see that climb. new york city still hovers in the world of we are three or four murders per three or 400, 000. people in philadelphia live with 20. places like new orleans, and st. louis lived at 60. this can be fixed. and we already know how. we just have to kind of separate the rhetoric from the process. >> i think even to that point, even when we've had a cutter lowest levels, it is still too hot. so i think that the most telling and compelling thing

that we heard from that panel is something that we clearly do not talk about on the news, or in society, which are the underlying drivers for the desperation that causes the crime. >> and i hear you. i heard what chad was saying about that as well. but that is harder to tackle than that. there's some low hanging fruit that could be solved tomorrow with the wave of a pen. >> but we've got to learn to walk and chew gum. joe is exactly right. somebody needs to deal with a longtime contributor to this. this is a strategic problem. politicians do not like that because it is hard, it is costly, and they can't take credit for it last year. you really have to invest in the. the crime has been a tactical problem. you could fix it right away just by enforcing the laws that we have. then you have to invest a decade or two and solve it in a strategic problem. which is racial disparity, poverty, social ills that really are hard to tackle. we keep ignoring that on the idea that we can do some quick fix with a piece of legislation or press release. >> there is low hanging fruit on the mental health side as well. in addition to the factors you just mentioned, there is also, i'm not encouraging anyone to do, this but if folks change the channel there is rhetoric

right now in mass media that is amping up rage and amping up the sense of us versus them. that liberals want to destroy th e country and things like that and if we look at who is committing some of the mass shootings there is a profile of a young, male enraged hard right wing figure. i'm not blaming mainstream republicans. but there is incitement to violence on the media all the time. >> but that is kind of insightful. >> but i do have to go, it is true, there is a profile that we have seen repeatedly. >> plenty of profiles, but the overwhelming majority of people that get shot every single day are not from that profile. so i think -- >> but it is masters. i know we've got to go but just quickly here, if you are looking at what we commonly described as mass shooters, the definition changes from new

cycle to new cycle. and i think that we lump in the people when it is convenient. we exclude their pain when it is inconvenient, i think that is what we are talking about with the long term driver, is the time and time again that gets dismissed. >> i take your point and i thank you all for this conversation. meanwhile, okay, this is up there on the list of things that you do not ever want to have happened at an amusement park. getting stuck upside down on a rollercoaster for hours. two firefighters behind the complicated rescue join us next.

>> imagine being on a scary rollercoaster ride. now, imagine in breaking, and being stuck upside down for

hours. that happened to it rollercoaster writers in wisconsin. officials say that the fireable coaster stalled at the top of the loop, and it took special equipment, and teams of rescuers to get them down. joining me now, two other heroes who helped bring everyone down to safety, captain brandon cook of the fire department, and lieutenant adam phin of the fire department. thank you so much for being here. captain, let me start with you, how did this happen? do you know what went wrong with this ride? >> at this time, we do not know exactly what went wrong. all we know is that the ride was in the wrong position. >> you had to devise a plan with your team on how to get everybody down. how long did that take you? did you know what to do in the situation? >> pretty much as soon as it was dispatched, we were already starting to call for extra resources, knowing we didn't have the special equipment or the specialized training that was needed to affect this

rescue. >> how did you know that you needed specialized road training? >> just off of previous training and awareness, knowing that this was reported as being 50 something feet up in the air, we don't have that specialized training in order to affect that rescue, and there are other departments near us that have ladder trucks, specialized rescue teams, and this is what they specialize in. >> lieutenant, i think that it is you who we see in this video in the bucket who is starting to get people down. so i think that that is right there that we are watching. so it took hours. how did you, were you talking to the people who are hanging upside down? how are you keeping them calm while you are doing this? >> yeah, we were talking to them the whole time. i actually had two other guys with me as well doing the rescue, i was more just in charge of operating the platform there with that truck. it is very helpful in this situation where we could get them safely on to that platform, and we could see the other truck was just there for guidance and assistance, if we needed additional help. >> what kinds of things where

they saying? what were you guys saying to them? >> they were all very scared. we were just trying to keep them as calm as we could. just trying to talking to them about what they like to do for fun, things like that, you know, just dealing with kids you just have to distract them, and if we needed them to help us in a way to get them down, then we would tell them can you guys do this, or move your head this way, or do something. and distract them enough to keep them calm. >> how old were they? >> i believe that the ages were from ages eight to teenage years, and there was an adult gentleman down that we took down. >> also, you couldn't just -- you couldn't just free one of the time, somehow you had to tether them, or maybe they were already tethered together. what complicated this rescue? >> because the cars are designed, when you use the key to open up, four would come out at one. certain cars had four people in

them, so we had to tether the other side to make sure that those didn't open as well. then individually rescue each person. so we use letter belts and waving to secure them to the bucket as well as us, and able to get them out that way. >> that would've been a disaster if you hadn't had known that. captain cook, did you know that the key would open for at once and all of them would fall out? >> when we initially got on the scene it was reported that we might be able to do one at a time, but shortly after we figured out that was not the case and that was what also accelerated us asking for additional help. we realized this was such a complicated situation. >> captain, are you going to go on a rollercoaster ever again? >> i personally am not a fan of heights to begin with in that type of situation. so i will continue keeping both feet firmly planted on the ground. >> good thinking. and you, lieutenant? >> i am an adrenaline junkie, we'll see. >> thank you very much. great work, thank you for explaining it to us.

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