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>> good evening, i am kaitlan collins, and tonight we are learning more about what the special counsel, jack smith, is zooming in on and what is believed to be the closing stretch of his january 6th investigation. this is exclusive reporting tonight, new reporting on cnn. our sources are telling us that jack smith and his team have signaled a continued and seemingly renewed interest in what was one of the most chaotic meetings to ever happen inside the oval office. this was december 18th, in 2020, six weeks after trump has lost that election, as the lawyer, sydney powell, trump's former national security adviser, mike flynn, and the former ceo of overstocked.com floated some of the most desperate suggestions to keep trump in power. marshall law was brought up, so is the proposal that have the u. s military seize voting machines, you may remember hearing about it from the

people who were there and later testified before the january 6th congressional committee. >> i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice. >> at times there were people shouting at each other, throwing insults at each other. >> cipollone should be nothing but contempt and disdain for the president. >> it got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. >> i'm going to categorically describe it as you guys are not tough enough, or maybe you are a bunch of [bleep] >> tonight we are learning that federal investigators are asking about

that very meeting. and they have asked last several witnesses about it including rudy giuliani when he sat down with him voluntarily last month. we were told that wasn't two back-to-back days where giuliani went before them. he was asked about multiple incidents but that was one of them. they also asked about those outsiders that were there, sydney powell, mike flynn, the former overstock c e o, this meeting is also notable because it came four days after members of the electoral college met in all 50 states, to officially cast their ballots, declaring joe biden was indeed the winner. after that chaotic meeting late into the evening, that is when trump sent this tweet about the january 6th rally that was going to happen in just a few weeks, saying, it will be wild. all of these developments are coming tonight as we also know trump's body man turned codefendant, walt nada, has finally appeared, after quite a delay. nearly a month after the president was indicted in the documents probe. the former navy vet from guam is facing a very real

possibility of years behind bars now for allegedly helping hide government secrets align to investigators. all of this is raising the question of what is going to happen to nada going forward, what the legal strategy will look like. in the past we have seen people who are loyal to the former president flip before.nd tonight, our first guest, michael cohen, michael, thank you for being here. of course you are the author of revenge, you host a podcast, we should note, before you get to this new reporting on the meeting that happened in the oval office, what does it say to you that it is a significant interest to jack smith and his team and what we think is the closing days of this investigation? >> i don't know as they are talking about the chaos, donald trump lives in chaos every single day of his life. that is what he's referred to as captain chaos. so why is it that they are now looking at it? it is possibly just more or superseding indictments and i think that it probably affects others more

than donald trump. >> they are looking at those others who were there on walt nada. he finally was arraigned today, there were a lot of delays. he was trying to get a florida-based attorney in the room with him, he pleaded not guilty, do you think that is the wrong decision? >> no. i think he believes that by being the trumpiest trumper, that donald will protect him. so the answer would be yes, i think that it is a bad decision on his part, again being the trumpiest trumper, he thinks that donald will protect him and not throw him under the bus. the benefit for someone like walt nada is the fact that he has the example of michael cohen to look at. he is the example of rudy giuliani. he has a example of half a dozen other people, including people like stewart rhodes, who got an 18 year sentence, what happened to donald taking care of them? what happened to donald paying their legal fees? in fact, tomorrow, i am back in

court for pretrial conference on legal fees where i am suing donald in order to recover. that is after four and a half years. >> you are suing the trump organization for those legal fees? do you think that walt nada should learn? >> i think he probably should. history repeats itself and in this specific case, one thing we know for certain is that donald does not pay legal fees. donald doesn't pay fees at all. >> the other side of that is that he is paying his legal fees right now from the super pac which we should note is also paying trump's legal fees. walt nada worked for him in the west wing and he took him down to florida with him. he does seem to have this sense of loyalty to trump. it is there any incentive for him to flip in that sense? >> it's not really flipping. it is providing testimony whether he will do it voluntarily, or if he will get subpoenaed. it's one or the other. you are not going to not be responsive when the government wants the information from you. so if there is something that

walt can do right now that would benefit him, then my belief is that he should probably consider it. >> what leads someone--you are tweeted, i remember this,nce michael is a busesan for his own account lawyer who i've always liked and respected him. most people will flip if the government lets them out of trouble. sorry, i don't see michael doing that. of course that michael he is referring to is you, and you ultimately did flip. what leads someone to do that? >> if there came a point in time where i said that my loyalty, my first loyalty has to be to my wife, my daughter, my son, my country. that was when i made the decision, i was actually speaking to george stephanopoulos at the time, and there just came a point in time where i said enough is enough, while i understand that right now trump is paying for his legal fees, let's not forget that he did the same thing with me. but there is a pattern to what he does. he will pay a little bit, fall

behind, pay a little more, fall bigger behind. that way, which is again what this case that i have going to trial at the end of this month is all about, what will ultimately happen is that he will leave walt nada the same way he left me and the same way he left giuliani, stewart rhodes, and dozens of other people. >> one thing that is different about nada is that he is a codefendant of trump's. and they've been told not to discuss the cases a list of other witnesses. but there has been no secret of how close they have continued to work together. you have seen walt nada at rallies, and they were ordering cheese steaks together in philadelphia. does it strike you that trump has not tried to keep some distance from him? >> no. because donald trump doesn't believe that the rules apply to him. they appy to you, they apply to me, they applied everybody else, but they don't apply to him. if you tell him not to do something, being the petulant

child that he is, he will then go ahead and do it simply to be spiteful. >> you did say that you talked about how trump, with your legal fees, they paid some and got behind. do you think trump has learned his lesson with this, given the consequences of your testimony, eventually leading to him being the first ever president indicted? >> twice. i actually think he has learned the lesson. and i think that it is one of the reasons -- >> to keep them close? >> he made a big mistake and i think that he knows that he made a big mistake and he is not going to make it a second time, at least not with walt. >> michael cohen, thank you. >> thank you. >> i am joined now tonight by a former u. s. attorney for the southern district of florida where the trump's documents case is expected to be heard, marcos gimenez, as well as former federal prosecutor general rogers. thank you. we have spent a lot of time together when trump himself as

being arraigned in florida. not a himself has struggled to find an attorney in florida. he did today, this woman sash dadan, i believe is how you pronounce her last name. she--how does she fit into this picture in the sense of how well-known she is on the circuit? >> well, she is not well-known. in fact, if you look at the docket today in the case, you will see that the magistrate judge had to give her an order providing expedited procedure for her to obtain permission to file documents electronically. all attorneys in the district of florida must register for electronic filing and she was not so that indicates to me that she does not have substantial federal criminal experience. i believe that her experiences primarily in the state court criminal process, as a federal public defender in the state system, and we know she ran for office as a republican politician.

>> we know another attorney, stan woodward, who's been with him for most of this, she just illegal based council in florida. we are told that trump and nada both believe right now that taking these cases to trial is the right strategy for them. they are hopeful that they will be acquitted by a jury. do you see that as the best strategy at this point based on what you have heard in that indictment? >> well, i do not know that it is the best strategy for walt nada because he likely has the option of cooperating against trump becoming a cooperating witness pleading guilty, and getting a more lenient sentence at the end of the day. for trump himself, i find it impossible to believe that he would plead guilty himself. so that leaves trial really, as his only option. he's probably hoping that some of his most -- you know--fervent supporters will be on that jury and refused to convict him. so i think that that is his play, so far we have not seen this divergent where walt nauta takes his own interest, and

maybe he will, maybe he won't, we will have to wait and see. >> no indication of that yet. yesterday, we got an unsealed additional portion to the search warrant that was used for that search that happened in mar-a-lago in august. it says essentially that they saw walt nauta moving war boxes out of the storage room that were ultimately brought back. if you are not walt nauta, at what is your defense for something like that? >> for walt nauta, i think that he did not know what the boxes contained, that he didn't know anything about classified information, and i think that that is going to be difficult because i think the indictment says at one point that he walked into the room, and saw that there was a classified document that have spilled out into the floor. and his bigger problem is that the government alleges in the indictment that he lied to the fbi agents when the interviewed him about moving those boxes. that is a difficult, sometimes, a very difficult charge to

overcome, because you have an fbi agent on the stand who is very credible, saying that we know this fact to be true, and he told us the opposite when we interviewed him. that is a separate federal offense. that, by itself, if you are convicted for that, results in a felony conviction. i think that walt nauta's hope here is that somehow, the jury will have compassion on him, because it simply was a worker for donald trump. maybe his ultimate hope is that if donald trump is reelected he will be pardoned if he is convicted. and there is nothing stopping donald trump, if he is reelected, i meant to say, if he is reelected, president trump in hissecond term could easily pardon mr. nauta if he is convicted. >> you make a good point about the picture, that was to another worker at mar-a-lago that we know, who was also interviewed.

it was five-eyes intelligence that had spilled out on the ground. returning to the reporting that we had at the top of the show, this is from me and the rest of our reporting team on this about jack smith having his renewed interest. we are told it has been here all along but people are being asked about it recently about that insane oval office meeting that happened even by trump standards. probably one of the craziest meetings that happened in the oval office. what do you think when you hear that that is something that jack smith and his team have also focused on? >> it strikes me, kaitlin, that if they are headed towards a broad conspiracy indictment against trump and others, in relation to the attempts to overturn the election, that is the sort of evidence that they would be interested in because they are going to want to set out not only these individual strands of the conspiracy about the fake electors and the improper pressure on state election officials, state legislators, mike pence, and so one, they will want to see

about how it all came together, and who was applying that pressure. the renewed interest in that says to me is they kind of come to charging decision time, maybe they are leaning in that direction and we'll see a broad conspiracy indictment instead of one or more smaller indictments for some of these more discreet parts of the conspiracy. >> so jennifer, if you are bringing in a rudy giuliani, or sydney powell, or someone who was there, which we should know that we talked to the special counsel's team, what kind of questions are you asking about that meeting? >> they will have asked him questions under a proper agreement. but protects giuliani from the statements being used against him. but they will just ask him everything. obviously, the obvious things, who is there, what was said, all of that. but then they will want to know the rest of it. so what did you do afterwards? what do you know about what other people did? not only what was talked about but what were the action items and who actually executed those as they try to fill in what happened here to make this case.

>> thank you both for your expertise tonight. she has pushed 9/11 conspiracies, heckled school shooting victims, spoke at a white nationalist conference and more, but none of that is what got marjorie taylor greene booted from the far-right freedom caucus in the house. we will tell you what was, ahead. plus, a surprising update on the leader of that rebellion group against putin. wagner chief, yevgeny prigozhin, was supposed to be an exile in belarus but the president of belarus now says that he is not there. subaru is the twenty twenty-three best mainstream automotive brand, according to consumer reports. and subaru has seven consumer reports recommended models. solterra, forester, outback, crosstrek, ascent, impreza, and legacy. it's easy to love a brand you can trust. it's easy to love a subaru.

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>> a stunning revelation about the leader of the field mutiny against vladimir putin and russia, in terms of the wagner chief has been russia, not belarus, as originally believed. at least that is according to the president of belarus, alexander lukashenko, who brokered this deal between putin and prigozhin, as his forces were approaching moscow, and gave an extraordinary news conference today in minsk. >> he is in st. petersburg. or maybe this morning he would travel to moscow, or elsewhere. he is not on the territory of belarus no. >> that surprised many people at that press conference who believed that prigozhin was there, a reminder that prigozhin has not actually seen in public since he stopped his march on moscow on june 24th. when many saw as the biggest threat to putin's rule in 23

years. my colleague, matthew chance, is one of the few journalists who questioned lukashenko today. matthew, this idea, the surprise announcement that prigozhin is not actually in belarus, and is in russia, raises all kinds of questions about his status, about where he is, and what he is doing. how surprised were you by that answer? >> very surprised. in fact, i was half expecting prigozhin to be at the press conference with alexander lukashenko, it is one of the reasons why we came. but obviously, that didn't happen. without this extraordinary revelation that prigozhin is not in belarus, nor are any vaccine or fighters, but they are elsewhere. they are in russia. and none of us, none of the journalists have gathered here in minsk we're expecting that.

now lukashenko says that prigozhin is a free man in russia. he's not in jail. he raised the possibility of an assassination of prigozhin by the kremlin. but quickly dismissed that as being not something that putin would consider, although, i think that the fact he raised it is a possibility that indicates how precarious the position is at the moment of the wagner leader. you also said that wagner fighters who were also invited to come and operate out of belarus were not coming either or they hadn't come so far. and i sort of got the sense that possibly this was a blessing in disguise for belarus. take a listen to that line of question. >> are you concerned that that would have destabilized belarus? the russians thought that it was safe to have them. but they were wrong. >> this is not a situation where i was lending wagner and helping hand. this was reached in the process of negotiation.

you know what was at stake. i made this decision at that time and i would stick to it. but i don't think wagner would rise up and turn its guns against the belarusian state. >> yeah, really extraordinary he would say that given that that is exactly what wagner did when it came to the russian state. anyway, look, the fact that yevgeny prigozhin is still free, and in russia, it does make vladimir putin look somewhat weak in the sense that this is an individual who is accused of fomenting a insurrection against the russian state, it he has so far gone unpunished. that may not last forever, because already, russian state television is working overtime, painting prigozhin as a criminal, as a trader, today they have dramatic footage of a raid on one of his houses in st. petersburg in which gold, and cash, and guns were seized along with wigs for disguises and passports with various

aliases. so, the grand work seems to be a lead inside of russia for perhaps some sort of criminal prosecution against prigozhin to be based. it hasn't happened yet, but we are keeping a close eye on it. >> an extraordinary development. matthew chance, thank you. here tonight with their insights on today's developments, sander, the former deputy director of national intelligence and william taylor, the former u. s.

how shocked were you to hear that prigozhin is not actually in belarus and may actually be in russia according to what the president of belarus said? >> so, there is a whole lot that we don't know about the deal. we know that there were some deals struck but it was unlikely, it wasn't written down, it was discussed among three, four, five more people. no one is living up to the deal that we thought we heard. that is not prigozhin would go to belarus, and his soldiers would have the option of retiring, or joining the ministry of defense are going with him to belarus. so there's a lot that we don't know, mr. putin doesn't know, he's got this prigozhin who still has a lot of troops roaming around russia this cannot make putin very happy. >> you are the deputy director of national intelligence. prigozhin is known for using body doubles, obviously having these costumes that he had, do you think he was ever actually in belarus and what is your sense of how they assess if he is alive or in person and where he is right now? how does u. s. intelligence assess something like that? >> they do some of these same things that we are seeing in

the open source now. open sources a wonderful place with watching the flights go back and forth with the plane that is associated with prigozhin. perhaps they have some way of tracking his communications. i am not sure. but there is a number of different ways and then there are sources talking about where he is. there are a lot of ways to track him. i really do not know where he is now and i don't know if--i'm pretty sure the intelligence committee has a much better sense than we do and i think looking from the outside in even the intelligence community has to have a lot of humility about figuring out what happens in a byzantine country in such a close system that is russia. it is difficult. >> it is quite difficult. matthew chance was saying that they thought that he might actually show up, then they find out he is in russia. the other announcement we are

expecting tomorrow when it comes to the front lines of ukraine, is that the u. s. is actually going to start providing ukraine with cluster munition. something kyiv has been pushing for for a long time and for people who are watching at home, they are controversial weapons, they are deadly, washington has resisted sending them, russia has used them, and you can kind of see just what it looks like. this is what actually makes of the cluster munition. do you think that something that is the right idea? what is your sense of what is behind that decision? >> it clearly was a hard decision. however, it sounds like the ammunition shortage, the shortage of 155 millimeter artillery rounds that the ukrainians need for this counteroffensive getting very low. this cluster munition is good against troops on the ground. they are aerial weapons that are not as precise as the single shot. in order to keep the ukrainians in the fight, this decision sounds like it is going to provide some ammunition that they need for this counteroffensive.

>> what does it say to you about how the u. s. is assessing these decisions? >> they are assessing them with the big strategic question in mind, which president biden has focused on, am i going to push russia over the edge and push him into some kind of nuclear confrontation? i think that was probably, in hindsight, a miss-assessment of the risk of that. but hindsight is 2020. then i think that the other is just the very practical matter here in that ukraine needs to have enough men and munitions to fight this fight. and they do not have enough. and it is really eye-opening and it is eye-opening for us when we look at a taiwan conflict. >> ambassador bill taylor, that center, thank you for joining tonight.

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>> the so-called plane that crashed into the pentagon. it's not, there's never any evidence shown in the plane. >> the democrats are now controlled by the jihad squad, led by the aoc, the little communist. >> january six was just right at the capitol. if you think about what our declaration of independence says, it says to overthrow tyrants. >> before you ask, no, it was not the suggestion from 2018 that the wildfires in california were started because of gas and electric, former california governor conspired to fire lasers from space. breaking heller part of -- this heated exchange. you see playing out here between marjorie taylor greene and the other person, colorado county chriesman, boebert. green accuse boebert at this time we are told from reporting later on, of competing her argument of the peach mint and reportedly called her a little

be. a congressman refused to comment on her status in the house reading congress but said in a statement, quote, in congress, i serve northwest shorter first and i serve no group in washington. joining me now to discuss and laughing as i was reading that is scott jennings, former presidents assistant to georgia be bush and former democratic state rep and the -- >> you're giving me the giggles. >> okay. i will go to scott. [laughter] >> this is hilarious. >> my parents are watching. i can't do that. scott, what happened to the 11th commandment from ronald reagan, foul shall not speak ill of any republican? now we have the freedom house caucus kicking out marjorie taylor greene. >> i wonder this is a thing of the fact that she has been a pretty good ally of kevin mccarthy. she stood with mccarthy, help him become the speaker. she voted with him on the debt deal. he's used her a lot here. he has a majority.

they're using this is a trigger point. actually wonder if it's just they don't like the fact that she is, you know, become card-carrying member of the establishment. in-house are now. >> it definitely shows how fractured house republicans are. >> they are a mess. look, there's an old saying, my father would say, you never argue with a full because people watching can't tell the difference. when you look at that, you just can't tell the difference of what is happening. when you sit back and you understand the dialogue that was happening between the two, it just shows that the decorum between congresswoman boebert and congresswoman marjorie taylor greene is below that and below the dignity of the united states congress. when i was growing up, i'm sure when scott was growing up, he's older than i am. regardless, when we were growing up, i think we held the night states congress to higher esteem. the individuals who served us, we believe them to be carrying themselves with decorum and dignity. these two ladies simply have not been able to do that.

by changing that type of terminology, that type of rhetoric on the floor, calling someone else, quote you caitlin, a little b, does it below the dignity of the office. democrats and remove kinds alike should have a little bit of shame. >> and who got to file impeachment articles against president biden. on the campaign trail, we have the desantis campaign, raising $20 million in the six weeks or so since he has entered the race. came after we learned about trump with $35 million. that is a lot of money for desantis, $20 million. he's had a series of missteps on the campaign trail. is that enough to make up for it? >> when you add it to what he brought into the race before, he has plenty of money to communicate. you know, the higher you climb in these campaigns, that less money matters. you don't have to operate. obviously, he does. trump does. and we're about the rest of the campaigns having enough money and oxygen until last.

there's plenty of money to get his message out there. the question for him is not money. is there an audience for this? right now, donald trump is so dominant in the primary that no amount of money maybe enough. obviously, he's fighting hard and bringing up some issues right now. trump's been hard to dislodge so far. and the money has not deterred the other non trump candidates. it's his first mission to get rid of -- >> ron desantis has one singular problem. the more people may have, the less they like him. >> florida excluded? >> florida excluded, probably. i think many people in florida, -- actually, -- you and i could've beat charlie crist. that's another strike. run desantis is not a very likable politician. he does not do well in retail politics. people like his policy, i think. certain people like his policy. they just like the person. i believe we are seeing him turn into scott walker. forcing him to turn. i don't know if viewers remember those names. in one point in time, they were the next big it thing. everyone thought they were the front runner to be the gop

nominee. they turned into a chris. they flew to close to the sun. >> desantis is actually on fox before we came on here. he was asked why he is not resonating with voters. this is fascinating. this is what he said. >> i've also been attacked more than anybody, as you know, will. donald trump has spent over 20 million attacking meat. that's more than he spent supporting republican candidates and last year's midterm election. you can't win with just republican voters. i think we showed in florida, if you won a big victory, you have to win independent voters. you have to win people who haven't voted for a party in the last several cycles. i've shown that i can do that. i think we can do it nationally. >> is he doing stuff to do that? to appeal to independent voters, people have voted for republicans? >> he has to win a republican primary for. it's his electoral success in florida came on the back of a lot of independents and a lot of democrats. flip some big areas in florida that traditionally vote democrat. he has a history of doing that. you can't get to that part of the game unless you win the

republican primary. the issues that resonate in the rubble hoboken primary, he sitting on. again, i just go back to trump has half the party. the other have also to something else. you'll be people that are fighting for that second half. it's not trump. he has to dispatch the rest of the field. >> the problem is that most americans know him to be 58. most americans know him to be the governor of florida who is not donald trump, who fought against mike emails and lost. when those are the characteristics people know you for, you have to stand for something. he doesn't stand for anything right now. >> the car, scott jennings, thanks for keeping this panel so pure tonight. >> we're going to church on sunday. >> exactly. yes, we are. up next -- new york city mayor, eric adams, is facing controversy tonight over this photo that he carries a buffalo new york police department officer. he carries it in his wallet, often flashes it at press conferences. now, a new report is saying that it is all an act and that story behind the photo isn't true.

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>> this is a photo of a fallen new york police department officer that mayor eric adams says he carries with him in his wallet every day. he often talks about that officer, robert venable, who was killed in the line of duty in 1987. >> i go back to the days of thinking of robert venable. a

close colleague who died in the line of duty. i still think about him, i keep a picture of robert in my wallet. >> the photo he is talking about, it looks like something he's carried around for decades. except today we learned from a new report in the new york times that the photo was actually printed out last year by city hall employees who even spilled coffee on it to make it look more convincing, or weathered. they are denying that report saying in part, i'm quoting them now, to be clear, mayor adams made a photocopy of a photograph of officer venable that was printed in a new york police department transit news bulletin from 1987, which mayor adam still has in possession of this of this day of which the times saw. our political commentator is here to talk about this story. what was your reaction, as someone who covers the area, obviously, and has interacted with the mayor when you read the story from the new york times? >> covering politicians of all kinds, i'm sure you've seen this,

politicians, they take a couple of liberties with the truth here and there. someone is cutting a ribbon at a library branch, and they say i used to spend every weekend in the library, you know that they really didn't. it is a white lie. it is harmless. what is striking here is that it is not entirely harmless because it seems like city employees were asked to do something, and they felt strange enough about it that they told the new york times about it. this falls into sort of a different category of people kind of inventing something that did not have to be invented. everyone knows that this is a mayor who spent a couple of decades in the nypd. everyone knows this is a mayor who supports the men and women of the nypd. there is no particular reason to exaggerate. if you remember him in your heart, if you remember him through a photo that you used to carry, it all sounds the same. it all works the same. why would you go through this much effort? i think this is the thing that i, and a lot of other people are wondering

about. >> what would be an answer to something like that of why he would go to these lengths? i know there are moments before, where he said one thing and it was kind of like what you were saying earlier, not a full fabrication but an exaggeration. is that what your sense is? >> i'm not sure what is going on here. other than that it is a mistake. i bet he wishes he could take the last couple of days back and maybe take some of those speeches back and some of those actions back. because it does not help them in any way, shape, or form. it doesn't get any single new vote, it doesn't shed any new light on his commitment to the nypd or the policies that the city needs to follow to battle crime. it doesn't do anything positive at all. and it makes you wonder why go to such efforts in that way, and it starts to get into questions that are going to be raised out character. that is where it really starts to get diffult for everybody. >> does it hurt him politically at all? a recent poll of registered voters in new york city had his favorability at 46%. it was down about 3% from the same survey back in may. what do voters think about this? he was someone who has seen as

the way he came into office, it was aspirational to democrats nationwide. >> sure. he is one of the first homegrown mayors at we have had in a generation in new york. we have a lot of outsiders who come here and end up as mayor. so he has got a real opportunity here. he is only the second black mayor. he never stops reminding us. he has a real opportunity to bring the city together and move the city forward, really important policies that he promised on the campaign trail that people voted for back in 2021. we've seem to be turning the corner on crime in many respects. there's a lot riding on this. it is really, really important, and that is why it is all the more important. we just lived through this through the pandemic, kaitlan. everywhere that comes out of the mouth of our mayor or our governor has to be true, it has got to be accurate. when we were talking about masks and ppe and had to deal with this pandemic, we learned the hard way that everything you say has got to be true. there is no room for these fables and fibs that seem to be coming out of city hall. >> thank you. gerald lewis.

>> thank you. >> up next, my colleague, abby philip, is going to speak to the niece of that fallen officer, robert venable coming up on cnn tonight. make sure to tune in for that. also tonight, it is mark soccer burke's -- mark sucker birds biggest we yet at his rival billionaire elon musk, so what were you on today? the reds, or twitter? maybe both. we will talk about the big launch and what it means, next. facebook's attempt to compete with twitter has been active for a little more than a day now. it's called threads, and mark

>> facebook's attempt to compete with twitter has been active for a little more than a day now. it's called threads, and mark zuckerberg says it was downloaded more than 30 million times in the first 16 hours of its existence. big names, from oprah, to bill gates, and even the dalai lama jumped on quickly. but twitter is already starting to sue facebook's parent company, meta. even if you have never sent a tweet in your life, you've likely heard about the wave of chaos that has envelopped the company since elon musk bought it. for $44 million back in october. cnn --'s joins me now. threads, everybody is getting on it from instagram today. mark zuckerberg is bragging about how many how many people have already downloaded it. but twitter is already threatening,

essentially, to sue them over it. >> let the showdown begin, between the two big social media giants. this was a letter that was sent on behalf of twitter to mark zuckerberg directly. essentially saying that threads stole the intellectual property. stole the ideas, and stole a lot of the makings of twitter, to create threads. they called it a copycat act. they also said in this letter that threads hired twitter employees to go ahead and create threads. so there's a lot of back-and-forth going on right now, i think amongst the community. does this look like twitter, is this just like instagram? but it's important to note that meta says, this is not true, this is an independent apt, and they do not hire twitter employees to create threads. this is really going to be a showdown between these two big giants. it sounds a lot like a cage match, but wait a minute, that's actually already happening between mark zuckerberg and elon musk. [laughter] but this is just the beginning. we have to keep an

eye on what happens here. >> but even if he is claiming that they hire all the twitter employees, didn't twitter fire lot of its employees when elon musk took over? >> they did. and that's a lot of what we are hearing, is that people are a little bit upset with what twitter has become over the last couple of years. and that's maybe why people are taking a look at threads. thousands of twitter employees were fired. twitter is now charging people for things that were for free before. for check marks, for using tweet deck. and so, potentially, threats has an opportunity to draw some of those people over from twitter. one thing twitter has that threads doesn't is longevity. they have years of experience. they have die hard twitter fans. but threads is an opportunity for meta to potentially make some money, draw in a new crowd, make some more money in terms of advertisers. but, one of the things to think about is instagram seamlessly interacts with threads, which is a great transition for all of those users. twitter on its own has

250 million users. instagram and has two billion users, more people to get on threads directly from instagram. >> yet, we will see if they can maintain that momentum and i said 44 million, it's 44 billion dollars that elon musk bought it for, quite a price tag on there. -- thank you very in washington, essentially is taking over every headline in the nations interest. where did the cocaine that was found in the west wing come from. we have new details about that investigation that is underway tonight, next. this is a next level bed, for a next level you. my circadian rhythm is kicking your circadian rhythms butt! it's not a competition. i know, but i'm still winning! so, it is a competition. the queen sleep number 360 c2 smart bed is now only $899. plus, free home delivery when you add an adjustable base. shop now only at sleep number.

>> an update tonight on the investigation into the cocaine that was found at the white house. a law enforcement source telling cnn that the secret service is expected to finish its investigation early next week, whether or not they can identify a suspect. investigators have already reviewed security footage and visitor logs to get into the

white house. but they have not yet gotten the result of a fingerprint analysis or any kind of dna test. cnn previously reported that the cocaine was found in a convenor the entrance of the -- we will stay, of course, on top of that investigation. thank you so much for joining me tonight. cnn tonight with abby philip. starts right now. >> -- an update tonight on the investigation that was found at the white house -- along enforcement source telling cnn that the secret service is expected to finish its investigation early next week, whether or not they can identify a suspect. investigators have already viewed security footage and visitor logs to get into the white house, but they have not yet gotten a result of a fingerprint analysis or any kind of dna test. cnn previously reported that the cocaine was found in a cubby near the ground four entrance of the white house. we will stay, of course, on top of that investigation. thank you so much for joining me tonight. cnn tonight with abby phillip starts right now. >> hey, kaitlan collins, thank yo