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aerosmith, elton john, kenny loggins, gladys knight. foreigner and kiss. a lot of legends all in one year. thank you for joining me tonight. i'm abby phillips. cnn tonight continues with my friend allison. i know you'll be first in line. >> yes, i did see the eagles two or three years ago, they were fantastic. i also want to say this. i saw the rolling stones farewell tour in 1981. so i don't necessarily believe it when a band says its their farewell tour. >> that's true. that's true. but, why take the chance? >> exactly. yes. you and i are going to kiss this summer. exactly. all right, abby, thank you very much. good evening everyone. welcome to cnn tonight. we have exclusive cnn reporting. sources say that jack smith's investigators are asking witnesses about that angry and quote unhinged oval office meeting in which president trump's team a few weeks after he lost the election pitched a

plan to have the military seize voting machines and have president trump invoke marshal law. plus, his personal aide just pleaded not guilty. he is now donald trump's codefendant and donald trump's political pac is paying all his legal fees so how will that all work at trial? my panel has thoughts. and how donald trump's republican rivals are making their cases tonight. here is what chris christie told jake tapper about donald trump's words. >> he could not and still cannot to this day deal with the fact he is the only person to lose to joe biden outside of delaware. and he want to pretend he is still president. they are up in new jersey. they go on summer vacation with him. i mean, he wanted to continue to pretend he was president. and show these things to people and say look what i still have.

look what i still know. >> let's get right to our cnn exclusive. jack smith's investigators questioning about that unhinged rant. evan, why are prosecutors zeroing in on that meeting? >> well, allison, you'll remember that is unhinged is one word for it. bonkers is another word for it. it was mid december. and it was well after the fact, well after the former president and his team realized that they were losing. that the time was up. and they had one last plan. harebrained plan to try to preserve donald trump's time in office. and so they convened this meeting with a number of people. you had sydney powell who was one of his legal advisers at the time. patrick burn, a former ceo of overstock.com. michael flynn. fired national security adviser. they came up with a number of ideas. one of them was to seize voting

machines in some of these key states. another one was to declare marshall law. another was to put sydney powell in as a special council to investigate the claims of vote fraud they knew were already disproven. so that is what this meeting was about. and we know jack smith's investigators have asked a number of witnesses about this months ago. more recently, this meeting again became the subject of some of the witness testimony including from rudy giuliani just a couple of weeks ago when he went in for consecutive days of testimony. here is the january 6th committee taking testimony from a key number of witnesses who were privy to what happened at that unhinged bonkers meeting. here you go. >> we were pushing back. and asking one simple question. as a general matter. where is the evidence? >> i mean, if it had been me siting in his chair, i would

have fired all of them that night and had them escorted out of the building. >> i think it got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. you have people walking in, it was late at night. it had been a long day. and what they were proposing i thought was nuts. >> i'm going to categorically describe it as you guys are not tough enough. or maybe i put it another way. you're a bunch of excuse the expression. i'm almost certain the word was used. >> the white house advisers and legal team knew the stuff was just wrong and also illegal perhaps. and we now know, allison, that this is something that jack smith's investigators have returned to. we know that they are near the

end of this investigation. and this is again why some of our team have heard about witnesses being asked these very questions. allison? >> okay, so also today, trump's body man meaning one of his personal aides pleaded not guilty. what's next in this legal fight? >> yeah. he entered this not guilty plea. he had problems getting someone in florida to represent him. now we know that he and his codefendant, the former president, are headed to trial. and you know, obviously, the pressure has been on him to try to flip on the former president. we don't expect that to happen any time soon. especially because you noted at the top there that donald trump's political committee is paying his legal fees. and so now, we see where this

trial goes. whether we have a trial in december as the justice department has proposed or whether it might happen sooner or even later which is something obviously that perhaps might come to the advantage of the former president. of course you know, nada is seen a lot of times in the company of donald trump. especially when he is out doing campaign stuff. >> yeah. thank you very much for all of that reporting. >> sure. let's bring in our panel. we have paul, former federal prosecutor for the southern district of new york. james, writer for the atlantic and fast company. political commentator ashley alison. and wanting powell to be special council to investigate fake fraud. none of this is how a democracy works but what is the crime prosecutors are looking at with this unhinged meeting? >> i don't know exactly what it is. but i assume it is obstructing

the election. a legitimate election and the results of those elections being carried out. and that meeting is obviously a crucial meeting where you have the former president and his advisers contemplating ways to in fact do the obstruction of the election. so i'm not surprised that jack smith and his team are focused on that. >> yeah, what i was struck by, can you imagine if the guardrails didn't hold? i mean, they were yelling at each other. trump's team really wanted to do these things and the white house lawyers had to say that's not how democracy and i don't know exactly what they said. but somehow they had to talk them out of these things. >> that's how folks continuously say our democracy is so fragile. when trump was showing his cards a bit saying that he was questioning the legitimacy of the election before it even happened. people were saying wait a minute, folks, we need to make sure that the right people are in place, not guilty just at the federal level in the oval office, but those working the

elections. those front line election workers who eventually got death threats but put on them. they testified in front of the january 6th committee. thank goodness the guardrails held this time. you know. he still, many people still are not saying the election results of 2020 are real. and so we need to make sure we continue to be vigilant to protect our democracy. >> and donald trump is running again. scott. obviously. and who knows who the people around him would be this time. >> i doubt it will be pat cipollone who was critical there at the end of the presidency. the thing about this meeting we are reporting on tonight, i think they may be asking about is what happened between the end of that meeting and when trump issued the tweet january 6th. it will be wild. because all these things you mentioned, the seizing, the mac ultimaidn't happen. but i tell you what did happen. the big rally january 6th and the storming of the capitol and he tweeted about it in advance. i wonder if that is part of the

questioning. did you hear any planning for what might happen january 6th in the midst of these other things. >> that's a great point. it was just a few hours after that meeting. >> yeah. >> that donald trump tweeted that out. >> exactly. the other thing interesting about that meeting is it was not scheduled so powell and flynn and patrick burn who there was no reason for patrick burn to be there. he is a random ceo basically. they walked in and eric kirschman saw them and followed them in. when he heard what powell was saying, he called cipollone and said you have to get down here. and that is when it all kind of erupted. so you know, we know from that meeting trump kept being like i don't know if this is right. but they were giving him something that they were saying. you can't do this. you understand that is probably what they were hoping for.

>> absolutely. paul, let's talk about nada. how will he be able to tell the truth freely and not be beholden to donald trump? >> it will not just be challenging because his legal fees are being paid. >> and it is by trump's political pac. >> it will not be influenced. it is easier said thanked done and walt nauta's ticket here is very hinged to trump's wagon so it will be challenging for him to get out from under trump's shadow though one of his likely best defenses is i didn't know what i was doing was wrong. i was just following the

instructions of my boss. >> yes but that's where it gets complicated ashley. because he has a choice to make. he can either say i was following instructions. or he has to say i did this myself. i decided to lie. that is one of the things he is charged with. and move boxes around of my own accord. in which case he goes to prison. >> even if in the moment, he didn't know it was wrong, he has now had months, years at this point to say i did know it was wrong and i'm not going to standby donald trump's side. instead, he is letting the person who was really the ring leader of this pay for his legal bills which tells me he is a devout believer of donald trump. the unfortunate thing is everyone in our legal system deserves representation. you hope, though, that representation has your best interest at heart. and in this case, we just don't know that's the case because of who is paying for his legal

bills. >> other people that work with trump, thrown under the bus, they were kind of in on it. i don't know. when i think about nauta, i think about that line in the great gatsby. they smashed up people and things and creatures and retreated back into their money and let other people clean up the mess they made. i feel like what walt nauta thinks now, he is getting thrown under the bus. >> that is what is jury might think. here you have this guy. a military veteran working for the president or ex-president of the united states at this point. gets asked to move a few boxes. and fort pierce? is it likely one member of a jury will say i don't feel like sending nauta to jail over what anyone else might have done. >> i think the big problem for him is probably the lying to the fbi. which at least according to the indictment he did. now there may be ways to get

around that saying i didn't really understand the question or thought they were talking about x. i think even the ignorance one, he told me to move the boxes. i could see that being a defense that would work. lying to federal officials is always a little bit. >> especially since it is contradicted by his own text messages. >> you are saying that's what he'll get in trouble for? >> it is hard to wiggle out of the lying to the fbi on straightforward questions when your text messages are directly contradictory. >> one way out of it, donald trump wins the election. ultimately, the legal defense for both of them is win the election. >> absolutely. >> that's it. >> and then donald trump could also pardon him, et cetera. >> that is not a legal defense. that's a political strategy. >> great point. if you know you broke the law and you have the ability to say i want to take responsibility for it, you do it. >> thank you. thank you friends. very much. was it something she said? why marjorie taylor green is reportedly getting booted

out of the right wing freedom caucus. that's next.

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congresswoman marjorie taylor green has been voted out of the ultraconservative house freedom caucus. andy harris tells cnn they voted to boot her at the end of june. now remember, this is the congresswoman who has cozied up to white nationalists. she has questioned whether 9/11 really happened that way. she has blamed wild fires on jewish space lasers but according to harris, the breaking point was when she called lauren boebert a little b word. okay, well it is good to know they have standards. i guess that was finally the breaking point. >> jewish space lasers, reasonable. calling someone the b word? not. >> explain it. why is this the straw that

broke the camel's back? >> we like to think our representatives are in dc, you now, pondering political philosophy and debating at a high minded way based on the principles of this great country. the reality may be it that it is just the high school cafeteria all over again and the machinations obey the rules of high school. that is a very sad thing to contemplate. but i think that is what we are seeing. >> particularly this fight. this felt very high school cafeteria. >> it did. i mean, there is obviously another back story here, that a lot of members of the house freedom caucus think she has been too cozy with kevin mccarthy. the idea she is not right wing enough. >> she is too cozy with kevin mccarthy, but they dmind when she spokea white nationalist conference. >> iis much worse to actually be sort of, i mean it is not even that kevin mccarthy is moderate. but the house freedom caucus

has been built on the idea of they basically are going to remain tightly knit. that gives them their power. so they feel as if mtg, marjorie taylor greene is moving closer to mccarthy. >> was that the nail in the coffin. >> i mean her power at the moment is derived from the speaker, he has elevated her. she is a key ally of his. the house freedom caucus doesn't exist to govern and pass bills and get things done. now she has become part of that. which is an interesting evolution. for a fire brand like her. i'm guessing they didn't like that. this back and forth with boebert. it is interesting cover story. just given, the house freedom caucus exists to torment and be mean to people in the rest of the republican party. so to be punished for a short

conversation strikes me as a bit of a cover story. her evolution toward house leadership had more to do with it. >> i think you are giving high school cafeterias a bad rap right now compared to how the freedom caucus behaves on the house floor. i think they are trying to torment everyone that is not a part of their small caucus. outside of even republicans. i think that scott's point is fair she is aligning herself with kevin mccarthy. she is still close to donald trump. if kevin mccarthy becomes unpopular, she will align herself, they may not let her back into the caucus. but will align herself in votes to boot kevin mccarthy. if that is what donald trump says. so i thought it was great when democrats had the house and kicked her off the committees because of some of her behavior. those are the standards i think we should be holding people to. i also don't think you should be calling people names in the

house floor and in general. so applauding on that small standard from the freedom caucus. >> you are for something the freedom caucus did? see i knew it. [ laughter ] >> cut it out. let's move onto ron desantis and where he stands in the republican primary. he raised 20 million-dollars in the second quarter which is of course impressive and his wife casey is out with a campaign push called mamas for desantis. and she has put out this ad of what her husband stands for. so let's watch a piece of that. >> he'll do for america what he did for us in florida. schools open. parents' rights defended. school choice, universal. critical race theory, prohibited. dei, stopped. child mutilation, illegal.

girls sports, saved. communities, protected. our economy, growing. and freedom guaranteed. >> okay, uh, james? child mutilation illegal? it is illegal everywhere by the way. i mean, obviously, they are referring to reassignment surgery, but that was fact checked. actually, the governor's office could not provide politifact few examples of this happening to a child. >> that ad was generally speaking well done. but the part we showed was actually the sort of more positive side. sorry to sound, strange to say. that was about what he is accomplishing. the first part of the ad is very bleak. kind of ponderous like things are going to hell or we are going to hell. and that i think has been kind of symptomatic of the problem i think desantis' campaign has had. it has been incredibly rage filled and angry. and kind of bitter. the second half of the ad i

think is kind of pointing toward a direction that maybe desantis might go. the other thing i think is if you watch the end of that ad, casey is much better on camera than ron desantis. she is just much more natural and much more winning. the last thing, i think the mama's thing is kind of cringey. it is sort of off of the sarah palin mama bear stuff. and it feels kind of cheesy. she doesn't seem like a mama exactly. but i get where they are trying to go with this. >> i can see how it would be cringey to some. but i can also if i try to put myself in the shoes of a mother that is upset about the fact she had to mask her child pointlessly, upset about say the fact that her child wasn't able to go to school for a lot longer than they should have been. upset about the fact there are some schools who say if your child starts identifying as a different gender, i have no responsibility to tell you as the parent. if i'm a parent upset about these kinds of issues which are

legitimate, i see that ad and that activates the mama bear in me. so this angle may work for him. >> i mean, many campaigns have tag lines for constituency organizing. i think that casey desantis and ron desantis are going to a specific component of their base. white women in their party who did not vote for hillary clinton. some came back and voted for joe biden. saying come back over here. you want to be on our team. the difference is, though, that might work in the republican primary. but when you get into a general election, there are a lot more mothers out there that want to have bodily autonomy over themselves and their daughters. that want their children to identify however they may want to. that actually do care about covid protocols and safety and appreciated people taking

precautions. i understand that it is a political tactic. it is short lived and won't span if he is able to make it out of the primary. >> casey desantis, good on camera. growing constituency in the republican party. moms upset about what has gone on in the schools on a number of fronts. i think it will be a good tactic. okay, now where is the leader the wagner group? you will hear that next. arely . blendjet 2 gives you ice-crushing, big blender power on-the-go. so you can blend up a mouthwatering smoothie, protein shake, or latte wherever you are! recharge quickly with any usb port. best of all, it even cleans itself! just blend water with a drop of soap. what are you waiting for? order yours now from blendjet.com before they

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to meet with alexander lukashenko. a pivotal figure here. he intervened during the armed insurgency in russia and offered the wagner mercenaries a deal. to come to belarus and to drop their armed rebellion. they agreed to do that. the uprising dissipated. so when i spoke to him today, all any of us wanted to talk about was what had become of wagner. were they here? what was actually happening on the ground here in belarus? take a listen to what lukashenko had to say. >> as far as i am informed as of this morning the wagner fighters are stationed at their regular camps where they go for rotation to rest and recover from the front lines. in terms of yevgeny prigozhin, he is in saint petersburg, or maybe this morning he would travel to moscow or elsewhere.

he is not in belarus now. >> reporter: the revelation that yevgeny prigozhin is not here in belarus which is where he was told arriving in exile. nor are any of his wagner soldiers so far. lukashenko made a point of saying he didn't know what would come next. he didn't know what was going to happen to prigozhin but he said he was certain that prigozhin would not be killed by putin. putin in his words would not do him in. but i can tell you it is extraordinary to hear the president of the neighboring country of belarus actually raise it as a possibility that the kremlin could assassinate the wagner leader and it is not good news for prigozhin who is we think inside russia. allison, back to you. >> thank you matthew. let's bring in cnn national security analyst steve hall and max boot. a senior fellow at the council

on foreign relations. thank you for being here. steve are you as confident as lukashenko is that prigozhin has not been killed by putin or will not be? >> no, i don't share his confidence, i'm afraid. what is clear is perhaps it is not is easy killing he thought he might be able to do. you know, just assassinating like he has done so many people inside and outside of russia. but that didn't rule out the possibility he might take a more well worn path. another fallen oligarch who essentially both of them served long prison sentences. we don't know whether nevali will ever get out. a lot of times a prison sentence in moscow can be the same as a death sentence. so either a short term or long term, i'm still not particularly hopeful for him. >> max, what's the status of the wagner group? you heard lukashenko say they were back at their regular

camps but didn't putin order them to join the russian army or disband or go home? >> those are great questions to which i have very few good answers. i am reminded of what churchill said about it being a riddle wrapped inside of a mystery in a larger enigma. it is very hard to know exactly what is going on here. but certainly, one can assume that putin is maybe having second thoughts about disbanding the wagner group because it is so useful to him. both in projecting power in the middle east and in africa. but also in fighting on the front lines in ukraine where the wagner group has been one of the most effective units in the russian army. what is going on here is another signal of weakness on putin's park. the fact that the wagner group could march within 120 miles of moscow and spark an armed rebellion and their leader is collecting money confiscated from him by the russian state. that's not the sign of a

dictator who has complete control of russian society. a dictator who feels he has to make deals with other power centers within russia and perhaps does not feel he can actually lock up prigozhin. at least not yet. >> gentlemen, i want you to watch what was playing on russian tv today. there are videos state tv is putting out. this is reportedly of a raid at prigozhin's house. the russian broadcasters were describing this as quote scandalous. what they found in there. you can see they found cash. they found dollars, weapons, wigs. you can see all sorts of different colored wigs in prigozhin's closet there. they found stuffed alligators that you might be able to see on the right side there. there was all sorts of stuff in his apartment. why is russian state tv putting

this out? >> well let me start by saying max is absolutely right. there's way too many questions here than there are answers but again, this appears to be going down the road of building a public case legally. that is kind of weird because in russia and moscow, there is no rule of law. but they are building a public case against him with regard to criminality and corruption. but here's the problem. the problem is that putin was on television not too many days ago saying by the way, all that wagner stuff you heard about, they are paid by the state. we are the ones who fund them. putin said this publicly to all russians who happen to be watching television. so the russians already know if there is any corruption, all the money they find, all the stuff they have found in his apartment, he put two and two together. it is from the kremlin. so how they will hope the propaganda works, they are just starting to build a case against him here for the

russian public because they are concerned about how the public will react. he might have more popularity than putin actually thinks. >> the messaging is off. >> i think it is a very mixed bag. on the one hand, putin has called prigozhin a traitor. said he was an armed rebellion. there was messaging that suggested prigozhin is corrupt and to discredit him. but at the same time, he is a free man. and from the reports i have seen, he has been able to collect some of the articles and money that was confiscated from his apartment. so i think there is perhaps what we are perhaps seeing is some ambivalence on the part of the kremlin on what to do with prigozhin. because on one hand he is a pain for putin, but he is also a useful thug for putin and we can speculate that perhaps putin didn't know exactly the best way to deal with him. but again, i want to stress, this is all speculation. we don't really know what is going on behind the scenes. clearly, there's a lot of hidden deal making going on that we can only guess at.

>> yeah. it is pretty rivetting to watch. steve, max, thank you both. from fistfight to legal fight. elon musk threatening to sue mark zuckerbergs. is threads a competitor or a copy cat? that's next. [sneezes] can a can of lysol take care of my snotty sofa? can-do mildewy tiles? can-do - these? - yup, it's the can-do can. nothing kills more germs on more surfaces than lysol disinfectant spray.

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the cage match between tech billionaires elon musk and mark zuckerberg is heating up. musk is threatening to sue meta. threadslaunched yesterday and reported 30 million user signups. it is in number one free app in the apple app store. joining me to discuss is nick

thompson. former wired editor and chief. great to see you. so is threads better than twitter? hold on. hold on. can we not hear nick? oh shoot. hey nick. >> now they have unmuted me. the answer it all depends on whether you are able to find your interests and the things you like. and that is what makes it viable. it depends on if you follow the right people. >> that is interesting because twitter's lawyers call threads a copy cat app. and they say that meta has quote engaged in systematic willful and unlawful misappropriation of twitter's trade secrets. threads looks very similar to twitter. so do they have a good case? >> well we will need to know a

lot more than what is in that letter. threads is taking most of its infrastructure from instagram. we don't know how much threads copied from twitter. trade secret law is pretty complicated. you would have to show there was some information that twitter tried to keep hidden. but then threads was somehow able to coerce employees into giving and they kind of went off and did it a little bit. that is how it works. twitter's main features are fairly obvious. so we will need to know a lot more before we know if there is a legal case for twitter here. >> what about zuckerberg posting he believes threads will be a friendlier public space than twitter? how will he control that? >> well, there are a lot of ways to control that. one will be more heavily moderated. they are importing the rules and moderation standards from

instagram. instagram is a heavily moderated platform. more so than twitter. musk has in fact gone in the opposite direction. he has been in favor of free speech. saying everybody can post. post what you want. taking a whole bunch of banned people and putting them back. that applies to a lot of people. the key question is how they got the algorithm to work. how it promotes stories and posts and comments that are emotionally triggering and starts fights or if it does the opposite. my guess is based on where facebook is now, where instagram is, they will push really hard to have this be kinder, gentler, softer. they don't want to be a public square. twitter is more interested in that. my guess is that is what threads will be. it will be a little simpler and kinder. whether people will like that, i don't know. >> fantastic. nick, thank you for walking us through all of this. great to talk to you tonight. >> thanks so much.

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we are in the midst of a golden age of black television. and we have only arrived here after an 80-year struggle for black artists to be seen and heard on tv. now, the new cnn original series see it loud, the history of black television, celebrates the creators who brought black tv to life. and looks at the impact it has had on american culture. here is a preview. >> i think about the history of black television. i really think about progress. for the longest time, we were

footnotes in history. it is so important for us to have african american rep presentation. >> we talk about things no one was willing to have a discussion about. >> can you believe they call us icons? >> that was one of the first times i saw myself in the sci- fi genre. >> that show was so successful it launched bravo network. >> tyler perry who owns a studio. in 1950, you never could imagine it. >> this was an era to be as loud and black as possible. >> we are the story. >> joining me now is justin semyon. the creator of the film dear white people and the netflix series of the same name. great to have you here. >> great to be here. >> so justin, some of these tv shows were my favorite. but i never thought of them as

black television until now. you know? the jeffersons, the cosbys. good times. all that. so tell me about the role black tv has had on all of us even if we were not aware of it. >> the thing about television, it is an intimate art form. an intimate form of cinema. when you go to the movies you are expecting to be blown away on the edge of your seats. when you watch a tv show, you are expecting to be brought into the interior world of a character. it is almost like you are hanging out with friends or you are sort of where you were. it brings the lives of black people into people's homes. and whether you are a black person, you go oh my god, their lives are just like mine. or you are not a black person and you go those people's lives are just like mine. it creates a sense of empathy for black people that i think

is really unique to the television art form. >> that is interesting. your show was part of a wave of black shows and it featured a new generation of black creators and stories. what was your vision for your show? >> my vision was to basically take what was maybe salacious or exciting or interesting about the movie. and do that thing that we just talked about. which is bring characters into the homes of people that normally they didn't have a lot of, you know, relationship with. all the characters in dear white people, the minute you see them on screen, the way they look and the way they say about themselves, leads you to kind of stereotype them. you think of them as very specific kinds of people. but then as the show unfolds you get to know what is really there. and it brings a lot of complexities. the mission was to bring a lot of complexities of black live into the forefront.

>> as i understand it there was backlash to it. when it first premiered which was i guess six or seven years ago. were you expecting that? >> yeah. there is always backlash when black people do things. [ laughter ] there was backlash when the movie came out. there was backlash when the first season came out. when the second season came out. when the third and fourth season came out. but the truth is one of the rare shows on netflix. that's a testament to you know, some of this backlash. a small group of people screaming very loudly. i think netflix did quite well in spite of the so-called backlash. >> so, what are you working on now? >> well i just finished my next movie. haunted mansion. which comes to theaters july 28th. >> right on. all right, well we will check

that out. and we will certainly tune in for the all-new cnn original series, see it loud. the history of black television. it premiers sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern pacific. thanks justin. great to talk to you. >> thanks so much. it is great being a part of this. >> thanks for watching cnn tonight. our coverage continues now.

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