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u.s. now expected to supply a highly controversial weapon to ukraine, and so controversial that most nations ban it. why the u.s. is agreeing to send cluster bombs to ukraine. exclusive investigators are probing a chaotic meeting in the oval office before the january 6th insurrection. does this mean they are closing in on the charges? and now, not only did a man escape the taliban, but he served as an interpreter for decades. at search is on for his killers. i'm kate bolduan with john b

berman and sara seidman. and the u.s. is expected to send a weapon so dangerous and to send it back to ukraine. ukraine has been asking for munition, but cluster munitions are a major risk to the civilians, because when they are fired, they release bomblets that sometimes don't explode, and deliver landmines that have been dormant for decades. ben, is there any impact what kind of powerful and effective impact these weapons could have on ukraine? >> well, sara, i could give you

an example, because today, we were at an artillery battery firing 500 anti-personal munitions, but a cluster antibare yield effectiveps of the ammunitions that we saw used today. it is necessarily around bakhmut where according to the ukrainian army, the russians have deployed 50,000 troops in a smaller a ya, and they are deployed in multiple layers of trenches that are dug deep. cluster munitions despite all of

the lob em and of course, trying to deploy them, but there are problems. the united states tried to deploy these problems and they have a high number of dug rate, and so these bombs can stay in the ground for months, years and decades afterwards, and hopefully when this war is over, the problem is that the civilians will come back to the area that are farmlands by and large around the area. >> yeah. and we know that russia has used the cluster bombs around ukraine, but ukraine is in talks with the united states to try and get some long range wep pops. what can you tell us about that

effort, and if it is going anywhere at this point? >> president zelenskyy mentioned it in a press conference last night that he is in the discussions with the american consi considering. >> and the weapon system they want their hands on is the army system known as tactical mission. what is important is that last summer, the u.s. started to provide them with the russian pull the command and control centers farther away from the front lines, and they are very accurate as well.

it is definitely going to give the ukrainians that necessary advantage at this critical time when the offensive seems to be gathering sound group. you are in ukraine where the fighting is pierce. >> want toe ooh poot and just to show you how many bomb lers. these have been used in ukraine already on the ukrainian civilians, because you can see the series of explosions, but i wanted to point out right here, the series of explosions, but right here, unploeded bomb letment is and general mark

hurtling, and it is great to see you. can we about this and why they are effective? >> well, because of the pieces shown in ben's piece, they cover wide areas, and several football areas, and that is absolutely correct. and getting into the cons in a second, but it can cover a wide area. and when the cluster munitions fire pd by u.s. and not the high mars type of the rock tear bomblets that can strike civilian land to strike both soldiers and equipment, john. so it does carry a wide area,

but in order to imfloed that readded people equipment sgemt but also large consolidations of people, men. so those are the pros. it does cover a large area here. >> and we have a wide watch that says an indiscriminate group of munitions that should be banned from the battlefield, because civilians can pick them up and be injured.

in fact, russia has been using them in the eastern donbass since early 2014. and innocent civilians have been pish pd sense see them and them up. and john, what we are talking about is the u.s. to deliver >> and that i have experience personal le. >> ta is about four or five small grenades times is 00,000, that is half a million, and strong denad nae sgerm and they need to be destroyed after a

period of time, and even in this type of defense where they have asked for them, they have other problems like that once as because then they will experience the same type of rou rounds and so and that is also out of safety concerns of your own tools. >> and you have experience here of a dash dg mark hertling on top of the tank here some years ago, and talk to us about your own experience. >> yeah, that is on top of the bradley fighting vehicle in

world war i. in fact, on february 27th, remember it was. our tank was in a place where a battery had been fired in the wrong place, and in a minute of 30 minutes it had not destroyed any of the snochld and we saved all of the equipment. it had shot a missile through and so, we learned firsthand what they can do to armied t trucks and of the 33 surroundling sfrshg a couple of

pieces those trench openings are only wo to three foot wide, and so this an area that is several ft. you are noping is a very hop pe we dot say that general luzny's request for these things like the air bas nirmgts and we have a lot of them, because we

have given this tem highmar round, and the more precise will hit human target, because you don't want to waste the rounds on individuals, but you can certainly cover the with drowned sh >> general mark hertling, glad you were not seriously injured, and you must be fun to go through airports. the security council overseeing donald trump'ser -- donald trump's ability to run for office, and in that meeting,

a wild array of ideas to stay in power. ideas were floated like having the military seize the voting machines. invoking hoe >> here is what people described as being inside of the room to the january 6th congressional meeting. >> i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. i don't think that any of the people were advising the president with good advice. >> at times people were shouting at each other, and hurling remarks at each other. >> and they were showing nothing but contempt and disstain for each other. >> i think it got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. >> i am going to categorically

describe it as you guys are not tough enough. or maybe another way, you are a bunch of [ bleep ]s. >> katelyn polantz is part of the team behind this investigation, and who is the special counsel focusing in on? >> we don't know, but we know they are focusing in on this meeting, and talking to the witnesses about it, and they have been asking about it for quite some time, and they have brought people into the grand jury previously who were there, but again, they are doubling back, and they are making sure that they are talking to more people about this meeting december 18th, well into the night where things really escalated inside of the white and all of the ideas to challenge the election are there, and there in the room,

and they are sharing them with donald trump himself. so there are trump advisers, and former white house counsel pat cipollone is saying that there is no fraud. there is no fraud. in is done, you have lost the election. and there are other people on the other side who are causing this escalation, sidney powell and others to tell him that he should consider questioning the election results, and consider appointing sidney powell as the counsel of the administration and things they were pushing back on, and then rudy giuliani talking about this plan of fake electors to overturn trump 's

administration is confronted with the extreme ideas as well as the fact that there are not votes flipped against him in the election undutily, and now that is of interest of the special counsel, and he even talked to giuliani about it. >> katelyn, thank you. sara? >> two new jersey firefighters ran intowards to put sflo and the crews battling the flames didn't have the trust they need. >> and the warning to the voters in that state. and britney spears sea says

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and donald trump returns to the campaign trail in iowa coming as former vice president mike pence turned the gop primary competitor as well made a thin ly veiled jab at his former boss to have the voters think about which candidate can go back to the white house. >> i believe that different times call for different leadership.

and more team or at the >> this is all after to the floeshgt. and now, president biden announced a series of moves of lowering the costs ohealth care as part of the new scheme that he is doing which is called, and i don't know if he likes this name, but bidenomics, and what can you us about this message if it is rel larly resonating. >> he clear is going another and we have to remember that voter across the country have been experiencet the hard time for a

long time as many people are hard having a lard sfleefrm and gas was cheaper, buzz it was still very pensive and the question is voters are going to actual believe him, because they believed sfornlgt and right now, it is ooh nerl to -- that we are not likely to tell until we get closer to the november election. >> kristen, can you give me a sense of what is happening between donald trump and vice president pence on the campaign trail. pence was defending himself to some of the folks that he was talking to who were asking him

why he di wonder why you perd that donald trum to choose to be t the. people say. is rnlg sgrshg and he knows they had some popular pop sis, and he wants to take credit for those, and then when the 2020 meeting is a big focus of the special counsel, and we obviously know that he has been indicted twice, but the question is whether or not these tlofrl and when we are

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is all at an all-time high for women especially for the third time age, a women of prime stij 55 to 34 at the risbling and i think that confidence and we will continue to do that office and build that active growth. >> yes, the participation of women is interesting and noteworthy in the report. i wanted to ask you about the china secretary has a big task in front of her trying to smooth out the criticism between yup the united states does not seek

a wholesale look of our economy. it is a decouping of our ec econ economies, and it woun plour virtu virt virtuallin >> and now the burn in recent months, and how important is china to here and the labor market in your view? >> well, bionomics is about three things, investing in american industries so we produce more here. another and it is also about investigating in american workers you can have parts of

that groept and also, to make sure that we have respect and is so to have conversations there, and the talks broke down, and there is something gdp moves on the u.p.s. trucks, but both sides are accusing each other from walking away from the talks. but biden thanked you for stepping to help kofl, and do you think that you need to step

in here to figure things with u.p.s.? >> well, et is? of the important work that u.p.s. workers did through the pandemic like today, and i like the president believe in collective bargaining, and i am hopeful that is what they continue to do. we are monitor the situation, but we respect the parties finding a path forward in a win-win solution. >> right now, you don't feel the need to step in like you did in calif california? that is right. we will allow the parties do what they need to do, and it is a light market in which the parties have power and that is a greater vision of the parties and what it look like for the

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cnn's audi corn ish is joining us with more. can you give us a sense of what stuck out the you as you were speaking to the families. it is a huge issue for those who have teenagers. >> you are right about that. one of the things that was very clear is that it is very not easy for a parent to keep up with either their kid or the tech companies when it is coming to policing this technology. the other thing that is in all of the conversation about the geoplit kargss am tick oklahoma this come and neernl and from bullying to disordering if

ledding depending upon various challenges that come to harm. there are a number of ways and pitfalls, and it is not clear that social media companies were taking a gres zif action that come into play. there are various things coming into play, and curving the social media apps and how they operate. any sense that you got doing this that there might be a federal look at this and perhaps congress makes a move here? >> right now, there is some interesting legislation coming from different parts of the political spectrum. democrat richard blumenthal, and marsha blackburn from tennessee are paired on a bill called children's safety act. but there is not anything called age verification, and just like

you can't get into social ya or president. and the supreme court was asked to look into algorhythmic recommendation, and this is why you are seeing it coming through the legal and state level, because when it comes to the court, they are not ready to move. >> one of the things that the parents are frustrated with is that the legislators are not aware of how this works with enough. >> it is something important for all families to watch. thank you, audie cornish. john? >> "wired for trouble" airs

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