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she goes into the dark side of social media airing this sunday 8 p.m. eastern on cnn. the news continues. have a great weekend. primetime with kaitlyn collin starts now. >> good evening. i'm kaitlyn collins and tonight donald trump is airing his grievances on the campaign as reawaits his trial. >> it never before. he had doing well! we have to arrest him! these people are sick. if i weren't leading in the polls by so much, they wouldn't be indicting me. if i were not running, they wouldn't be indicting me. >> those claims from trump as jack smith is in the closing stages of his january 6th investigation. last night we brought you conclusive reporting about a

meeting of high interest to the special counsel but what is very notable is what happened before and after that day in the oval offense and the final days of the trump presidency what is known now as team crazy and coin normal regarding that deep divide within the trump camp. >> we learned that smith's team continues to ask witnesses about meeting december 18, 2020, 19 days before the january 6 riot and four days after the electoral college ratified president biden's win. what is the a meter where there was a push to seize voting machines and declare martial law. listen to what former national security adviser flynn said before the meeting took place. >> he can order within the swing states if he wanted to he can

take military capabilities and place they had in those states and basically rerun an election in those states. it's not unprecedented. people out there talking about martial law as if it's something we have never done. >> that's december 17th 2020. the very next day mike flynn and others went into the oval office for his meeting. he pleaded the sixth when he was asked about the january 6 congressional committee. another impersonate on what is known as team crazy is trolling the special counsel today, the former overstock ceo patrick burn who was in the oval office where he said, quote. and he asked smith to call him collect. joined now by a pair of former

federal prosecutors, williams andally -- lipman. what could the potential charges be if there are charges that come from this meeting? what is your guess it would be conspiracy obstruction? what do you think? >> well yes and yes but it's interesting. first we know he is and even recently because giuliani comes on bended knee and can ask them anything and there's a lot of focus in two days of eight hour meetings on this meeting. i think as you say kaitlyn what precedes and post dates the meeting is important. what proceeds is they're just storming in unannounced and that's what makes team normal rush in and then we have like six hours of screaming over theories that actually they

don't implement, martial law to get the machines or making sydney powell the special counsel but then after is when trump does his famous infamous tweet it's going to be wild about january 6 so two things you can say about the meeting. first trump is told again and again and again there is no evidence here and by the way it's too late on electors that happened four days goad and then second, everything heard all this that he went out and did that infamous tweet so i think can you surmise that smith is following a theory that this is when he began to focus on the sort of jack pence and final play of january 6 itself. if that's right that means the charges he's looking at will include that final may lay which is in itself news. >> yes, and that tweet about will be wild that trump posted

following these crazy meetings and elliott if it's a conspiracy charge you can't conspire alone. you saw what patrick burnes said in response to our reporting. i'm assuming that is not a good sign for him? >> it's generally not a good sign kaitlyn because typically, prosecutors would not compel a conversation or testimony from someone they were charging with a crime. it's the sixth amendment to the constitution you can't give the right to remain i'll -- silent. you can't have a conspiracy by yourself and you have to prove some agreement between two parties, some statement that one person makes that another person agrees with and then one step only one step taken in further rans of that conspiracy. now i don't want to read too much into this one meeting or conversation but if you have people batting ideas around and

then one of the people from that goes out and one person talks about that meeting that can be evidence of a conspiracy. pulling in everybody affiliated with it. so remains to see what evidence they have but certainly you're exactly right not talking to prosecutors could be a sign after problem for that one witness. >> harry you reference the timeline of this this being critical. the other part of this is that meeting was 17 days after the attorney general bill barr told the associated press no evidence of widespread fraud in the election. he said he was delivering this message. he said that publicly. he said later on this is the message he was saying to trump privately. >> i made it clear i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuffchy told the president is [bleep].

>> how important is it to people on jack smith's to hear what trump was being told privately by people like bill barr compared to what he was doing publicly and what he was saying? >> you know, it's pivotal because this has alsd been a crime in plain sight and it would be very exotic or cookie mental status defense i thought this or that so when you have the attorney general of the united states telling you on december 1st and when you have the grown ups in the room screaming at team crazy there's no evidence here and trump is sitting this taking it in, it tents to really add to what i think is already kind after mountain of evidence that trump, anything he had said in public about oh, i thought i could just declassify everything or in my mind everything i could do whatever i wanted. he just can't believe that.

he didn't believe it. i think there's evidence of that in the indictment and he can't when he's getting such emphatic advice the other people there are just the ones that will tell him what he wants to hear, but that doesn't cut it when you have such a refrain and a screaming refrain here, a vulgar refrain even, saying, there is no evidence here. period. >> i mean elliott whether we talk about what bill stepian described as team crazy and team normal following that meeting it's pretty clear which path trump chose which team trump chose, even if he didn't move on the executive order that was suggested or martial law or making sydney powell special counsel. he still did continue to say, the election was stolen. he is still saying it today. you know, as of 9 p.m. on this friday night. >> you know, i think it can't

been underscored enough and harry touched on this a moment go the advice the president had gotten was improper or illegal or wrong could bite them as evidence, so take conspiracy to defraud the united states which might be the kind of charge that would be considered for something like this, you would have to establish they knew what they were doing was faulty or unlawful or deceiving people and being told by this group of lawyers i'll use the term team normal saying this is unlawful or you can't do this could itself be evidence of the fact the trump team was put on notice what they were doing is wrong so all this advice any team the a member of the team was notified they lost the election could be relevant.

>> speaking of attorneys rudy giuliani is far from being the only former member of trump's legal team who faced consequences for what happened in that time period and you can see here there's multiple of these attorneys who faced several of these issues, rudy giiani, sydney powell, lynwood, johnny obviously, today an ethics panel giuliani's law license should be revoked because of the work he did on a failed lawsuit challengeing the election results. it's not a final decision to disbar him but how do you see this end something could this go the way of what happened to lynwood who retired before he could be disbarred? >> so certainly, look. this is where giuliani goes in front of the pennsylvania court and says, all these outlandish things at the same time doesn't know what standing is. it's this outrageous performance. it's so odd during this time, these lawyers who are the final stalwarts for trump think it's

okay to say anything and everything. you're right. it's just a recommendation, but more often than not the recommendations are accepted. i think giuliani's law license to practice in d.c. is about to be pulled from him. you know, he's -- the twilight of his career has been a very odd phase. i don't know if he needs on wants to practice anymore, but definitely all these lawyers who are the final circle around trump, they face not just criminal possibilities but also losing their livelihood and that's true of sydney pould and jenna ellis so they've got double trouble. >> i should not giuliani spokesman reached out saying they're pushing back fighting on. this see how it ends up. elliott harry thank you. ahead executive one on one with president biden on the day he made what he said was quote had a difficult decision. the weapon he's now sending to ukraine that his former pets

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explosives over an area the size of several football fields. the bomblets are supposed to go off when they hit the ground but often don't kids have been known to find they had thinking they're toys and people stumble over them years later. the dangerers are so great they are banned by much of the world today. although as the white house highlighted russia uses them with abandon in ukraine. the white house says the ukraine gave insurance they would refrain from using these bombs against civilians. why he changed his mind. >> you have news today, the news is the administration is going to provide cluster munitions to

the ukranians. these are weapons that a hundred nations ban including some of our closest nato allies when there was news the russians might be using them admittedly against civilians, your then press secretary said this might be the constituent war crimes. what made you changed your mind and decide to give them these sgheps. >> two things and it was very difficult decision on my part. by the way, i discussed this with our allies, discussed this with our friends up on the hill and weird in a situation where ukraine continues brutally attacked across the board by munitions, by these cluster munitions that had dud rates that are very low, i mean very high that, are a danger to civilians, number 1. number 2, the ukranians are running out of ammunition. the ammunition that is they calling them .155 millimeter

weapons. this is a war relating to munitions and they're running out of that ammunition and we are low on it and so, what the i finally did, i took the recommendation of the defense department to not permanently, but to allow for this transition period where we have more .155 weapons amid the shells for the ukranians to provide them with something that has a very low dud rate i think .150 which is the least likely to be blowing and they're trying to get through those trenches and stop those tanks from rolling. and so, it was not an easy decision and we are not significant forr r ries -- signatories of that. but the main thing is they have the weapons to stop the russians now to keep them from stopping the ukranian offensive through these areas, or they don't, and

i think they needed them. >> when you go to the nato summit, the big strategic issue is that ukraine wants membership in nato. should it get membership in nato? >> i don't think it's ready forward membership in nato but here's the deal. i spent, as you know, a great deal of time trying to hold nato together because i believe putin had is an overwhelming objective from the time he launched 185,000 troops into ukraine and that was to break nato. he was confident in my vied and in the intelligence community they could break nato so holding natalee together is really critical. i don't think there's unanimity in nato about whether or not to bring ukraine into the family now in the middle of a war. for example if you did that, and i mean what i said, we are

determined to commit every inch of territory that is nato territory. it's a commitment that we've all made no matter what f. the war is going on and we are all in a war with russia, so i think we have to lay out a rationale passion for russia, excuse me for ukraine to be able to qualify to get into nato and we have when the first first time i met with putin two years ago in geneva and he said, i want commitments on no ukraine and nato and i said we are not going to do that because it's an open door policy and we are not going to shut anybody out nato is a process that takes time to meet all the qualifications and from democratization to a whole range of other issues so in the meantime i spoke with zelenskyy at length about this and one of the things i indicated is the united states would be ready to

provide while the process is going on and it's going to take a while, while that process is going on, to provide security a la the security we provide for early providing the weaponry the capacity to defend themselves if there is an agreement if there is a cease-fire if there is a peace agreement so i think we can work it out, and but i think it's premature to say, to call for a vote in now because there's other qualifications to consider including democratization including other areas. >> freed zachariah joins me know. i think what's obvious from that answer. >> you have to remember the u.s. was not planning this military intervention in the sense of providing the massive level of supply of weaponry having to do

with ukraine. the war is eating it up. so what has happened is we are running low on the kind of munitions the ukranians need, united states is. the u.s. does have stockpiles of these cluster bombs and president biden made a determination that it's more important that they not lose ground the russians that they are able to succeed or have a chance of success in the counteroffensive. i think the point he makes is i think on balance correct, which is the greatest harm to civilians in the area would be if the russians win. because the russians have shown themselves to be totally indisriminate so what the ukranians are doing is trying to use the weapons to break up the russian positions which are hardened in trenches in tanks. there is always a danger but again, we have to can keep our eyes on the prize i suppose which is, if russia were to twin

what the in any of these situations is it better or worse for civilians? certain lid for the last year what we have seen it's been terrible for civilians and these are ukranian sylvester so the ukranian government has i have intention to minimize lessen casualties. >> that was the point security adviser jake sullivan made these are people they're using them to protect but despite that biden is facing push back on this position from a former democratic sen pat leahy and jim merkley saying it would come at and unsupportable moral and political price and the last thing we need is to risk a rupture with key allies. >> i think the way if you listen to that answer again, and listen to it carefully i think it's clear it'sments to be a transitional device for exactly

the reason you said. they're hoping to ramp up regular munitions to have enough supplies, but in the meantime, if there's, i'm going to guess, a six-month or three month gap they evening it's more important that ukraine not lose any of these key battles in this key period of a counteroffensive, and it's you know it's a compromise. war is hell. >> it was also striking as he's getting ready to go to that nato summit saying he doesn't believe they're ready to join. fascinating interview. thanks for joining news is thank you. >> you can watch the entire interview that he did with president biden sunday morning 10 p.m. right here on cnn. coming up, new reporting that was just published in the "new york times," about trump's former chief of staff saying in a sworn statement that then-president presume ask the irs to investigate two fbi officials that he has very

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york times," reporting that donald trump's former chief of staff john kelly said in a sworn statement under penalty of perjury to note the ex-president once discussed having the irs and other agencies investigate two fbi officials who were involved in the fbi russia probe, peter strzok and lisa page. you heard their names from the former president at rallies. they had text messages that were made public or were critical of the former president. peter strzok is suing the fbi. i should note that all this comes in this reporting tonight where kelly is telling the times that before trump had a pattern of attempt to go use his authority as president against those who have been critical of him. for more on this breaking story i bring back elliott women's and harry lippman. elliott to get a fuller picture and remind people peter strzok

was working on the russia investigation criticizing trump or making public he's in this lawsuit against them essentially for violating his privacy rights by releasing those text messages but also is saying in it he was wrongfully terminated. now in this john kelly has given a sworn statement and i want to read part of it. i says, president trump questioned whether investigations by the irs or other federal agencies should be undertaken into mr. strzok and or mrs. page. i do not know if president trump ordering such an investigation. it appeared however he wanted to see mr. strzok and miss page investigated. what do you make thereof story? >> so, let's step back from the story for a second and go the underlying principle here. in a healthy democracy there

ought to be a divide between law enforcement and the president. frankly this july 4th week something the framers wanted to establish that the president ought not be directing investigations into individual people. frankly, quite frankly that's why right now there are multiple special counsel's investigating former president trump and conduct of president biden about doubts. when i was at the justice department for the forever joint meetings with the white house, and if cases were going to come up would send the white house people out of the room so near merely even asking the question or presenting the idea maybe the irs ought to investigate these people is problematic for anyone in the white house let alone a former president of the united states. >> it's not just any agency that's illegal. after nixon left office congress made it illegal for any

president to not just directly but also indirectly to order the irs or other agencies to investigate someone harry so when you look at this as part of this investigation and the part of that lawsuit that peter strzok last filed what do you make of the fact that it's trump's chief of staff cellini a sworn statement saying that this is something he talked about that he had questioned whether or not this could happen? >> pretty credible i think and as kelly said of a larger vendetta on his part, and look. something very important happened today in this lawsuit. the judge said that trump himself now has to be deposed, that department of justice resisted and said it's not necessary and the junk said no, no, no, we have and kelly assertions is big part of that and it's not just about struck and page but vendetta.

another point to raise trump is in trouble. there is a civil suit where he has to be deposed and we think about the criminal cases but he's got at least 3 big civil lawsuit problems, this, e.g. carroll and the new york a.g. and that's the kind of thing. he will have to be deposed. that's the order. he can try to take the fifth but it can be used against him in the lawsuit and right now, strzok and page it's been a long time coming as you mentioned, trump really vilified them and nasty vulgar and asked why, one reason only because they criticized him in private text. that's why he wants the irs to be hounding them. that is chillingly nixonian. >> also ironic given he has someone who claims he's always under audit. thanks for coming back on this breaking story.

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>> the battle for the republican nomination is heating up in the hawkeye state. at a speech today in council bluffs, iowa former president trump took aim at his main rival florida governor desantis for his stan on ethanol subsidies and china. >> they would outsource every american farming job to a foreign country. this is what ron desantis wanted to document he sided with the connesses in china. i sided with the farmers in america. >> those comments 24 hours after desantis accused the former president in being more interested in tearing him down than building republicans up. joining me to bakari sellers from south carolina and host of

the sellers podcast and jeff duncan former lieutenant governor of the state of georgia. jeff that was supposed to be the overarching message today but for a lot of the speech trump focused on his indictment. is he stepping on his own message. >> it's the same old same old calling names and 3 percent is trying to suck up to the crowd and tell them what they want to hear. rinse and repeat. he continues to do it and that's what we saw today. >> everyone is in iowa, mike pence making it is his entire strategy to have a good slowing there. last night he asked republicans and i'm quoting pence now, to think carefully about the right leadership at the g.o.p. wants to win back the white house. is that really -- he doesn't name trump. >> no, these republicans are just too soft. everybody running against donald

trump is just cottonelle. don desank money just, you have to fight donald trump. that's the only thing bullies understand, fight back. he's taking the fight to every single republican that matters and i'm not sure mike pence matters but they're trying to take the higher ground. they're using the lines from my favorite first lady of all time when they go low, we go high that doesn't work with donald trump. when donald trump goes low you have to go as low or equally lower. i understand the quorum. we had the conversation about marjorie taylor green but you can't beat donald trump being soft. everybody is looking soft. >> how does that factor what florida is doing now requiring the candidate on their ballot to sign a loyalty pledge like the ones the republican national committee is citing? >> i couldn't think of a worse

idea if you want to beat joe biden. you couldn't invent this step. it's one misstep after another. i'll take a different angle. yes you got to punch a bull any the nose but you have to center recenter republicans and americans in the middle back toward the real problems we face today, the problems that there's a war raging in europe, there's a economy teeth erring, inflation sticky as ever and these are real problems so you have to punch a nose but you get sucked into his game and he's going to beat you at that game. i think we have to find the leader to stand up and mike pence right message wrong messenger. he had four years to say what he is saying today and didn't. >> the idea is to look relatable, eat the local food. trump went to a dairy queen and there was a moment his campaign posted this video but he asked this question in the dairy

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>> there's new momentum from an unusual pair or capitol hill to study psychedelic drugs, new york congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and republican congressman dan crenshaw. details in a washington post pea best ben terrace shortly after she had come to capitol hill. that amendment failed on a 331 to 91 vote she said, a member of my own party a senior member walked up to me and said, oh is this your shrooms bill? the senior democrat laughed in her face literally mocking it she said. now the renewed push in congress is being taken more seriously including by a group of

supporters like my next guest, tom rodgers, at a ceremony last summer one who rides his horse east and tom you have said this isn't about people having drug parties in their basements. so for somebody not familiar with signing del extell us how it's helpful in a mental health capacity. >> as you know, we suffered massive mental trauma ought of the pac-. mental health is one of the primary issues confronting us and significantly confronting veterans who we are fighting not the 19 suicides a day but actually more into the 40s. they're losing perhaps 44 veterans to suicide a dated and then we have native american youth, teenagers that are second

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research. this is not about -- >> you mentioned veterans there. and i think that's an important part of this message, especially one that resonates with everyone, but especially on capitol hill. because their suicide rate is higher than the general public. so i wonder, does the veteran community, are they helpful in pushing this forward? are you hopeful there will be momentum on this and change? >> i am -- i am cautiously optimistic. eventually, we will prevail. in reference to earlier, mr. machiavelli said over 400, 500 years ago, the most difficult thing is to change the order of things, to see with new eyes. you saw that remark to representative cortez about, is this your shrooms bill? education is not seeing new things, it's seeing with new eyes. we have to re-educate people. because they're anchoring to the war on drugs philosophy, they're

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for decades he lived through the war in afghanistan and stayed on with special combat forces as an interpreter fighting against the taliban. he survived the war only to die in the middle of the night this week in washington, d.c. where he was working as a lyft driver. police are now searching for the four people you see here running away from nasrat's car. he had been pulling an extra shift to support his wife and four children. the youngest is just 15 months old. jeremy malone helps nasrat leave afghanistan and joins me now. this is just such a devastating story. about his life, what can you tell us about what he lived through in afghanistan, how he served in this incredibly tough role alongside the u.s. military before he came to the united states? >> so as a kid, nasrat helped u.s. forces in ways that he could, doing small jobs and favors. but formally, he worked for u.s.

army special forces for ten years as a combat interpreter. and combat interpreters are really the unsung heroes of the u.s. military. they go through a tremendous lot. they risk their lives every day. they continue to stay in danger when their job is done, and they do it for very little pay. it is really a huge sacrifice that they make for us. but he was really committed to the mission. he was really committed to the u.s. mission. he loved the service members that he served with. he was so proud of his service. and he was also proud of the work that was being done for afghanistan. he wanted to see afghanistan be a place where people were free and could be educated and not live in fear. that was why he did what he did.

he was so proud to come to the united states. he was relieved to come to the united states. and he didn't want anything except the opportunity to be able to earn a living for his family and to give his children the opportunities that he didn't have and that they would never be able to have in afghanistan under the taliban. he just wanted them to have an education and to be successful and to be safe. >> his kids, they're so young. i know he has just the youngest being only 15 months old. have you talked to his family? how are they doing tonight? >> they're being very strong and very brave, but they are really devastated. i've been in regular contact with them. his wife is heartbroken and stressed. the kids are being really brave. they're so sweet. they're really tough, they loved their dad so much. i know he loved them. he was always telling me how much he loved his kids. he was always saying, "my children are my life." he had opportunities to potentially leave afghanistan

without them and send for them later, and he denied those opportunities. he said, "no, i could never live without my children." so everybody is very heartbroken. extended family and everybody is really, really devastated. >> he was also still supporting his family back in afghanistan. when you speak to his family, give them our best. i know you set up a gofundme to help his family. we are showing it right now. we'll share it online. "support family of murdered afghan interpreter." it goes to them. thank you for doing that and thank you for joining us on this difficult subject. >> thank you for having me. >> "cnn tonight with abby phillip" starts right now. >> thank you, kaitlin. that is a horrible story. i hope people will support that gofundme account for his family. thanks, and good evening to everyone tonight. is donald trump getting closer to another indictment? the former president has already been indicted twice