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sick. if i were not leading the polls by so much, they wouldn't be indicting me. if i were not running, they wouldn't be indicting me. >> of those claims from trump, as jack smith is in the closing stages of his january 6 investigation. last night we brought you exclusive reporting hear about a meeting of high interest to the special counsel, but what is very noble is what happened before and after that he had a gathering in the oval office in the final days of the trump presidency, be teaming what is known as team crazy and team normal. coined by former trump campaign manager with the d divide within the trump campaign and following the 2020 election that he lost. jack smith's team continues to ask about this meeting that took place on eight -- december 18, 2020, 19 days before the general six right and 40s before the electoral college

ratified president biden's win, a meeting where there was a push to seize voting machines and declare martial law. listen to what one of the participants, former national security adviser michael flynn in his own words just a day before the meeting took place. >> he could order, within the swing states, if you wanted to, take military capabilities and put them in those states and basically rerun the election in each of those states, it is not unprecedented, people talking about martial law, like it's something we never done.>> december 17, 2020. the very next day, michael flynn and several others went to the oval office for the meeting. while he talked publicly about martial law then, michael flynn later pleaded the fifth when he was asked by the january 6 congressional committee. meanwhile another participant on what is known as team crazy is trolling the special counsel today after our reporting, the former overstock ceo patrick

byrne who was also in the meeting the oval office, here he linked to cnn's exclusive reporting and said quote, hi jack smith, i take all responsibility, best of all with my memory, i can tell you amazing detail and he asked smith to call him collect. jointed out tonight by. former prosecutors, elliott williams and harry litman, thank you, let me start with you harry. reporting about how intensely jack smith is looking at this meeting, what kind of potential charges, if there are charges that come with the meeting, we don't know if there will be but if there are, what is your guess what it would be, conspiracy, obstruction, what do you think? >> yes and yes, but interesting he's focused on it, we know he is even recently. because rudy giuliani comes on bended knee and he can ask them anything and there's a lot of focus and 2 days of eight hour

meetings on this meeting. as you say caitlin, what precedes and postdates the meeting are important, what precedes is just storming in unannounced, that's what makes team normal rush in, then we have six hours of screaming, over theories that actually they don't implement, martial law, to get the machines or making sydney powell these special counsel, but then after is when trump goes and does his infamous tweet, it is going to be wild, about january 6, two things you can say about the meeting, first is that trump is told again and again, there is no evidence here, and by the way it is too late on the electors, that happened four days ago. and 2nd, having heard all of this, that he went out and did that infamous tweet, so i think you can surmise that smith is following a theory that this is when he really began to focus

on the sort of final play of january 6 itself, if that is right, it means the charges he's looking at will include that final melee, which is in itself news. >> that tweet about will be wild was something that trump posted after he followed the crazy meetings. if it is a conspiracy charge, obviously you can't conspire alone, you saw what patrick byrne said in response to our reporting, it's clear he has not spoken with the special counsel's team, i'm assuming that is not a good sign for mr. burn. >> generally not a good sign cuts of the prosecutors would not compel a conversation from someone that they were charging with a crime, the six amendment of the constitution, you can't testify against herself. look, to your point, you can have a conspiracy by yourself

but it is not that hard to establish a conspiracy, you have to prove some agreement between two parties in a statement that one person makes that enough in person agrees met with -- that they agree with, in furtherance of the conspiracy, i don't want to read too much in this conversation, but if you have people batting ideas around and then one of the people from that goes out and carries out the things that we are talking about in this meeting, that can be evidenced itself of a conspiracy. pulling and everybody who is aware of it or affiliated, it remains to be seen what evidence they have. certainly you are right, not talking to prosecutors could be a sign of a problem.>> harry, you referenced the timeline as being critical. the other part is, the meeting was 17 days after bill barr told the associated press no evidence of widespread fraud in the election, he said he was

delivering this message, and he said later on this was a message he was saying to trump privately. >> i made it clear i didn't agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting the stuff out, which i told the president was bs. >> as a prosecutor, how important is it to people in jack smith's team to hear what trump was being told privately by people like bill barr compared to what he is doing publicly and what he was saying? >> it is pivotal. this has always been a crime in plain sight, the only possible thing for the defense would be some kind of really very exotic, you could say, or khoukhi mental status defense, i thought this and i thought that. so when you have the attorney general of the united states telling you on december 1, and again the grown-ups in the room, pat cipollone, pat tillman, screaming at team crazy there

is no evidence and trump is sitting there and taking it in, it tends to add to what is already kind of a mountain of evidence, that trump, anything he said public about oh, i thought i could just declassify everything, or in my mind everything, i could do whatever i wanted, he just can't believe, he didn't believe that, i think there is evidence of that in the indictment and he can't when he is getting such emphatic advice, the other people there are just the ones that will tell him what he wants to hear but that doesn't cut it when you have such a refrain and a screaming refrain here, a vulgar refrain even saying there is no evidence here, period. >> elliott, we talk about what bill step in famously described as team crazy and team normal, following the meeting it is pretty clear which path trump shows, which team trump shows,

even if he didn't move on the executive order that was suggested or martial law or making sydney powell's special counsel, he still did continue to say the election was stolen and he is still saying in today. as of 9 pm on this friday night. >> right, it can't be underscored enough, harry touched on the point a little bit a moment ago, advised that either the former president or the people around him had gotten to what they were doing was improper or illegal or wrong could come back to bite them as evidence, relevant to conspiracy to defraud the united states, which might be the kind of charge that would be considered for something like this, you would have to establish that they knew what they were doing was faulty or unlawful or deceiving people and being told by this cadre of lawyers including white house staff, i will use the team normal term, this is unlawful

or you can't do it, could itself be evidence of the fact that the trump team has been put on evan desperate notice that what they were doing was wrong, anytime he was notified or member of the team was notified they lost the election, could potentially come in as evidence in be quite relevant. >> speaking of all these attorneys today, rudy giuliani is far from being the only former member of trump's legal team he was face consequences for what happened in that time period, you can see here the are multiple attorneys who face several these issues, rudy giuliani, sydney powell, lynnwood, john eastman obviously, today an ethics panel found giuliani's law license should be revoked because of the work he did on a field lawsuit challenging the election results. it is not a final decision to does bar him but how do you see this ending? good to go the way of what we saw having to lynnwood who basically retired before he could be disbarred?

>> certainly, look, this is where judy -- rudy giuliani says all these outlandish things and at the same time doesn't know what standing is, outrageous performance, so i during this time, these lawyers, the final stalwarts for trump really think it's okay to say anything and everything, you are right, it is just a recommendation but more often than not the recommendations are accepted, i think rudy giuliani's law license to practice in dc is about to be pulled from him, the twilight of his career, don't even know if he needs or wants to practice anymore, but definitely all of these lawyers who the final circle around trump, they face not just criminal possibilities but also losing their livelihood, and it is true of sydney powell and jenna ellis, they've got double trouble. >> and rudy giuliani spokesman

are pushing back and fighting this, we will see how it ends up, aaliyah williams and harry litman thank you very much. >> an exclusive one-on-one with president biden on the day he made what he said was a difficult decision, the weapon he is sending to ukraine that his former press secretary once said could potentially count as a war crime.

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nec in an exclusive interview, president biden is defending his decision to send cluster bombs to ukraine as part of an aid package, saying it was a difficult decision, they are lethal weapons that can scatter essentially dozens of smaller explosives over an area the size of up to several football fields, the so-called bomblets are supposed to go off as soon as the the ground but experts say up to a third of them usually don't talk kids have been often known to find them, mistaking them for toys, others turned into de facto landmines when go off when people stumble on them years later long after the conflict has ended. the dangers are so great from cluster bombs that they are banned by much of the world today, although as the white house highlighted, russia uses them with abandon certainly in ukraine, factoring into today's decision, ukraine gave written

assurances that they would minimize any risk from using these cluster bombs to civilians. president biden sat down with fareed zakaria to explain why he asked and explained why he change his mind. >> news today that the news is, the administration is going to provide cluster munitions to the ukrainians. these are weapons that 100 nations ban including some of our closest nato allies, when there was news of the russians might be using it, admittedly against civilians, your then press secretary said this might be constituting war crimes, what made you change your mind, and decide to give these weapons? >> two things, a very difficult decision on my part and by the way i discussed this with our allies and our friends on the hill, we are in a situation where ukraine continues to be brutally attacked across the board by munitions, these

cluster munitions that have rates that are very high, a danger to civilians, number 1, and number 2, ukrainians are running out of ammunition. the ammunition, they call them 155 millimeter weapons, this is a war relating to munitions. and running out of the ammunition, and we are low on it, so i finally did was i took the recommendation of the defense department to not permanently but allow for the transition period of more 155 weapons, the shells, for ukrainians to provide them with something that has a very low rate, 150, the least likely to be used, not used in civilian areas, they are trying to get through those trenches and stop the transfer -- tanks from

rolling. it was not an easy decision, we are not signatories of that agreement, but it took me a while to be convinced to do it. but the main thing is, they have the weapons to stop the russians now, keeping them from stopping the ukrainian offensive through these areas, or they don't, and i think they needed them. >> when you go to the nato summit, the big strategic issue is, that ukraine once membership in nato, should he get membership in nato? >> i don't think it is ready for membership in nato, but here's the deal, i spent as you know a great deal of time trying to hold nato together, because i believe that putin has had an overwhelming objective, 185,000 troops in ukraine, that was to break nato, confident in my view, he was confident that he could break nato, holding nato, unanimity

about whether or not, bringing ukraine, and the nato family, and this moment, and if we did that, and is a say we are committed to protecting nato territory that we've made, if the war is going on, we were at war with russia if that were the case, if the layout a rational path, for russia, or ukraine excuse me, and with nato, and with the very first time i met with putin in geneva, and i said i want commitments, and i said we are not going to do that, it's an open door

policy, we are not going to shut anybody out, nato is a process that takes time to meet the qualifications, from democratization to a whole range of other issues. for the meantime though, i've spoken with president zelenskyy, one of the things i've indicated is that the united states would be ready to provide, while the process was going on, and it is going to take a while, while it was going on, to provide security with the security we provide for israel, weaponry, and the capacity, if there is an agreement, if there is a cease- fire and a peace agreement, i think we can work it out but i think it is premature to call for a vote, now, because there are other qualifications, including democratization and similar issues. >> fareed zakaria joins me now.

i think what is the most obvious from that answer is that the u.s. knows that ukraine needs ammunition, they're running out and the u.s. doesn't have enough to give them. >> you have to remember, the u.s. was not planning on this military intervention in the sense of providing them a massive level of supply of weaponry, having to do with ukraine, the war is eating it up, what is happened is, we are running low on the kind of munitions that the ukrainians need, the united states is, the u.s. does have stockpiles of these cluster bombs, and president biden made a determination that it is more important that they not lose ground to the russians, that they are able to succeed or have a chance of success in the counteroffensive, and i think the point he makes is on balance correct, the greatest harm to civilians in the area would be if the russians win. as the russians have shown themselves, to be totally

indiscriminate, so what the ukrainians are trying to do is use the weapons to break up the russian positions, which are hardened, entrenches, and tanks, there is always a danger but again, we have to keep her eyes on the prize i suppose, which is if russia were to win the battle in any of these situations, is that better or worse for civilians? certainly for the last year what we have seen is it has been terrible for civilians, so the ukrainian government has every incentive to try to minimize any civilian casualties. >> the point that jake sullivan made, which is they're not going to be just using them willy-nilly, there people that they are using to protect, but despite that, president biden is facing pushback, from patrick leahy, and jeff merkley, who wrote the op-ed in the washington post tonight calling it a serious mista, and saying it would come at a unsupportable moral and

political price, the last thing we need is to risk the allies, and u.s. should be leading the effort to prohibit? >> if you listen to the answer again, i think it's clear is meant to be transitional device, for exactly the reason you said, and the munitions, to have enough supplies, but in the meantime, i'm going to guess, i six months gap or three month gap, is more important that ukraine not lose any of the key battles in this key period of a counteroffensive, and you know, it's a compromise, were is held. >> what was striking, as it getting ready for the nato summit, he saying that they don't think they are ready to join, fascinating interview. you can watch the entire interview that freed zakaria did with president biden, sunday morning, 10 am eastern,

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new reporting from the new york times tonight reporting that donald trump's former chiefs of staff, john kallie cart said in a sworn statement under the penalty of perjury that the ex-president once discussed having the irs and other agencies investigate 2 fbi officials involved in the fbi's russia pro, peter struck and lisa page, you often heard their names, you heard the names at rallies, he often goes up against them, they had text messages made public where they were critical of the former prison, peter struck is now suing the fbi, and it comes in reporting were kelly is telling

the times that before trump had a pattern of attempting to use his authority as president against those who have been critical of him. for more on this breaking story, elliott williams and harry litman, thank you for coming back. elliott, to get a fuller picture and remind people, given their of been so many things that have happened since then, peter and lisa page were working, lisa page was an attorney at the bureau, peter was working on the russian investigation, there were techs that were criticizing trump and made public, he is in a big lawsuit against them essentially for violating his privacy rights by releasing the text messages but also saying he was wrongfully terminated, now in this john kelly is given a sworn statement and i will read part of it, it says president trump questioned whether investigations by the irs or other federal agent sees should be undertaken into mr. struck or mrs. page, i don't

know about him ordering the litigation but it appeared to see that mistress truck and -- mr. struck and mrs. page investigative. >> let's step back and go to the underlying principle, and a healthy functioning democracy, there ought to be a divide between law enforcement and the president, this july 4 week, something the the framers wanted to establish, the president ought not be directing investigations into individual people, quite frankly that is why there are multiple special councils investigating former president trump and the conduct of former president biden run documents, you want to depoliticize it into individuals as much as possible. when i was at the justice department for joint meetings with the white house, if cases were going to come up, you would send the white house people out of the room, merely even asking the question of representing the idea he may

be, the iris are to investigate these people, is itself incredibly problematic, for frankly anybody in the white house little on a former president of the united states. >> and is not even any agency, it is illegal, after nixon left office congress made it illegal for any president to not just directly, directly or indirectly, order the iris or other agencies to investigate someone, so when you look at this, as part of this investigation, and part of this lawsuit that peter has now filed, what you make of this, in a sworn statement saying that this is something he had talked about and question whether or not this could happen? >> it is pretty difficult. >> any larger vendetta on his part, and something very important happened in this lawsuit, the judge said that trump himself has to be deposed,

the department of justice resisted and says not necessary, the judge said no no, and tilly's assertion is a big part of it, not just by the way about peter strzok and page, but the overall vendetta. trump is in all kinds of trouble, this is a civil suit where he has to be deposed, and we think about the criminal cases, but he's got at least three civil lawsuit problems, e. jean carroll and the new york ag, he will have to be deposed here, that's the order, he can try to take the fifth but it can be used against him in the lawsuit, and right now peter strzok, and page, a long time coming, he really vilified them, in nasty and vulgar ways and asked for the investigation, why? one reason only, because they

had criticized him in private text, that's what he wants the iris to be hounding them, that is chillingly nixonian. >> ironic that he is claiming he is under audit and why he can't releases taxes, elliott williams and harry litman, thank you for coming back on the story. a much lighter note, trump might be the fast food king but he was dumbfounded and he was a dairy queen, as people around him were ordering blizzards anywhere had one big question, we will tell you what that was next. ear ringing, and even hearing loss. never miss a moment with lipo flavonoid.

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the battle for the republican nomination is heating up in the hawkeye state, in a speech today in council bluffs iowa, former president trump took aim at his main rival, florida governor ron desantis, torching him for his lack of support of ethanol subsidies and tariffs on china. >> they would outsource every american farming job to a foreign country, that is what ron the sanctimonious wants to do. and i sided with the farmers in america. >> those comments, less than 24 hours after governor desantis accused the former president of being more interested of tearing him down the building republicans up. joining me to talk with us, but, resellers from south carolina, state rep, -- bakari

sellers. >> and geoff, former governor from the state of georgia, that was supposed to be the message today but for a lot of the speech, trump instead focused on his indictments making them more popular than his legal grievances, is he stepping on his message? figure the same old same old, 97% is either throwing shade, poking fingers and calling names is 3% is to try to suck up to the crowd and tell them whatever they want to hear, rinse and repeat. and one select -- election cycle after another, that's what we saw today.>> everybody is in iowa, mike pence is it is making the entire strategy making a really good showing, he asked republicans last night to think carefully about the right leadership if the gop wants to win back the white house, he does not name trump directly. >> these republicans are just too soft, everybody running

against donald trump, they are just soft, and ron desantis, he's not building it republicans, that is the only thing bullies understand, is taking the fight to every volkan, not sure that mike pence matters yet but none of them are fighting back, they are trying to take the higher ground, use the lines are my favorite first lady of all time, when they go low, we go high, but that doesn't work with donald trump. when donald trump goes low, you have to go just as low and equally lower, i know the fragility of democracy and decorum, mar lee taylor green and lorne boberg, but you can't beat donald trump by being soft and everybody look soft. >> how does that factor into what florida is doing now, requiring candidates to sign a loyalty pledge essentially like the ones that the republican national committee is. >> i can't think of a worse

idea if you wanted to be joe biden, you can invent the stuff, it is one misstep after another, i will take a different angle, you have to punch a bully in the nose but you have to provide a vision, re-centering republicans and americans in the middle back towards real problems we face today, there is a war raging in europe, an economy that teetering, inflation that is as sticky as ever, these are real problems, you have to punch in the nose, but if you get sucked into it every day, you get sucked into his game, he will be with that, we need to find a leader that wants to stand up, mike pence is the right message and wrong messenger, mike pence at four years to say what he wanted to today and he didn't do it. >> one thing the politicians try to do in iowa is try to look super relatable, i.e. local food and we see these unflattering photos, trump went to a dairy queen and his

campaign posted the video and he asked this question in the dairy.>> does anybody want a blizzard, what the hail is a blizzard? >> you are going into dairy queen and asking that? >> that is utterly disqualifying. >> he has to lose because of that. >> oreo blizzard. >> butterfinger blizzard. >> they are not bad but butterfinger blizzards are phenomenal, donald trump probably goes to mcdonald's and thinks the ice cream machine is actually working, it is a disconnect, iowa, let me say this, we give iowa a hard time, if donald trump wins the state of iowa, it is game set match, the race is over. >> do you think so? >> it is a giant step in that direction, it feels like the momentum could be there but i think republicans are going to wake up at some point, from this duper and do the right

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new momentum from unusual. on capitol hill, the study of psychedelic drugs, alexandria ocasio-cortez and texas republican dan crenshaw, the efforts are detailed in a new washington post piece, saying how aoc proposed a bill on researching psychedelics back in 2019 shortly after she come to capitol hill, the amendment failed on a 331-91 vote. she described it this way, sing a member of my own party, a senior member, walked up to me and said oh, is this your little shrooms bill? the senior democrat laughed in her face literally mark -- mocking it, now the bill is being taken much more seriously,

including an eclectic team of supporters like my next guest, tom rodgers, and advocate for psychedelics on capitol hill and a prominent supporter of native american causes, a ceremony he was given the name one who rides his horse east, we will call him tom, thank you for joining me use it is not about people having drug parties in their basement, for someone who is not familiar with psychedelics and the benefits, talk about how it is helpful in a mental health capacity?>> we suffer from massive mental trauma coming out of the pandemic, mental health is one of the primary issues confronting this nation. specifically confronting veterans. her we are finding out, not 19 suicides per day, but more the 40s, we are losing perhaps 44 veterans to suicide per day, and native american youth, teenagers, are second leading cause of death is suicide.

for teenagers. you are dealing with generational trauma of native americans and massive, massive ptsd, depression and anxiety, rain injuries, for veterans. people that we should be supporting at all costs. and so those two constituencies, i call them the tip of the spear, that is what we have to do, we have to have a coalition here, of compassion, in secret, we have to learn our lessons from the cannabis campaign, underway on the hill for years, and build a broad coalition of the far right, far left, native americans, veterans, capitalists, healers, scientists, it has to be guided by healing, and by scientific,

empirical research. this is not about -- >> you mentioned veterans, that's an important part of the message, one that resonates with everyone, especially on capitol hill, there's suicide rate is higher than the general public, so i wondered is a veteran community, are they helpful in pushing this forward? are you hopeful there

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special forces as a combat interpreter, for 10 years, the unsung heroes of the u.s. military. they go through a tremendous lot, they risk their lives every day and continue to stay in danger when their job is done, and they do it for very little pay, it is really a huge sacrifice that they make for us. but he was really committed to the mission, the u.s. mission, he loved the servicemembers that he served with, he was so proud of his service, and he was proud of the work that was being done for afghanistan, he wanted to see afghanistan be a place where people worked free and could be educated and not live in fear, that was why he did what he did, he was so proud to come to the united

states, he was relieved to come to the united states, and he didn't want anything except the opportunity to earn a living for his family, and give his children the opportunities that he didn't have, and that they would never be able to have, under the taliban and and to be successful and safe >> is kids are so young >> youngest 15 years old. have you talked to his family, how are they doing tonight? bigger they are being very strong and brave but they are really devastating, i've been in regular contact, his wife is heartbroken and stressed, the kids are being really brave, they are so sweet, they really tough but they love their dad so much, he was saying how much he loved his kids, he said my children are my life, he had a couple of opportunities to potentially leave afghanistan without them and send for them

later, and he denied the opportunity saying i could never live with without my children, everyone is devastated, the extended family is really devastated. >> he was also still supporting his family in afghanistan, please when you speak to his family give them our best and you said that they gofundme to help his family, we are showing it right now and we will share it online, support the family of the murdered afghan interpreter, thank you for doing that and thank you for joining us on this difficult subject. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you for joining us, cnn tonight with abby phillip starts right now. >> that is a horrible story, i hope people will go and support the gofundme account for his family, thank you. good evening to everyone tonight. is donald trump getting closer to another indictment? the former president has already been indicted twice fo