later, and he denied the opportunity saying i could never live with without my children, everyone is devastated, the extended family is really devastated. >> he was also still supporting his family in afghanistan, please when you speak to his family give them our best and you said that they gofundme to help his family, we are showing it right now and we will share it online, support the family of the murdered afghan interpreter, thank you for doing that and thank you for joining us on this difficult subject. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you for joining us, cnn tonight with abby phillip starts right now. >> that is a horrible story, i hope people will go and support the gofundme account for his family, thank you. good evening to everyone tonight. is donald trump getting closer to another indictment? the former president has already been indicted twice for

two separate alleged crimes, a hush money scheme and the classified document saga and now he is potentially facing another. special counsel jack smith, the investigation into the effort to overturn the election is clearly escalating this week. smith is focused on a chaotic shouting match that you might remember unfolded at the whi house six weeks after the election. that is were the baseless ideas we floated to lock president biden's victory including marshall all and seizing voting machines. here are some of those in attendance at the meeting in their own words. >> i walked in, i saw general flynn, and sidney powell sitting there, i was not happy to see the people in the oval office.>> doing what? >> first of all, the over start person, i never knew this guy was, the first thing i did, i

walked in and looked at him and said you are you? and he told me, i don't think any of these people were providing the president was good advice, the three of them were really sort of forcefully attacking me, verbally, and eric, and we are pushing back and asking one simple question, as a general matter, where is the evidence? >> if it had been me sitting in his chair, i would've had them escorted out of the building. >> it got to the point where the screaming was completely out there, you got people walking, late at night, and what they were proposing i thought was nuts. >> categorically describing it

as you guys are not tough enough. and putting another way you are a bunch of -- excuse the expression but i am almost certain the word was used.>> beyond that meeting, more signs of the investigation, nearing a climax, arizona has become the focus of the coup efforts, secretary of state's office in several officials confirming subpoenas, georgia still in focus, we recently learned that jack smith compelled of these two fake electors to testify in return for some immunity and unlikely documents case, this one is much more complicated and wide-ranging, many key questions are unanswered including many of these actions, and the proposed ideas against the law. joined me now, and joseph, from what we know, is there a chance

that the ideas raised in the oval office discussion would rise to the level of a crime, and if so what would they be? >> abby, good to be with you. it's interesting, and mix of lawyers and nonlawyers at the meeting, off the bat you have a problem with privilege and keeping it confidential, you can have strategy sessions with lawyers and spit ball ideas, talk about the past and developing a defense but what you can't do is potentially talk about future crimes, it can be a strategy session for doing wrong in the future, and having lawyers there does not protect it and make it privileged, what it sounds like is the special counsel is digging into whether there were potential crimes effectively being plotted at the meeting, whether you call it seditious conspiracy or something similar, it's basically, were there plans to instigate violence, to

rile them up to the extent that the election result would not be accepted and that people would basically lead to violence in trying to stop congress from signing off in the electoral college vote. >> our sources are telling us that the special counsel has been asking witnesses about this meeting for months, in the past and also again more recently, what does that tell you about how investigators are looking at this and also, where they are even in the investigation? >> tells me that there probably close to the end of the investigation, this is such a touchy subject, they must realize they are going to get a lot of blowback and have to tread carefully, which makes me think that they are close to the end, and knowing the blowback it would bring, what their trying to say is we will give that group of people some leeway, they could've taken a

few weeks after the election in good faith, to look into whatever theories they thought they may have, by the point in the meeting, he was so clear like what pat cipollone said, where's the evidence, if they are just throwing her own ideas about how to be tough, knowing there was no evidence to substantiate their arguments, that is a pretty damning thing i could see why the special counsel would want to dig into that. >> the heart of so much of this is rudy giuliani, former new york city mayor and an attorney for former president donald trump, one of the witnesses interviewed recently, also today, a disciplinary committee is recommending he be disbarred r his 2020 election lies, claiming massive election fraud and no evidence, by prosecuting that destructive case, rudy giuliani forfeited his right to practice law, he should be

disbarred, the recommendation is not final but do you think it is fair?>> we lawyers, everyone likes to hit on lawyers until they need one, the fact is we are given a lot of leeway, as officers of the court, we are given leave to make good faith mistakes, wrong on the law or the facts but what we can do, is we can't make arguments that have no evidentiary support, that is basically what the panel said, rudy giuliani resting on his long reputation as a political figure made these very ambitious claims that the pennsylvania findings of the election in 2020 should be disregarded, and there was no evidence to support those claims, i don't know if people would eventually be disbarred but certainly there is significant evidence the panel found that what he did was not just wrong, it was so wrong

that is licensed to practice law going forward should be revoked. >> perhaps he knew the time because he was told by people around him it was wrong as well, joseph, thank you for all of that here >> thank you abby. >> on the campaign trail, the war of words escalates between his rival, the former president bragging about his strong poll numbers even the wake of one federal indictment and possibly one more coming. >> that's why my poles go up. i'm the only person who ever got indicted who became more popular,>> our enemies want to stop us because we are the only ones that can stop them, we can stop them. >> they want to take away my freedom, i will never take away the freedom. >> if you look at the people at the corporate media, who are they going after, who do they not want to be the nominee, going after me, i'm running to

win in january and february, i'm not running to just pulling now. >> doing now by the former republican congressman, mark sanford, thank you for joining us. >> pleasure. >> trump continues, as is probably not surprising, casting himself as a victim of doj overreach, indictments do seem to be helping him right now in the polls but my question is why won't his republican opponents uses legal peril to make a case against him? >> they want his base, trying to tiptoe their way through this thing but there comes at great peril, the exact same thing we saw in the last election cycle, nobody wanted to hit him that hard because they figured he would die off and he ended up being the last guy standing, ted cruz the very end would turn on him,

befriending him all the way through, a dangerous game, but i get it, with they don't want to do is alienate trump space, they're trying to keep quiet and tiptoeing but i think it is a mistake, the author hit hard, they got a lot of material to work with, facts are real things and there are scary facts and scary indictments out there that ought to be talked about in the presidential cycle in the republican side, we will see what happens but the simple answer is they want his people. >> you heard there earlier, ron desantis saying he's not wanting to juice the polls right now but before he got into the race, he was supposed to be the candidate that would give trump the biggest fight, are you surprised by his poor performance so far? >> it is early in the game, i'm not going to describe it as a poor performance, everybody is sort of lining up behind the

scenes raising money and building teams and all the sort of apparatus if you will that goes with politics. what i would say is, everybody has to manage the game of expectations and the game of expectations tragically, because i'm not a trump fan, has accrued to trump's in effect, to indictments yet the numbers are still rising and the game of expectations with regard to ron desantis has not worked out so well. i think one of the dangers that he's playing right now is trying to be trump on steroids with regard to certain social issues. i think there are deep problems in this country with regards to debt that is mounting, government spending and inflation, is stored bed rocks of what republicans used to be about what they're not getting talked about, other candidates are not talking about it, if that comes back to the forefront rather than who is winning the popular contest of the moment, i think his numbers

would grow, but we will see what happens.>> meanwhile the florida gop is asking primary candidates to sign a loyalty pledge to appear on the ballot in the state, very similar to what the rnc is doing when it comes to the debate stages, and using the loyalty pledges should be part of the primary? >> no. again, i believe in the world of ideas, there ought to be a robust competition on the democratic side and republican side, this is what we stand for this is what we believe, inasmuch as you have a standardbearer, at odds with those beliefs, as a candidate you ought to be free to say i'm sitting this out, in this case the standardbearer is not consistent with the ideals that supposedly we believe in as republicans or democrats. i don't think it's a good idea but it is a way of boxing

people and, and something we have seen through the years, particularly strong lately, and sort of the trump era but it has been around for a while. >> i want to ask you about the house freedom caucus, voting to remove marjorie taylor greene from their ranks. this is what one of the members told cnn, which is that the confrontation between congresswoman lauren vilbert and marjorie taylor greene, was the last stand. boebert. you are part of that in the congress, what is your response to their decision to take that extraordinary step? >> i applaud them, she has been far out crazy for long time, i don't know what would take somebody calling you name on the house floor, i would say i am disappointed with what the freedom caucus has become, i really started as a group of

folks to steer the conference a little bit to the right, that happened to be our perspective on economic issues particularly, but that just became a trump lapdog to hang onto her be close to power, with glee, they would hope the phone and say we got the president united states but the reason why just in a mosh left, -- justin amash left, it's adrift, i don't know what it is about these days, maybe it will come back around but the fact that it was the last straw, it is aced draw that should have gone a long time ago, talk about all kinds of crazy conspiracies that i think are harmful to republican ideals, i don't know what republican ideals are anymore, but conservative ideals we should be about an frankly the democratic process. >> it's interesting with this

took, and in addition, probably her closeness to the house speaker kevin mccarthy, rubbing some colleagues the wrong way, mark sanford, thank you very much. >> yes ma'am. take care. >> next a major inflection point by the u.s. in wartime. reports of illegal cluster bombs being used by russians. >> if that was true, it would potentially be a war crime. >> it was a difficult decision, the ukrainians are running out of ammunition. >> a former defense secretary on president biden's decision to send cluster bombs to ukraine. a movie star that promotes q and on the conspiracies, his film just hit number 1 at the box office, stay with us. that's my boy. now you get out there, and you make us proud, huh? ♪

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which has no place on the battlefield, that includes cluster munitions and vacuum bombs, which are banned under the geneva convention. >> there are reports of illegal cluster bombs and vacuum bombs being used by russia, if that's true, what is the next up of the administration, and is there a redline for how much violence will be tolerated against civilians in this manner that is illegal and potentially a war crime? bigger it would be, i don't have confirmation of that, we have seen reports, if that were true, it would potentially be a war crime. >> 2 democratic senators are calling the move a serious mistake, in a washington post op-ed, warning it could compound the deadly impact of the war for years. but president biden, defending his decision and exclusive interview with cnn's fareed zakaria. >> two things, it was a very

difficult decision on my part, i discussed it with our allies and our friends on the hill, we are in a situation where ukraine continues to be brutally attacked across the board by munitions and these cluster munitions that have rates that are very high, a danger to civilians. number 1. number 2, the ukrainians are running out of ammunition. the ammunition, they call them 155 millimeter weapons, this is a war related to munitions. and they are running out of the ammunition, and we are low on it. so what i finally did was i took the recommendation of the defense department, to not permanently but allow for this transition period, when we have more 155 weapons, amid the shells to provide the ukrainians with something that has a very low rate, i believe

it is 150, the least likely, and it is not used in civilian areas, they are trying to get through trenches and stop the tanks from rolling, it was not an easy decision, and we are not signatories to that agreement but it took me a while to be convinced to do it. >> i'm joined by the former secretary of defense william cohen, secretary, you heard there would president biden said, that this was not an easy decision, they deliberated over it for some time, but with ukraine waging this tough offensive, going slowly, more slowly than most people expected, is the administration making the right call in your view? >> i think the president has said it just right, a tough decision on his part but the right one, we have a situation where russia has attacked a sovereign independent country and has put them in the

crosshairs of destruction, so president biden and our nato allies have said this should not stand, we need to provide whatever we can reasonably to the ukrainians to help them help themselves defend against the russians. so i think under the circumstances the president felt because this is going, the counteroffensive, going slower than we had anticipated and sloped, because of the trenches and the landmines, this is a munition that can help overcome that, and this is the reason why he has approved it. >> the other part of it, as you heard the president say, the united states is low on the munitions they have been providing to ukraine, the stockpiles now in the united states are low. is this a sign that this war in ukraine is consuming the united states military resources at an unsustainable rate? bigger it is consuming our resources, whether we can sustain it for any period of time it is hard to say at this

point, the president and our nato allies have said we are in this for the long haul, in the meantime we are trying to accelerate the production of more 155 emissions. this stockpile we have of the cluster munitions is a result, we phase them out i think in 2016, so we have a large stockpile of them, those will be used in the interim until our manufacturers can really accelerate the production of the conventional munitions as opposed to the cluster. >> you have a really unique view on this, in 2001 you instituted a policy requiring the united states to have those munitions have a less than 1% dud rate, which means the parts that don't explode when is deployed. what does it mean, for the safety of the weapons for the rate to be as low as it is, for the u.s. provided weapons to ukraine?

>> we have really delved into this, leadership to get the dud rate from 20% historically, as far as were to, but over the years we use them and desert storm for example and use them since, but to get the dud rate down below 20%, to between 1-2, i don't think any country has been able to do that, the russians dud rate is 30%, they have no concern about killing civilians, in fact they are firing munitions into civilian areas as opposed to what ukrainians want to do is to use the munitions against the russian soldiers in the field, not civilian areas, so they are not comparable in terms of what ukraine was to do and what russia has been doing. >> we were unfortunately witnesses to exactly what you talked about early in the war, seeing the bombs exploding in urban areas and towns and in ukraine, former secretary william cohen, thank you for

that perspective. >> thank you, great to be with you. a new movie, sound of freedom, if riller about the battle against international child sex trafficking, but critics accused the film and the star of catering to qanon conspiracy theorists, we will talk about that next.

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a surprise movie battling indiana jones for top spot at the box office, starring a qanon promoter, based on the life of the real life former homeland security agent who staged sting operations to catch child sex traffickers, but the film and its star are raising eyebrows amongst critics, some say it bends the truth about child exportation and caters to qanon conspiracy theorist, the distributor, angel studios, denies the accusations, jim caviezel is also known for embracing qanon theories. i want to bring in a journalist and author of the storm is upon

us, mike rothschild, the star of this film, jim caviezel, is coming under a lot of scrutiny for his embrace of qanon conspiracy theories, you seem pretty familiar with them, he doesn't really hide his association with this real wild plot, that involves drinking the blood of children and things like that. >> know he doesn't hide his all, a lot of people who are in this world of qanon who say they don't know that his name never heard of it, just as in questions, with somebody like jim caviezel, he is openly embracing it, openly using the catchphrases and concepts, speaking at qanon conventions and the film is being marketed to either specific qanon believers or people who believe all the same tenets as qanon but claimed not know what is. >> the sound of freedom does focus on a real issue of sex trafficking, but the theme,

it's like the kernel of truth that feeds the qanon conspiracy theory. tell us how those two things work together? >> sure, the most durable and most believable is percy theories are not entirely false, there's something in them that is true and the rest is false but the believers point to the one true thing and say you don't believe this particular thing is true but in terms of child trafficking, we know trafficking is real, it has real victims and nobody is denying that, but the films are created out of moral panic and bogus statistics, out of fear and was something like the sound of freedom, specifically looking at qanon concepts, these child trafficking rings run by the high-level elites and only people like tim ballard and jim caviezel and by extension, only people like the ticket buyer can help bring them down, there is a very participatory element, you're not just killing two hours on a hot day, you are helping to

bring down the pedophile rings and save children, it is not true but it is a comforting and warm feeling to have. figure in fact some ticket sales have come from the crowdfunding of tickets, people can actually buy tickets for other people to send them to see the movie and the other part of it is that it is fueling at the box office success, is being spread, even in socially conservative circles, even donald trump this week tweeted about this film, does it surprise you that this has kind of penetrated into hollywood in such a real way? >> know it doesn't surprise me at all, the faith-based market is enormous, the market for conspiracy theory materials, books or podcasts, merchandise or films like this is enormous. these people have disposable income and they put their money where their mouth is, they feel like they are sticking it to the hollywood elite, ironically

by helping to prop up theaters at a time when the theater industry is struggling to bring people back, this huge group of people buying tickets for strangers who probably are not even going to the movie, in one sense you feel like hollywood should think these people but there is a feeling of pulling on the same room together, trying to fight back together. and these people want to be seen and represented, buying tickets for themselves or their church group or complete strangers, a way to push back against the horrors that they think are affecting the whole world. >> is really fascinating an example of the film, we should be clear, it is about child sex trafficking, but the associations with the conspiracies that make it such a fascinating story, thank you so much for joining me on this mike, appreciate it. >> thank you. five years after the deadly mass shooting in parkland florida, the families of

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for the first time this week, parents of those killed in the parking school shooting were allowed to enter that building, which remains untouched after five years, it is one of the deadliest high school shootings in history. and the building is open after the trial of the school resource officer, not all parents decided to go of course but my next guest did. max tractor and linda biegel shulman lost their children, max and linda join me now. thank you for joining me. linda, i want to start with you, your son scott, was the

teacher at the school, he died while saving 31 students for gun man, i wonder if you made the visit and when you did, what did you see and what emotions did bring up for you?>> thank you for having me, abby. when we drove up to the school i remember saying to my husband that i had such trepidations even going into the school, the less time we were there, 5+ years ago when we went, the trepidations were different, hoping and knowing in my heart that scott was alive and probably the hospital somewhere but he was alive and this time going with the trepidation, they were so wildly different because i knew i was going and he was not alive, and he was dead and i was going to go and see where he took his last breath. when we walked in the school, i walked in and it was exactly like they say, everything was

left as it was in the day, even though i had seen the video of what had transpired, february 14, 2018, it was just devastating walking in, it was like the difference of zooming with somebody and seeing it in person, i thought i was prepared, they took us in from the first steps where the murderer walked into the school, and he went meticulously through the first floor looking at the windows and the doors being shut out and seeing the glass on the floor and the bullet holes in the classrooms, he explained who was shot and the next person and who is injured, we went slowly but we went through the first floor and into the second floor and in the third floor, it was really important for me, i wanted to see where my son took his last breath and i wanted to understand what i'd seen on the video, where the shooter was

walking up the steps 5 feet away from scott and actually shooting him six times within three seconds from 5 feet away and i can see where the shooter was and where scott was, i could understand where he was standing and how he was holding the door and how he got shot and going to the classroom, and see where his blood was on the floor, and where he laid down dead, and go into his classroom and see all the papers, it was valentine's day, valentines on the floor and candy on the desk, and seeing scott's computer, teachers know they have to keep their computers halfway open and shut so that no matter what, when they are away from the desk, the desk in the scene in the walls and a paper that one of the students had handed in, one of the students who had written letters to us right after the murder at marjorie

stoneman douglas and putting the face in the letter and everything together, i was really quite devastating. >> i can't even imagine, for you max, you also lost your son alex in this massacre, you said just like linda said, in the room where your son took his last breath, what did you end up deciding to do when you went to the school?>> i went in there, just like linda did, and i wanted to go in alex's classroom and sit in the chair that alex took his last breath and and was murdered in, it was unbelievable, i am on the safety commission, i know everything that happened, but still for me, you've done a lot of coverage on the ukraine war, that's what it looked like in that school, it looks like a

war zone, where a mass murderer had hunted down and killed children and staff, and it was grotesque. there was blood everywhere, i was just not prepared for that. >> max and linda, you all, as a parent, i can't imagine the courage that it took to do what you did, my heart really goes out to you and your whole families tonight, as i'm sure you continue to grieve your loved ones, thank you for joining me, max and linda. >> thank you.>> thank you. coming up next, a preview of cnn's sunday program, the whole story, wired for trouble, school districts and parents are suing tech giants alleging that social media is contributing to a mental health crisis amongst america's youth. ♪

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the u.s. surgeon general recently issued a warning that social media carries what he calls a profound risk of harm to the mental health and well- being of children and adolescents. several school districts have filed suit against the tech giants, alleging they are contributing to a mental health crisis amongst youth, and hundreds of families are now suing, including a connecticut woman named tammy rodriguez, a mother to selena, and we spoke for cnn's new show, the full story with anderson cooper, here's a little peek.>> reporter: what tammy did not know the time was that selena had figured out how to block her mother from seeing her online

life. >> she had saved her fingerprint and i didn't know she had saved in my phone, if i fell asleep or whatever, she would use her fingerprint to get in and change the setting. figure once the pandemic had started, she was posting more, she became more reclusive, focusing on how many like she hasn't how many followers, how many followers -- followers she's losing. >> during the pandemic when the school and social life moved online, she was regularly messaging with people on the apps, some she knew and some she did not. >> there were adults that would reach out, which i was not aware of until not too long ago. men, they knew she was a minor. >> audie cornish joins me, you been speaking with the families and getting a sense of really

what the battle is like, really almost like a david and goliath kind of situation, huge tech companies and individual families struggling with the technology, i'm sure some of them don't fully understand, affix their children's lives. >> laws not exactly a maasai, section 230 of the communication decent the ads, saying online companies can be held responsible, they are third-party publishers, but if you decide that a social media company has helped draw your child into the world of eating disorders for tenants, you can't necessarily be guaranteed you will get a hearing along the courts and the courts, the courts did not want to mess with section 230 and that leaves the families in the midst of the lawsuits which there still pushing, but more so the public campaign to raise awareness and bring pressure on companies.

>> what is your sense of how much social media companies recognize their role in creating algorithms that suck these young children in quick >> people now have a understanding of of rhythms in general, the recommendation engines are drawing information based on what you engage with to push it more on you, if you get into things that are harmful to yourself or others, is going to feed you more of that, a real concern going into the world of ai, tiktok is shown how profitable it can be. >> probably better at it than anyone else in the game. >> the guardrails and parental supports have not kept up, not to create a moral panic, we have learned lessons over the last couple of years, the favors a few use goes a good example, it's not clear yet if we will see the guardrails built in or

any sort of self policing from the industry itself. >> school districts in addition to parents are struggling with this, thinking back to my childhood, i don't think that a cell phone until the beginning of high school, now kids have phones at such a young age, elementary school age and parents feel like you have to give your today phone for safety and keep in touch with them but schools are struggling with how much social media is part of the day-to-day life of the kids there teaching. >> exactly, in the age of school shootings, a post pandemic social media and apps were dealt into the learning process itself, so people could enable remote work, the role it took in the lives of teenagers grew i think, and some of them are reacting to that, you see a disconnect backlash and kids talking about wanting to be on the apps, little bit less. but their brains are not exactly wired to do that right

now. this is what researchers are looking to, whether or not social media can become an addiction so to speak, if it does, maybe it has implications going forward. >> kids know there's a problem but a lot of the conditions, you can always pull yourself out of it, kids are probably the least equipped to do that, making it so difficult for them and their families to handle. i can't wait to watch this full hour on sunday night. you can tune into a whole new episode of the whole story with anderson cooper, one whole story in one hour, sunday 8 pm eastern time and pacific, only here on cnn, thank you for joining us. coming up next, donald trump get stumped at a campaign trail stop in iowa, see what happens when we come back. 's designed to target and remove them and helps prevent asthma attacks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions.

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so before we go, donald trump's love of fast food is pretty well known. >> we have pizzas. we have 300 hamburgers, many, many french fries, all of our favorite foods. a fish delight sometimes, right? the big macs are great. the quarter pounder with cheese. it's great stuff. >> in case you didn't know, in that first part of the video, that was inside the white house. so it was very interesting when today in iowa, trump seemed to have been caught off guard during a stop at dairy queen. >> everybody wants a blizzard. what the hell is a blizzard? take care of some people, okay?

will you take care of them for me? we'll do the blizzard thing, all right? >> alisyn is here with me. i guess to be fair, not a whole lot of dairy queens in new york probably. but if you've ever done a road trip, as i have, across the country, including through the midwest, you cannot not know what a blizzard is. am i right? >> what the hell is a blizzard? it's delicious. that's what a blizzard is. that's all you need to know. it's delicious. but there are a ton in new jersey. i'm surprised that he's not up on his blizzard knowledge. >> yeah. trump -- he literally knows the mcdonald's menu like the back of his hand. but i guess, you know, ice cream is not really his thing. he's more of like a burger and fries kind of guy. >> this is dairy queen. maybe he's just that committed to mcdonald's. >> yeah, i think so. i also think it's funny -- so two things. some reporters need to check back to see if blizzards were actually purchased for peopl