sexually abusing athletes in his car. larry nassar was stabbed twice in the neck, in the back, and chest. he will spend the rest of his life in prison. he has been serving a 60 year sentence for federal child pornography sentences. a judge sentencing him to 175 years after 150 women and girls testified in court under oath that he sexually abused them over decades. the revelations about nassar's abuse sparked outrage. star gymnasts, including simone biles, aly raisman, blasting the justice department. thank you for joining us tonight. ac 360 begins right now. tonight on 360, a cnn exclusive, what life is like inside of vladimir putin's secret armored train, and why he's been taking it more and more since invading ukraine. the former president and his valet, are they trying to run out the clock in the classified

documents case. what special counsel jack smith did about it today. also tonight, record rain and floods in the northeast, we'll tell you who's about to get hit next. good evening, vladimir putin may be one of the most secretive russian leaders since joseph stalin. tonight, we're taking you inside his secret armored train. this on a day that russia and the war in ukraine is very much in the news. president biden has arrived in lithuania for the nato summit when the u.s. and allies will discuss efforts to obtain vladimir putin's aggression. as for biden, we'll be meeting with ukraine's president zelenskyy whose attendance had been in question until late today. both expected to be on the agenda and top the agenda. also today. turkey dropped objections to sweden becoming a member, and stockholm in turn appears to be supporting turkish membership in the european union. according to turkey's state run news agency. >> complete the succession to

nato is a historic step that benefits the security of all nato allies at this critical time. it makes us all stronger and safer. >> on russia, of course, there was the stunning claim by the kremlin's top spokesperson that vladimir putin met with yevgeny prigozhin five days after the wagner mercenary boss led an armed insurrection, overran a major city, shot down aircraft and began marching toward moscow. that claim notwithstanding, we have not seen prigozhin in public since the 24th last month. we're going to talk about all of this with the former cia chief of russia operations, the lifting the veil on vladimir putin's secret train. cnn's matthew chance did the reporting and joins us from london. this is really fascinating. what have you learned? >> reporter: remarkably little is known about vladimir putin's private life or about how he travels around his vast country, which makes this incredible trove of photographs and documents that was gathered by the dossier, which is a russian

investigative group and shared with cnn all the more fascinating with the revelations it brings out about that train, and about how vladimir putin is treated behind closed doors. >> a rare glimpse inside putin's secret train, with leaked documents showing to cnn. how the kremlin leader travels amid increasingly tight security and luxury. >> he's surrounded by enemies, and psychologically, he wants to feel protected. >> reporter: from outside, train number one seems ordinary its heavily armored carriages perfectly disguised with russian

paint work and grime. state media was once allowed inside, recording president putin, meeting transport officials in a sump yous board room, the other carriages updated as recently as last year have remained a closely guarded secret until now. sir con service is a russian company that builds what it calls elite wagons for its clients, specializing in luxury designs for private or state corporations, of course the kremlin. among a trove of documents, including blueprints, letters and image, obtained exclusively by the russian investigative dossier center and shared with cnn is one from zircon service daylight dated august of 2018, noting a test run for the sport's health run that's been ordered. accompanying photos show what the dossier says is putin's private gym on board the train.

as recently as last year, the kremlin was looking to upgrade the gym with american equipment to replace the italian machines originally installed. the former member of putin's personal protection service who says he fitted the train's secure communications equipment before defecting from russia told the dossier center, the kremlin leaders started traveling by train more regularly in the build up to the invasion of ukraine last year. but discretion for the russian president doesn't mean discomfort. leaked plans for the train also show a luxurious spa on board,

including a turkish steam beth and according to the dossier center, a fully equipped cosmetology suite with a massage table and high end beauty equipment. the kremlin disputes findings, telling cnn that president putin neither owns or uses a railway car like the one described but in the after math of a recent armed rebellion in russia in which putin's authority was threatened, the focus on his isolated existence is higher than ever. and the idea of putin being pampered as he traveled incognito by armored train underlines how strangely cloistered the kremlin leader has become, according to his former speech writer. why is it that you think that vladimir putin and the kremlin have spent such large sums of

money, planning and constructing this armored presidential train? >> he's getting more and more enemies, committing more and more crimes. armor, the physical defense. >> reporter: there are signs that's an image the kremlin knows it should shape. recent weeks have seen putin more publicly engaged than he has been for years. but in his increasingly hostile world, the security and luxury of train number one may be sanctuary indeed. >> matthew, i mean, is he, you think, more concerned about threats from outside russia or from inside russia itself? >> i think it's almost certainly from inside russia. that seems to be what most

observers would have said is true about putin. remember, the critics have been jailed, poisoned, imprisoned. opposition has been neutralized. putin is right to be concerned about the threat from within his country. just a couple of weeks ago, there was an armed uprising, of course, in russia. and i suppose the ironic thing is that the more cloistered the russian president becomes, the more cut off he is from the rest of the country, the greater those threats become. so he's in an increasingly difficult situation, anderson. >> yeah, matthew chance, i appreciate that perspective on that, on the prigozhin mystery in today's nato news from former chief of russia operations and the cia, cnn military analyst, general mark hurdling. when you hear that prigozhin met with vladimir putin, again, this

is from the kremlin spokesperson. this is from peskov, so take it with a grain of salt, but and even the top leadership, the top generals of the wagner group, does that surprise you? >> you know, anderson, we've got to consider the fact that we have focused on prigozhin as part of the operations in ukraine over the last several months, and he has headlined that operation, but he's head of a worldwide global private military company. they are in several continents, attacking in several countries syria, the middle east, in africa. so mr. putin can't afford to lose this guy. you would think that he would immediately have been put in jail because of the uprising in ukraine and in russia, but truthfully, he had such charisma, and such sway over a large percent of forces that's helping the russian government in various countries that he couldn't afford to be cashier.

so i think this is meeting, again, i don't have any classified intelligence, but i'm sure this meeting was an attempt to get him back on board while his forces, the wagner group are being disbursed and, in fact, sort of broken up, being told, hey, they've got to join the russian military or get away from the wagner group so there is confusion within that force. >> steve, it was june 24th that putin called the leaders of the rebellion, which would include prigozhin traitors on television. now the spokesperson is saying fo five days later he met with prigozhin and on russian state television, they're putting out all of this video on the raids on prigozhin's property. looking at his wigs, money, and all the guns he has, which i assume comes with the kremlin stamp of approval for all of that video to be out there, then to be sort of -- trying to tear him down as a populist. how do you read all of this?

>> so, anderson, i think the best way to read it is perhaps looking at the target audiences for these individual activities. it really doesn't matter whether or not this ridiculous meeting happened or not. by the way, we don't have information except from mr. peskov, who is known for not stating the truth. but it doesn't matter. it's the message putin and the kre kremlin want to get out. there's great concern that the kremlin and putin himself, that prigozhin might have gotten a grip or found a niche for himself inside the russian population. remember the themes he was talking about, my boys are being killed, don't have enough guns and ammo, regardless of the fact that he was using them as fodder. that's something the russian people care about. we saw that two decades ago in the chechnyaen situation was going down, and the mothers of those killed started to protest in the streets and it was a serious problem. they have to do something about that. what they do is say, look, putin was basically acting as dad

between the ministry of defense and prigozhin, and it's all going to be okay because now he's in control. that doesn't mean his elite isn't watching this carefully. what have they learned? they have learned you can basically have a military attack almost on moscow and get away with it, and not get immediately killed indeed, if it's true, get a meeting with putin. i think it depends on which audience you're looking at to see which message you're going to get. >> on the military front, turkey dropped its objection to sweden joining nato. what wdo they bring? >> it's one of the strongest forces. their arm is about 24,000, they have a reserve of 24,000. a very good air force, over 300 ships in their navy. they have a great camabpability patrolling and monitoring the northern oceans that lead in and

out of northern russian. very operationally savvy. the fact that they have remained independent in the history of nato, and suddenly they want to become members, and they are joining, it shows how mr. putin's political objectives of dividing nato have fallen apart along with his other military and political objectives. it's a very good sign. sweden and finland, both joining nato. there's nothing better. >> general hurtling, appreciate it, steve hall, thank you. breaking news in the documents case. the former president's legal team joining in as a move by his codefendant, walt nauta and the special counsel's response to it. and flooding in the northeast where the damage and suffering is already severe. anderson cooper 360 brought toto you by car gurus, shop, bu or sell your car online. get it with gurus.

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that everybody appears to be coalescing around is the 18th, which is next tuesday. so it's just a slight delay. but it is something that i think is emerging as a theme that the special counsel team is already flagging as an ongoing issue. i'll read you a part of what they say to the filing with the judge. they say an indefinite continuance is unnecessary, and will inject additional delay in this case, and is contrary to the public interests. they're flagging the idea that, you know, small delays like this will add up to longer delays. the special counsel already indicated that they want a speedy trial. they believe it's in the public interest to have a speedy trial. of course we know, anderson, that donald trump and his codef codefendant walt nauta appeared to not want that. the former president is of course running for office again, and it appears that his strategy is one we've seen before, which is to delay, delay, delay. and perhaps delay beyond the

2024 election. the special counsel already calling that ouct. so we'll see whether the judge signs off on the date to discuss classified matters next tuesday, anderson. >> what do we know about the deadline regarding the special counsel's proposal that the trial begin in mid december. >> they will a deadline until midnight tonight for the trump team to say exactly what they're thinking as far as a trial date. keep in mind, anderson, under the law, you know, it's the definite that has the right to a speedy trial. it's their right to invoke a speedy trial, and so the special counsel, the government doesn't have that same power, and what we're expecting is, you know, what we're seeing before, from the trump team, which is they're going to ask for a further delay of this. we expect they're going to litigate a lot of the issues, including the classified documents that are at may play , anderson. the special counsel has proposed a trial date of december, and so we'll see what the trump team

proposes, and as i said, you know, they've shown already that they want to delay this as far as they can. anderson. >> evan perez, appreciate it. the man who wants to beat the former president, and is suffering in the polls. >> you have done a great job pushing back against woke, we know that. i'm wondering what's going on with your campaign. there was a lot of optimism about you running for president earlier in the year, but here's this weekend's headline from the politico play book. failure to launch, florida governor ron desantis's campaign to topple donald trump has stalled. we are way behind says a top desantis pac official, sounding the alarm. what happened? >> maria, these are narratives. the media does not want me to be the nominee. i think that's very very clear. why? because they know i'll beat biden, but even more importantly, they know i will actually deliver on all of these

things. it's pretty clear that the media does not want me to be the candidate. >> it's the media's fault. to be clear, the governor almost exclusively appears on friendly conservative outlooks and even there, you can see, he doesn't seem happy with the questions. as for his claim it's the media who don't want him to defeat donald trump, it's a plurality of republican voters who don't. the most recent cnn polling shows him trailing the former president by 21 points. joining us van jones and former republican congressman, adam kinzinger. congressman, can you try to explain how exactly the media, much of which he does not speak to is to blame for governor desantis's struggling candidacy among republican voters? >> anderson, the one thing we have learned. we've learned it from donald trump and everybody else is never ever, this is like the new, not the buck stops here, but never ever accept blame for anything. it's always like perry, defend,

push auchoff and the media is a easy target. he only appears on fox news and friendly media. he doesn't come on cnn, but somehow it's the media's fault. i'll tell you the truth, it's ron desantis's fault, and he maze made a decision, i think this is largely the issue, he made a decision early on that he was going to try to be a younger version of donald trump. tactically it's probably not a bad decision to make, except that donald trump is running again, and nobody can out trump donald trump, and so it was a bad tactical decision, and i think he's waiting and hoping that donald trump is indicted and, you know, indicted again or he's convicted and people sit back and say, okay, well, who's the new trump, and in that case he's going to be able to come into the field. it's not going to work that way. >> logically, i guess he's referring to what he would call the left wing media, anybody who he's not actually speak to go, so he's saying that the left wing media is influencing republican voters not to vote for him.

>> look, it's kind of sad. i mean, he -- to the contrary, the establishment media was jumping up and down, i mean, way before he even launched. breathless, maybe it won't be trump. maybe it will be desantis. i thought that was kind of weird, since i thought desantis was worse than trump. he got the biggest build up, the biggest support. it was desantis mania for months and months, he launches his campaign, and it's a little, he got more support from the mainstream media than any republican has gotten, he just couldn't convert. you're exactly right, anderson, who in the republican base is listening to mainstream media in the first place. he's getting killed by his own people because his strategy is dumb. he tried to run to the right of donald trump when there's a big space to the moderate center, ran away from his natural constituency, and now he's failing, and saying maybe i should change, he just wants to

cry about it. >> it sounds like that strategy may be changing a little bit. according to the "wall street journal," desantis is planning to do interviews around a series of policy proposals he's laying out in the coming weeks. is that an acknowledgment that what he has been doing so far isn't working. they're sending his wife out solo on the campaign trails because i guess among voters, she has shown some traction? >> yeah, it's probably an acknowledgment that he'll never acknowledge. probably tactically he shouldn't, but it's also, you know, nobody's ever at fault except for, everybody's at fault, except for him. i think it would be actually good for the debate if he pivots to the issue. people want to know where he stands. when he signed the abortion ban, he did it in the dead of night. these are issues he needs to come out and talk about and defend his positions. anybody running for president anywhere needs to defend their positions. i think the biggest issue is this. i can't remember at least in my life, anytime an almost guaranteed front runner or a

significantly talked about front runner, as early as ron desantis was has ever advanced to end up being that person. i mean, you think back to the early days of jeb bush, governor scott walker, that's the nature of it, and he was built up far too much, far too fast, and he doesn't have -- i don't mean this meanly, he doesn't have the personality or the acumen to be able to follow through on that. >> congressman alluded to it a little bit. do you think it's a mistake for desantis to try and run to the right of former president trump? has that been a mistake? >> only because there's nothing there but a ditch. you can't out trump trump. the congressman just said it. you look at the people who are available in his party to vote against donald trump, it's people who would maybe admire the competence of a governor who's gotten a lot of stuff done, but not people who are, you know, more extreme, and so he's done this bizarre thing where i guess there's some narrow slice of people who just

don't think donald trump is mean and horrible enough, but haven't found them yet, nor can the pollsters. that is what is showing up. he's got a terrible strategy to get the nomination, and, you know, it's just the bottom line. >> van jones, appreciate it. >> anderson, you know what i -- i was going to say real quick, i think he at the very beginning just thought trump was going down, and he needed a carbon copy trump, the problem is trump's not going down. >> how much does just being a nice person matter on the campaign trail in national politics, do you think, congressman? or somebody you want to have a beer with, the old saying about george w. bush? >> yeah, it hasn't lately, actually, think about it, people like donald trump's personality that like it. they think he's funny and everything else. i'm not a fan of it. i do think people have to feel like they like you, you're relatable. he doesn't exude that. he doesn't have that vibe, obviously. donald trump somehow figured out how to be a billionaire out of

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across parts of america's northeast, more than 9 million people under flood alerts over the past two days. intense rain and flash flooding leaving homes in ruins and roads and cars washed away. take a look at the scene in pennsylvania on sunday. >> wow. >> i just wash my car to swim away. >> in a moment we'll get a live report from vermont. first the latest from cnn meteorologist chad myers. >> vermont, already incredibly hard hit, and it's still raining, the state's search and rescue coordinators says some talents are inaccessible at this point. >> we have a swift water team in the area trying to gain access so we can continue doing welfare checks. >> so far at least 50 people have been rescued as roads are washed out and rivers continue to rise. neighboring massachusetts sent their emergency task force members to help out.

>> it's going on for days, and that's my concern. >> this comes on the heels of deadly flooding in parts of new york state. homes inundated with water in rockland county. >> look at the people's door. >> reporter: just north in west point, more than 7 1/2 inches fell in just six hours on sunday. that's a one in 1,000 year rainfall event for that area, according to cnn analysis of novis data. in orange county, one woman was swept away by flood waters. >> she was in the bottom of a rivera vaccine. >> reporter: their county executive says emergency services conducted about 50 significant water rescues, and right now there are no reports of anyone missing. >> i saw active duty army soldiers up to their bellies. we were walking to cars to make sure that people got out. >> reporter: 80-year-old richard buyers says this is one of the worst flooding he's ever seen. he was rescued by boat from his

home on sunday. >> just depressed and sad that this is happening. i mean, i knew i was going to lose a lot of stuff. >> reporter: people were forced from hairtheir homes and cars, across the northeast. >> i washed my car to swim away. >> this is the new normal. be prepared for the worst because the worst continues to happen. >> reporter: chad myers, cnn. more now from hard-hit vermont. that's where miguel marquez is tonight in the town of rockingham. miguel, what's it like there? you spent all day trying to get to the hardest hit places. >> we have been trying to get to ludlow and other areas that are hit incredibly hard. and this is what you find everywhere. this is williams river in chester. we had to come back from rockingham, we couldn't get a signal and the water was deep. o i'm standing on mud here, that is the road, but check this out, it's washed out just over here.

this you will see throughout this area. . you will go down a road, there will be no water on it. a half hour later, it will be completely flooded out. and keep in mind, this is now good. the water is starting to recede here in vermont, but they have had rainfall after rainfall after rainfall for weeks and weeks now. and there is literally nowhere for the water to go. search and rescue in vermont has affected about 50 if not more by now, search and rescues, we saw one earlier today in the six counties, would have been the southern part of the state that are having -- are being hardest hit by the rainfall. the green mountains here, that storm just went up and dumped a massive amount of rain very very quickly on to it. and it all flowed into the valleys and into the rivers. and this is the effect of you can be up river and the water will go down, but as you go down river, it gets higher and

higher. we were at a spot, trying to cross earlier, and suddenly we heard a very loud rumbling, and emergency crews said everybody out, go back to higher ground right now. they weren't sure if a bridge collapsed or a dam collapsed and there was going to be a pulse of water coming down as people were waiting for the water to recede at another crossing here. very very concerning times for vermont right now. the entire state has just been pommelled by the latest storm, anderson. >> is the worst of it over? >> reporter: the worst of it is over for now. if they get another storm in here, you're going to have a similar effect. but they expect tomorrow will be brighter and sunnier. they'll start to dry out. and then all the people who lost their cars, their homes, lots of folks we talked to whose homes are inundated right now. they will be able to get in, assess, and figure out how they pick up the pieces and go from

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so the new york congressman george santos has taken on fake identities with his resume, and his shamelessness continues, he has compared himself to civil rights advocate, rosa park. telling mitt romney you don't belong here before president biden's state of the union address. santos invoked rosa parks' name. >> i'm going to call them out, you want to call me a liar, i'll call you a sell yoult. mitt romney, the man goes to the state of the union wearing a ukraine lapel pin, telling me a latino gay men that i shouldn't sit in the front. i should sit in the back. rosa parks didn't sit in the pack, neither am i going to sit in the back. >> oh, snap, in 1955, rosa parks was arrested in montgomery, alabama, for refusing to sit in the back of the bus and give up her seat to a white passenger. her act lof extraordinary defiance, led to the montgomery

bus protest. by comparison, mr. santos is awaiting trial on criminal fraud charges, pleaded not guilty to a 13-count indictment that includes allegations of misusing campaign funds and lying about his personal finances on a house disclosure form. he's also admitted to lying about his resume and family background. the first term congressman's th thirsyness is unclenched and he claims he'll be seeking reelection. harry enten is here. what does the data show us? >> what the hell is wrong with him. my goodness gracious. look, his favorable rating in his own district comes in at 7%. that's not particularly high. >> i mean, i'm surprised it's that high to be honest. >> again, you can get 7% of americans to agree upon anything, and in fact, i have some examples of that right there. >> 10% believe the earth is flat. >> 10% of americans believe the

earth is flat. 12% of americans believe that the u.s. faked the moon landing. >> well, that's, you know, of course. >> obviously, right, so the fact is -- >> stanley kubrick filmed it. >> that's exactly right. did on a set stage. did tall for some ridiculous reason. i think that gives you an une understanding of how unpopular this guy is. his support in new york's third district is so so so small. >> does hee fundraising numbers? does the put those out? >> he did for quarter one. we don't know what quarter two is. for quarter one he raised a little bit more than 5 th$5,000. by comparison, his republican challenger, we know what his quarter two fundraising is, and he's raised about $200,000, i'm not necessarily the biggest math genius in the world, i believe that's about 40 times as much ass incumbent representative has, and that of course is

ridiculous because normally, you know, incumbents raise a lot of money. in this case, the incumbent is being far outraised. >> santos has great name recognition. >> he does have great name recognition. they say all news is good news, perhaps that's not necessarily the case in politics because in this particular case, that news seems to be quite negative. >> are there polls about rosa parks' popularity? >> there are. >> really? >> there's polls about everything. you know this. if george santos is universally disliked, rosa parks is universally well liked, at least now. so if you look at rosa parks' favorable rating among democrats and republicans, they hover right at about 90%, slightly higher among democrats than republicans. that's within any statistical error. >> that's good to see. i'm relieved. >> i come with good news. yes, we have a serial f fabulousist, who got into congress. and rosa parks is still well

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before heading to the high stakes nato summit in lithuania we talked about earlier, president biden was in britain meeting with king charles for the first time since he took the throne. this was biden's second trip to windsor castle since taking office in 2021. he met with the late queen elizabeth ii, and king charles during the queen's funeral, but in keeping with u.s. tradition, the president didn't go to the coronation in may. president biden put the hand on the king's back at one point, which was much commented on in the uk. a royal source said it was a correct protocol and called it a wonderful symbol of warmth and affection. joining me now is sally bedel smith. seeing the president and the king together, both on the world stage for decades, do these

kinds of meetings matter? >> well, i think the one today did matter. it was different from certainly the way the queen operated. not that she wasn't aware of substantiative issues but it was mostly played out in private, and today was, to me, having studied him for a long time, sort of a marker for his reign. he was -- he's always been a convener. he's loved convening groups, but that was when he was prince of wales and now he is king. and he was doing it with a very specific agenda in mind, and an agenda that he absolutely shares with president biden. they are completely in accord on climate. and this was a heavy hitter group. it was 50 to 60 of some of the most prominent businessmen, fill

lan -- philanthropists, really under the auspices of the british government. we have to remember now that he's king only does things that the government allows him to do. >> you know, it was interesting, there was some talk in the uk about the president putting his hand on the king's back, as sort of not being traditional protocol. it was sort of, i guess, poopoo'd by royal sources who said it was not a big deal at all. there is that formality, obviously that tradition in england. >> there is that formality, and it was more the case with the queen. i remember once when the queen was in a state visit to she went to visit somebody. the woman was so enthusiastic that she put her arms around the queen and you could see the queen's hands were sort of pointed to the ground. she didn't know what to do.

they grew up in a huggy time. he's been out and about in more informal settings and i think that that kind of tactile approach was not anything that would put him off. he's been hugged a lot by people out on rope lines. i don't think it bothered him at all. it was an expression of warmth on the part and reciprocated by the king. >> it is also looking. when you look at the president and the king. the president is a few years older but they're basically of the same generation and they both waited a very long time to get to their respective jobs. there is a strange commonality. >> there is. obviously, the king was born to it. his destiny began the day he was born in 1948.

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ufos, discos, and the rise of tabloid journalism in the new thriller novel, all the demons are here. he explores through the eyes of an awol marine. it continues the martyr family story. the love have politics and bomb culture history. it is a great read. jake is here with me tonight. congratulations on this book. i love this book. and i feel like you are writing about my childhood. it's evel knievel, new york city blackout of 1977 which i have huge memories of. >> do you really remember it? >> of course. and elvis' death which i totally remember. so 1977, i was 8 in 1977. you're a couple years older. 1966.

i was in philly and my parents were hiding all of this from me. summer of sam, i didn't know any of it. the only thing was elvis dying. very tragic to me. i loved elvis. i went to studio 54 in 1978 with my mom twice. >> well, that's your particular childhood. >> i read about it in your book. >> and truman capote. did you know roy cohen? >> i did. he also shows us, spoiler alert. >> apply mom's lawyer, who got disbarred worked for roy cohen. >> that should have told you right there. >> i was 10 years old. mom, you should not have a lawyer who worked with roy cohen. i was 10 and i knew this. i should have consulted you on the book. 1970, i was going to, the first book was about the 50s. the second book was about the '60s. i was going to skim the '70s. i have memories.

the gas lines. >> incredible. >> they were insane. as you knew. so when i went diving into them and i realized i can like ufo sightings, cults, studio 54, new york city blackout, son of sam which you remember and i don't because my parents hid it from me. this was a wild and crazy time and very fun to write about. >> the series that you've done, if you have read your previous books, it's a continuation of the martyr family. senator martyr's wife, the two kids, but you don't have to have read the two previous books. a stand-alone book. >> and in this one, the kids are in their 20s. so they're the main characters. lucy is a journalist. an aspiring journalist and working for a roomert murdoch figure. loosely based on rupert murdoch. and she goes into the world of tabloid journalism which was huge in the 9370s. >> i also thought of robert

maxwel. which was forgotten. except for maxwell. and then ike, he's an awol marine and he's working for evel knievel in butte, montana. and it gets into dem going tos and mobs and why they followed evel knievel. were you into evel knievel? >> i was. and his son, robby knievel. he passed away earlier this year, may he rest in peace. that character is so fascinating. i wasn't into him. a friend of mine was. when i figured, okay, i need to do the '70s i started looking into evel knievel. i wanted a motorcycle my entire life and i wasn't allowed to have one. so when i came of age when he was 18, before i got aer today, i got a motorcycle license. >> they are so dangerous. >> they are. >> and he was just braver or

dumber or willing to jump over 15 buses. the idea that this guy who was a stumt man and was one of the hugest celebrities in the 1970s was unfathomable to me. >> it is so well written. a page turner. an exciting story. this is fun. if it's fun for me, hopefully it will be fun for the reader. >> all the demons are here. congratulations. the name of the book is "all the demons are here." it is out tomorrow and it is a really great read. a big night here, not just because of jake's book but also the source with kaitlan collins. here is "the source" with kaitlan collins. tonight, straight from the source. who ron desantis is blaming for his sagging poll numbers can. anyone take on donald trump? a potential rival will join me. plpl