overturn the election. separately, tomorrow in georgia, selection begins for a grand jury that will also decide whether to indict him. in a, moment i will speak live with a key, witness and a special counsel investigation, former trump official can -- . here is your evenings cliffsnotes, or the coats, notes on the various alleged schemes that jack smith is likely to be considering. one, scheme trump considers a plan to use the military to seize voting machines. in, another military-related plots, allies floated the idea of even using martial law, using troops to redo an election. >> he could also order, he could order the, within the winnings waits, if you wanted to he could take military capabilities, and he can place them in the states, and basically run an election in each of those. states >> could he? in another, scheme the trump

campaign convinced fake electors in seven states that biden won closely. >> we've got to see the electors. . >> yet another focal point. the pressure campaign. trump and his team call up officials, including. this remember this infamous exchange? >> so, look all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes. that's one more than we have. , because we won the state. >> as they, say there is more. another plot, trump asked the justice department to declare the election corrupt. of, course the doj refused. perhaps the most famous of the alleged schemes, trump tries to bully his number two. then, vice president mike pence who reject, biden's electoral

votes. he did this privately, he did this publicly. eventually making the vice president a target of the january 6th mob. >> >> now, look of all these, schemes you're likely asking yourself what laws were broken. what could jack smith bring charges on? or. four i'm not going to speculate, since we do not yet know all of the evidence, in the testimony. but i'll tell you what is. clear it's clear that this case is far more complicated, and wide-ranging than the classified documents -- that we have recently seen. i want to start out tonight with kim -- , a former homeland security official, under trump.

he's the founder of the never back down pack. a protest sent a super pac. can >> long time no see. welcome. how are you doing? >> better than america laura, but i'm working on that. i hope you're doing. well >> that isn't, america that might be a t-shirt. you probably already have one. can let me ask you about this part of. it i'm wondering what you had to say when you have been asked multiple times now about january 6th. you are told that january 6th -- committee both giuliani and

trump asked you about whether dhs could seize voting machines. i really want to know what those conversations were like. can? >> they were during laura. i was asked a question, and i answered it. that was the end of it in each of two conversations. no one ever pushed me, no one ever asked again in the same conversation. the question was asked, and the question was answered. >> what was your answer? >> it was that we don't have any authority to do that. >> how is that received? >>, well in each case, with a conversational, sure i was on the phone with rudy giuliani, so there was no pushback, there was no follow-up questions, and

i was with the presidents. he did not pushback, and he did not ask follow-up questions. either >> trump was content with your answer that there was no >> that was not the problem at all. >> your point about the notion that you believe that the prosecutors had an agenda to use a first impression, you call that sort of thing. what was your understanding of what they were considering as likely charges based on that first impression? >> well, laura i came on here to talk about rhonda santas, and why he's a great candidate for president. i'm a little surprised to be talking about this subject. this has been reported on pretty, widely including my -- testimony about twice answering the question that voting machines could not be seized by

dhs, and we will see what jack smith does. i certainly believe that the system is being weaponized. i noticed in your introduction that you referred to it as purportedly being weaponized, and i'm very disappointed and that very on objective approach that you have. >> the word purported is an objective, in fact it's the definition being someone who knows full well. i'm not and prosecute -- on air. >> look at the russia hoax laura. the fbi's role and. it's the clinton campaign's role in it. >> the notion that that agency has not been in -- and engaging itself into elections is already wrapped up in a comment like purported weaponization of the government.

when you're referencing the republican congress. >> can let me stop you for, moments i want to both have a conversation. i don't want to talk over each, other but i do want to say, he said that you wanted to talk about desantis. one of the reasons i brought up the notion of weaponization, is because this is been something he's most recently said, at least over the weekend with respect to the purported, i'm sorry to use the word again, but it happens to be in my lexicon can. the idea of the purported front runner in the, campaign for the rnc nomination. he has come out to suggest that trump, somehow colluded with social media to squash his story and. beyond i bring it more -- in this way. i'd love to talk to you about this very notion. , the idea of weaponization, and the governments, is that going to be one of governor ron

desantis's lead campaign platform points? it certainly is part of what several leaders of congress are invested in right now. >> well, i would not call it lead. it is part of an array of policies that he has announced he would pursue, and one of those is returning federal law enforcement, specifically the, fbi and the department of justice back to a status of objectivity. to being the federal police towards -- that the fbi supposed to, be in addition to being the counter intelligence. force that is not how they have acted for ten years, and donald

trump complaints about it, and he complains about christopher wray, but he hired christopher. he was in charge of the department of justice for four years. they comparison between those two on the republican side, it's very stark. particularly when you look at the governor's record in florida, more when they had intransigent elements of their government, he dealt with them effectively. by the, way in the largest swing state in, america got the overwhelming approval of not just republican voters, but the middle 20%, that gave him a nearly 60 40 victory, in 2022. he's had voter approval for this approach, -- >> it is on tonight, double indisputable, i don't want to cut you, off but he has been successful in six -- and successive campaigns. it's absolutely one that no one can take away from governor ron desantis. i am surprised, given the fact

that you have been an official and the government, you have been an attorney general and the state of virginia, among many other positions that you've had as well. doesn't it seem odd to you that the notion that the government is weaponized, only if it is leading to an unfavorable result for, you or your candidate of choice, that can't be the only time that it's noted as weaponization. wouldn't you agree? >> i would agree vehemently, just as congressman raskin, objects to electoral votes, when it's donald trump winning the election in 2016. he thinks it's a form of insurrection when it happens and 2020, by other congressman doing the exact same thing that he did. you can go back to the bush v. gore election, in 2000 and c election after, election where republicans won, that democrats were making the kind of objections that have now been taken to a higher level by the democrats themselves. i would like us to say all americans get to the point where each of our states has such clean clear transparent elections, that we can all have confidence, even when we're on the losing side, that the outcome most righteous, and appropriate. they will never be, perfect but

that should be a shared goal. it's one i work towards and parallel right now in my life today, and i think that we're gradually having some success in that area, but that happens at the state level laura. much more so than at the federal level. governor desantis has been a leader in that is, well in florida. all of the challenges that have come along have been well handled, and they counter votes quickly, and cleanly, and there are not major complaints from other. side you just can't say that about many of the other swing. states >> florida has been under the microscope for a lot of this voting related legislation, or some feel it's not transparent, fair or free, and not in the way that you're speaking about it. however, i do want to give you the last word on this because you are never back down pack spokesman, steve cortez recently said, even with all of the things that you just said about the success of governor desantis while in office as governor, he still far behind. he's well ahead, certainly of those who are in the single, digits but he still behind donald trump. why do you think that? is he's blamed the media, why do you think that is? >> he's the most accomplished

chief executive of our lifetimes. president, or governor. i have great faith in the american people, and in those i expect both republicans and independents to participate in the actual voting for the nomination in 2024, and at the end of this, marathon i'm confident that the governor will come out on top. that does not mean it will be easy, but he's the hardest worker in the field, and he has a great personal record. he worked his way through college, he served in the, military he's the only veteran running for president. i don't know how far back you have to go for that, but that's the situation he's. and he's done a great job, and has recognized at least by independents, and republicans, many of whom switch sides to vote for him in 2020. as a success. , with a vision that will, work for an entire country, not just a state. so, donald trump is, is not incumbent obviously. he comes into the race with that kind of voter knowledge of him, and it takes a while to get known to that same level, and. i believe that rondo sentence will shine in debates, regardless of who shows up, just as he has and dealing with

the paris, and sometimes they can be out of fashion that is -- two human proportionate combative fashion? i have to get it right back to you, because i've got to tell, you there have been moments that has not necessarily been the. case i hear the case you are making for the governor. we will see how everything goes down the line. i appreciate talking you today. it's been a long time, nice to see you. >> good to talk to you. laura >> thank you. next, everyone the big question. two actions speak louder than endorsements? well, trump is going off on iowa's republican governor tonight, i'll speak with one governor who was also been in the same crosshairs. governor sununu joins me next. plus, new reporting suggests that president biden has a bit of a temporary. i'm being generous according to the reporting. he is yelling and cursing and his staff. that reporter is going to join

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january caucuses. but as the new york times points, outs she's taking a liking to maybe one of her colleagues, florida's ron desantis. desantis has hit high off four times already this year, and three of those, times the governor has appeared with him. in fact, she appeared along casey desantis, the governor's wife last week in her first solo campaign event. >> i am a woman on a, mission and i think you are woman on a mission to. >> ron desantis and reynolds have been very generous with the praise of each other. >> you are elected president, would you consider cam reynolds for a cabinet position? >> i think kim could be considered for just about anything that a president would. pick >> iowa, the florida of the north. >> could very well maybe that florida is the iowa of the

southeast. >> i have to have been, plan because reynolds won't actually endorse, well guess what, trump rage that her online today, and why? he expected reynolds to be in his corner, since it was trump who gave her predecessor an ambassadorship, which then elevated reynolds, it was trump who held a late rally back in 2018 in a race that ronald won, with just over 50% of the vote. >> she has become our real star in the republican party. >> well, fast forward to, now and this is trump recently at a campaign events in iowa. >> i had to say it, without me she was not going to. when you know that right? >> joining me now is new hampshire's republican governor, chris under new who's also been in the crosshairs of trump.

last month he announced that he would not seek the gop nomination in 2024, governor it's good to see. you how are you this evening? >> i'm doing great. i'm still giggling on the idea that kim reynolds would not win without trump's help. she's a superstar, she did not need anyone's. help us donald. trump is going to take credit for the sun shining, and the stars twinkling. that's the way. heroes >> you've not been a stranger to these. attacks the idea that trying to take credit for things, interestingly enough, it's one of the issues in terms of last year's midterm elections.

the f idea of wanted to take, credit but not want to resume some responsibility. let me ask you, why do you think that trump is so antagonistic about the governor right now? and his perception that she is cozying up to desantis? >> well, the former president has been, i would think politically smart, and that he knows how to get his base ginned up. that's to antagonize anyone about anything, and have this quick lines. it's not a very appealing trump to, many except for the base. he does it he kind of takes us jobs, and all of. that he wants to take credit for everything that happens. as you said, none of the responsibility. the fact of the matter, is we lost big in 2018, because of the former president.

we lost, we lost the senate and the house in 2020, we should've had huge ones in 22, but we lost with him, his candidate, his messaging. we are over through here. we should have done much better in all of those. horses that's why i keep saying to the trump supporters out there, if you vote for the, sky and as the nominee, you are just heading into biden. likely, than handing it to kamala harris by the way, because whether it's a health assure, what i think a lot of folks are concerned that the current president won't make it through a second. term >> of her that joke. it's a trump supporter, thank you for giving us kamala harris is the next. president >> well i certainly heard a talking point that seems to be dismissive of her, own ability to try to serve. the notion of the age of president biden. it's not that far away from one donald trump, we all know as well by the way. let me ask you just to extend the ports analogy the, raise your over three. to say this isn't second, places in the double, digits that's true. there's a double digit lead the trump now enjoys. do you see desantis as the greatest threat to trump? is his presence in this race so think that's going to contribute to donald trump's a nomination? or is there someone who might be a more viable prospect for that rnc nomination? . you say it's not you. look, there's a lot of nominees and potential nominees in the presidential race that could

not only be great, look at what. nomination >> desantis in particular. >> how could? one >> it's whether it's nikki haley, tim scott or doug burgum who just got in the race, desantis could. the sentence is the most likely to pull the trump voter away from the trump base. they kind of share a lot of those same voters. then you have more than 50% of the voter base in the republican party that's going to choose among 67, eight, nine candidates that michael onstage. again we always, it's so early, we're still a month and a half away from the first. debate is trump even going to get on that? stage or see gonna wipe out >> or the other candidates going to push back on him in masses they should? or are they going to hedge their bets. i think, overall the field has been a little bit weak. a lot of it week on the former president, as they should. former president stands for. yesterday he stands for relocating his past, as opposed to republicans making a great case for the future. we've got a great product as republicans. i think we do. i think we forget the concepts of fiscal responsibility, and limited government. local control. you can, first individual

responsibility. these are things that get independents, and even conservative democrats excited. i don't hear a whole lot of it coming out of the party. right now i'm trying to get that message, try to make the party bigger, get independents back on board. let's get some of those young voters back on. board i think there's a lot of time to do. that as a party. >> governor, on that point about the timing of. things i know new hampshire first to have a primary, which is of course causing -- agitated to all of south carolina, and the dnc hoping to go, first particularly on these issues. let me ask you about the prospects there. you have said in an op-ed where you said you are not going to run in 2024, essentially said look, if you are in single digit polling, by the winter you should pull out of this particular race. when you said, if trump does not show up for the debate, which of course part of the criteria for being there, has laid out that criteria. will you stick to that? if trump chooses not to debate? not to appear? >> should the rnc have the same criteria for the loyalty pledge and beyond if he does not show? >> well, loyalty pledge stuff is kind of bogus. people are going to sign whatever pledge they want to get on the, stage knowing at

the end of the, day the voters are going to decide who their nominee is. i don't worry about that stuff some. watch what you brought up is the most important stuff. come november, december if there are candidates that are sitting in low single digits. you've got to go, you have to have the responsibility to clear the. field their donor base has not the responsibility to tell their candidates to clear the field. get this done to tour. three if it's a one-on-one race, trump or someone else trump loses. we went as republicans in november. all that matters is winning in november of 24. if you can't clear that, hurdle if the mathematics isn't there, and it's not for, trump you have to find someone. else i think the republican party will embrace stats, and really take advantage of that, and as we go into super tuesday. >> the first debate is coming, up just in about less than a month right now, and many of the candidates have not qualified for. do you even think the rnc was

rules are fair? obviously you talked about the winter in 480 some days away from the actual november election. what do you think about those right? now if you don't have people who qualify, want to only be trump on that? stage >> no, my guess is you're going to have six or seven other candidates on that stage, other than the former president. they still have another month or so. the hardest hurdle is the 40,000 small donors that they have to collect over 20 states. that's a challenge to be sure. it says that we're only going to look at serious. candidates we don't necessarily want a field of 15 candidates on that stage. they'll make the threshold, great hadn't. that threshold will also increase as you go to october, november and december. as it should. it forces the field of a. little bit if you're galvanizing voters, if you're doing well in the, polls you've got to maintain your position on that stage, and you're going to have the opportunity to really show what you're all about. show what this party can do, and work and. >> i've seen this movie of a

very big debate stage before. i think it was 2016. remember those days, not too long ago. >> governor sununu thank you so. march nice to see. oh >> you bet. >> everyone, just ahead. did you know that behind closed doors, president biden reportedly has quite the temper and courses out staff members? well, my next guest wants to talk about it next. hi, i'm norma, and i lost 53 pounds on golo. once i entered menopause, i did not like the fact that i had gained body fat around my waist. and i thought, "oh, no, that can't happen." i've never had that problem. after starting golo and taking release, i immediately saw an improvement in my waistline. a lot of people expect to fall apart as they age, but since taking release, i've never felt better.

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right, we know that president biden likes to cultivate his public, image as kindly uncle joe. it's often referred to. behind the, since i'm talking about in, private he reportedly has a bit of a temper. he unleashes it on a. stuff that's according to an article by axios. alex thompson is the national political, reporter and he joins me. now alex, i'm glad that you're here.

we've been on sirius xm together. we can't swear here right now on cable, but let me ask you, we may not have read this to understand what exactly president biden is being accused of doing, or how he's behaving. break it down from, yes so publicly maybe he'll whisper a bit when he's trying to make a point, but behind closed, doors he's prone to yelling, it's much salt your language. he'll really angrily grail into his staff to the point that some staffers are actually a bit afraid to meet a lot of the president. sometimes they bring in an extra personal, to so that the firing line it's a bit distributed among several different staffers. >> this runs really counter to the image most people think would have of president biden. how are we knowing? that's how who's reporting this. is this current current, former, and by former army and former

white house staff, current white house and administration stuff, plus people going back. we had a headline today, we called it all dealer. but i can confirm to you that joe biden was a young killer to. we even talk to stuff that went back to the early 2000s, and the fact is that this is a guy that has been professionally staffed for more than half of his life. he's had a long, life it's been 50 years were he's had people staffing, him and as a result there's a generational difference. two he's really really tough on, stuff and he has that irish up, he has that irish temper and he'll really you landed, people and make them feel humiliated, make them feel embarrassed. they really feel like they're getting tested. >> you might be surprised, by this because you might recall when he spoke about respect and

dignity, the idea that you're working with, him if you act in that way, you could. fired >> listen to what he had to. say >> i'm not joking when i say this, if you are ever a working, with me and i hear you treat another colleague with disrespect, top down to someone. i promise you i will fire you on the spot. on the spot. no if ands or buts. everybody, everybody is entitled to be treated with dignity. that's been missing in a big way the last four years. >> so, you hear that, and then there is the moment when he was calling a fox reporter a stupid s. o. b., not my words. let me play it because you know it's not her words. >> will you see questions on inflation? anything in place that's a political? >> that's a great asset, my pleasure. what a stupid sign of a -- . >> there has been different sides, we have certainly seen. why are we just hearing the snow? talking about this, reputation or the idea of more than 50 years of staffing. has this been known throughout washington, and it's just not been covered? or is this now an issue. >> there are a few different pieces to this. one is that joe biden, because he's been the public live for 50 years, he knows the

difference between a public, persona and our private. persona it did not become president by accident. that requires a level of public persona skill, that sometimes is different than your private persona. in this case, what's so interesting is that his public persona leads so much on him being, civil and hostility. that clip you just showed about the stated he was sitting first, white house i can tell you some former administration aides, don't think that he's lived up even to his only standard. the only thing i would point out, is that a lot of, -- biden does have a side of him that is incredibly generous, that is compassionate. it's why, despite being a really tough, boss he is how this very similar, same inner core of advisers from sometimes going back several decades. they realize what they've gotten, into and they couldn't go with the highs and the lows. i think that is part of the reason why he's had a

relatively stable staff. it's public persona, versus private persona, and the fact that he does actually have that compassionate genocide. >> the political cynic in me wonders if this now makes him more attractive to voters, in the sense of away from the way he's been perceived by some sort of the friendly, uncle, friendly uncle joe and how he's been talked about pejoratively by donald trump to the firebrand mentality of. things how has the white house received this? they must be thrilled by your reporting. >> i would not say they were thrilled, there were a few advisers and the white house, that i think part of the reason they may have talked to me is because they thought it would not necessarily be the worst thing and the world at this

side of him got out a little bit. i think some people were, like you think he senile, let me tell you. that thing, i just got a step behind closed doors for 10:15 minutes for messing up this little small thing at a briefing. that being, said when i went to the white house, it was really interesting. this white house is calm seems very tough, they defend their people, even a slights khama out of, line they really go after, and in this case it was like, yes, a lot of this stuff, happens let's give you more context. he was a little bit out of character where they really go to the -- and, yes this is who we are sometimes behind heat closed doors. >> alex thompson, thank you for reporting, really interesting, thank you so much. everyone, rapper 50 cent has that for -- a saying that los angeles has reinstated a zero bail policy, it's a problem. he's saying that things are going to get very bad. does he have a point? we're going to debate it next.

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a los angeles screwed over its zero bail policy. talk about what that policy is, hundred those arrested for nonviolent low level offenses are not forced to post bail. that was initially implemented during the pandemic, to reduce crowding and, jails and an effort to stop the spread of covid. in an instagram, post the rapper shared a clip from a local newscast on the policy running, elias finished. watch how bad it gets out there. as am h. for different perspectives on this, i want to bring in cnn political commentator van jones, and yellow county district attorney jeff -- i'm glad that both of you, here because i know both of you are very passionate about this topic, and about the idea of, baylor nobel. let me begin with, you and i were the two of you to have the conversation, because that is

what is most intriguing, and we will learn more from each of you. they, and what is your initial reaction to these comments? as he writes about the noble policy headed for disaster? >> i'm glad he is raising issues we can talk about, but what happened here in los angeles, may be different in other places is that when they stopped forcing people to pay, just because they had been, arrested this is not about people that have been convicted, it's about people who've been, arrested if you are guilty, but half, money you can get out. if you are, innocent and you have to prefer to stay in jail for a year or two waiting for trial. during covid they stop doing, that and it turned out that it improve the situation when it comes to. crime what the judge says, is six people sued saying keeping people in jail, when they are, innocence just because their part is not unfair. the judge looked at the

evidence and said yes, it's not fair to you, and these policies are actually cryogenic. the judge says it's creating more crime in l. a. to let people, just because they have. money and make sense. no officials in this town are willing to defend the old policy, and so that's what's happening here and los angeles. >> i may have a different perspective, there is a study that talks about this concept of recidivism, essentially someone's likelihood to commit a crime once again. what is your take? is van right? >> well, 50 cents is right on this one. and yellow, county one of 58 counties in california, was the president of the deeds association. we were the only county in california that measure this zero pale bossy, and what we found unfortunately was that when people were laced on zero, bill they committed 163% more crime than people who have been released for the same types of crimes on posted bail. they committed 200% more violent crime and people who had posted bail. this is the only study of its

kind in california that i have seen. i'm confident los angeles did not do its own independent study, and so, i support small ball reform, i actually do. zero bill policies without more are bad policies. >> i will say to this point, li and acted zero policy back in late may, and since then total arrests are actually down, i believe nearly 14%. total property crime is down 6. 4%. violent crime has seen that slight uptick by 2. 1%, i, wonder why don't you think l. a. has seen the same impact from this policy as what jeff is talking about yellow county? >> different localities are different. i do not argue with what my

colleague just put forward, thus correlation does not mean causation, it does mean that there are other factors that are pushing climb up, there but what i will say this is that we have to get smarter love. bill i agree. there is something off here, because as i said, i don't think anybody who's listening what agree that someone who is done something, terrible just because they have money, after the gullible to go home, just because they have. money somebody else has got to sit in jail for a year and a half, lose their job, lose the places, school lose their kids to the system, just because they don't have enough money to give someone before they get to. trial that's what this judge is concerned about. that, said if it turns out that there is a smarter better world to, do it using other factors, maybe for some kinds of, crime maybe you want to apply, bill i'm open to something that's reasonable. we have 13,000 people in. jail half of whom who have not been convicted of. anything you've got 16,000 people in jail right. now they can't get out because they are poor. others not work for los angeles. >> on that, point we should all believe and the presumption of innocence. i certainly do. having to pay for access that presumption of innocence is what confounds many.

when we're talking about bill reform policies, what do you think is the appropriate balance to? strike >> yes, it's a good question, there's lots of things we could do differently, and one of them is simply have a risk assessments on every single individual when they're arrested, before you make the decision to make the release. that's the problem with zero, bill is it's an automatic release when they're arrested. they're not seen by, judge there not a value added further prior criminal history, their risk, they don't talk to the victims, they just released them. that's dangerous. to the l. a., case unfortunately my understanding is neither the district attorney, are there any member of >> -- appeared in that court case, and offered a contrary opinion. i think they know, that and unfortunately there is good data out there that tells another story than what the judge found.

>>. really important to hear both of your studies, and destroyed this conversation will not end today. it will for. now thank you so much both of you. >> thank you. >> everyone, the last three known survivors of the tulsa mass race massacre of 1921, all of whom are over 100 years old, are now vowing to appeal a judges decision, dismissing their case for reparations. their attorney says that they will not go away quietly. he joins me next. keep getting more damaged the more times you wash them. downy protects fibers, doing more than detergent alone. see? this one looks brand new. saves me money? i'm starting to like downy. downy saves loads. tens of thousands of customers wrote about carvana being easy in their five star reviews, including eric. the whole process was really simple and easy, and this is my third time selling to carvana. so i can practically do it from memory now. you just enter your license plate or your vin, answer a few questions. boom, you get a real offer. true story.

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survivors announced the plan to appeal that decision, for more i want to bring in one of the attorneys for the survivors, demario solomon-simmons. thank you for joining me. i'm glad to see you right now. this has been a very long process. i want to focus for -- that was. here that was to do with the notion of what happened as a public nuisance. so might be surprised as that particular theory, which is to find us when a person or entity unreasonably interferes with the right to the general public shares and calm. one of, course tolstoy saying in response that just ones proximity to an event of not to be enough, what will be the next stage here? >> good to see you, thank you so much for having me on today. are public nuisance law here is much more specific, and more on point for our particular. issue that deals with something that interferes with someone's right to property, the use of the property, or commit a crime by doing that. tulsa race mchugh sucker meets that -- 100%.

we feel that this decision by our judge, well it's completely against the law. laura, and for our listeners to understand, we're not asking for them to do a special favor for these three beautiful survivors that we have the up on the screen, we were asking them to settle follow the black -- that's been on the books since 19. ten >> will be the basis for the appeal? >> the basis for the appeal is that we are right on the law. this law suits, a motion to dismiss is at a very very minimal hurdle. all we had to put in front of the court is a plain statement of facts. a statement that we believe we have a claim, and a case. as you know, for cases to get kicked out is really disfavored an earlier system. we were asking for the opportunity to move forward and discovery. we have waited almost three years.

we filed this case in 2020, we waited three years, had multiple court hearings. thousands of pages of documents to get kicked out on a motion to dismiss, one last year if you will remember, our same judge that we can move forward, and then a year later she resources herself, and kicks us out with. prejudice -- >> prejudice meaning that they have you and tell you to not bring this action again. it's significance. you remember that's taken years to get here, we're talking the survivors over the age of 100 years old. thinking about what took place in tulsa. they survivors, what are their spirits like through all of this? to think about getting to this point, only to have this happen. >>, yes you have 109-year-old mother -- 108 year old leslie benefield randall, and 102 or plus -- . they've waited 102 years trying to get justice and reparations for themselves, their families, and our community here in

tulsa. for me to get the phone call, i got a text message friday night from the reporter, asking me if i wanted to make a statement based on our case being dismissed. it was a gut punch. i was blown away. i couldn't believe this happened. as i said in disbelief, it paid me knowing i had to call my clients, because i did not want them to learn about this on the news. i had to call them and talk to. them these people were over 109 years, old but they're still very lucid. i had to tell them what happened, and the question was was? why what is the deal? our judge did not provide us with any explanation. that's why we're so disgruntled today, and why do you believe we can move forward with an appeal. we think the law is very, clear no one disputes that the massacre happened, no one disputes that my client suffered a grave loss. no one disputes that the property was burned. down there simply saying, we don't care.

>> >> to mario solomon, thank you so much. not the end of this story. i've had a chance to visit -- and took my children to tulsa. thank you for joining us today. >> thank you. >> well, he used the truth challenge charles -- and george santos has not comparing himself to rosa parks. that is next. julian's about to learn

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