>> all right, thank you so much for joining us tonight. cnn prime time with laura coates starts now. >> thanks, caitlin. nice to see you. thank you everyone. good evening. thanks for joining me i am mara coats. there are some of the most gruesome and some of the most

infamous murders in the entire history of our country. tonight, a convicted killer from the manson family is walking free. leslie ban who'd released on parole after 53 years behind bars. she was, of course, a part of the grid that terrorized los angeles in 1969, killing seven people in some of the most gruesome of ways, including actress sharon tate, who, at the time, was pregnant. then who was convicted of killing a couple in their own home. stabbing the wife 16 times at the crime scene. she wiped her fingerprints at that primes the. and she changed her clothes. she even drink chocolate milk from her victims refrigerator. she says that she did it as a follower of the manson's. >> i believe that he was jesus christ. it was his view and belief that

all of this would happen and part of his thing was not to have individual thinking and don't ask questions and i bought into it lock stock and barrel. i never asked him how is that going to happen? >> now, california's governor, gavin newsom, had previously rejected her parole three separate times. this time, he didn't fight it. i'm going to bring in anthony de maria, his uncle was one of the victims of the manson family. anthony, thank you for joining me this evening. you know, there has been a lot that has been talked about and said over the years. five decades worth and more. then nation, of course, has been fascinated by all that happened. it is unbelievable to think that this is a member of your own family who was one of the victims. before we even begin, you know, tell me what you are feeling on

a day like today, knowing that one more person is now freed. >> well, the first thing is, obviously, my thoughts are with the victims, all of the victims and all of our families because as leslie collectively tortured, conspired and killed her victims, so to our families are bound by the loss and suffering of her crimes. it is clearly that leslie van houten's release our valley impacting our families. i fear that a very dangerous, pernicious precedent is established today that will impact millions of victims of violent crimes throughout the state of california today. and in the years to come. >> what is that precedent that you are talking about? of course, you have been very critical, understandably. the idea that she considered herself to be a victim of charles manson.

i wonder, what is the president you are speaking about that the governor has decided not to stop this appeal or -- repeal once again. what is the president? >> the president is established now. you have -- leslie van houten has always kind of propped herself up as a manson follower. but she's anything but. she's a cold blooded killer and one of the most notorious murder rampages in the united states history. with her release now, any other violent criminal or killer whose crimes fall beneath the bar of leslie van houten's very extreme, very crimes that also have historical impact, that opens the door for them and it is our fear that the floodgates in the california penal system will be unhinged. >> i am curious, has she ever reached out to you or members of your family? she spent more than 50 years

now behind bars. there are others, obviously, who have been convicted. has there been any contact between the now released woman and yourself or your family? >> no. with leslie van houten, she committed the crimes on waverly with rosemary and law bianca and was not present. my uncles from the evening of august 8th. as i understand, it there are certain cdc rules that prohibits the offenders to contact the families. now, i haven't received any outreach from leslie. >> what is your view nail of governor gaza vin newsom, knowing at this occasion he did not fight? >> you know, i appreciate that question. i certainly have respect for governor newsham and the attorney general. but our families strongly, vehemently, disagree with their

decision not to file an appeal. >> anthony dimaria, thank you for joining us. thank you for shedding some light on your family members and we will think of them as a part of your family, not just in the gruesome way that all of this has been described. thank you so much. >> thank you, laura. >> tonight, there are three major developments in the cases against the former president, donald trump, who is vying to become the president yet again. first, there is a reversal by the justice department. federal lawyers now say that the former president is no longer entitled to be immunity in the defamation case against him. the one involved thing e. jean carroll. now, this basically means that trump now has to defend himself without the doj stepping in on his behalf. it essentially paves the way now for a second -- yes, a second, and defamation trial against trump involving that same plaintive. on top of this, you have a grand jury in georgia that was chosen today to decide whether

to indict -- remember, probable cause, reasonable, doubt to indict trump and others for trying to overturn the election. wait, there is more, as they say, in the classified documents indictment, already against him in florida, his legal team is now arguing that his trial ought to be moved not a month or two months or even six months, but after the election, the one is a year and a half away. among the arguments that he is, one, too busy running for president, and also that the jury, they believe, will be too biased against him. what is clear, this seems to be part of a political strategy. it seems to now go hand in hand with his legal strategy. joining me now is someone who knows his strategy is quite well. the lawyer who just left the trump defense team in this very case, tim parlatore, thank you for joining me. nice to see you. i'm so fascinated by all that

is happening right now. you have been intimately involved in the classified documents up until leaving that defense team. the fact that he would like this to be moved until after the election -- we're talking about more than 400 days away -- >> does that surprise you know that he wants to delay it in that way? knowing that there is an election? >> it is interesting because the election is there. a super second that there was no election and you look at how fast federal cases go to trial. it wouldn't seem like that long of a delay. you have federal cases that they go on for years before they ever get to trial. it doesn't seem like that much of a delay in the context of the larger federal criminal system. certainly, when it is being framed this way as being around the election, it does speed that narrative that the whole purpose would be to push it past. >> did you ever talk to him about a strategy involving -- certainly, you are aware that

it was ruminating in the prospects of an indictment and a trial. was it ever discussed or was you have advised him to try to delay and push it past election? >> obviously, i can talk about my specific conversations with him. yeah, it is something that you would consider. >> why? >> well, with any politically -charged case -- i've done this in cases before where it is not a candidate, but it is someone who has a political or a to the case and you know that the administration is about to change and therefore the u.s. attorney involved spoke to change in the next administration may take a different view of things. >> or be more favorable to you in the long run? >> sure, they could be. also, you know, by moving from one administration to another, that could have a tendency to take the original prosecutor who brought the ks whose emotionally attached to it. all of a sudden have a different -- >> we prosecutors don't have a motions.

when you talk about? that's a myth, first of all. when you talk about that. i can't help but think about the comments that he constantly talked about there being two justices in america. the luxury of that strategy, there is a luxury of thinking about, could we delay in time to have a political appointee who might be more favorable and beyond? >> isn't that really the tale of the two justices that people are talking? not the haves and have-nots that everyone has to deal with in the most basic of cases, but in a case like this, it really feels, then, like it is an advantage that no other defendant would have with the prospect of saying that they are a candidate. >> it is a very unique situation. i ways look at the time that i was on the team in the opposite way, how hardware jacks mitt and doj be pushing on this case if he wasn't a candidate? i always saw it as, financing his candidacy when he did, that it was something that actually

could have turned doj into being much more forward-leaning and try to indict him to prevent him from becoming president. >> wait -- i thought to be clear, you think that by melting early, that that would've had the effect of jack smith and special counsel say, okay, now we have to get him before the election cycle? but this is something else? >> again, when he announced, jack smith wasn't in the picture. that happened right after. but when you have a situation like this -- get the remember, the time we were looking at, it is saying that this is a failure of process. these documents weren't taken out with any malice or intention. it was just bad record keeping procedures. really, this is the kind of case that shouldn't be brought. >> that was that. >> now, how do you feel? >> certainly -- let me finish first because my concern was at the time that if

the narrative of the doj under biden and garland is going to try to take the political opponent, if he doesn't run for office, that he's not really the political opponent. he's not something that they need to indict to prevent from going back to the white house. so, it can cut both ways in that regard. >> i do hear you on that. i just wanna be a bit personal kitty if i might. need to indict him. was there some basis by what you are suggesting that they would have some motivation to target him other than the reason that he has allegedly committed crimes? >> sure. >> why? >> sure. this does go to some of the two systems of justice. there are prosecutors out there who -- they like to try and get the biggest names that they can. whether they're democrat or republican or non political people. to further prosecutors career and try to put that big a scalp on the wall that they can. donald trump was certainly

qualify as being one of the biggest scalps that any prosecutor could ever have to put on their wall. whereas if it is, say, and ordinary citizen, maybe it is someone who is a low level staffer that found documents and it would not be as much zeal to go after them perhaps. >> jack smith was with the hague. one could argue that international crimes matter. >> he was also the public integrity -- >> he was. when i say that, notion. >> he went after a lot of big names. >> excuse me one second. i will play this part of it with you. the notion that was assume that there is some enticement about it being a name like donald trump. trump didn't do himself any favors. it's not the average person, right? he said, a bookkeeping issue. here you go. here are the documents back. it was, this is, mind you can't have. it it seems to be in the

indictment or affidavit, at least codefendant, the boxes are not returning them. there is the talking point to suggest that this is motivated in some way for the biggest notch on the belt. haven't we gotten past that now based on what has been alleged? >> certainly reading the indictment as i've read it now versus the information that we had pre-indictment, i can certainly see if there's evidence to support all of those things that are in the indictment, where prosecutor would say, okay, this is something that we need to perform on. i'm talking specifically on the movement of the boxes. what you mentioned. if you had actual evidence to back that up, it is certainly something that makes more sense to do. if it is a situation where a former resident of the white house has moved out and gsa moved a whole bunch of boxes that had a mixture of documents,

that happened every single administration going back as far as we've tracked it. so, documents went to jimmy carter's house, went to joe biden's house. documents went to all of these other places. most presidents, the boxes didn't go to their house because they were going to former presidential library. the boxes that went to a facility where the future presidential library was to be built. it never actually got to the house. >> well, there are obviously distinctions the way that he has been allegedly handling the material from here out. really quick, your prediction. is this trial going this year? >> now, no, absolutely not. even if there wasn't an election, given the complexity of this case in the volume of discovery and the significant issues to be litigated, i don't see how it would go before the election no matter what. >> we're in the wild, wild west. jack smith disagrees.

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after 24 hours of backlash, republican senator tommy topper bill finally condemning white nationalists and admitting that they are racist, as the definition actually instructs. it culminates a series of evolving cments, shall we say, take a listen. >> you mentioned the biden administration trying to prevent white nationalists from being in the military. do you believe that they should allow white nationalists in the military? >> well they call them that. i call them americans. my opinion of a white nationalist, to me they are

un-american. it is an american. >> the definition is that the belief that the white rage is superior to all the races. >> out of the question. >> do you believe that white nationalists are racist? >> yes. >> tuberville's about-face comes after backlash from republican lawmakers all the live long day, including from the senate minority leader. >> white supremacy is simply unacceptable in the military and in our whole country. >> i want to bring in michael eric dyson, a distinguished professor of african american and diaspora studies at vanderbilt university. my friend, i'm so good to see you. i've been chomping at the bit wondering what your mind has made all of this. what has been a reaction to all of this, and of course the timing, michael eric dyson, that it took that stretch of time to do that old come around? >> you are right, laura coates,

you're absolutely right. it is not an about face, it's a half turn. the fact is this is a man who is -- made $25 million on the backs of black players and yet he has showed them little more than contempt and derision since he has ascended to the senate of the united states. this man is smart enough to know what he is doing, he is sending dog whistles out, he is signifying that hey, i am with you, even when he is forced to turn around the compatriots of his who are white nationalists understand that he is doing so as a matter of forced compulsion. political correctness, to cooperate with the stream of the times in order not to be seen, not out of that stream. the bottom line is that tommy tuberville does not convincingly tell us that he is not a white nationalist or that he is not involved with or sympathetic to them. he simply was forced to say yes,

at the end of the day, those who claimed to be racist or not in my lead but i believe that the white nationalists are not racist. then he says okay they are racist. he is giving us a mumbo jumbo of confused rhetoric and at the end of the day we are not convinced that tommy topper ville is not in a lead and indeed embed with white nationalists, if not formally, at least with their impulse and ideals. >> nationally the senator would roads end and reject the notion that you just suggested, but i do wonder about this, taking a step back michael dyson, that i think i can say at this point that i'm perhaps old enough to remember a time when politics also required you to be prudent enough to anticipate backlash in a way that would make you, at least in front of a camera, espouse a very different viewpoint that may be one that you held privately. what does it say to you now that the ease and comfort of

the robot will? the disdain for even trying to articulate against it right now? >> you are absolutely right. it eloquently articulated. yes, he would reject my promise, but i think you would have a lot of evidence to counteract what he is talking about. at the end of the day we are living at a time where loose lips do not sink ships, but arise fortunes. the point is that you used to be ashamed to admit that you had any racist inclinations or beliefs hibernating inside your skull, that if they slipped out with a through your tongue you are immediately horrified at the prospect and you, convincingly, apologized. not in this case. white supremacy has become new again, has become vibrant alternatives to many viewpoints that are mainstream in this society, whether on those who are democrats or republicans, and the truth is that in the far right wing there is a

vicious kind of re-engagement with those who are seen as pure americans. look at what happened january six. we had a confederate flag being drug through the most -- territory in american civic late, and yet they are being defended by the likes of josh howley and many others on the right. so the point is that it used to be a big source of shame, now it is a sense of pride. you can say no, i'm not down with the white nationalists and white supremacists, even as you espouse their very believes and a wink and not at them to suggest that they've got to keep going. maybe not with donald trump like, stand by and stand ready, on misquoting him but you get the point. the point is, though, that tommy tuberville has strengthened the outlook of white supremacists and, yes, mitch mcconnell and others have said that racism has no place and yet many of them continue to embrace ideologies and

politics that give soccer and sustenance to those who hold such belief. >> it occurs to me as we are talking fluidly about these terms and often interchangeably, i wonder if people are aware and do you see a distinction or a consolation in these two terms? white supremacy, white nationalism, there seems to be those who are trying to extend some big divide between the two. but are they distinct in your mind? >> well, one is the lakers and the other is the celtics but they are all the nba. >> now the nba is serious, i can tell you that right now. now they don't want to watch, thanks a lot dyson. even -- from back in the day's wonder what happened here. go ahead. >> nba, no brothers allowed. what is happening here is that yes, white nationalism is the espousal of a believe in the inherent superiority of white culture, that it is the ethnic basis and political aggregation

of white bodies belize and ideals and perspectives as the dominant threat of american democracy. white supremacy is the conscious or unconscious believe in the inherent superiority of one group over the other. so you can make a political, ideological distinctions, but at the end of the day they are bedfellows that arrive together. one is driving the car, one is riding shotgun, but both are aimed towards the same direction, which is to hurt people who are not white. >> michael eric dyson, i'm so glad you came on. thank you for breaking this down for everyone, i appreciate your time, thank you. well, some gifts. luxury traveled book sales, there are new revelations tonight about the ethical behavior of supreme court justices on so-called both sides of the ideological spectrum. we're going to talk about it all. plus, breaking news tonight, we're getting word that north korea has fired what appears to

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north korea has fired what appears to be a long range ballistic missile from the area near its capital city. that is according to south korea's joint chiefs of staff, which says that the missile was fired and waters off the east coast of the korean peninsula. i want to turn right away to cnn international correspondent will ripley. will, what can you tell us? >> so, this icbm was launched from a produce familiar place. the sun on airport in pyongyang, it's a place i have flown into many times. basically, in addition to being an airport that they would occasionally use for civilian flights, they also use them for mythological. and kim jong-un can get their very easily from his palace and he can observe the early morning launch and watch this big rocket go up and they take the video and they release it as a big news bulletin 24 hours later, sometime sooner. this missile followed a pretty typical trajectory for those

icbms from north korea. they've been talking about firing and icbm at a regular trajectory, which would actually have a kind of crossing over, possible -- large numbers of potential countries could have a north korean missile flying overhead if they were to launch for these icbms at a normal trajectory, but they did a lofty trajectory, which basically sends a very far up into space and back down, only traveling a totaled ground distance of about 1000 kilometers. it is less provocative for sure. it follows the pattern that north korea has used for previous missile launches, and it comes at the time, laura, that there has been a real uptick intention on the korean peninsula. it is just this week that the sister of kim jong-un, the north korean leader, put out a statement warning that they would shoot down american military reconnaissance planes that had been operating in the area. north korea accuse those planes of crossing into their, not their airspace, but an economic zone that they control near the north korean coast. and the u.s. denies this, there is no evidence offered on north korea's side but they are basically sending out warnings and this icbm launch is

certainly intended to be that for the united states. because that missile is well within range of pretty much a very major city there, laura. >> will ripley, it's not lost on any of us that this is happening during the nato summit as well. surely the nato leaders are watching as well. keep us updated, please. thank you so much. well, we all know actor hill harper from his roles on csi new york and the good doctor among other roles as well, but in the future you would like to be known as senator hill harper of michigan. he joins me next to talk about his candidacy where he is challenging congresswoman elissa slotkin.

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in 2024 u.s. senate race in michigan. he made the announcement in a video dedicated to his adopted son. >> i believe our government should work for the people, be a force for good, and protect our freedoms. and that will not happen if we keep electing the same type of people to office. that is why i am running for the united states senate, to represent michigan. i love you son and i hope to make you proud. >> hill harper joins me now, good to see you hill. thank you for joining us. listen, this has been quite a week, an announcement of this magnitude really significant. tell me, why are you hoping to become the next senator out of michigan? >> i will tell you laura, today has been an incredible day and the reason why is because of a day like today. we started in detroit early, we've done three different events.

thousands of people showed up, we were in detroit, then we went to pontiac, a community that has experienced a lot of struggles, a lot of factory closings, then we ended up in the western part of the state in grand rapids to a packed house. a young girl named kennedy sands handed me this, from kennedys creation, she's probably nine years old. phil harper from michigan. that's why i'm running, for people like my son and kennedy sands, all the great people of michigan who deserve bold leadership. you know, we have the amazing senators stepping down and this state needs bold leadership to continue to double down on the work that we have seen the triple blue do in our state capital, where they've done so much good work, rebuilding the water infrastructure, expanding voting rights, we need that in washington d.c. as well. >> you know, for many people who have followed your career know that you have done a great deal of activism in michigan it particular as well. but many people know you as an

actor, and obviously there has been very famous actors before, who's become the president of the united states. we can name one in the last 30 or 40 years at least. but to people see you, they will identify the creative work you are doing, what are you intending to do to expand peoples idea of who hill harper is and who he can be for michigan? >> i think that is the question, it is why we have to go to all 83 countries throughout the state. last three or four months i visited so many different places. i've been in union halls, farmers markets, peoples dining tables, and hearing the same thing about what type of representation they want. they want representation of the people as opposed to lobbyists, as opposed to big dollar donors and backroom deals. so that is what we want to provide, it's what i want to represent for the folks. but, to your point, folks need to look you in the eye and know whether you are genuine or not and know whether they feel you.

i've done for years a lot of work and this is prism system, fighting against mass incarceration. people said the same thing about that. you weren't in a gang, you weren't in prison, how do you connect with the brothers? when you say i love you and i want to support you, they either know you are telling the truth or not. that is the way people see you. you want to look the folks in the eye, and you've got to meet them where they are. >> i understand that, certainly. when you made them in the air, and you looked into, what do they take issue with? what do hope to propose or change because you are not happy right now with what democrats and the government are doing with respect to michigan. what is your specific issue and platform that you hope to achieve? >> well, i hear from a lot of michiganders across the state that they do not feel adequately represented and a strong, bold way. we want to fight for peoples freedoms, economic development, small business owner in downtown to detroit. a great coffee shop in downtown detroit, i've had that for

seven years and we want to create jobs and communities because we have a small business is the engine for that. we want to make sure we are protecting our water. 21% of the world's surface water supply is here in michigan, people feel very good about the great lakes here we want to protect those at all costs. student loan debt, we want to fight against this last politicized supreme court ruling against the president's student loan debt relief. those the types of things that we wanted to do, but we can only do that for a grassroots campaign, that is why we need people to go to hill harper.com and support us directly because this is not going to be a funded campaign through big dollar donors and lobbyists, it's gonna be a funded campaign through individual donors, grassroots donors on our website. >> there is an incumbent in congress right now who, according to recent polling, of course is the front runner as of now. she is a moderate democrat, you just entered the race yesterday. it is of course congresswoman elissa slotkin, elissa slotkin,

excuse me. she was on earlier with kaitlan collins. what is the contrast with her specifically because this of course will be a primary challenge. >> it is a massive challenge and when we talk about candidates, we don't even know who all the candidates are going to be in the race. what we do know is that it is an open seat primary at it is the greatest opportunity for people to articulate what they believe, to represent people. and to battle. my former classmate, barack obama, when he won's senator race and illinois it was an open seat primary. i think that there were nine or ten people vying for that, seven and jump in the ballot. he won was 20% of the vote. i do know one thing, michiganders do not want washington d.c. and the establishment picking who their next senator is going to be. and i am excited to have a conversations with folks all across the state about that and

really let them look me in the eye and decide if they want me to represent them. >> really quick, is it true, i've seen reporting that some democrats and incumbents have tried to tell you not to run because they had, who they thought should be in the race already picked out. has that actually happened and what is the reaction itself? >> it has happened. but, that is part of the process. >> i'm nosy, who told you not to run? >> i'm not going to tell you. i'm not a politician, that's the good thing. i think it's what people like to hear, i'm just telling the truth. i got out of the race today and the nrsc put out a lie about me that came out like an hour ago and i was like, wow, that was fast. the one thing that we've got to deal with is truth in this process. i am committed to telling the truth, and committed to being honest and talking about how i want to represent people and not fall into the political games because i don't even know how to play the political game is because i'm not a politician. i'm going to be me and if folks

want a representative like me that he knows that we are going to have a campaign powered by the people. we are going to get people to believe better, and do the work. that's the type of work we're going to do, and if folks want that, and i do believe michiganders do, i will be the next u.s. senator from the state of michigan. >> well, mr. smith went to washington and why can't hill harper go to the hill? that's the title, i'm just telling you. i'm just saying that -- you've got to give me credit and royalty. hill harper, nice to see you and good luck on what you are doing. thank you so much. >> thank you so much i appreciate it. >> just ahead, the battle over aretha franklin's will. it is a version that was the hand written won by the queen of soul and discovered under a couch cushion after her death actually valid? a jury has reached a decision. we will tell you all about it, next. time selling to carvana. you just enter your license plate or your vin,n, answer a few questions.

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gifts, luxury travel, now book sales. the supreme court has been under fire as of late and you probably have noticed. all over behavior justices made off the bench. you've heard about clarence thomas and john roberts, but now questions about sonia so to minor. her aides reportedly demanding that colleges and universities by more of her books with event with her. -- legal affairs correspondent for npr. nina, i'm so glad to see you. i have to tell you we have been booking and hearing about the supreme court and the disapproval now the -- about the trust and institution. the cloud is growing and the drip, drip, drip is not stopping. what is the impact on a court

that used to help such high regard? >> well, you know, there are gradations of all of these issues and i think that justice thomas is on one end, some of the other justices are more or less on the other end. but people understand that the court has a very special place, and if they are suddenly getting gifts from people and very special treatment and being showered with attention and vacations and invitations from very wealthy people, the average american, even the average moderately wealthy american, understands that that is not a good look for the court. it looks like they are being, if not bought and paid for, it least they may have what we all have, which is we tend to

believe our friends. we tend to favor the views of friends. we cannot believe that they would do something inappropriate or wrong. for most americans this does not look good. >> nina, you're right about the gradation and all take a step back and speak in more generalities obviously for that reason because each this is a case and reason is very distinct. but critics, particular on the left, have been calling for reform and for a long time about athletes and regulations. neither congress or the court itself was primed to make any changes. we do see some discussions happening in congress right now, but the idea of the supreme court saying that we are going to change our ethical guidelines, our reporter disclosure and match the other article three judges, does not seem to be happening. at least with the will of the supreme court. is there a course correction on the horizon? >> it certainly does not look that way. i think it is apparent to, most of us who cover the court, that

the chief justice would like to create some sort of an ethics code. i don't know whether it would be satisfactory to you or me, but it would it least be an ethics code. and he clearly does not have the votes to do that. i think at this point it is more than just one or two people, it may be more than that. he may not even have the majority of people who want to really sit down and try to hammer out an ethics code. and the reasons for that are multitudinous and we do not have the time to discuss them, but unless he has the votes, really the votes, and probably more than 54, he cannot get it done. he is the only member of the court that, as far as i can tell, declares every gift imaginable. lists every real estate transaction of any kind, doesn't give much in the way of

speeches and the way that he gives our for obvious reasons they are four major universities on the rare occasion or the american law institute. he is really the only one, and even he has come into criticism because his wife is a recruiter for a law firm. >> thinking about that, it seems that nobody either has clean hands or the hint of propriety in all of this, it does not bode well for how we looked at the supreme court. but maybe there is change on the horizon. nina totenberg another day we will have a longer conversation, thank you so much. >> ahead everyone, a big day on the hill tomorrow as the fbi director is sitting in the hot seat. john berman and cnn tonight at the top of the hour, but first is aretha franklin's hand written will valid? the jury decided, we will tell you what they said next. before you decide...

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-- the ruling today that the hand written 2014 will in the late singer aretha franklin's couch is the valid one. the verdict brings in and the more than four-year family battle over franklin's estate. 2014 document was one of two wheels at the heart of the legal dispute, the other was from 2010 and was found in a cabin in your home. aretha flanker died in 2018 of cancer. let's talk more about this case of litigation attorney scott bolden. it's good to see you here, to lean on your expertise. first of all, is this right decisions the jury came to the conclusion of? was >> there were two will, that the 2014 will and the 2010

will and under michigan law it is -- when you have to wills and one is dated later is the one that you have ought to go by. here, lots of facts and witnesses and what have you, but the 2014 document had several initials and several signatures on it from the queen of soul and it was the right decision by the jury. i am surprised that he got this far, they mediated and there is no references in the media, at least the reports i read, of witnesses to either one of these documents. that you can have a holographic will under michigan law, and that's what we had here, but it's a shame that the family members could not work it out in mediation, but most importantly, that she and her advisers did not do estate planning like so many celebrities -- >> we keep hearing about this don't we? >> they essentially drive this narrative of a family dispute from the grave because when they are alive there advisers simply didn't work it out. whether you make $100,000 a year or thousand dollars a year or millions a year, you have

got to do your estate planning. put your assets in a trust or create a will, secure it, make sure it is legal, and your lawyer or accountant or even someone in your family who your trust is going to be the executor is the one who needs to have that will. there are no dispute, no litigation whatsoever. >> you do hate have a sea -- of not top of the monetary legacy having a basic readout. a really important point that you raise, even if you are not with the multi million dollar of the queen of soul, the impact it is important nonetheless. it's great to have your expertise. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> scott bolden everyone. cnn tonight starts right now with john berman. >> thank you so much. tonight, joe biden is going to bed without suffer. the trump team asked the judge to pencil in a trial for sometime around never, and white nationalists are racist. see senator tuberville really not that hard to say. i'm john berman and here is cn