got to do your estate planning. put your assets in a trust or create a will, secure it, make sure it is legal, and your lawyer or accountant or even someone in your family who your trust is going to be the executor is the one who needs to have that will. there are no dispute, no litigation whatsoever. >> you do hate have a sea -- of not top of the monetary legacy having a basic readout. a really important point that you raise, even if you are not with the multi million dollar of the queen of soul, the impact it is important nonetheless. it's great to have your expertise. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> scott bolden everyone. cnn tonight starts right now with john berman. >> thank you so much. tonight, joe biden is going to bed without suffer. the trump team asked the judge to pencil in a trial for sometime around never, and white nationalists are racist. see senator tuberville really not that hard to say. i'm john berman and here is cnn

tonight, or very nearly tomorrow, which was when we could learn when these two top prosecutors were doing at a federal courthouse and washington, d.c.. it is the courthouse where the grand jury has been hearing testimony in the special counsel's investigation into donald trump's actions surrounding january six. it has been a busy courthouse, which has heard from a long list of witnesses that you can see right there on the screen, including mike pence and rudy giuliani. seeing activity at the courthouse is not unusual, seeing these two top lawyers from the special counsel jack smith's team there, is. and it is a lot of speculation that maybe they are inching closer to a charging decision. tonight we are going to get the insider's guide of what to look for in how to figure out if new indictments are coming. of course there already have been indictments and the other half of the special counsel's world, the mar-a-lago documents case, and now trump's team has told a federal judge when they think the trial should happen. later, they sa, much later.

and, if they get their way, maybe never. quote, there is simply no question that any trial of this action during the dependencyf a presidential election will impact both the outcome of the election and, importantly, the ability of the defendants to get a fair trial. dependency, by the way, for folks like me who have never seen the word, means it is coming. the election is coming. news you can use. trump is asking to wait until after the election, so too is his eighth or body man he is called sometimes, walt nauta. they write mr. nauta's job requires him to accompany president trump during most campaign trips around the country. requires? he needs to be there. as we sometimes ask our kids when they say they need ice the judge will decide.or want? now, finally, the lawyers argue that there is no ongoing threat to national security or any concern regarding continued criminal activity.

a federal judge will have to decide if that is true about guy who, after all, is being charged in the way that he handles secrets. whether you agree with the filing or not, all of this is likely good lawyering. a trial delayed is a trial that could die, as in never happen if trump wins. first, the action that we saw today and what it might mean for tomorrow, joining us with his legal decoder ring, cnn senior legal analyst elliott -- these two trump top lawyer from the special counsel jack smith's team are spotted at the courthouse where the grand jury has been working. our eagle eyed journalists who are there say that these two lawyers are not usually there. why might the top people be there now? >> it's a good catch by our reporters and this requires, by the way, a disclaimer. we're talking about grandeur, we don't know what is happening behind closed doors but let me give you a couple reasons in my experience why we might be seeing these two senior

lawyers. one, it could be that they have divided up the labor, certain lawyers are handling certain witnesses and typically you are more sensitive when more difficult witnesses would be handled by him or senior attorneys. the other possibility is that when you get to the end of a presentation, as a prosecutor, and you are ready to ask the grand jury for an indictment, you have to present to them the trump indictment. you begin the charges then you have to instruct them on the law and it's a really important that you do that just right because, if you mess up, if you skipped an element, that charge is going to be thrown out way down the line. so, bob does make it involved at that point as well. >> normally the talk of people who are there to present the indictment. you would -- >> especially in a high stakes case. >> the special counsel's not the person who would be there, it's the top lawyers in this office. >> that's normal to, you never see the u.s. attorney, the boss of each office they, would not go in on a big case. but you would have a unit supervisor type person. >> elliott, we saw indictments in the mar-a-lago documents case and there were some signals before it came that it

might happen. what are those signals? what should look for that might point to a charging decision? >> the first thing you want to ask is does it look like they have talked to everyone relevant, and i think in this case we saw that -- it's hard to think of someone they haven't spoken to. mike pence, brad raffensperger, to rudy giuliani down the line. that is sort of necessary but not necessarily sufficient. one indicator is, remember before the mar-a-lago indictment, i think it was about three days before, we saw there was this meeting where prosecutors were saying to defense lawyers last chance, you can try to convince. as trump lawyers went in on a monday and the indictment happened on thursday. we have not heard reporting that that has happened yet as to the january 6th case, with respect president donald trump or anybody. you don't have to give that meeting as a prosecutor, but typically you would in a case like this and we do know they did the first time. >> you don't have to give the meeting, typically would, but you don't always have to tell people about the meeting and we don't know where that information came from but last time we learn to tap and sometimes it's a secret. >> last time we saw trump's

lawyers walking in the building, but they -- let's do it on the phone, let's do it by zoom, let's do it by 30 some third person's office where katelyn polantz is not going to be camped out and see is walking in. >> to be clear there are more people potentially who could be charged here than were charged in the documents case, where is just trump and walt nauta. there are more people, maybe there is are more meetings to take place. >> potentially dozens of people here could be in jeopardy legally, both in doj and fulton county. so we tend to focus very heavily on donald trump, but let's remember there is a lot of other people who did, essentially, the same thing or some subset of what donald trump did. so yes, it could be anyone. >> if they charge, there could be more than one person charged. i want to ask you about another legal development that happened today that have a lot of importance going forward. this has to do with the second e. jean carroll defamation lawsuit, which has not gone to trial just yet. the u.s. justice department, the current justice department, has decided it is no longer

going to assert that donald trump had immunity, a type of immunity for his actions in this case. i hope i described that the right way. explain to me exactly what that means. >> you've got. there are two e. jean carroll lawsuits, the one that already has been tried, which resulted in the verdict mostly for e. jean carroll, $5 million, that related to statements donald trump made after he left the presidency because we do not have the sort of complicated immunity issues. the one that is still pending, and that you're talking about now, relates to statements he made while president. the question is, if doj determines that those statements were made in the course of the official duties of being president, then doj will represent you and they will have the case thrown out on basis of immunity. donald trump's doj under bill barr made the controversial decision, yes, donald trump's comments about e. jean carroll or part of his job as president and the more surprising part is when merrick garland dug in for the biden administration, he

agreed. that was part of his official job. but now the doj has reversed that and said, given some of the evidence that came out in the first trial and given some of trump's subsequent statements, they've actually now reversed themselves and said not in the course of his duties, will not represent him and he is not gonna be able to get rid the case on amini. >> the justice department would, in theory, say that about a past president. say it is protected because of the office of the presidency, not necessarily the specifics of what happened. >> merrick garland wasn't, i don't accuse tried to donald trump a favor there. the doj was being protective, may be over protective of the institution itself. >> elie honig, great to see you, keep that decoder ring safe. >> always calling on. it >> i want to now move to this filing from the trump legal team to delay the trial in the mar-a-lago case. i want to bring a former trump white house lawyer, jim scholz into the discussion. jim, it's great to see you. i said this is likely good lawyering to ask for a delay in this trial until after the election. kind of like a slam dunk for

any lawyer. why is this something that any lawyer would push for? >> look, they are going to ask for a delay, particularly in this case because of all of the things that are coming up. there is an opportunity, if this thing gets delayed, there is an opportunity for, let's say, donald trump becomes president. there is an opportunity there for donald trump. let's say he is then a candidate for office, it gets through the primary, becomes a candidate for office. another opportunity for delay there. if he becomes president there is the issue of pardon, he has talked about pardons in the past, so of course they are going to try to delay, delay, delay here. not only for that but also, just to continue this down the line. remember, a trial may just, throughout this timeframe, may just tie him up for his campaign so there is a political reason there as well. >> i mean, if you have a 50% chance of winning the presidency, even if it's a 40% chance of winning the presidency, and you can pardon yourself, it seems like a good

thing to go for it to delay the case until you might win the presidency even if you only have that chance. to that end, judge aileen cannon, the federal judge here a trump appointee, this is a big decision for her. if she decides to delay the trial until after the election there is a significant chance that the trial never happens. how do you think she will approach this? >> so, look, i think, to a certain extent, she has got a ton of criticism on one of her rulings and the documents case earlier. and we all know about that, we all heard about that. you know, that is definitely going to be in the back of her mind as she is considering this. now, there is this issue of the campaign and the fact that walt nada needs to be with him on the campaign, the fact that there is an upcoming election, but there is also issues related to the lawyers being involved in her own cases. i think those are ones that she is likely to grab, i don't think that the long term extension that they are asking for, but i think she is going to be very careful and very

hard pressed, given the criticism that she had the last time to extend this thing out beyond the election. i don't see it happening. >> if you're one of the other candidates running against donald trump and the republican primary, which outcome would you want? would you want this delight until after the election or would you want the trial to happen? >> look, the bottom line, this is out of their control. this is right at the feet of the judge in this case. now, how it impacts them politically depends. if he comes out of this and he doesn't get convicted and comes out much stronger, then they will say, well, we might have -- the way. if he loses the case, well, then of course they are going to. if he loses the case, then perhaps he is out of the race. who knows? but i think it is a crapshoot one way or the other. there are largely a lot of them,

except for governor christie, are going to remain silent on the issue. >> walt nauta, by the way, does he really need to be on the campaign trail? i mean, is walt nauta the kind of guy that you could replace if you had to? >> look, i think, they are going to make arguments that that is his way of making a living and he needs to be on the campaign trail for his own benefit. but we will see how the judge handles that as well, i think that will all shake out as part of, do they really want to extend this thing out beyond the election, just a judge really want to extend this thing out beyond the election or not? and i think, like i said, you are going to see the lawyers tied up on other cases, or -- you might see. that is a huge win for the former president if they extended out that far. >> jim schultz, now we know what to look for. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> president biden did not attend the nato head of state dinner, saying it was to prepare for a big speech tomorrow. some people say that this points to the limitations of his age.

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>> tonight, new data that shows your next president could be chosen by oscar the grouch. >> who is kicking my can? >> not literally oscar the grouch, because puppets don't have the franchise, but people like oscar, heaters of a sort, political haters, at least. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ i love trash! >> according to e latest cnn poll, more america vw neither joe biden nor donald trump favorably, more people view them unfavourably and then

those who held favorable views of either man. in other words, i don't like them is beating i like either of them. i don't like them has a plurality. political misanthrope are you a power block. how comparable are you with ebenezer scrooge being a plurality? >> that, humbug! >> no, not literally scrooge, because his british ended, but people like scrooge. analysts call this group double heaters. they matter a lot, just because there are more than, but they can be decisive. in 2016, double haters, people who didn't like either trump or hillary clinton and that was a favor of donald trump and a big part of his win, double haters. the french existentialist john paul star trek famously said heck is other people. it's like star trek is now the swing vote. now, not sarte litally,

because his french ended, but voters who hate at they see. for the record, according to the average of the last quinnipiac polls, biden is currently winning the sartre double hater vote. so, what does that mean? joining us now in the spirit of hatred is cnn senior data reporter harry enten, and mark mccannan, a former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain, an executive producer of the circus. gentlemen, thank you. and just make you hate me, i want to put these questions in the form of multiple choice. harry enten, what did these double haters, people who say they hate biden and hate trump, actually want? a, more options in the two major parties, b, a third party option c, just to get something off their chest, in other words, they're just complainers, or d, don't know or can't say. >> you know, i played this game last night, and i find this multiple choice thing to somewhat be difficult. i prefer essays, long essays,

and like to filibuster a little bit. look, i think a lot of them like to complain. i do think that's part of it. but i do know there's nobody else, right. if you look at all the other candidates that have any sort of name recognition, who have any real shot of winning either of the two major party nominations, they as well are underwater. so, they may want more choices, but who are those choices may be? is it some special person, up in the clouds, someone who could come down, like in a hologram and be fantastic? that person does not exist. but i will say if you look back through history and you look at elections in the early going, both candidates were underwater, there is a higher probability of let's say a third party candidate perhaps catching fire. and of course, by catching fire, i mean maybe getting 5% of the vote. >> what do they, want mark mckinnon? >> i'd say d, all the above, john. all the things he listed. but the biggest problem for both these candidates is that more than 75%, i think the numbers actually 86% of american voters think that both of these candidates are too old

to be president. that's a big problem for both of them. and the irony is that in 2020, joe biden may have been the only democrat that could beat biden. but because of his age, just four years later, he may be the only democrat they can lose to trump. so, it's a real quandary for both candidates because voters don't like the the dogs -- neither one of them like the options, and they're looking for a different choice. >> you know, we will get to the age thing in a second. but mark, if you haters are your target audience, voters who hate everybody, you've taught campaigns before, how do you try to appeal to them? or just try to make them hate the other guy more? >> well, generally, it's a matter of, you know, try to demonize the other guy, because the fact is the problem for biden is that age is not something he can really do something about. a huge percent of americans have concerns about his mental

or physical capabilities, and how do you prove that when you're 80, and you're only getting older? there is nothing you can do about that to fix it. and you sure as hell can't be skipping out on dinners and taking the louann platter at the 5:00 early dinner and skipping out. that just reinforces what peoples perceptions are of your problem. you've got reinforce that you've got some bigger, if you're going to run at 80, and then you sure as hell got to go to dinner, at least. >> let me do this in the control room. let me skip ahead, because i actually have something i want to bring up about joe biden and this dinner, this nato meeting he skipped a head of state dinner. now, to be fair, the white house says he's got a very big day tomorrow, and he wants to deal with the speech and get ready for that. so, my multiple choice question to you, obviously, given that skipping the dinner brings up a question about his age, you know, what is the best way for joe biden to deal with questions about his age? is it, a, deny it? b, ignore it? but c, joke about it?

or d, what i like to call, you know, feats of strength, like, he mysteriously ended up on the beach of rehoboth shirtless, and you look pretty good for an 80 year old guy, so, what's the best way for him to deal with it, mark? >> so, i think it's got to be d. you just have to show people that despite the fact that your old, that you are mentally equipped, physically capable, that you can stay up late. i mean, listen, you're running the free world, it's the most important job in the universe. and in order to do that, you've got to show that you're at least able to stay up late, for god sake. >> just to be clear -- >> listen, you've got to be harrison ford, right? you've got to show that you can still do it, and 80 is the new 60, or 80 is the new 50. >> he's not watching matlock tonight. we are told he's getting ready. and finally, harry, i just want to end with this, which is obviously senator tommy tuberville has gone on this bizarre twisting odyssey since kaitlan collins talked him last night. he now does say that white

nationalists are racist. but it took him a long time to get to that. take a listen. >> people think that a white nationalist is racist, i agree with that, i agree that they -- >> a white nationalist is someone who believes the white race is superior to other races. >> well, that's some peoples opinion. and i don't think -- >> it's not an opinion. >> pardon? >> what's your opinion? >> my opinion of a white nationalist, i don't call them white nationalist, it's an american, it's an american. now, if that white nationalists is a racist, i am totally against anything that they want to do. >> all right, harry enten, to that and, multiple choice here. white nationalism is, a, racist, b, racist, c, racist, d, all of the above. >> i d, all of the above. i can only help that the senior center from alabama is to get, because the fact is the other alternative is very, very bad. >> harry enten, mark mckinnon, great to see both of you, thank you very much for being with us

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>> it was one of the most notorious and gruesome crime wave in american history, and many look at it as the unofficial end of the peace and love 1960s. the manson families killing spree in august 1969 at the direction of charles manson himself, a murderous the rampage borne of twisted inspiration, they claim, by the

beatles song healthier skelter, which manson claims predicted a race war. five people, included pregnant actor john, kate -- rome plans, keith the next, night super market executive -- and -- were murdered in their los angeles home. 19 year old leslie was van houten convicted for her role in the killings of the lobby aukus. she was behind bars for 53 years, denied release over and over again until now. van houten was released on parole from a california prison today, and her lawyer, and cto joins me now. counselor, very nice to see you. this has been five decades in the making for your client. how, what, is she doing tonight? >> well, she was released to parole this morning, as everyone knows, and she's in a transitional living facility. she'll be there for a year, and she will be on parole for three

years. right now, i think she's just relaxing at the location of the transitional living facility is confidential, but she said she's just trying to get used to the idea that she is no longer in prison after all these decades, and just acclimate to her life outside of prison. >> you know, what do you say to those people who look at the headlines from this that read something along the lines of vincent family killer, member of the manse in, family part of murder's tree is released, and some of those are outraged, what do you say to them? >> well, she was initially tried and convicted along with charles manson and the others, both nights of the murderer tried together. she was convicted, she was sentenced to the death penalty. however, her conviction was reversed. the california court of appeal found in effective assistance of counsel. so, that judgment of conviction

was reversed. she is tried a second time, and it was 100. she was tried a third time, and the subsequent trials were without manson any others, just her alone. and she received an indeterminate life sentence. so, what that means that she, according to due process, has -- she has a reasonable chance of achieving parole. and it's not easy to get parole grants in california. it has taken her five decades. but i understand why people, certainly the victims, family members of the victims, feel he motional about this and want retribution, but that's not the law. the law says she has the right to achieve parole if she -- the standard. and the standard is that she no longer poses a danger to society, to the public. and she met that standard by working -- for five decades, she wasn't therapy for 40 years. she took what's called rehabilitative programming courses in prison, which focus

on insight, they focus on responsibility, they focus on remorse, and she has, she has achieved that to the satisfaction of the parole board. so, therefore, because she meets the standard of rural, she's no longer dangerous. due process requires that should be released on parole. >> you mentioned her role in those two nights and what she was convicted of. it is something she has spoken about, frankly, including on cnn some years ago. let me play a little bit of that buzz. >> i went in a -- and i said we were not able to kill her. and then tex went in the bedroom, and patton went into the living room, and i went and i stood in the hallway. and then, tex turned me around, and he handed me a night, and he said do something. so, i went in, and this is while labianca was laying on

the floor, and i stabbed her. >> where? >> in the lower back, around 16 times. >> so, how do you prove that you've changed from that person? but >> that is a good question. we are not proving that she was innocent. she has to enhanced an accepted full responsibility for the crime. and since then, she has, as i said, she's gone through courses to confront what she did to take responsibility for what she did. she's had -- in order to gain parole in california, not only do you have to go through, this rehabilitating programming, you have to go through psych evaluations, which are very rigorous. she spent 40 years in the psych evaluation saying that she's not a danger to society. also, what has to be factored into it, was she was 19 years old when she fell under the influence of charles manson. and law has subsequently -- social sciences has

subsequently learned that your brain does not mature in till your 26. so, because of that, the image her brain, operates under what we call the hallmark features of you, such as impulsivity, inability to appreciate consequences, falling, falling under the influence of dominant periods, those sorts of things. so, that has to be factored into it as well. and also, it assumes that someone as young as her has a greater chance of rehabilitation. and she, through this course work, through her many, many therapy sessions, through her five, no, actually, she appeared before the board 21 times before the board finally granted her parole in 2016. and she's had five subsequent rounds of parole since then. so, there is, as the california court of appeal found, when it reversed or vacated the governor's fourth reversal, there is not a modicum of

evidence in her record that shows that she today is a current risk of danger to society. there just is not. >> well, it is a true moment in history. we appreciate you being with us tonight, councillor. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> fbi director christopher wray probably has a case of the sunday series tonight, even though it's only tuesday, because in just a few hours, he testifies in front of a republicans who don't want him to have a job at all. pre-action to tomorrow's hearing that hasn't happened yet, that's next. good checkup? no, great checkup! [laughs] nailed it again! keep up the good work! for eat checkups, crest has you coved because crest pro-alth protects 100% of your mouth for 24 hours. look, ma! no cavities! crest.

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tonight, or seen and very nearly tomorrow, as i like to call it. and fbi director christopher wray might be wishing tomorrow never comes, or at a minimum, if it does come, that he didn't get a signal from his doctor. in a few hours, wray has been invited to appear at an opening here before the house judiciary committee which might feel like being invited to call to a fat of broken glass. the committee is led by elected republicans, many of whom don't seem to like ray very much. >> would you fire christopher wray? >> day one. >> no, i would not keep chris wray of the director of fbi, there be a new one on day, one i think that's very important. >> how dare christopher wray have the audacity to hide this information for his boss, joe biden. this is, this is purely protecting crimes, he's hiding crimes the president of the united states committed when he was vice president. >> we all know the fbi is

plagued by political bias. you see it almost daily. every one of us ought to have confidence in the fbi solving crimes, not interfering in elections and interfering in investigations. >> so, who wouldn't want to spend some quality time with people who feel that way about you? it is worth noting that ray was actually nominated by a republican president, one who many republicans do seem to like, namely donald j trump. more broadly, the fbi and justice department have become targets because republicans say they have been politicized, and among other things, and did not take the hunter biden investigation serious enough. they're here to, it is worth noting that the republican important overseeing that case is refuting a couple claims that republicans have been pushing, he said he did not ask to be named as a special counsel, and was never refused authority to bring charges anyone the country. those relevant --

revelations unlikely to change the tenor of the hearing in a few hours, which is likely to include a fair amount of loud sounds. so, there is a lot of noise, but what is the reality, what's behind all of the shouting? that question to my friend, cnn senior justice correspondent evan perez. >> well, john, the republicans ability that the -- belief that the fbi has been politicized, they believe that the fbi is against conservatives. of course, for you and me, who have been dealing with the fbi over the years, certainly, knowing a lot of people that work at the fbi, this is far from a left wing communist organization that, you know, is being portrayed by republicans on capitol hill. but that's the reality of where we are right now, is that republicans believe that, certainly in the last couple of years, the fbi has been helping or prodding social media companies to censor the views of conservatives, for instance. and they've spent a lot of time

investigating that. they believe that the fbi has been certainly biased against donald trump, and against republicans in general. that is far from the reality that the fbi response to. they say that these investigations have been doing, especially of donald trump, and certainly of january 6th are not about conservatives, they're about people who break the law, right, and that's what they have been going after. and as far as the criticism of, you know, their work with social media companies to try to get down some of the disinformation, they say it has nothing to do with conservative views, they say they are just telling these social media companies here are some violations, potential violations, of your own terms of services. so, that's what they say they are going to go after at the fbi director during this testimony. >> so, evan, what can we expect, based on your reporting?

what can we expect from fbi director wray tomorrow? >> well, he's going to try to focus on the work that the fbi is doing, beyond the big headline investigations of course, donald trump and, and the things related to january 6th. you know, the fbi does hundreds of thousands of investigations, a lot of it having to do with things like trying to get fentanyl off the streets of america, trying to investigate the efforts of the chinese to try to steal american technology, things that matter to, they believe, the fbi believes, to everybody around the country, not having to do with the political side of things. so, you're gonna hear a lot from chris wray trying to focus the attention on all of the other work that the fbi does that has nothing to do with politics. >> they're going to come at him swinging fists, and he's been to focus on the other stuff? >> that's exactly what he's trying to do. >> so, evan, i also want to ask about david weiss, who is the u.s. attorney who is in charge

of the hunter biden investigation. as we said, and you reported on, he came out and said that certain things that were being said about him were simply not true. he is now the focus of a new attack from former president donald trump. what is being said here? >> well, you know, david weiss, of course, is now in the next couple of weeks, is going to sign officially this deal with the hunter biden. and republicans believe that it is a sweetheart deal, because he's going to plead guilty to misdemeanors. donald trump, on truth social, his social media platform, said this, he said weiss is a coward, a smaller version of bill barr, who never had the courage to do what everyone knows should have been done. he gave out a traffic ticket instead of a death sentence. he goes on, again, on his platform, saying the collusion and corruption is beyond description. to tears of justice, of course, referring to the fact that obviously the justice

department has been a lot more harsh in its investigations of donald trump then on under biden, at least according to donald trump. here's the thing, you know, the republicans are, i think, going to spend a lot more time focusing on this investigation. what they have so far come up with has been a lot less than they were expecting or what they were promising. david weiss says that this has not been politicized, and he is a trump appointee, after all. so, we'll see, john, where this goes in the coming weeks. but you can expect that republicans are going to bring in david weiss to testify on capitol hill to answer some more these questions. >> evan perez, thank you for that, and thank you for the pre-action to the events that will see on capitol hill in just a few hours. great to see you. >> you too, thanks. >> the mega millions drawing in just happened, a multi zillion dollar jackpot up for grabs. now, there are serious reasons why you don't want to weigh in. we have a lawyer to explain

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but what should be a positive experience can turn into a negative one, when spouses or coworkers are involved. serious disputes arise and threaten the winners future. who wants their future threatened? joining me now is kurt by nooses, he is a lottery attorney and cpa councillor. great to see you. what's the biggest mistake people make when it comes to the lottery? >> well, good evening, and thank you for having me. i would say the biggest mistake is really going forward with claiming the ticket without putting a plan in place. i think by that type of planning, we're talking about anonymity. all of these issues were you hear about people going through money or claims against them is all based on whether or not they claimed it anonymously. and so, i go out of my way for the clients to make sure that we take the precautions to keep that circle as small as possible, and to allow for anonymity, because i think that's really the key.

>> congratulations on winning the jackpot. now you get to be no one. that's a problem for people who win, and what happens after. there are some problems that take place prior to the actual drawing. i get most my legal information from the hit show friends now streaming on max. here's a clip from that. >> you know what, i want my share of the tickets. >> yeah, i want my tickets as well. >> and i'm buying the knicks, and stuffy graph. >> i want mine to, and if i win, i'm going to put it all into a very low yield bond. >> you guys, we've got to keep all the tickets together. >> no, we should divide them up, and i should get extra because we used my card to buy them. >> so, what problems come from these lottery pools, or adjoining with your friends, or even, god forbid, your wife? >> well, there is always issues whenever you have lottery

pools. i always tell people with pools, there is always a deep and, and with the pens, there's dangers. so, you often make sure that you get all of your documentation in place if you're going to have a pool. again, i'm not a fan of pools, i think that there's always someone left out. that person will always be the person that says, hey, i should have been included. i played seven times in a row, got left out one time, someone should've put the money in for me. so, it ruins a lot of friendships. i don't like all these pools, people still do them. but even when groups, small groups, you have to be careful. again, have a plan in place, have something running. but basically, even with a spouse, that's the only person someone should tell if they have a winning ticket, is just that spouse and make a copy of the ticket, and put it in a safe place, do not sign the back of the ticket, because it makes my job easier as a attorney, the anonymous relationship there. >> a public service

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