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it like a karaoke moment -- you've got to applaud that. >> -- thanks so, much laura coates, appreciate it. so, rudy giuliani texting his way into trouble and donald trump singing no, no, no, like destiny's child, and the secret service driving that train will brief on cocaine. i am john berman. and this is "cnn tonight" -- or, as i like to call it, cnn very nearly two more. because there is new news tonight on legal jeopardy for rudy giuliani, a new campaign drama surrounding the ultra. but before what just happened, what will happen. tomorrow. pretty early, in fact. the secret service is expected to say what it know is about the cocaine found in the white house. not since willie nelson smoked a joint on the white house roof have drugs inside 1600 pennsylvania avenue raised so many questions. by the way, it will email something really happened. jimmy carter confirmed it. the cocaine situation has been way more mysterious and the source of way more wild and

baseless speculation, and lead to way too many bad puns, many of which crossed the line. sorry. this is what we know. about ten days ago, what law enforcement described as a sized bag of cocaine was found in the west wing. s th meant to say dime bag. it was foua cuy near the ground floor entrance, were through.ided tours ps visitors were asked to leave their phones in those counties, but they can also be used by staff who cannot bring their phones into a scale for classified materials are handled. and that is all we know. republicans in congress want to know more. the secret service has been investigating and we will brief them in a few hours. joining me now is cnn law enforcement analyst jonathan wacrow -- and tyler pager, a reporter for the washington post. -- we are talking about the white house. this is the most secure and monitored place on earth. how can it be so hard to figure

out who is dime sized bag of cocaine this actually is. what do you say to that? >> you know, it's not just a lay person. it's actually members of congress that are asking the exact same question. that's why the house committee -- house oversight committee is really in the right here to actually hold this and ask for this briefing from the director of the secret service. you have arguably one of the most secure locations in the united states, having the substance brought in. now, this is a criminal act bringing this contraband in. but it was not when it was discovered, when it was first discovered the secret service we acted as a threat, that there was white powder, not knowing whether or not this was anthrax or rison, and took those immediate actions. now we know it was confirmed that it is cocaine. and they are leading that investigation now to make attribution as to who did it. however, john berman, i know, after all of this time, we still don't know whether or not the investigators have figured

out who actually brought a substance into the white house. >> -- any sense of why it's so hard to figure this out? >> actually, there's a few reasons. one is that you have to think about where isubstance was. found it was on the ground floor of the west wing of the white house, over the weekend. now, the specific location is what i referred to as the crossroads of the white house. you have white house staff members, west wing staff members, military, secret service, and senior leaders of the administration all passing through this one location, whether it is to do business in the west wing or access the white house situation room, which was just feet away from these cubbies. and the reason why those cubbies exist is because you cannot bring cell phones into that secure facility. now, complicating matters, you also had west wing tours. these are like the ip tours that are held off hours and on weekends. so, there was a lot of people

that could be potential suspects in this. making matters worse, there is no real cameras inside of this location for a variety of security reasons. so, absent of forensic evidence, which is latent fingerprints on this -- the plastic of the bag, dna evidence, or video evidence, it is going to be really hard to make direct attribution as to brought this in. >> tyler, give us a sense, if you have any, of how much the secret service is likely to reveal to congress tomorrow, and how satisfied that will make these republican members of congress -- largely republican -- members of congress. >> yeah, based on conversations i've had with white house sources and people in the secret service, they have been downplaying their ability to find a suspect, or whoever brought in this cocaine to the white house, saying, for all the reasons just laid out, that it is difficult for them to exactly pinpoint who's cocaine this was. and so i think that is going to frustrate republicans. we have already seen top

republicans in the senate and the house sent letters to the secret service, demanding more answers, and also asking questions about how the substance in the first place was able to pass security into the white house. every person that goes into the white house at any given point has to pass through airport tight security, wanted down by secret service and -- do a security check. so those questions not only about who brought the cocaine in but what are the protocols in place and how they might need to change to prevent this from happening again. >> yeah, and it's actually more difficult to get in then in an airport. the security is a little tighter than an airport. so it, does raise the questions about how it got there. tyler pager, any sense of how seriously the white house itself is taking this? how much of an issue did they see it at this point? >> look, the white house is being very differential to the white house secret service -- and is doing a thorough

investigation while downplaying any national security concerns. it is correct that the situation room is normally located on the ground floor of the white house. it is currently under renovation. so, it has been moved to the office building across the street from the white house, the eisenhower executive office building. so, white house staff are saying that they are not pleased someone's able to bring in an illicit drug. the president and his family were at camp david and -- protect the president and his family. so, it does not seem that this has raised the threat level at the white house. but i think there are general concerns about the ability for people to bring in any sort of illicit substance into the white house. >> jonathan wackrow -- the secret service, it's their job to protect the president of the united states. how do you think that they perceive this issue? and if you don't mind me asking, how do you think they look back on willie nelson smoking pot on the roof? is that the type of thing that the circuit service are like,

oh, you know, it happens? >> no. actually, it's not something they are -- they are taking this very seriously. and the reason -- it's a crime. this was a criminal act. you brought contraband, illegal substance, into a secure facility. now -- but that's a big point. it's a criminal act. it's not a threat. so, when you look at what this substance was, it was not a chemical biological agent that could impact the complex. it could not harm the president. so, the secret service has to explain tomorrow in the hearing the difference between investigating a criminal act and actually addressing and mitigating a threat. and i think that people are associating, just because it is a small white bag, they say, well, if i can get this contraband in, then i can bring an anthrax or the types of substances. that is incorrect. because the secret service, actually, from a threat perspective, as a very comprehensive program of monitoring for those types of threats. for the criminal acts --

now, listen -- i think at the end of the day, the director is going to have to tell congress what they are going to do in terms of protocol and process for screening, to look for these criminal elements. but from a threat perspective, secret service did everything right. all the protocols worked. they just don't work in relation to this type of contraband. >> gentlemen, thank you so much. we may learn more in just a few hours. >> thank you. >> in the meantime, this is not a good night to be rudy giuliani. new court filings in the defamation lawsuit brought by to georgia election workers who say giuliani smear them after the election showed that the trump team failed to do even the most basic vetting of the election they were -- and not even see this as necessary. this is a text that giuliani received. d itas revealed as evidence in the. t ca from trump lawyers epstein on december 7th, 2020. it readsne best examples of election fra that we have alleged.

that is super easy to explain. doesn't necessarily have to be proven -- but it does need to be easy to understand. doesn't need to be proven. now if giuliani responded about his poll worker theory, you will remember former deputy white house press secretary sarah matthews told us a few nights ago. >> personally, i did not have any interactions with giuliani, but i think that myself and some of my other colleagues have found him to be a bit of a joke. >> now, however you do view him, he is smack in the middle of multiple legal messes. so, let's bring in cnn senior legal analyst elie honig -- that exchange with boris epstein doesn't necessarily need to be proven. how problematic is that for this case, but many in the case of the surrounding giuliani? it's a big problem for rudy

giuliani. in the first, case at this one a stream ending this month -- they alleged that you have to prove two things. one, he lied about them. which he clearly did. he accused them of election fraud, they did no such thing. and second, what they call actual malice, meaning they knew he was lying. or he was reckless. and that text right there, where someone tells him that these things that you're talking about we don't need proof we just need to say it, that to me is the definition of recklessness. so they're going to hurt him in that case. bigger picture, he's under a criminal investigation. potentially by doj. we know by the fulton county aid they've notified rudy giuliani, he's a target, one of the things he's under investigation for is allegedly lying to the georgia state legislature about election fraud claims. here is being told, there is no proof of these, things he doesn't care, he plus ahead anyway it's damaging to him on that level two. >> it's going to bigger impact beyond this. and in this defamation case, there is something fairly new about the filing, and what is really about. or these election workers claiming that giuliani hasn't provided anything he's supposed to in discovery. anin the process.

electronic device.a sk all kinds of messages back in. fourth but he was su to turn all the communications over. he didn't. why is that a problem? he >> has nine devices. according to the briefings. any party in the lawsuit has an obligation to turn over relevant information. that the other side request. hear the plane fit -- they didn't get this from rudy. though rudy's team failed to turn this over. they got it from somewhere else, of the plaintiffs. and what the plaintiffs are asking the judge to do here. first of all they say, you should call this case. we win. because this is a serious violation. he's hiding from. us that's a long shot. but they're also asking the judge for what we call an adverse inference. the judge, you should rule as a matter of law that he is hiding these on purpose. and we get to argue that to a jury. >> all right, this is just one thing hanging over rudy giuliani since. he testified for eight hours. answered questions for eight hours to lawyers of the special counsel's office. how do you explain eight hours

of testimony? >> this one is tying my brain in a bit of a. not and i'll tell you. why ordinarily, as doj you would not bring someone in for a voluntary interview if you saw that person as a target. that would be bad faith by the prosecutor. nor would rudy giuliani, a former prosecutor himself, or his lawyer bob costello also former federal prosecutor, no way on earth they bring him for that kind of interview. unless they believe that there's any chance -- bacillus them, i'm not gonna bring rudy in if they might charge him. i'll start with that. but i also don't think that there's any way rudy giuliani would become a co-operator in the proper sense of the term. i could not see east an area where a federal prosecutor for the united states stands up in court and says, our next witness is rudolph june the omni. whatever people may think. he has zero credibility so if they don't seem as a target and they don't seem as a witness what is it the best i could do is this. they're doing their diligence. they're talking to everybody and they see what he has to say there is no harm in doing it from prosecutors point of view

he said something useful and if he is not useful, let him go this way. >> we could find out, very, very soon. >> elie honig, great to see you tonight. >> thanks, i appreciate it. >> so, donald trump saying no, no, no on the campaign trail. is he leading in the polls a, because of that b, in spite of it. c, -- d,. i ask destiny's chilild. ♪ ♪ ♪ ththe biggest ideas inspire new ones. 30 years ago, state street created an etf that inspired the world to invest differently. it still does. what can you do with spy? ♪ ♪

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of destiny's child's he keeps saying no, no, no. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> so, no, no, no two traditional campaigning. but he will like this part. yes, yes, yes toeading in all the polls. just a bit more on the no, no, no part. he is skipping the family leadership on friday, moderated by twitter performer tucker carlson. mike pence is, going tim, haley and, yes rhonda scent is will be there. but trump is a hard no, no, no. likewise, it seems, for the first republican presidential debate. and most notably, trump is saying no to any of the traditional courtesy towards a r iowa governor, tim reynolds, who is staying neutral in the caucuses. trump wrote, quote, i opened up the governor position. and once he fell behind i endorsed her. did big rallies. and she won. now she wants to remain neutral! all caps!

i don't invite her to events. again, destiny's child. ♪ ♪ ♪ so how is it that donald trump can get away with the destiny's child's strategy? well to quote the greek historian, by the, way doing the very seeing sentences destinies child, said the strong do as they will. and the week suffer as they must. trump does this because he can. but here's the question. is he leading in the polls because of this? or in spite of this? joining me now, scott jennings, the cnn senior political commentator and former special assistant george w. bush. also here with us is coleman hughes. host of the conversation with coleman podcast. any contributing writer at the free press. gentlemen, great to see you tonight. let me put that question to you in a form of a multiple choice. donald trump's no, no, no strategy. is he winning a, because of it b, in spite of it c, campaign

rules don't apply to him d, i hate you're stupid multiple choice game. don't pick that one. scott? >> c, campaign rules don't apply to him. he's trying to act like an incumbent. frankly, as democrats are acting. he's not participating in a primary campaign either. and trump wants republican voters to see him as a de facto incumbent. and guess what a lot of republican voters to see him that way because they don't accept any lost elections. so i don't expect him to want to go to events because he wants to be put on a playing field of people that he believes are lesser or that are beneath him. because that's just not the strategy he's running, it's not hurting him. and you know donald trump is like a peanut butter jelly sandwich. he's not gonna change his opinion. at this point, you either like, it or you don't. >> i'm glad you say that because he can get stuck on the roof of your mouth. >> it could be that donald trump thinks he has this advice grip on the republican party and he's banking on that.

and we saw on the midterms in 2022 that a lot of trump endorsed candidates did not do as well as they thought they would. we have seen governors of various states from virginia to new hampshire that actually won more of the vote then donald trump did in those same dates in 2020. so there should be a certain degree that is setting, in where he thinks he's invincible, he thinks he could skip out on iowa. but this leaves an opening for other candidates. >> do you want to take advantage of? it >> while he doesn't have to get 100 percent of the vote. he doesn't even have to get 50%. he won the republican primary in 2016 and the fragmentation in this field is his best defense against what you're talking about. so as long as you have all of these candidates, fighting amongst themselves, and he's floating around between -- even if he were in the mid 40s it would be plenty to win the. race and what someone, probably rhonda scent, maybe tim scott, somebody is trying to do is to get close enough in iowa to keep this a multi person race. i think if trump were to win iowa even by a little in might actually collapse the thing

around him immediately. if he loses iowa, all bets are off. but i think that right now he is way ahead in iowa. >> let's talk about governor chris christie. because a short time ago news just came in right here about christiane ac360. let's listen. >> i'm glad to be able to tell people tonight that last night we went passed 40,000 unique donors in just 35 days. and in the good news i think for the republican party is that we're going to be on the debate stage on august 23rd. >> so the republican candidates need to meet this fundraising threshold to get on the debate stage. kristie is apparently there. other candidates are doing some pretty interesting stuff. doug, bottom is actually offering a 20-dollar gift card for $1 donation trying to get more people to donate. and they're offering people a cut of the money they. raise multiple choice question again. a, these tactics are a evil genius. b, benevolent genius. c, completely bonkers. d, who cares, these people are

going nowhere. >> i'd say be, benevolent genius. because what we have learned from trump's appeal to some extent, bernie sanders appeal, rfk's juniors appeals that voters really want a candidate that can credibly say, i am not taking money from lobbyists, big pharma, big oil and i cannot be bought by the industry. so what these candidates are trying to do is to come up with other clever ways of coming up with the money and in their case they are both independently wealthy. i think a lot of voters are going to look at this and they're going to think what is worse, voting for a candidate who takes money from big pharma are voting for a candidate who comes up with a clever scheme that isn't really hurting anyone and raises money that way? they're going to say i take the latter. >> e, the grading but necessary. because they're trying to respond to -- these and if you're spending $19 per donor to reach the threshold, it's a drop in the bucket i think i read it was

gonna cost him around 800 grand to pull this off. so the calculation has been made and it's worth that much money to get on the debate stage where you could possibly have a break out moment. we've seen in previous cycles people have moment in the debate where they take off for a little bit. i hate this and i do think it's degrading for these candidates but i don't love these rules, frankly. and it's force them to do things that in my opinion are beneath the office they're running for. christopher wray was on capitol hill testifying before the house judiciary committee and it was tense. it was tenth. let's listen. >> are you protecting the bidens? >> absolutely not. >> hold on, will you answer the question about whether or not -- >> the idea that i'm violence against conservative seems somewhat insane to me given my own personal background. the fbi is not in the business of moderating content. were causing any social media company to suppress or sensor. >> all right, this hearing this

was about, a, heat the detention is the point, be, light. exposing something for the american people, a government reform and really changing something or d all of the above. >> i would say, d all of the above. this was a multi hour testimony and you saw every angle. you saw certain people that were really concerned about the civil liberties aspect and the legal fisa warrants and a concern of having the reforms that christopher wray put in on the pfizer ward search systems actually worked. and then you had other people trying to get their ten seconds of fame and hammer him over issues that he had nothing to do with. you've got to understand that he's running an agency with tens of thousands of people. and if one field office sends a memo of attacking catholic parents on their own accord and he thinks it's crazy, somehow now he has to respond to that in congress. so some of it was clearly bad faith and some of it was concerned about civil liberty issues. >> agreed, all of the above.

some of the stuff is serious. and it's seriously on the mind of republican voters. and you saw the republican congressman going up to some of those issues. by the way being a registered republican or haven't been appointed by the republican is not a defense illegitimate government oversight. i thought a lot of this was legitimate oversight. republicans go all the way back to. russia collusion investigation which he said had never been launched and the school board stuff is important to them the idea of censorship and there's some serious issues and i suspect that we get to the republican presidential debate. a lot of this is going to be discussed among the campaign. >> all right, scott coleman. great to see you. thank you for playing. >> i have to say, really appreciated. >> as paul wrote in the new york times today, dude, where is my recession? so what is wrong with this economy anyway that it won't actually be as bad as it was supposed to be?

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tonight, just doesn't. a recession is coming. someday. they're absolutely unequivocally will be a recession on earth eventually. i can sit here with my vast experience and economics which consist of a four-month course and guarantee an economic downturn and i will be right. as right as sally albright in the when harry met sally. >> and i'm going to be 40. >> when? >> someday. >> i mean someday sally will be 40 and some day there will be a recession but that is really not the issue.

from sally or the economy. it turns, out i would've been wrong. anytime in the last few years, if i said a recession was imminent. and that is what people were seeing and the economists and politicians. >> part of that is to get businesses to shift, gear and prepare for a recession. >> it's going to be a tough year. we have high reserve rates and it's raising as fast as they are. recession risks are higher. >> eventually, there's indicators suggesting that we are not only slowing down but we are heading towards a recession. >> that's what people are saying. and it's what people are feeling. polls show that most americans think the economy is in bad shape. and by the, way they blame president biden. but lately, the reality has been anything but bad. the economic data just keeps being pretty darn good. just reminding that the lowest pay since march of 2021, the latest job report shows that they added some 209,000 new jobs, 13.2 million jobs when

they took office. and inflation is slowing, jobs are increasing and the economy is still growing. so why are things so good? and why did everyone get it so wrong? for that we're joined by a man who knows business and the economy. the founding partner at putt news. great to see you. >> like to see you john. >> you talk to a lot of people why do they think that things are good right now? >> well things are actually really good if you're objective about it. unemployment, as you, said is as lowest as it has been. every 3.7%. inflation is coming down rapidly and the number today i think really surprised economists and surprise to government officials. it's the surprise of the market. the market was up today as well. in fact, since the fed has been raising interest rates over a year ago the s&p 500 is up 3%. so i mean what more do we need to decide whether the economy

is good? it's remarkable though, given that for 13 years the fed was manipulating interest rates down to zero and asset values we're getting crazy. people were taking all kinds of risk that they shouldn't take. so that's why people thought there was gonna be a recession and we're predicting that there's gonna be a recession. but except -- the fed may have pulled off the so-called elusive soft landing. >> they may have that it a needle and i did sort of conflate economic growth and inflation. and sometimes they actually work for opposing things. but the fact of the matter is that both are doing okay right now. so we have been reading some threats on the show, because no other show does and i thought it was kind of cool. but we did get a thread question from professor peacock. he goes, i would like to see you explore why people think the economy is bad when the economic data says otherwise. you saw those poll numbers. people think it's bad. i don't have an explanation for what people think is bad.

because objectively, it is good. it's hard to imagine that it could be much better. it truly is i mean yes inflation could be lower but unemployment could hardly be lower and the economy our economy is growing our gdp is growing and interest rates were racking up quickly beginning in march of 2021. in 2022. i would've thought frankly that that would slow the economy down a lot faster and further than it has. which just goes to prove that it takes a long time for higher interest rates to work their way into the economy. but you know bankruptcies are not exploding left and right the economy is still growing. i don't know it looks pretty good to me. do you think there's an element that people just like being unhappy?

his coldest make sure that they brought obama to his second term when he says i am not going to allow a supreme court justice to be nominated that should've been nominated by barack obama when donald trump says that he won the election when he lost the election. and i think people are just in the fall mood. so nobody wants to give joe biden credit for what is really a remarkable situation with the economy. >> you think he deserves credit? >> absolutely. he deserves credit. >> why don't people give him credit? >> i don't know, that's the american psyche were in a bad sort of mood about everything and about our leaders and our institution. but objectively speaking i can't imagine that i would've thought the economy -- i wasn't predicting it but i understand why people are predicting that the economy would be in trouble. and again you can't have zero interest rates for 13 years and then rock up interest rates as quickly as the fed is done and by the way the fed should now pause based on the latest number today. i don't know if they will.

but look you could not have asked for a better situation that exist right now. >> europe shoulders in exchanging texts, in the upper stratosphere of the business world in our they have the and least the animal instinct. are they as happy as the data said they should be? jamie dimon, the ceo of morgan chased gave a blockbuster of a speech last week when he said that america is in pretty darn good shape, all things considered given all the concerns that we have as americans and now he may or not be running for president but wall street isn't that great. and there aren't a lot of deals not so the investment bankers are probably not that happy. but look, in real america the economy is strong. >> let me ask you this because the white house is trying to make, what is, a biden -- i'm not even sure i'm seeing it right. well >> that's part of the problem. maybe they can't make that happen here. do you think that the more they say it that maybe people will start to believe it?

>> they could probably do a better job by communicating their successes joe is not out there stumping president biden. he's not out there stomping on his excesses he's fairly modest about what he's accomplished both in the economy, and legislatively. i mean he's been about a successful a president in the first two years as his term as he could possibly imagine. >> it's interesting, i mean the pandemic and inflation are two things that do, i think, the mess with people's psyche when they look at things and that may be part of the reason that people are -- >> people are cranky. >> i'm not, but you seem. so thank you so manu and sharing your joy. great to see in person. >> appreciate it. >> this will share you, of catastrophic floods, scorching heat in the south, and weather experts warn that it could get worst in the coming days.

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tonight, record heat in miami, record flooding in the northeast, a record morning in the gulf. it sounds kind of like a broken record. forgive, me but it really. is just look at the headlines. 100,000-year weather event, as extreme rain and ravaged northeast. in april, which for the record is less than 1000 years ago. there was, this a one in 1000-year rainfall event, sparking a flash flood emergency in broward county. july 4th was the hottest day in over 100,000 years breaking record for second day in a row. this was a perfect time to bring in one of the premier

by the way it really is a graduate of -- the >> u winter weather before you went to, pulling, look at phoenix is hot. it is scorching. what is going on there? is there any relief in sight? >> yes, ok, i mean the number of days, the days in which the high temperature has been at least 110 degrees, you have to go all the way back to june to find a day in which the high temperature wasn't at least 110 degrees there. in fact, what we are expecting with a high pressure system settling in on the southwest, we are expecting those high temperatures of reaching 110 or greater to continue, not just into this, weekend but continued through the end of next week. if that in fact does occur, it will break the record for most consecutive days of where the high temperature was at least 110 degrees, in phoenix, arizona, but i will note, it is not just the high temperatures that have me worried, it is the fact that the low temperatures are now exceeding 90 degrees. that to me suggest there is just no relief if you are in

phoenix, no escaping the heat. the fact, is it is a sign of something called urban heat island, what that essentially, is i know it is a big, term but as the cities get built up and built up, right, the infrastructure in there as well as the concrete, they hold on to the heat that you gain during the daytime, and it cannot escape during the nighttime. >> urban heat island? >> yes. >> by the way, people say phoenix, it is dry, heat no, that does not apply here. we are talking about temperatures that are changing the way people live there. i want to go to florida, now not as hot, but there is something happening in the ocean here. >> yes, the fact, is if you look off the golf coast, you look in the florida keys, what have we, seen we have seen the temperature in the florida keys in the ocean exceeding 90 degrees. it is the highest temperature for the surface in the florida keys since at least 1985. so, those waters are very hot, and what is going on, is it is

damaging the coral reef down there. that of course is a big part of the biodiversity down, there and could in fact lead to things that we really don't want to be talking about. >> all of this is a trend, right, we are seeing this around the globe? >> we are seeing this around the globe. over the last nine, days at the temperature over the last nine days globally has exceeded all of those temperatures dating back since at least the early 1980's. that is just how far back we have the records for. in fact, if you talk with some people who study this type of stuff, it could be the warmest nine days, the hottest nine days that we have basically ever seen. what we are seeing in the state's representative of something globally, and that is very high temperatures, and i think a lot of people are saying that it is partially what we are seeing in terms of the changing climate, but also el niño, the fact is it also leads to warmer temperatures that we have seen in the ocean temperatures in florida. >> more heat in phoenix on the, way more rain in vermont tunnel, places and some of these not

going away in the next few days. great to have you here. you served it well. >> all right, here's a burning question, what was jake tapper like in the 1970s? and how much vellore did he really wear? that when we come back. good checkup? no, great checkup! [laughs]

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the demons are, here and so too is jake tapper. jake, i'm holding a copy of your book, now which i love, and i was just looking at the cover, itself and the sepia tones here, to me this is what the book encapsulates so well, a 1970s, just that 70s vibe. what did that mean to you? >> well, as a kid, it did not mean much other than being in grade, school i remember you, no gas lines and elvis dying. i did not remember much. but, when i researched the 70s to write this book when i found that i was missing a whole lot of incredibly we are things that we're missing at the time, that really seemed even stranger from the vantage of 2023. as you know, to ufo sightings and called in the rise of tabloid journalists, tabloid journalism in the, united states all of it very strange.

it is not only a paid much attention to, but looking back now, this larger than life stuntman who did these bizarre acts that would be on the wide world of sports, and he was almost quintessentially the american archetype of the salesman showman type, kind of almost like donald trump, not an imperatively, way but somebody who's really good i capturing media tension. it became a way to dive into, became excited about driving into this era of mystery in here. because, it just seems so right for jama. >> so you have now followed the monitors from the 50s to the 60s, to the 70s. you know, what is that like for you as an author to get to know these people better? and i have to ask, which of the martyrs do you like the least? >> well, i love them all. >> they are not real.

you are not going to upset them. you can say something, they won't be upset. >> they are real to me, john. they are real to me. the -- republican senator who isn't on -aholic and battles the demons of world war ii, i love him, his wife margaret the zoologists to his brilliant, and the strongest one in the family i love her. this book as you, know is about their kids. lucy who was a journalist, who gets enticed into a murdoch-esque tabloid newspaper, and ike the 20 year old son, he isn't a wall marine. i would say that i love charlie the most because he is the one who has been at the forefront of this whole writing experience for me. but, i probably identify the most with lucy, the aspiring journalist. i gave a lot of my most annoying traits to her journalist to journalist. >> i love that. the correct answer is lucy's the best.

andy charles is the worst. but, i appreciate you playing. game.reciate you playing the the most at least on likable. look, the books wonderful, i like them all, it is all the demons are here. a thriller, go out and get it right now. congratulations to you, jake. >> thank you so much, john, i appreciate it. >> thanks for watching, our coverage continues. e? with the freestyle libre 2 system, you can know where your glucose level is and where e it's headed without fingersticks. know what activities work for you. manage your diabetes with more confidence and lower your a1c. ask your doctor about the freestyle libre 2 system. it's covered by medicare for those who qualify. visit freestylelibre.us/medicare to learn more. ♪

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