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information that the other side requests. here, the plaintiffs asked for everything relating to your election fraud claims. they didn't get this from rudy, though rudy's team failed to turn this over, which is a big problem. they got it from somewhere else, the plaintiffs. and so what the plaintiffs are asking the judge to do here is, first of all, they say you should call this case. we win because this is a serious violation. he's hiding from us. that's a long shot. but they're also asking the judge for what we call an adverse inference judge. you should rule as a matter of law that he's hiding these on purpose. and we get to argue that to a jury. all right. this is just one thing hanging over rudy giuliani said he testified for eight hours, answered questions for eight hours to two lawyers from the special counsel's office. how do you explain eight hours of testimony? this one is tying my brain in a bit of a knot, and i'll tell you why. ordinarily, as doj, you would not bring someone in for a voluntary interview if you saw that person as a target, that would be bad faith by the prosecutors. nor would rudy giuliani, a former federal prosecutor himself, or

his lawyer, bob costello, also a former federal prosecutor. no way on earth they bring him in for that kind of interview unless if they believe there's any chance he's a target. bob costello would ask them, i'm not going to bring rudy in if you might charge him. so start with that. but i also don't think there's any way rudy giuliani will become a cooperator in the proper sense of the term. i cannot see a scenario where a federal prosecutor for the united states stands up in court and says, our next witness, your honor, is rudolph giuliani. can you imagine that? i mean, you know, whatever people may think of him, he has zero credibility. so if they don't see him as a target and they don't see him as a witness,

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caaiing. he will like this part. yes, yes, yes, to leading in all of the polls. more on the no, no, no. he is skipping the family leadership summit on friday, moderated by tucker carlson. trump is a hard no, no, no. likewise, it seems for the first presidential debate. trump is saying no to any of the traditional courtesies to the popular iowa governor, kim reynolds. trump wrote, i opened up the governor position for kim reynolds. and when she fell behind, i endorsed her, did big rallies and won. now, she wants to remain neutral. i don't invite her to events. again, destiny's child. ♪ no, no, no, no ♪ >> how is it that donald trump can get away with the destiny's child strategy?

to quote the greek historian. a strong do as they will and suffer as they must. trump does this because he can. is he leading because of this or in spite of this? joining me now, scott jennings, the senior commentator and assistant to george w. bush. also here is coleman hughes. gentlemen, great to see you here. donald trump's no, no, no strategy. campaign rules don't apply to him. i hate your multiple choice game? >> campaign rules don't apply to him. he is trying to act like and incumbent in this race. like joe biden is in the

democratic primary. he's not participating in a campaign, either. and trump voters see him as a defact c defacto incumbent. i don't see him going to events where he's put on a playing field that he believes are lesser or beneath him. it's not hurting him. and donald trump is like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. you like it or you don't. >> i'm glad you say you get stuck on the roof of the mouth. >> it could be "b." it would be donald trump thinks he has a vice grip. we saw in the midterms in 2022, a lot of trump-endorsed candidates did not do as well as we thought they would. we've seen governors that won more of the vote than donald trump did in the same states in

2020. so, there could be a certain degree of complacency that is setting in, where he thinks he is invincible and thinks he can skip out on iowa. this leaves an opening for candidates. >> he doesn't have to get 100% of the vote. he doesn't have to get 50% of the vote. he won the primary in 2016, in the mid 40s. and the fragmentation in this field is what he's talking about. as long as you have candidates in the mid 40s, it would be plenty to win the race. and what someone is trying to do is get close enough in iowa to keep this a multiperson race. if trump were to win iowa, even by a little, it might actually collapse the thing around him immediately. if he loses iowa, all bets are off. right now, he's way ahead in iowa. >> let's talk about chris christie. news came through on christie on

"ac 360." let's listen. >> last night, we went past 40,000 unique donors in 35 days. and the good news for the republican party, i'm going to be on the debate stage on august 23rd. >> the republican candidates need to meet this fund-raising threshold to get on the debate stage. christie is there. other candidates are doing interesting stuff to get there. the north dakota governor is offering a $20 gift card for a $1 donation, trying to get more people to donate. there's an offer of a cut of the money they raise. my question, these tactics are evil genius. benevolent genius or bonkers? >> what we learned from trump's appeal, bernie sanders, rfk jr. appeal, is voters want a

candidate that can say i'm not taking money from lobbyists and i cannot be bought from industry. what the candidates are trying to do is the come up with clever ways to come up with the money. they're independently wealthy. a lot of voters will look at this and think, what's worse? voting for a candidate that takes money from big fpharma. or a candidate that raises money that way? i'll take the ladder. >> degrading but necessary. they are trying to comply with the rules. if you're spending $19 per donor to reach the threshold, that's a drop in the bucket. this is a wealthy man. it's going to cost him around $800,000 to pull this off. the calculation has been made. it's worth the money to get on the debate stage, where you could have a breakout moment. people have moments and debates and they take off for a little bit. i hate this.

i think it's degrading for the candidates. i don't love the rules. and it's forced them to do things that are beneath the office they're running for. christopher wray was on capitol hill testifying before the house judiciary committee. it was intense. let's listen. >> are you protecting the bidens? >> absolutely not. the fbi does not -- has no interest in protecting anyone. >> you won't answer the question -- >> the accusation that i'm biased from conservatives is insane given my personal background. the fbi is not in the business of moderating content or causing any social media company to suppress or sensor. >> all right. this hearing, this was about, "a" heat. the tension is the point. "b" light, exposing something for the american people. "c" government reform, changing something. or "d" all of the above? >> i would say "d," all of the above. this was a multihour system.

you saw every angle. you saw certain concerned about the civil liberties aspect and the illegal fisa warrants and concern about -- have the reforms that christopher wray put on the search system warrants. and other people are trying to get their ten seconds of fame and hammer him over issues that really he had nothing to do with. you got to understand, he's running an agency with tens of thousands of people. with one field office, sends a memo of attacking catholic parents on their own accord, and he thinks it's crazy, he has to respond to that in congress. some of it was bad faith and some was about civil liberties officials. >> all of the above. all of this stuff is serious and it's on the mines of republican voters. you saw the republican congressmen going after the issues. being a registered republican or apointed by a republican is not a defense to legitimate government oversight. a lot of this was legitimate

oversight. republicans go all the way back to the russia collusion investigation, which he has said should never be launched. the school board stuff is important to them. the idea of censorship and collusion with big tech. there's issues and i suspect when we get to the debate, a lot of this will be discussed. >> great to see you. thanks for playing, i should say. really appreciate it. as call krugman wrote in "the new york times" today, dude, where is my recession? what is wrong with the economy that it won't actually be as bad as it was supposed to be? i need it cool at night. you trying to ice me out of the bed? baby, only on game nights. you know you are retired right? am i? ya! save $1200 on our most popular sleep number 360 smart bed. plus save up to an additional $500 when you add select adjustable bases.

tonight, this just in, a recession is coming. some day. there will be a recession on earth eventually. i can sit here with my vast experience in economics, which consists of a six-month college course and guarantee an economic downturn and i will be right. as right as sally albright in

"when harry met sally." >> and i'm going to be 40. >> when? >> someday. >> someday sally will be 40. and someday, there will be a recession. that's not the issue, for sally or the economy. it turns out, i would be wrong, if i said a recession is imminent. that's what people were saying. economists and politicians. >> part of that is to switch gears and prepare for recession. >> when you have the federal reserve raising rates as fast as they are, recession risk is high. >> there's economic indicators that we're not even slowing down, we're heading towards a recession. >> that's what people were saying and feeling and still are. polls show most americans think the economy is in bad shape. and they blame president biden. the reality is anything but bad.

the economic data is darn good. inflation rose by 3%, the lowest pace since 2021. the jobs report says the economy added 2209,000 new jobs. inflation is slowing. jobs are increasing and the economy is growing. why are things so good? and how did they get it so wrong? william cohan. you talk to a lot of people. why do think they things are good right now? >> things are really good, if you're objective about it. unemployment, as you said, the lowest it's been ever. 3.7%. inflation is coming down rapidly. the number today, really surprised economists.

government officials. the market was up today, as well. since the fed has been raising interest rates over a year ago, the s&p 500 is up 3%. what more do we need to decide if the economy is good? it's remarkable that given for 13 years, the fed was manipulating interest rates down to zero and asset values were getting crazy. that's why people thought there was going to be a recession. we were thinking and predicting a recession. but the fed may have pulled off the elusive soft landing. >> they may have threaded the needle. sometimes they work in opposing things. the fact of the matter is, both are doing okay right now. we've been reading threads on this show. why? no other show does it p i thought it was cool. we did get a thread question

from professor peacock. he goes, i would like to see you explore why people think the economy is bad when the economic data says otherwise. people think it's bad. >> i don't have an explanation why people think it's bad. objectively, it is good. it's hard to imagine it could be much better. inflation could be lower. but unemployment could hardly be lower. our economy is growing. interest rates were ratcheted up quickly, beginning march of 2021. i would have thought, frankly, that would slow the economy down a lot faster and further than it has. it proves it takes a long time for higher interest rates to work into economy. but bankruptcies are not exploding left and right. the economy is still growing. i don't know. looks pretty good to me.

>> do you think there's an element, people just like being unhappy? >> people like being unhappy about a lot of things in america right now, unfortunately. when mitch mcconnell says his goal is to make sure barack obama doesn't have a second term. he says i'm not going to allow a supreme court justice to be dominated that should have been nominated by barack obama. when donald trump says he won the election when he lost the election. i think people are in a foul mood. nobody wants to give joe biden credit for a remarkable situation with the economy. >> you think he deserves credit? >> absolutely he deserves credit. >> why don't people give him credit? >> i don't know. that's the american psyche. we're in a bad mood. i can't imagine. i would have thought the economy would be -- i wasn't predicting it.

you can't have zero interest rates for 13 years and then ratchet up interest rates as quickly as the fed has done. the fed should pause now. you could not have asked for a better situation than exists right now. >> you rub shoulders and exchange texts with people in the upper stratosphere in the business world. have they unleashed the animal instincts? are they as happy as they should be? >> jamie dimon gave a blockbuster of a speech last week. saying america is in pretty good shape, given all of the concerns we have as americans. now, he may or may not be running for president. wall street isn't that great. there's not a lot of deals now. in real xhamerica, the economy

strong. >> the white house is trying to make bidennomics. >> that's a tough one. >> do you think the more they say it, maybe people will start to believe it? >> they could do a better job of communicating successes. joe is not out there stumping -- excuse me. president biden is not stumping about his successes. he's modest of what he's established. he's been as successful a president in the first two years of his determine as you can imagine. >> it is an interesting phenomenon. the pandemic and installation are two things that mess with people's psyche when they look at things. >> people are cranky. >> people are. i'm not. you're not. thank you for sharing your joy with me. great to see you in person. this will cheer you up --

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graduates of the penn state weather cam. >> it's true. phoenix is hot. like scorching. what is going on there? >> number of consecutive days when the temperature has been 110 cree degrees. you have to go back to june when the temperature wasn't 110 degrees there. what we're expecting with the high pressure system settling into the southwest, is we are expecting the high temperatures of reaching 110 or greater to continue. not just into this weekend, but continue through the end of next week. if that does occur, it can break the record of most consecutive days where the high temperature was 110 degrees in phoenix, arizona. it is not just the high temperatures that have me worried. the fact that the low temperatures are exceeding 90 degrees. that suggests there's no relief.

if you're in phoenix, there's no escaping the heat. it's a sign of something called urban heat island. what that is -- that's a big term. as you -- the cities get built up and built up, the infa ra infrastructure, and the co concrete, it holds on to the heat. >> urban heat island. people say phoenix, it's a dry heat. doesn't apply here. we're dogging talking about tems that change the way people live there. there's something happening in the ocean. >> if you look in the gulf coast, in the florida cease. we're seeing the temperature in the ocean, exceeding 90 degrees. it's the highest temperature for the surface in the florida keys sings 1985. those waters are hot.

and it's damaging the coral reef. that's a big part of the biodiversity down there. and could lead to things we don't want to be talking about. >> all this is a trend. we're seeing this around the globe. >> we are seeing this around the globe. the temperature globally has exceeded all of the temperatures dating back to the early 1980s. that's as how far back we have the records for. if you talk with people that study this stuff, it could be the warmest nine days, the hottest nine days, we've ever seen. we're seeing the states representing something globally, that's high temperatures. a lot of people saying that's what we're seeing in terms of the changing climate. it's also el nino and that's led to the temperatures in florida. >> more heat in phoenix.

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>> i love them all. >> they're not real. you can say something and they won't be offended. >> they are real to me, john. the world war ii hero, turned republican congressman, turned republican senator, who is an alcoholic and battles demons from world war ii. i love him. his wife, the zoologist who is brilliant and the strongest one of the family. lucy, a journalist, who gets enticed into a murdoch-esque tabloid newspaper. and ike, the 20-year-old son, i would love charlie the most. he's been at the forefront of the writing experience for me. i identify the most with lucy, the aspiring journalist. i give a lot of my most annoying traits to her,

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