biden for, you know, his choice of cq brown. >> i was a pentagon correspondent for cnn -- >> you can always come back, wolf. >> when colin powell was chairman of the joint chiefs. a historic time as you well remember, of course at that time. >> he was one of my mentors, wolf, and a good friend, and we miss him. but, you know, it was a historic time. >> certainly was a great american. and you're right, we totally miss him. mr. secretary, i know you're very busy. we're grateful to you for the time you spent with us. thank you very much, and good luck. >> well, thanks. thanks, wolf. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room," erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, putin's military meltdown, new video tonight of a violent fight breaking out at a russian base between men who are about to be

sent to the front lines. as putin's paranoia is leading to a bigger military purge. breaking news, two of trump's most senior white house aides, jared kushner and hope hicks have now testified before the grand jury investigating trump's attempts to overturn the 2020 election. we're going to tell you a key question that both of them were asked. and we have new audio tonight of a passenger plane's frantic call for help after hitting extreme turbulence. that plane dropping thousands of feet in seconds. what was it like on board, two passengers on the florida-bound flight are my guests. let's go "outfront." >> good evening, i'm erin burnett, "outfront" tonight, putin's military meltdown. we're getting new video tonight of a deadly fight that broke out at a military camp near moscow. according to russian media, these men were about to be sent to the front lines, and then one of the soldiers here is said to have upset his superiors, he was reportedly beaten by members of

a reconnaissance unit and military police and afterwards a mass brawl breaks out with knives and a man dies. a man dies there before he even gets to the front lines in ukraine. this kay chaos, this sort of brawling, this is what senior russian general ivan after he spoke out after he was fired for criticizing putin's war preparation. >> translator: as many commanders of divisional regiments said today, the servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine could not breakthrough our army from the front. our senior commander hit us from the rear, treacherously, and violently decapitating the army at the most difficult and dense moment. >> we don't know anything about what's happened to popov since he sent that.

he's obviously been fired. where are his wrahereabouts we don't know. the kremlin is dismissing comments from a top general. the first to cross putin and pay a price. we know he has been fired. we don't know what else if anything beyond that, but we do know the "wall street journal" is reporting today that general se sergey who has not been seen since the attempted rebellion is held and interrogated. he is not alone. according to this report in the "wall street journal," at least right now at least 13 senior officers have been detained for questioning after the up rising and there's prigozhin himself, he still has not been seen since the insurrection. for the first time, we're hearing from putin about his alleged meeting with prigozhin and 35 of wagner's commanders, the meeting that putin's spokesperson said happened a few

days after the insurrection. a meeting that was said to have happened in moscow. speaking to reporters, putin claims he told the commanders at the meeting that they could continue to fight but under a different leader. he then claims that the men were nodding in agreement, all of these wagner troops, they were totally in agreement, but prigozhin who was sitting in the front row. he spoke up and said, no, the guys do not agree with this decision. that's what we're seeing here in the exchange with the reporter. keep in mind, we do not have photo evidence or corroboration that the meeting took place, who was there. this is what the kremlin is telling us. keep in mind, vladimir putin is saying the generals nodded and fighting for him, but highlights prigozhin saying the guys do not agree with the decision. that's the context around which we have not seen prigozhin since. president biden says the u.s. has no idea what putin has done with prigozhin. he spoke today. >> determining what happened to

prigozhin, god only knows what he's likely to do. i'm not even sure. we're not even sure where he is and what relationship he has. if i were he, i would be careful what i ate. i'd be keeping my eye on my menu. >> matthew chance is out front live in london. what mju how deep this goes ins the russian army. this is obviously not just prigozhin, not just people in the wagner group. it seems to be much deeper. >> it does, and the fact that this is all meant to be behind cl closed doors, i think indicates to us, just how deep it does go. we're not just seeing the things you've described, but we're also seeing russian generals, russian officers, as well as, you know, kind of men in the ranks being killed at an alarming rate on the battlefield as well. so while you've got this military that wants to project itself as being in control and

the sort of epitome of order, in fact, it looks increasingly like it's in disarray. this is how the russian defense ministry wants to portray its army, well trained, equipped and effective. but the reality looks increasingly chaotic with the recently battlefield death of one top general. now another saying he's been fired for telling the truth about the dire situation on the front line. >> translator: now it is possible to confidently say that an order was issued and i was removed from my post. >> reporter: general popov was the commander of the russian 58th army, heavily engaged in battles around zaporizhzhia in southeastern ukraine. one of russia's most senior commanders, he says it raised questions about how casualty

rates and the lack of artillery support. one russian mp criticized his audio link as a political show but there's been no official push back on its content. >> i had no way to lie in your name, in the name of my fallen comrades, so i outlined all the problems which exist. >> reporter: it feels like another swipe at russia's beleaguered defense minister, sergei shoigu seen touring this. his chief of staff signed the order to have popov removed. there are unmistakable echoes of the criticism made by the wagner

chief, yevgeny prigozhin who went on to lead an armed uprising against what he said was an incompetent russian military leadership. that ended in failure, we think, but it seems discontent among russia's senior officer class may be widespread. no worry in sight -- a worrying for the kremlin. there's no word what happened to this commander, general surovikin. the "wall street journal" is now reporting he's been detained for suspected wagner links. though this senior russian mp is now playing that down. surovikin is not reachable, he told this russian blogger, and he's resting, he says. erin, there is so much happening, it seems, with the russian military, as all of that

ta takes place, the russian defense ministry have been taking control of wagner's, the mercenary group's heavy weapons and ammunition. there have been some dramatic images of that as well. and it seems that the kremlin is tightening its grip and sort of purging dissidence within its ranks. >> matthew, thank you very much. and i want to go now to thomas grove, the "wall street journal" reporter who broke that story that i mentioned at the top of the program about more senior russian military officers being detained and questioned in the wake of this mutiny, along with retired lieutenant general mark hurtling, the former commanding general for europe and the 7th army. thanks to both, and thomas, let me start with you. this is pretty incredible reporting. you have been able to crack down, you and your team that more russian military officers have been detained and fired in the wake of the wagner coup. and you're also reporting that general surovikin is not just resting, he is being detained. he has been held.

tell me what more you're learning about that? >> i mean, so what we're seeing is basically an emerging picture of the crack down on russian military circles, you know, following the attempted insurrection. and so, you know what we understand is that hours after that reported march on moscow happened, general sergey surovikin, he's detained by the sfb, which is an unusual move not to have russia's domestic security agency detain a military officer, that's not according to protocol at all. it only happens in a few cases where you can have either, you know, the top political leadership, that being putin or the head of the security council giving the green light to that. that's exactly what we're seeing. that's the kind of importance they're giving to surovikin, and

everybody else who they're looking at and questioning right now. >> i mean, it is amazing, and general hurtling, you know, i mentioned a moment ago, putin talking to that reporter today saying that in that meeting that he says he had with prigozhin and 35 other members of the wagner group, they all nodded when he said, all right, you can keep fighting but not for him, under me essentially. he said they nodded and prigozhin said, quote, no, the guys do not agree with this decision. i mean, general, what do you make of that? putin's now saying he had a meeting with the guy and that the guy says i don't agree that these guys shouldn't fight under you. i'm not okay with that. he's missing at this point. do you think that's all it is? >> no, not at all, erin, and truthfully, this is just more indicators of the brutalness of the russian military and the russian political leadership. you know, i had an opportunity to go to russia several times

when i was still in uniform, and some of the things that are being reported now are not new. there have always been incompetent leaders in the senior ranks of the russian military. they do not get the kind of training or provide the type of leadership that troops look to that will encourage them or be charismatic in nature. they are hide bound issue overweight, fat, they don't now how to maneuver forces. in fact, the war they are cond conducting right now is not now any of them have been done before. it's interesting watching mapt matthew's film. it's the same thing i saw. it's a demonstration of force. it's not a training exercise. you can demonstrate all sorts of things in rehearsals and modeling but when the fight happens, you notice in the film, there were no targets the soldiers were shooting at. it shows the brittleness of the entire army, and what we're seeing now is not only the

arrest of many officers, surovikin, prigozhin, have been, you know, kind of complicated in this potential coup attempt, but the words of igor popov, a combined army commander, that's a big organization, and for him to say he's being stabbed in the back while he's an active commander, those are harsh words, and they should get a commander fired, but he's speaking the truth. >> right. right. and of course we don't know what's happened to him. fired but we have no idea what else. as we don't with any of these people. i mean, thomas, you're reporting, you're saying 13 senior officers were detained for questioning, and 15 have been suspended for duty or fired, and in many cases it's unclear where they are now. like prigozhin, we haven't seen the guy. no one knows where he is or if he's still alive, nobody even knows that. what are the ramifications of

all of this for putin from your reporting? >> yeah, i mean, it's a really good question. i think, you know, paranoia has been one of the defining characteristics of the putin regime since its very beginning. if you think about having an armed insurrection heading towards moscow in the wake of that, you can only expect if you're in the kremlin to grow. and, you know, widening crackdown, more brutal crackdowns on the military, like what we're seeing, and on the political circles as well. you know, you can't exclude that either. so i think, you know, broadly speaking, the paranoia that's always been there is probably at a deafening pitch right now. >> general, there was a report today from the ukrainian side that 200 russian soldiers were killed in fighting. and we don't know the details. we don't know exactly whether it was one strike or multiple. it is conceivable that it could

have been cluster munitions that they had had prior to the u.s. announcement, right, perhaps some turkey. we don't know. these are the kinds of numbers that you can see from cluster munitions at some point. i know you had skepticism about whether the u.s. providing these weapons made sense. do you feel that way about it now? >> erin, i'm still posed to the use of cluster munitions in combat. they are a banned system by many countries, but i think because of the rationale in using them as a bridging strategy and the fact that ukraine is running out of artillery in what in effect is an artillery duel between russia and ukraine, and they need these kind of strikes as part of the offensive, and the fact that their minister of defense, has cited specific things they will do to mitigate the risk of having these affect

civilian populations. it's certainly an unfortunate requirement, but until that bridge leads to more production of artillery rounds for the ukrainian army, these were unfortunately the choice. i can understand that. it still causes me pause to be honest with you, but i have used these munitions. i have been wounded by these munitions. i have seen what they have done to civilians. they do not belong on the battlefield, but i understand why the president made the decision, the very tough decision that he made to send them to ukraine. >> general, thank you. thomas, thank you for sharing your new reporting with us. appreciate both of you. next, we continue with some breaking news that we have right now. that is that two of trumps closest aides at the white house, jared kushner, his son-in-law, one of them, and hope hicks, the other have now testified before the grand jury. and we have new details to share with you about their testimony. plus, cnn's k file uncovering audio of democratic

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breaking news, cnn is learning that two senior trump white house aides, both among the closest to the former president have testified before the federal grand jury. jared kushner and hope hicks spoke under oath. hicks was asked whether trump was told he lost the election. whether trump privately acknowledged he lost the election in the days after it happened. evan perez is out front, and evan, these are two significant players in trump's orbit, his son-in-law by his side, hope hicks one of his most loyal lieutenants throughout his administration. both now speaking under oath to the federal grand jury. what more are you learning? >> these testimonies according to sources who spoke to kaitlan collins and katelyn polantz happened in june, which is around the time line of what we are seeing. a lot of the activity from the

special counsel's office, and that question, of course, the question of whether trump really knew or acknowledged that he had lost the election is actually a very important one, and one of the smartest things that the former president has done over the last couple of years since he did, dooindeed lose the elecn and left the white house. one of the smartest things he has done is that he kept saying he believes he won the election. that may be a thing that could help him from a legal standpoint defend himself against a possible charge from the special counsel. again, we don't know whether the special counsel plans to charge donald trump. we know certainly from the questions that have been asked of some of the other witnesses, a lot of other people around the former president, some of his allies, people intimately involved in trying to overturn election results in different states and the fake electors scheme. some of those people absolutely face some legal jeopardy. the question of whether the former president himself,

whether he believed he had lost the election, of course, is a very big deal from the special counsel's standpoint because they need to know his intent. as for some of the actions that he was taking after the election was lost. erin. >> all right. thank you very much, evan. so let's go to ryan goodman now, co editor and chief of just security, and our senior legal analyst, elie honig. hope hicks and jared kushner know a lot. they were trusted, close to the former president. no question about any of those things. they testified before the grand jury, they're asked the same things, did trump know he lost the election or not. how key is that knowledge to establishing intent or legally to a case here? >> well, erin, it's the single most important question. the most important and often most difficult thing the prosecutors have to establish is

intent. did the person know that their actions were wrong and generally unlawful, and the way you get that evidence is you talk to the people who were closest to the individual you're looking at here. we're talking about hit son-in-law and one of his closest aides, and the best possible evidence they can get, and we don't know exactly whether jared kushner or hope hicks gave them this is donald trump acknowledging that he knows he lost. it's one thing to be told by certain people that he lost, because there were other people telling him he did not lose. if you can get it out of his mouth that he knows he lost, that's golden evidence for prosecutors. >> ryan? >> i agree with elie that intent is essential. i agree with elie that it would be super important and very valuable to the prosecutor if they could prove that trump knew he lost. i don't think they need that. even the way "the new york times" reports it, they say if the prosecutor had that information, it could bolster his case or it could make it a more robust case, that's true. but there's so many other ways this could be prosecuted and it doesn't matter. trump could have thought he won

the election. it doesn't give him any legal right to pressure mike pence to violate his oath. that would be a separate crime. it doesn't give him any legal right to have a scheme to create false slates of electors who declare they're the rightful electors and to submit to congress to gum up the works, and if the prosecutor also charges former president trump for the violence on january 6th, it does not matter whether or not he thought he won. and i do want to mention, hope hicks did give explosive testimony before the january 6th committee on that particular issue. there's an open question, the prosecutors, were they also asking her about that, because she testified and there were text messages that she advised president trump on january 4th and 5th, please stay peaceful on january 5th and he refused her advice. that's in the final report from the select committee. >> here's the thing i've always struggled.

we know people told trump he lost, he was told by smart, informed, people, he has a more than basic knowledge of the world, how is it possible, i mean, i feel like this is a state of trump reinvention that we have to prove that the guy didn't know he lost the election. and he kany kind of competent individual knew he lost the election. people told him personally, so how is it possible that he can actually sit there and argue that he didn't know and you have to prove that to show intent? >> so first of all, he doesn't have to prove or disprove anything as a defendant here. the burden is on the prosecutor to prove this. look, i've done this in court. it is not as easy as just come on, folks, we know you have to prove it, and even though you may say well, the people who are telling him that he lost the election were smarter, more responsible and more credible, than rudy giuliani and sidney powell, they were still lawyers at the time, their licenses have been suspended, and he will have

a defense of i can rely on these folks. they were former prosecutors, telling me that i won, and given that, i'm allowed to try to challenge these elections. they were allegedly potentially pressure tactics, but you have to prove it as a prosecutor. you can't just say, come on, folks, we all know this, you have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury. easier said than done in an actual courtroom. >> and i totally understand what you're saying. i guess i'm maybe speaking for some in the audience. it seems to me an amazing situation we're in. again, sort of reinventing the kwhee wheel here, suddenly in the case of trump, a basic thing needs to be proved. a basic factual reality of anybody that looks at it. >> it's remarkable, for example, in georgia when the special grand jury met, in their very brief report, they say, you know, we unanimously agreed there was no fraud in this election that could have changed the outcome. he lost the election in georgia. it's remarkable that we're all

spinning around on this again, and we'll see, you know, in a certain sense, i do think that jared kushner, according to the times did say that he thought trump believed it but there are a number of other witnesses who say trump admitted he lost. >> all right. well, this is all going to be fascinating to see it play out and to see sort of where their thinking is now. elie, ryan, thank you so much. and our k file, uncovering video of democratic candidate robert f. kennedy jr. making the claim that manmade chemicals are turning kid gay and transgender. >> they're swimming through a soup of toxic chemicals today. plus, $1.2 billion, that's how much money trump claims he's made since leaving the white house. it's a claim, but even so, where does he say all that money came from a? we'll break it down.

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tonight, conspiracies gone wild. democratic presidential candidate and noted conspiracy theorist, robert f. kennedy jr. making the outlandish assertion that man-made chemicals in the environment are making children gay or transgender and causing the feminization of boys and the mascination of girls. >> the capacity for these chemicals that we are just raining down on our children right now to induce these very profound sexual changes in them is something we need to be thinking about as a society. they're swimming through a soup of toxic chemicals today. >> so kennedy is also well

known, as you may know for railing against vaccines, and yet, it is significant that after months he is still polling at 20% among democrats. andrew kaczynski of k file uncovered this story, and he's "outfront" now. these are bizarre claims to say the least. i think what's important to say is to say the least, he doesn't stop there, right? >> that's right. and would you believe this is the second time i'm coming on your show this year to discuss that someone claiming that chemicals in the water could be making children gay, and that's exactly what kennedy said, and we found that he said it repeatedly. suggesting that these manmade chemicals could be responsible for children being guy or transgender, that they could be responsible for boys becoming more feminine, for girls becoming more masculine, and the experts that we spoke to totally disputed this. take a listen to kennedy a couple more times making those claims. >> there's atrizine in our water

supply. if you put it in a tank full of frogs, it will kelly castrate and forcibly every frog in there. we know what it does to frogs. >> profession obviously are not people. frogs are reproductively extremely different. i can't believe we're having this conversation. but nonetheless, you asked experts about the wild claims that rfk jr. is making. what did they tell you? >> the experts said this is like comparing apples to oranges. we are humans. frogs are amphibians. for us, sex is assigned at the moment of conception. for frogs things like environmental factors can make determinations for that.

and now we posed this question to kennedy's campaign. we came to them and we said this is what the experts told us. how do you respond to this? and i'll read you a little bit of what they told us. the spokesperson said he is merely suggesting that given copious research on the effects on other vetertebras, this possibly deserves further research. thank you very much, andrew. the subcommittee on the weaponization of the government announced rfk jr. will be a star witness next week to examine big tax collusion with out of control government agencies to silence speech. there's a lot of things we could talk about, a post that the presidential candidate put on instagram, about putting chips in people's heads and coronavirus, but let me go to congressman gerry connolly a democrat on the committee, as well as the subcommittee because you'll be there. i never thought i would be

talking about how humans are different than frogs. humans are humans, and frogs are amphibians and having that be relevant to a political conversation, yet it is. here we are. what is your reaction to andrew and k files reporting? presidential candidate in your party polling at about 20%, linking chemicals in water to whether children are gay or transgender? >> well, i think it's part of a very disturbing pattern with this particular candidate. he's got a storied name that he is discrediting by the hour. he accused the united states actually of being responsible for the russian invasion of ukraine, and justified russia's rationale for that invasion. one of the most depraved and brutal events of our time, shame on him. he has suggested that microsoft is implanting micro chips in brains.

he has suggested that covid vaccinations caused the death of one of our great sports figures, you know, hank aaron. and as well as others. now, imagine saying that to people who suffered from covid, including the 1.1 million families in america who lost loved ones due to the pandemic. this is reckless and irresponsible rhetoric, but it's in keeping with the kind of fringe witnesses the republicans keep on putting in front of the committee. >> and yet i guess congressman, what i understand you used the word fringe, and i understand the context in which you're using it, but kennedy is consistently polling around 20% in democratic primary polls. it's not just 20% among a generic population. it's democratic primary voters, and he's gotten support from people who are extremely sophisticated. twitter founder jack dorsey, hedge fund billionaire bill pedigree you can imagine.very

he amplified rfk junior's m message on twitter. it's time we stop attacking those who question the conventional wisdom on vaccines, and dig deeper to address these issues and concerns. it doesn't look like kennedy is fading, i guess, congressman, i'm sitting here questioning the use of the word fringe. do you think that's fair? >> i do, and i think the fact that you cite a poll where he's doing better than expected in the double digits is attributable not to his message, it's attributable to his last name. there are a lot of voters who see that name, remember his father. his father is a revered figure in my political life. but this isn't his father. and as the campaign unfolds, that will become abundantly clear. remember, his own family has discredited his campaign and his

political views. they love him as a member of the family, but they have been quite outspoken in condemning these false assertions and conspiratorial claims that have no basis. >> all right. congressman i appreciate your time tonight. i always do. thanks. >> my pleasure, erin. all right. and next, the secret service fails to find out who brought a bag of cocaine into the west wing after an investigation that went for 11 days. it ended inconclusively as we are learning that two small bags of marijuana were also found inside the white house last year. plus, new audio of a passenger jet's call for help after hitting severe turbulence. > we have multiple head injuries and two broken ankles. >> two passengers on board that flight will be "outfront." muscle, bone, and heart healthth. yaaay! woo hoo! ensure with h 25 vitamins and minerals and enensure complete

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there wasn't enough fingerprint or dna evidence to ascertain that. sources tell cnn the area where the drugs were found is in a blind spot for cameras. "outfront" now, former secret service agent, evie pomporas. i appreciate your time. let's try to understand what happened here. republicans received a briefing from the secret service today. they narrowed the list of suspects to 500 people. i mean, that's a lot of people. it includes staffers, people who had been in on tours, a combination of the two. you know, some people at home will say, wait, this is the white house, it's cocaine. this should be like an immediate we know who done it. does it surprise you, though, that after 11 days there isn't a conclusion about who brought cocaine into the white house? >> no, it doesn't surprise me because having worked there, and actually i was a part of the team that did the access control for the perimeter of the white house, those check points are designed for weapons. they're designed for chemical, biological agents, radio active agents.

that's really their design. the issue is because of the size of the packet. where that cocaine was found was in a cub by hole area where people put their phones. that's located in a sensitive area in the white house. the issue with putting a camera there is the sensitivity of the people moving through that area. so because of the small amount, that's why they're not detecting. if you're thinking about could they lift off dna, and actually the number is closer to 600 people. those are a lot of people coming in, and this entry point is for these white house tours, they're privileged white house tours meaning staff can bring in these folks, and in addition to that, you have staff, and also vips. that's what makes it so difficult to track down. so is it a shame that we don't know who it is, yes, of course, because it's the white house, but is it a security failure? it's not. >> i mean, i understand what you're saying. yeah, of course there's that sort of instinctual, you know, how can this be, but i understand what you're saying,

these are privileged tours. these are people who would have, in a sense, because it's a friend of someone who works at the white house or something like that, maybe less screening. i know you do think the secret service made a mistake in the first 24 hours of the investigation. what was that? >> it's not the secret service. i think staff, so what staff could have done if they wanted to kind of mitigate this is staff responsible, was it a staff member, and i think that's the issue. is it a tour member, somebody who came in for a tour or is it staff. what staff could have done had they wanted to, and we don't know, if they've never said they did, was referenced, drug testing, could they have taken all their personnel on that day to give drug tests to see if they had a hit. that could have mitigated, we drug tested people in a window of time to see if anybody hit, nobody hit, it's very likely that it's a member of tour. so look, moving forward, could they change things? yes, they could. so what they could do is change the point of entry. the issue is the point of entry here. so, look, in the end, when you do these tours, you make the

white house vulnerable. so i was actually part of the team that helped facilitate. we did background checks. we checked people, and sometimes people would come to do these tours who had criminal histories and we would actually enact arrests sometimes when people would come to these entry points. so when you have tours like this in a sacred place like this, you're going to have vulnerabilities. >> well, evie, thank you very much, i appreciate your explaining that. sort of fascinating there at the end what you said about arrests. appreciate your time. and next, that florida-bound passenger jet that plunged 8,000 feet suddenly. what happened inside the cabin? two passengers who were on that flight will join me next. plus, tonight, millions of dollars for offering live commentary of a boxing match, just one. and even more from mar-a-lago. see how trump was able to make what he says was $1.2 billion since leaving office.

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frantic call for help at that moment. here it is. >> allegiant 227, we have multiple head injuries and one broken ankle. >> allegiant 227. >> flightaware shows that the airbus a320 which had 179 passengers plus crew on board dropped about 8,000 feet in less than two minutes. i mean, 8,000 feet in less than two minutes. you can imagine the terror they felt. four people were taken to the hospital. as i said, 179 passengers. there were six crewmembers on board that flight as well. and crewmembers were very seriously injured. lisa and her son sterling were on that flight, and they join me now. so lisa and sterling, i'm glad to see you. all of us watching this are looking at you and imagining this moment. we all fly. you experienced this incredibly

severe turbulence as you're descending, but no storms, no clouds, just boom. at what point did you know something, lisa, had gone terribly wrong and what happened? >> well, the flight attendants were making their final round to pick up the last bit of trash, and i was sitting in row 29. my son sterling was in row 30. and the first batch of turbulence we hit was severe. so severe that she landed on the cabin floor. and my son had said to her, are you okay? and as soon as he said that, we hit that second pocket of turbulence, and that's when -- like i keep saying it was like the matrix. she literally went from the cabin floor to the roof of the airplane. and you just watched her and then everything just started -- the cabin bins came open and luggage was flying and people's computers were everywhere, and glasses and phones.

it's surreal. you're looking at this and then you're falling. you can't even describe the terror. i just started praying. >> and that flight attendant, i know, broke her ankle, horrible. but she is okay. she was able to get medical care on landing. so sterling, you said to her, are you okay, and obviously that second pocket, i mean, 8,000 feet in less than two minutes. how do you even describe that? what went through your head? we're talking about two minutes of time. that's short, but when you're sitting there going through it, it seems interminable, i can imagine. >> it feels like you're going on a drop on a roller coaster. you get that feeling in your gut. and at the same time, you see someone shoot up to the top of the airplane. it feels like eterpt, but it happened in two seconds. she landed back down. like what she said, i asked her if she was okay, and unfortunately, she had a broken ankle. and i that wasn't the end of it.

there was a lady right behind me who was in the bathroom at the time. and she came out with a huge laceration or cut above her head, blood coming out really bad. hopefully she is okay. >> yes, i know everyone was able to receive care. thank god you didn't. let me just play again, you hear this as people who were on the plane. this is what your pilots were doing. by the way, they sound incredibly calm, but they are making an emergency call. here it is again. >> allegiant 227, we have multiple head injuries and one broken ankle. >> moments later, of course your flight did land and safely. gosh, i'll show you a picture you took after the plane had just gotten back on to the ground.

at that point you know i'm here, i'm safe, i'm alive. what goes through your mind now as you even hear that, hear your pilots? >> it's comforting. i had no idea that they even knew the extent of the injuries. so they must have somehow communication with the -- well, there was one flight attendant that was not injured. she was probably in the front of the plane. both of the ones in the back where we were sitting, they were the ones that were hurt with the broken ankle, a and the other had a broken ankle until three places and a protruding bone. so she must have reported that to the pilots. but there was five that i can remember medical professionals that were on board. and they were wonderful. the one in my picture you see with the back of her head, the dark curly hair, she was a trauma nurse. and she was excellent to give care to the one flight attendant that she was attending to. and i know there was an rn with

the other flight attendant in the back. >> well, thank you both for coming on and telling your story. some people may have gone through. anyone can imagine the terror. and thank you for sharing it. and a reminder of how amazing flight attendants are. they take those risks and endure that and really how incredible. and thank you so much to both of you. and we're glad you're safe. thanks. >> thank you. and next, former president trump revealing new details about how he made more than a billion dollars since leaving office. that's next. that's my husband... what? it's the inspipire implant he got. he's not struggling with cpap anymore. all that rest is workrking wonders for him. and for me. gotta go. naughty girl. hi sweetie! ah! (scream) here comes the choo-choo train of love! inspire. sleep apnea innovation. learn more and view important safety information

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and finally tonight, $1.2 billion. that is how much former president trump says he has made since leaving the white house. that's according to his revised financial disclosure form, the most recent one. so where did the $1.2 billion come from? according to the filing, it lays out that trump made about $65 million in revenue from mar-a-lago, $2.5 million for offering up his life commentary of one single boxing match on the single anniversary of 9/11. more than a million dollars for going on tour with bill o'reilly. at least $2 million for events hosted by she and her husband founded the controversial unification church, a church widely described as a cult. and that is just a drop in the bucket compared to the 1 funny $2 billion in total. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts right now. tonight on "360," breaking news in both special counsel probes. we now know more about who in