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could set all-time records. 12 and a half years ago, the bodies of four people were found over several days buried on long island. all four women were murdered, wrapped in burlap. they were eventually identified as melissa bar tholmy, megan, marie -- and amber lynne costello, and they were not the only ones. investigators would uncover seven more sets of human remains across two long island counties, bringing the total to 11. but there were few clues. the case went cold. no arrests were made until now. tonight the remarkable story of how authorities came first to suspect and build a six-count murder case against a 59-year-old married architect with two children of his own in a home in a quiet long island neighborhood. miguel? >> reporter: anderson, i want to show you what's been happening outside this home. this case, this unsolved murders, have gripped long island and so many people for so
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long. police have been out here all day going through his home, bringing out tons of evidence. and even though they've only brought charges regarding three of those deaths near the beach, it has been received with enormous relief. >> i'm standing here with my law enforcement partners and the gill guo task force to announce the indictment of defendant rex andrew hereman. >> sex workers found tied up, their bodies wrapped in camouflage burlap, dumped on new york's long island. >> when i took office in january '22, i made gillgo a priority. >> reporter: the beach murders traumatized and captivated long island just east of new york city for more than a decade. now the suspect, as unthinkable as the thursdays themselves. >> this is a shock. i've seen some things, but this is wicked.
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>> reporter: rex hereman, 59, charged with three murders today. he faces a possible fourth murder charge. investigators say they identified him using dna from the bodies of the victims and from witness descriptions of him and the car he drove. investigators obtained hundreds of search warrants and subpoenas linking him to temporary burner phones and fake email accounts. investigators allege he used them to communicate with his victims, taunt the family of one of them, and search for information related to the investigation into the long, unsolved murders. >> we recognize that these crimes may have happened years ago, but that pain continues. >> reporter: investigators' biggest break came when they were surveilling heuerman at his office. he was eating pizza and discarded it in a public trash can. dna, say investigators, linked him to the murders.
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he's been charged with the murders of melissa bartholomew -- the investigation is continuing and he's also been named in the suspect of the murder of marie brainard barns. possibly a fourth now linked to one alleged killer so far. investigators say they made the arrest now because they fear heuerman could strike again. >> we learned that the defendant was using these alternate identities and these alternate instruments to continue to patronize sex workers. >> reporter: rex heuerman has pled not guilty and insists through his lawyer that he's innocent. he is an unlikely suspect, a husband, father of two, architect working in manhattan, dealing with arcane building co codes. in february 2022, he was
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interviewed for his job for a youtube show. >> i'm an architectural consultant. i'm a troubleshooter, born and raised on long island. >> reporter: many of their family members hope this will lead to answers about their loved ones. were they victims as well? >> i'm hopeful for the future and i'm hopeful a connection is made. >> what more are investigators saying about the suspect and his alleged crimes? >> reporter: my god, the more you dig into this, anderson, it is just shocking how much investigators have put out there. some seriously incredible investigative work that they have done. they're saying this guy became increasingly brazen through all this, saying he was using burner phones to search about the investigation itself. and with regard to that one taunting that he used a burner phone to call a relative of melissa, telling that person that he had both sexually assaulted and killed melissa, just shocking, anderson. >> that's incredible.
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miguel marquez. joining us now is suffolk county district attorney. thank you so much for joining us on this evening. what initially led you to this suspect? was there a first clue that was sort of an aha moment? >> well, i took office in january 2022. of course the investigation had been go on for about 12 years. so, we did sort of a soup to nuts analysis of the case, and we looked at some of the old evidence. and then we factored in some new evidence, specifically some information with regard to a car that the defendant owned. we were able to plug that into existing phone evidence, as well as some of the hairs that were left on the murder victims. and i think march 14th of 2022 was when we really focused on this defendant. and that had been the first time that this defendant had ever been identified as a suspect in these murders.
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>> so, he wasn't even identified as a suspect early on. it was march of 2022? >> that was the first time he was identified as a suspect. that's correct. >> and when did you know for sure, in your opinion, that he was the killer? >> well, i mean, i think that there's -- you know, it just kept on getting more and more interesting. i think if you look at the defendant, he has -- he's a very large person with a distinctive appearance. the witnesses at the time of amber lynn costello's disappearance really described a person that looked -- that appeared very much like the defendant. he owned a particular vehicle, a chevy avalanche. fbi agents back in 2012 established areas of interest of phone usage in both massapequa park and new york city, where it appeared as though the murderer was making phone calls.
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and this constrained area was exactly where this defendant lived as well as where he worked. so, you know, we kept on putting these things together, stringing them together. then, of course, following him, obtaining the abandoned sample, and then being able to link up some of the dna samples left at the scene with profiles of both the defendant and his relatives was very helpful. >> can you say how long you were following him for? like physically following him? >> well, it's very difficult to follow somebody 24/7. >> yeah. >> but, you know, we had the resources of our task force, fortunately. so, we had the resources of the suffolk county p.d. in this instance as well as the fbi. so, we were physically surveilling him, and then we have ways of electronically surveilling people, which i
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don't really want to get into. >> sure. >> so, we were -- the combination of the two, you know, we were gathering evidence. we felt comfortable. but then we got to the point where the interest in gathering evidence didn't override our concern for public safety, given his activities. >> and how much -- i mean, in the 12 and a half years, there's obviously been a lot of technological advances, changes in dna. how much of the technological changes in that time frame have been instrumental in helping? >> well, i think the thing that's really extraordinary about the case is the fbi, the cast agent, he did a phenomenal job, and he really -- back in 2012, you know, he set the course for the evidence. the women were out in a tough environment for a prolonged period of time. so, there was not a lot of forensic evidence. in fact, the hairs that we got
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in 2010 -- i'm sorry, 2011 -- you couldn't use traditional dna analysis methods. so, the dna technology improved where you could now go from -- you couldn't use what's known as traditional nuclear dna testing, but you could do mitochondrial dna testing. and as we got into the late teens and into the early '20s now, the technology caught up to where we could do that, which was very fortunate. >> well, it's extraordinary work. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. thank you, anderson. "the new york times" report 12 ayears ago drew on criminologists and experts to p and thaticture resembles the suspect. he's a white male in his mid 20s to mid 40s, married or has a girlfriend, well spoken, has a job, and owns an expensive car or truck. our next guest is former fbi
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senior profiler, currently director of the forensic program at george mason university. that profile seems to certainly fit this suspect. how common is it for a serial killer to have a spouse, to have a family, to have kids? >> well, we have many cases where these serial killers have families and they have children and they have jobs that they've held down for years. and it's this ability to live a normal lifestyle when they're not out killing that allows them to fly under the radar screen for years. so, we used to have a theory in the unit that if some cases go unsolved for a long time, we're probably looking for someone that's living that pro-social life and appears to be very normal to friends, neighbors, and family members. >> you just heard from the attorney. in the press conference he gave today, he said the suspect compulsively searched for
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information about the victims' families, taunting one family member of a victim, was contacted by someone claiming to be the killer. if these were the same person, what drives that sort of compulsion? >> well, that's the right word to use that those are compulsions. and one of the motivations that probably drives that is he's tried to monitor the investigation and trying to figure out exactly what's going on. and then another reason to do it is to enable him to relive the murder itself. so, if he did target one family member from one of the victims and continually called that person, that may have been because that particular victim was his favorite victim. i've done interviews with these serial killers, and they will tell you, i have a favorite victim. and they obsess on that one victim even long after they're gone. >> i don't even know if i should ask this, but what does that mean, a favorite victim? a favorite in terms of who that
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person was or how the killing went down? >> that is defined by them. for example, a favorite victim could be someone who fought back and didn't die quickly enough, so the serial killer liked that. another definition of a favorite victim could be the manner in which he killed her, and he's reliving that more really enthusiastically than some of the other victims. so, it really depends on what his definition is. but i've heard them say that on a number of occasions. >> wow. >> i had a favorite victim. so, i don't know if that's the case here and why he targeted that one family, but it also seems to blend in to the behavior at the crime scene. this individual seems to have sexually sadistic tendencies. and one of the things that often times kind of underpins making phone calls to a victim's family, which quite frankly is really high risk, is that they love the hear the fear in the family's voice and the sadness and the upset and the anger.
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so, that response they get from the family member can be actually sexually arousing to the serial killer. >> wow. and, i mean, do you think -- if this is the correct suspect, do you think he may have been involved with other killings? >> yes, i do. i do. and i say that for a couple of reasons. having worked many, many serial murder cases, this is not behavior that starts at 40 years of age. this is behavior we generally see beginning in late teens or early 20s. and we always look for practice murders when we're dealing with a serial sexual killer. those are the murders they commit prior to becoming a serial killer, where they decide on what weapon they want to use, who's their victim going to be, how do they approach the victim, what do they say? they have a period of years of practice until they get it down to the point where now it's exactly the way they want it to be. i think there are other murders out there, and i think eventually they will hopefully
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find most of them, maybe not all. but that's what we say. what is the full extent of this person's lethality. we're probably only looking at a partover it right now. >> i appreciate you being with us. there could be another person charged in the classified documents case. we'll talk to "new york times" maggie haberman about what she is reporting about who got a letter from the special counsel. and an escaped inmate armed and dangerous was spotted. i'll show you that video and what that may mean for the week-long manhunt, next. proven l that targets vital cell turnover, evens skin tone, and smooths fine lines. with visible results inin just one week. neutrogena® retinol. i truly don't understand how you can prefer cats over dogs. because cats are adorable. debatable. did you get that gif i sent you? oh, the gif? did you get that i definitely sent you a gif. i definitely received your gif. what is the point of dec coffee? it's t coffee you drink when you don't want have the jitters.
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tonight, developments in two separate investigations into the former president. the first is a cnn exclusive. two sources familiar with the special counsel's election interference probe telling us that prosecutors have interviewed the secretaries of state of pennsylvania and new mexico. they're the latest in a growing list of officials in states we know about. the second item is "the new york times" reporting a third person could be facing charges in the classified documents case. author of the best selling confidence man, the making of donald trump, the breaking of america, joins us now. what do you know about this employee that according to your reporting received a target letter from jack smith? >> this is a low level employee, anderson. but it is somebody who was before the federal grand jury in may. and prosecutors have continued
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to drill down on the question of whether anyone interfered with security footage, surveillance footage that the justice department was seeking and whether everything was complied with and whether statements were accurate. we don't know whether this person will be charged or not, but it does underscore this investigation did not end with the indictment of donald trump and wall street nauta. this investigation is continuing. we don't know what turns it will take, but additional subpoenas have been sent for more documents and more witnesses have been sent forward. >> do you know how wide the net is? >> it's a lot, and it's a wide range, anderson, between trump organization, mar-a-lago, specifically. people on his campaign, people from his former white house, people who worked for him at the time. people have been asked questions, you know, going back to how he kept records and his practices. it's a very, very extensive investigation, which we could get a sense of from just the sheer volume of discovery
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material that was turned over to the defense team. so, i anticipate that when it becomes clear how many witnesses we're talking about, we know the government has a list of 84 witnesses that they are interested in talking to. we'll see how the trump team handles it. i think it is going to be surprising to people just how wide this net was. >> and is it possible -- i mean, do they send a target letter intending to -- i mean, letting them know the person may be prosecuted, or is it also to possibly encourage somebody to flip? >> look, there's always a hope, i think, for prosecutors that somebody who is facing potential charges could end up cooperating. whether that actually means flipping or not in an investigation. so, that happens up until the point that there's charges. when a target letter is sent, it doesn't always result in charges, but it usually means charges. and recall that donald trump was sent a target letter before he was indicted by the justice department in june. >> and we learned late yesterday through reporting from you and
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kaitlan collins that hope hicks and jared kushner testified in front of the investigative efforts overturning the election. has there been reaction from the former president or his team? >> they're not surprised. they know that all these subpoenas have gone out. they know that prosecutors have been interested in talking to this list of people. they know that they are targeting the prosecutors' interviews with people in trump's immediate area when he was in the white house in those final months to try to get a sense of his mindset. so, there's not a lot of surprise. it's also not a comfortable thing. and no one on the campaign or the legal team particularly enjoys the fact that trump's family is involved. but they're not surprised. jared kushner worked in the white house. it is what it is. >> publicly the former president seems at rallies to talk about it. do you have any reporting on how he's viewing this privately? >> viewing which? the investigation or -- >> yeah. >> -- his indictment? >> his indictment and also all of the above really. he's sort of playing it off
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publicly has he's suffering this for, you know, everybody else's benefit. >> look, he is playing this politically. he has incorporated the indictment that he has already -- that he has now and the possibility of another and possibly yet another, one in georgia and one in washington over january 6th and his efforts to stay in power. he has melded this completely into his political campaign. and you're, i think, going to see that going forward for some time. he is -- you know, he laughs it off or he dismisses it or he describes it as a witch hunt. and the you're going to see that for a long time. he has been very angry at various points about the federal indictment in particular. he is facing a lot of legal action. he's not happy about any of it. but he's still going to make that a key feature of his messaging. in terms of prosecutors talking to members of his family, he is not happy about that. and it adds to his complaints privately that they are targeting him and targeting the trumps. >> and according to "politico"
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the former president is in talks to a sitdown interview on a podcast that mike tyson has. what's -- do you know much about the strategy behind that? >> so, there's a couple of things, anderson. number one, mike tyson is a very old associate of his. he was actually an adviser of sorts to tyson in the late 1980s. he was a huge defender of tyson when tyson was convicted on a rape charge and said it was a travesty. it's not surprising. it's also a reminder that trump has a unique niche that he tries to appeal to just in terms of cultural aspects to the country. he has been a public figure. he has been a celebrity. he has also been a sports figure, connected to the world of wrestling, connected to the world of boxing. and i think his campaign has long seen that as an advantage that it can press, especially as it tries to appeal to men. men is obviously a very broad category. it's often cut up into different groups among men. but that is his base of support.
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so, they are going to try to maximize his vote there. and it's not surprising that he's talking about it. it does seem that it's a potential recipe for things getting a little complicated in an interview, but we'll see. >> appreciate it. have a good weekend. coming up, camilla jayapal and republicans passed a bill loaded with provisions, abortion, medical training, and service training. we'll be right back. [ dog barks ] [ whimpers ] you hahave reached your destination. one e more? ♪ one morore time ♪ idid. light in the all-electric id.4. it's the little things.
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tonight, a deeply controversial version of a traditionally non-controversial
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defense bill is headed for the senate, complete with provisions for transgender care and diversity training in the ranks. those were demanded of house speaker kevin mccarthy all but doomed in the senate. i spoke about it just before air time with camilla jayapal. congresswoman, thanks for being here. can you explain your reasoning for why you voted against this defense bill? >> yes, anderson, this was a bill that became really an extreme maga republican bill that was not designed in any way to be able to get bipartisan support. as you know, the top line of defense spending is always a challenge for progressives, but this went far beyond that. not only is it the highest top line number we've seen in a very long time, they've put in all sorts of amendments that were added at the last minute, that aim to move towards an abortion ban across the country, basically ban abortion care and
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reproductive care for service members, eliminate gender-affirming care for trans folks and eliminate dei, diversity, equity, and inclusion, which, as you know, we're trying to build up our military, build up our troops. we need to have people from all over that represent different communities. and we have trouble recruiting right now as it is. so, this was a bill designed to appease the maga extreme right wing of their party, and it was terrible to see. i haven't seen such a divided partisan vote in the entire time i've been in congress. >> for speaker mccarthy, it was not just about appeasing the most extreme elements of the party. it was also to make democrats look bad, knowing most likely they would vote against it. i want to play something that speaker mccarthy said today about your vote and others, other democrats. >> why did the democrats vote no? technically it's a bipartisan
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vote if four democrats vote with us. are the rest of the democrats against a pay raise for their veterans? are they against deterring china for a safe future? are they against rooting out wasteful spending? because they all voted against it today. >> so, that's how he is portraying it. >> yeah. that's right. i think that this is his attempt to try and say that we don't support our service members, when in fact everything that we are about is making sure that we have a strong military, where service members get the support they need. and they made it such -- and you know this. you've been covering this issue for a long time. they made it such that they could only get four democrats who, by the way, you know, there were four republicans who voted no. so, that sort of evened itself out. this was not a bipartisan bill. and i think you're right. he wanted it not to be a bipartisan bill. and that is the issue with team extreme of the republican party. they're not interested in trying
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to pass things. they're not interested in trying to govern. they're not interested in getting that raise for service members. otherwise, they wouldn't have passed a bill that is not going to pass in the senate. there is no way this bill is going to pass in the senate, and we're going to have to have a bill come back to us. and we'll see what the republicans do at that point. >> i want to read something that you wrote about this today. you said, quote, trans children, parents, and medical professionals know what's best for their families, not republican legislatures trying to take their rights away. i'm horrified this pass through the house. i mean, it sounds like this is personal for you. >> it is personal for me, anderson. this is about life and death for our kids, to be able to get the care that they need and to be the heroes that they are in just trying to live their lives at a time that is incredibly difficult. so, yes, it's personal to me. but i can tell you, there are democrats and republicans and independents across the country who see this for what it is, a cruel, blindly partisan, extreme
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thing that republicans are trying to pin their, you know -- i guess what they're hoping is going to be a victory at the polls. i don't think it is. i think americans are going to see through it. >> finally, a defense bill does have to be passed. what do you think is going to happen in the senate? >> well, i think the senate is going to pass something that does have bipartisan support. but kevin mccarthy just put marjorie taylor greene on the conference committee, which means that he's still catering to those extreme right elements. and at the end of the day, the bill is going to have to come back to the house. it is going to have to pass the house. otherwise, we are not going to be able to support our military. and i think that republicans, you know, are going to try to say that this is democrats' fault. but everybody can see what happened today. they insisted on passing a very partisan bill. and anderson, they didn't even take bipartisan amendments that
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essentially didn't do that much but would have given a flavor of bipartisanship to the bill and perhaps encouraged more democrats to vote for it. but they just insisted on making it as extreme as they possibly could. >> congresswoman jayapal, thank for your time. some of the social issues the congresswoman and i talked about took center stage at an iowa gathering of evangelical pilgrimage for presidential hopefuls. not only do candidates use the event to burnish their -- newly passed abortion restrictions. >> reporter: iowa governor kim reynolds signing her state's six-week abortion ban into law on stage during the family leadership summit friday, which gathered evangelical voters in des moines. >> i could not imagine a more appropriate place to sign this bill. >> reporter: it was an issue florida governor ron desantis embraced. >> i will be a pro-life
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president. and of course i want to sign pro-life legislation. we need to develop a culture of life in this country. >> reporter: but he stopped short of committing to a federal six-week abortion ban. >> i will be somebody who will use the bully pulpit to support gov no, sir like kim reynolds. it's a critical issue and it's one i'm happy to have done. >> reporter: one conspicuous absence on friday, former president donald trump, who skipped the event but will travel to iowa next week. governor reynolds, popular among conservatives in the state, has pledged to remain neutral in the state's caucuses, but has appeared at several events with florida gov nar ron desantis, tim scott, and nikki haley. trump attacked him, writing on truth social, quote, i opened up the governorship position for kim reynolds, and when she fell behind, i endorsed her. desantis called reynolds a
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strong leader who knows how to avoid the chirping and get it done. >> isn't it good to be in a nation where you are free to praise the lord? >> reporter: trump's rivals, who continue to lag behind trump in the polls hoping to use his absence as a moment to stand out to voters. mike pence calling trump's words on january 6th, quote, reckless. >> whatever his intentions in that moment, it endangered me and my family and everyone that was at the capitol that day. i believe history will hold him accountable. >> reporter: and what we just heard from pence there is about as explicit as any criticism that we heard from the stage about former president donald trump, anderson. instead, the candidates really focused on talking about their own viewpoints, really trying to sell themselves to that critical voting bloc of evangelical voters and attacking democrats and president biden. >> appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, why doorbell
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now. investigators say that the video offers some important new information on the wanted inmate. brian todd continues to cover the man hunt for us in pennsylvania. here is his latest report. >> reporter: a compelling new piece of evidence tonight in the manhunt for escaped inmate michael burham in northern pennsylvania. the pennsylvania state police released this doorbell camera videos, saying this is burham walking past a home in an area just south of the city of warren. >> we consider this to be a confirmed sighting for a variety of reasons. >> reporter: police say this video was recorded in the last few days just after 5:00 a.m. >> he is becoming more desperate and will attempt to acquire the things he needs to survive. >> reporter: police believe burham has an injury to the ankle or leg. >> we believe he had an injury during the escape. >> reporter: this comes one day af police showed us this photo, saying they're confident this bag and tarp full of food and other items belong to burham.
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it was found in the city of warren in the woods. police called on burham to turn himself in. >> don't get anyone else hurt. don't get yourself hurt. we are going to capture you. >> reporter: burham is considered armed and dangerous and is wanted in several alleged cases, including the shooting death of a 34-year-old woman, a carjacking and kidnapping of an elderly couple, and setting his ex's car on fire. he escaped warren county prison thursday night through a hole in a cage in the gym, repelling down using bed sheets tied together. burham eluded law enforcement earlier this year before his arrest when it took two weeks to catch him. this dash cam video shows when law enforcement caught him in may. warren residents say they're taking every precaution necessary to remain safe. >> until he is captured, i'm going to be sitting here armed because i have the right to bear arms, and my wife and i both have permits.
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>> what message do police have for anyone going out in the area? >> reporter: anderson, there are a ton of hikers and campers in this area. the weekend is upon us. the weather is good. and that means a lot of them are going to be out. despite that and despite the fact that michael burham is considered armed, dangerous, and now police say he is dangerous, despite all that, george bivens of pennsylvania state police says he is not not recommending people cancel their activities this weekend. i pressed him on whether he would shut down certain areas of the weeds and forest around here. he says, basically i can't shut down huge swaths of territory in western pennsylvania. but he is advising people to be vigilant, keep an eye out for michael burham because he is now desperate according to police. >> as brian just mentioned, this is not the first time burham has been on the run. there was a carjacking, a kidnapping. he forced a couple to drive him to south carolina. that's where he was caught in may thanks to the actions of my
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next guest, who spotted burham hiding behind the shed on his property. joining me tonight is anthony phillips. thanks for joining us. can you just walk us through your encounter with the fugitive, michael burham, the last time he was on the run? >> we go around to the back, i open up the building door, look in the building door -- well, the shed door, garage door, all that. open that up, didn't see nobody. and shut the door. ain't nobody out here, baby. let's go on back in the house. and second jack russell terrier dog, she started growling. i was like, what's going on with her. and then went to the other side and growled and let off a bark. and i got to looking. i looked down. it was a pair of shoes on the right of the house. and i asked kyrsten, i said, whose shoes are those? she goes, i know they're not
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your shoes. and i got to looking a little bit more, and i seen something that said -- with white over the top of it. i got to looking and i set back, i said hey, hey. whenever i said that, michael burham stood up. and whenever he stood up, he threw his hands up. he said, i don't want any trouble. i'm not going to hurt anybody. i just want to grab my shoes and leave. and i went to hollering and cussing at him. my old lady, she was trying to get me to come back. i was more worried about getting her in the house than anything. i told her to go in the house and call the law. >> it's one thing to hear on the news that there's a guy who's escaped, who's on the run, and to know he's out there somewhere. but to actually suddenly see this guy on your property, what goes through your mind when you call him out and he gets up there with his hands up? >> i mean, it was kind of an
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adrenaline rush, man, i'll be honest with you. you go back and you're not expecting to see whatever you see and whenever you see you're like what? and you get thinking about it a couple days later, something really bad could have happened. i don't know if he was armed, but, i mean, i'm not going out there empty handed, you know? this could have went a completely different way. >> and you've seen this new video, i know, from police of him limping through a neighborhood. i mean, it's good they got the video. how long do you think he'll be out there for? >> man, i'll be honest with you, bubba, with that guy right there, there ain't no telling, man. i mean, if you sit there and you -- i been on facebook a lot and i've been looking at a lot of different posts and seeing the type of guy he is and seeing from what he did out here in berkeley county, bro, the cops are right here at the house
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within no time, and he still led them on over an hour chase. and i'm talking about within minutes, within two minutes, the whole yard was full. and he still led them on an over hour or so chase. so, there's no telling with him. i don't put anything past him. i really don't. i mean, the family that has all suffered because of what he's put them through, they need a little bit of justice. somebody needs to help them to a nice shiny set of handcuffs or -- i mean, it's not right. >> well, anthony phillips. i appreciate you talking to us, and my best to your wife. >> oh, thank you, sir. i appreciate you. y'all have a great night. record breaking temperatures around the globe. harry enten is here to break down the data. they survived a plane crash, how four young children are doing now. every night.
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currently in the middle of a weeks long long heat wave with no signs of slowing down. 2023 could be the hottest year on record. this week alone more than 90 million americans were on heat alerts, aaz heat dome expands over the country. death valley could crack 130 degrees this weekend. in agony, we turn to our senior data reporter, harry enten. how do these recent temperatures track with heat waves of the past? >> it is hot. t tell you, it is hot. >> is that what the data says? >> yes. why don't we look globally first. it's important to see domestically and global. the last 11 days globally have been warmer than any other on record since at least 1979. why i say since at least 1979 is
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because we don't have records going back further than that. there are some people believe these are the warmest 11 days basically within the last 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 years. >> we don't have records going back past 1979? >> not for global temperatures. we have for local, states, counties, locally. but looking at the entire globe, we can't exactly say where the place is. but i said, let's put it in a global context and we'll take it domestic. look at phoenix, arizona. they have haa high temperature reach at least 110 degrees every day this month. it lasts all the way back to the end of june. >> it's crazy. >> and there's no relief in sight. they're going for a record, if we have it, going all the way into the middle of next week, it will reach the record for most consecutive days in phoenix with at least 110. and if i could say one more thing about phoenix. i love the city of phoenix. and that is this. the nighttime temperatures have not dropped below 90 degrees the last few nights. >> that's crazy.
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>> so, there's no escaping this heat. and that is because of something called urban heat island, which is all the infrastructure that's been built up around phoenix, all the concrete roads, all that retains the heat. so, there's no escaping the heat whatsoever. >> urban heat island? >> urban heat island. >> it sounds like a british reality show. >> maybe so, maybe so. i will say that alec from high school did star in a british reality show. but this is actually something that's real. we see it in new york city all the time. it's part of the reason why in snowstorms often times you'll see bigger snowstorms in the surrounding areas than in manhattan. >> i lost you on the snow. i had forgotten that last summer it was more than 60,000 people died in europe during heat waves. we don't see those huge numbers of deaths in the u.s. is the difference most people there -- many people there don't use air conditioning? >> yeah. god bless air conditioning. that's all i can say. god bless it. one of the great inventions we've ever had. about 99% of households in the
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phoenix metro area have air conditioning. about a little bit more than 90% of households nationwide in the united states have air conditioning. >> less than 5%? >> less than 5% in the united kingdom have air conditioning. they're over there saying, oh, those people in the united states, they're hurting the environment with air conditioning. that may be true. but if you look at the numbers on heat waves, air conditioning is the major difference. >> i was in -- a couple days, no air conditioning anywhere. >> there's no air conditioning. >> it's crazy. >> it's crazy, right? >> nuts. >> who would want to go over to europe in the summer, especially as we're seeing all this heat right now. there's no way. there's no way. >> yeah. do you have any data that's fun, that's not sad here? >> let me ask you a question. where do you keep your air conditioner when you set it? >> so, you mean like on really hot days? >> a really hot day. >> somewhere like 73. >> yeah. >> 74? >> yeah -- >> at night i might drip down to
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