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hotel in beverly hills the trash can, so it wasn't like i went into. into a compost and stuffed it in. so i took it and put it in the garbage in the hotel room. and then we went to sleep and then we woke up i said i am ordering some breakfast. she said yeah, get me, order me something, get some coffee and she said don't forget to take your emmy out of the garbage can. we hope michael's future emmy's stay out of the trash and good luck to all of our guests at the awards ceremony on september 18th. thank you for watching, you can catch my full interviews with ronna mcdaniel and goldie hawn anytime you want on max. and please join us here on cnn every friday night to find out who's talking next.
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>> for both pennsylvania and new mexico have been interviewed by federal prosecutors in the election probe and the "new york times" reporting that a low level employee at the trump organization has received a letter from the special counsel on the dock.s case warning of a possible indictment. the employee testified before the grand jury possibly about security camera footage at mar-a-lago and prosecutors are trying to determine if the testimony was truthful. if that all seems like a locality, it's because -- a locality, it's because it is a lot. tuesday judge eileen cannon will hold a hearing in the case and it will be about how to handle classified information involved in the case. with all of this, i have to catch my breath. how will trump's teams handle this cruel, cruel summer? >> we'll start with cnn's senior legal analyst. we want to start with this "new york times" report of a target
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letter in the mar-a-lago documents case to this low level trump organization employee. the bigger picture, what does that tell you is going on here? >> it's very interesting. we should not just overlook it. prosecutors send target letters when they believe someone is likely to be a defendant. we know jack smith and his team send target letters. they sent one to donald trump before making him a defendant. this mar-a-lago employee is now a likely not deferent but likely defendant. >> low level may actually mean fruitful. >> low level can make big cases. >> all right. with all this information that we just outlined, and all the questions we now believe special counsel is asking in the elections probe, if they were to make a case against donald trump on january 6th, what would that
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case be do you think? how would they doubt? >> let's see. may it please the court. your honor. this is a conspiracy. this was a plot. the person behind it was donald trump. the goal was to steal the 2020 election. this was a plot built on a lie. the lie that donald trump had won the election when in fact he had not. donald trump and his people he would argue got together and did everything in their pow tore steal that election. they created fake dock dements saying these are the elect or thes, people who were not elected. they had been elected for joe biden and not trump. they pressured state and local officials asking them to find votes. they pressured mike pence when all else failed trying to pressure him to violate his oath and the constitution to throw away electoral votes and when that failed, trump made an
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inflammatory post sending his people to the capitol >> you just made that case not because you believe it's a strong case or that they will that case but if there is a case that's what it might look like. similarly i'm going ask you what specifically do you think based on everything we've seen trump could if he is be charged with >> it's important we be specific here because people say january 6th. pressuring the vice president. those things are not crimes. here's what could be the crimes. first of all, obstruction of an official proceeding. trying to stop congress from counting the votes. that charge has been brought against over 300 people who stormed the capitol successfully by doj. thank you also have conspiracy to defraud the united states. that's a bigger and broader view of the conspiracy. they were threeing to steal the election. then you have false statements. that relates to the elector certificates that i talk about claiming that these people were elected to vote for donald trump. and then a long shot that -- i
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think there's legitimate questions but potentially incitement for inciting the riot. i don't think that will stand because his words were too am big ewous and at one point he said you need to be peaceful and patriotic. >> we have not heard of any questions being asked about that specifically until this point by the federal prosecutors. stand by if you will. i want to bring in former assistant special watergate prosecutor john sale. john, thank you for being with us. you just heard a frormer federal prosecutor lay out a possible case against donald trump for january 6th. so what would a possible defense against those charges be? >> we are both alumni out of southern district so i want to say eli gave a very eloquent opening statement and the defense is simple. the defense is lack of criminal intent. i want to say something about
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the special counsel. the special counsel, jack smith, was not appointed to indict donald trump. he was appointeded to do a thorough investigation, analyze the facts and the law and if it turns out that people are responsible for this attack upon democracy for this threat to the peaceful transition of power but the evidence doesn't go as high as donald trump, the special counsel has not failed in his obligation. he's going to just call it the way he sees it. but i think the whole case is about intent. there's not any question what happened. we all watched it. i mean, the american people are witnesses if it was a witness list there would be two or 300 million people put on this list. it's a matter of whether or not donald trump had the requisite criminal intent and when he goes around the country now saying the election was stolen, it was stolen, he is maybe playing that
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card that he just did not have the criminal intent necessary for any of the charges that eli laid out. >> because he's proving this theory would go that he believes the election was stolen correct? >> yeah. and there's circumstantial evidence to refute that and a judge will tell the jury that's just as good as direct evidence but juries don't believe that. there is some direct evidence but it's a tough case against donald trump. and we'll see. >> since we have you here and since you are playing the role of the prosecutor, i asked you this last night but since the esteemed counsel for the defendant has suggested intent is the biggest obstacle, are there charges that could be filed without having to prove intent here snr. >> you always have to prove intent. the best defense is the prosecution has not proved intent. if i had to i would look to
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speaking of this week's news i would look to evidence that donald trump acknowledged he knew he lost. then i would like to evidence that he was told by credible sources he lost. not as good because other people told him he won. and then finally there are some things where even if he truly believed he won, you still can't cross certain lines. you still can't threaten people or ask a secretary of state on a state level to find you votes. i think that's what prosecutors would say on the intent issue. >> of the various reports of questions that have been asked, the various witnesses who have come forward that we now know to testify in this case, who would make the trump team the most nervous? if you were defending trump in this case, what testimony, what evidence would make you the most nervous? >> that's easy for me. the most significant witness? h had had in this grand jury has
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been mike pence. we don't know what he stowed the grand jury. -- said to the grand jury. we only know what he's been saying politically. if there is a case against the the president of the united states and his principle witness is his vice president is staggering. but mike pence politically doesn't want to be the person who takes down donald trump but he had the conversations, he had a private conversation with president trump day before january 6th and then a week later he had a private conversation and i think but none of us knowna whatever those conversations were, under oath in the grand jury, mike pence told the truth. he doesn't -- i don't know what he's saying in the political arena. that's a whole different ball game and not my expertise but i think the former vice president, his running mate could be the most compelling witness. mark meadows being a second. >> quickly, what could mike
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pence say about donald trump that could get him or put him in trouble? >> he could say that i know i lost the election. we got to do something to keep that sob or whatever he would refer to because he's a name caller president biden out and i don't care what it takes and you got to -- you don't have the courage and that type of testimony. >> i have to say if i ever get in trouble and hope i never do, i would hire that law firm very quickly. >> thank you very much. so there seems to be an absession with man flesh long -- obsession with man flesh among some republican candidates. is it a it goes around traditional media, forgets that more than half of voters are actually women or is super freaking hunky? stay with us. the answer is head.
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>> on the campaign trail today what appears to be an obsession with man flesh. politico reports donald trump has been trying to get onto mike tyson's pod cast. the interest is part of a broader strategic outreach to nontraditional outlets specifically affiliated with male audiences with interest in contact and combat sports. chris christie got into the action too with an assist from pierce morgan. >> if you and trump got in the ring he loves his ufc and stuff like that. if you got in there who would win? >> come on. guy 178 years old. -- 78 years old >> contact and combat sports. >> and then there's that home
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phobic/homo err rottic video with you the ron desantis including brad pit as noted warrior achilles. part of the fixation on punching and fighting and touching might be an attempt to attract male voters. i happen to know some men. some of my best friends are men. and i'm reliably told some men are actually into noncontact activities. right? and some women by the way love the mma stuff. so what is going on here? with us now is jennifer kingston, host of the conversations with coleman pod cast >> so broadly speaking all this man centric contact sports stuff
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we're seeing here is it because it goes around traditional media, plays to a key element of the republican base, forgets more than half of voters are women, or is super freaking hunky. >> i think circumventing traditional media is the thing here. going with mike tyson he's setting him up for an access hollywood moment. tyson went to jail for rape in 92 at a time when trump went on the howard stern show and said it was a travesty and that tyson should be able to pay to avoid jail time for the rape of a beauty queen contestant. i think there's a lot of potential for people to get in big trouble with this locker room talk though i would like to
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see elon musk fight with mark zuckerberg. >> it comes with some risk. >> absolutely. >> all right. >> well, joe rogan's pod cast is the me carcinoma of this genera. he refuseded to have donald trump on his podcast. he has the biggest podcast in this space so trump's attempt to go to someone like mike tie sewn is an end run around the elephant in the room. in defense of mike tyson, not his crimes that he actually served time for, but if thank you look at. way he speaks now he doesn't speak the same way he spoke when he was a young buck. he talks about his feelings. he has a much more rounded and sort of wholistic way of speaking so i'm curious to see that kind of conversation. >> would you have trump on your podcast? >> no. >> then again, as far as we know you're not an mma fighter. >> not yet but apparently everyone's doing it. do you want to get in the ring
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with me? >> way too much touching. so cnn reports that the desantis team is trying to ally all these concerns going on telling supporters we're pacing ourselves. up until the first debate. however, some republics invested fear desantis is wasting valuable time by waiting for the first debate to gain traction against the campaign of a former president. desantis insists it's still very early in the political calendar. so looking at the first debate as a coming out party, is that smart? patience is a vir which you. b, way too long to lay low, risky there are other people who will with on that stage gunning for him, chris christie, and, d, maybe setting the bar too high for himself. what do you think? >> i think he wants to wait. i think reporting shows that the more he gets in front of voters the lower he goes in the polls.
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axios covered a focus group with minnesota swing voters who saw some of the stuff he put out on lgbtq people and decided that it was -- he was a want to be dictator that was a word that was used. >> in the focus group? >> in the focus group. and it was troubling some of the rhetoric he was putting out. i think that he risks in the debate coming across as a cerebral prig quoting the federalist papers and he'll need to work on his image to get his message across to voters and when he starts walking about wokism and immigration and other things he may be able to come through to break through but for the moment he's got a lot of work to do. >> coleman. >> yeah. ty mean, i'll say a as well only because i don't think the desantis campaign has much to worry about yet. i don't think this is actually an emergency moment because i
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actually went back and looked at this time in the campaign in 2007 who was polling 20%, desantis, barack obama. at this point in 2015, trump. it's still very early days right now and he's kind of where he needs to be in terms of the historical precedent if he's going make that strike. >> that's what the desantis campaign is arguing. we can be the 2016 trump. now the difference is that trump led in the polls. and desantis has never led and obviously will have to if he wants to win. thank you both so much for playing. great to see you. >> a string of murders that terrorize long island for more than a decade possibly solved today and you will never guess how they caught the suspect. plus, hollywood on strike. fireman dresher joins us live.
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>> sex workers dumped here gilgo beach on long island. >> when i took office on january of 22 i made gilgo a priority. >>reporter: the murders traumatized and captain vised long island for more than a decade. now the suspect as unthinkable as the murders themselves. >> this is a shock. like i said, 29 years here. i've seen some things but this is -- >>reporter: the suspect is 59 charged with three murders today. the investigation continuing. he faces a possible fourth murder charge. investigators say he identified heurrman using dna from the bodies of the victims and witness descriptions of him and the car he drove. investigators obtained hundreds of search warrants and subpoenas linking heurrman to temporary burner phones and fake email accounts. he allegedly used them to communicate with his victims, taunt the family of one of them
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and search for information related to the investigation. >> we recognize that these crimes may have happened years ago but that pain continues. >>reporter: investigators biggest break came when they were watch, heurrman at his mid town office. dna from the crust linked heurrman to the murders. heurrman has been charged with the murders of three women, all sex workers, all in their 20s. the investigation is continuing and is also been named as a suspect in the murder of another woman. in all, there were 11 bodies found in and around gilgo beach. only three and possibly a fourth now linked to one alleged killer so far. investigators say they made the arrest now because they feared heurrman could strike again. >> one reason why we had to take this case down was we learned
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that the defendant was using these alternate identities and -- >>reporter: heurrman has pled not guilty and insists through his lawyer that he's innocent. he is an unlikely suspect. a husband, father of two, and architect working in manhattan dealing with acane building codes. in february 2022, he was even interviewed about his job for a youtube show. >> rex heurrman, i'm an architect, consultant, troubleshooter. born and raised on long island. >>reporter: as for the several other victims found, many of their family members hope this will lead to answers about their loved ones, were they victims as well? >> i'm hopeful for the future and that a connection is made. >>reporter: i want to give you a sense of what's happening outside the heurrman home and has been all day long. just a huge number of
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investigators who have been in that home pulling out evidence throughout the day. several different jurisdictions represented here today. investigators also say that mr. heurrman became increasingly brazen during all of this using burner phones to search for instance about the investigation itself. that was concerning to them. they also say in taunting one of the victims that he used a burner phone to call a relative of one of his victims telling that person that he had sexually assaulted and killed their relative. the next court hearing is set for august 1. wow. thank you so much. with me now is billy jensen, cohost of unravelled long island serial killer podcast. bizarre story with these facts. what do you think of the arrest? is this an unlikely suspect? >> no. he's actually a very good
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suspect. the fact that he lived where the calls were coming from, the taunting calls that we knew about and he also worked in midtown manhattan which is also where some of the calls came from. he was called potentially a contractor possibly at this time all kind of lines up. there's nothing really suppliesing. what's surprising is why it took so long. >> why did it take so long? any thoughts? >> yeah. you know, the fact that they knew that when it comes -- it seemed to me that it came from the amber costello investigation and what amber would do is amber would roll some of her johns meaning that she would invite a john over, she was a sex worker, invite a client over and then a guy would jump in one of her friends and say this is my girlfriend and empty the pockets of the john. the john would just give money and go away. they had done this to a man a
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couple of days apparently before he went missing and they described him as six four to six six. drove a chevy avalanche which is not a typical car on long island. a dark color. and he was just a very big guy. the fact that they had that information and knew this killer was probably from the area it seems like they could have narrowed him down but we know that the police department had so much corruption and we know that they kicked out the fbi a year into it that's one of the reasons why they were not able to get it but he should have been caught way earlier. >> yeah at this time mean -- yeah, this all points to be planned out and calculated. burner phones. committing crimes when his family was out of town. internet search history related to the gilgo beach murder investigation. does that make sense to you? >> once you zero in on him then
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you can start combating the svens and that's what -- getting the subpoenas. this was an interesting to go about capturing this guy because there were able to go through a grand jury, able to get apparently 300 subpoenas and they were subpoenaing everything from his burner phones to google searchs and that's where we awe all these searchs and there's still a lot of questions. there are ten cannonical long island serial killing victims found on ocean parkway. he's charged in three, a suspect in four with six bodies out there still confirmed >> i think that's hard for people to process here. do you think it's possible he gets charged with more or is it possible there's a totally separate killer out there? >> i tnk it's very possible there's a separate killer out there. we he the two victims whose bodies were found in gilgo beach
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as well as in mannerville which is a few miles east of gilgo beach and then we have peaches and the bay bay, the biological asian male, there are -- the gilgo four were all petite, using craig's list and the internet in order to find their clients and were all found in a similar fashion wrapped in burr lap. so i think it's very possible that there is not only another killer out there but multiple killers. >> so, look, this scared sod many people on long island for so long. do you plan to go back now piecing things together sort of from the beginning based on this? what do you expect to hear if you do? >> i think have to definitely go back and do a timeline of this person's life. where they've been and vacation and have gone to because the fact that -- did he obligate kill four people?
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-- only kill four people? another fascinating thing about this case is that as they were monitoring him and watching him it seemed he was continuing to go to sex workers and continuing to -- so how are they making sure that these sex workers were actually safe. it's -- there's going to be a lot of questions that need to be answered here because it seems to me that they rushed this -- that sounds like a weird word because they seem to have gotten his name over a year ago but they felt the pub lib was not safe -- public was not safe and made the arrest today. >> i think you have a lot to think and talk about. thank you so much for being with us. really appreciate it. >> so quiet on the set. all the sets. because there is a strike or frankly two in hollywood. sag president fran dresher is
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my mother had three rules, never make contact with a public toilet, never ever ever cross a picket line, what was the third one? oh, yeah, never wear musk oil to the zoo. >> that is fran dresher. sag has joined the writers guild on strike after failing to reach a deal with studios this weak. this is the pursed time since 19606 actors and writers have been on strike together. the union's demands include beer pay, streaming residuals,
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protections on artificial intelligence uses rt of the do -- voice acting and narration means no auditions, no rehearsals and no promotional activities including premiers, festivals, and press junckets. hollywood shut down. with me is fran dresher and duncan ireland. thank you for being with us. fireman, madame president, demands include better pay and benefits, protections on ai use, why do you think the studios refused? >> i think that they thought that we would be a pushover to just do incremental changes on an essentially archaic contract that was forged decades ago and no longer reflects the new
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business model of streaming which is very much saturated the business and taken over in a way that demands new structure for the contract being implemented why did you have to take a stand do you think? >> well, this is the contract that is going to redefine how this industry treats performers. and they've been building a new industry with an old contract and now the contract expired and it's time to catch up to the new technology that really has disembowaled the old business model. so we knew that it had to be a seminal negotiation or we were going to be left behind in a
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contract that did not afford us the economic growth that we need. you know. that matches up with inflation, that gives us the level of revenue sharing that we're used to upon which the old contract was predicated no longer exists. >> duncan, the executives say that they offered a ground breaking deal on artificial intelligence. what was that? >> yeah. thank you know, it's interesting that they would call it ground breaking, call it unprecedented. that's only because there's nothing there to start from and no provisions there. the fact of the matter there is that our members need something very basic calls is the ability to control the use of their faces, voices, personas when they're turned into digital replicas or when they're used in ai systems and the companies have not been willing to do enough to make sure that they
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feel comfortable that they're not going to have those things used without their consent and without fair compensation and in fact they've made proposals that facilitate the opposite. that facilitate getting up front consent years before projects are ever made. getting consent from someone who's maybe going to get their first chance to act and then have their digital replica used for the entire future of that universe without any kind of consent or additional compensation. it's not right. it's not fair. and that's why we can't make a deal with them on terms they've presented but we've told them what actors need and it's simple for them to step forward and work out a deal with us on those terms. >> so i'm seeing that the average yearly salary for worker act sores is $65,000. fran, how long do you think people, your members, can hold out? >> well, you know, they're really very enthusiastic. i mean, we had an unprecedented
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turnout in favor of the strike authorization vote, 97.91% so even when duncan and i in good faith tried to convince them that we felt that it was our responsibility to use an extension to try and avert a strike and we did a 12 dave extension which was not worth doing because they barely came out of their room. constantly canceled our negotiatiing appointments. i thought maybe they were really duking it out to try to come up with some deep in roads for the negotiation and it did not work out that way. i think they duped us to have more time to promote share summer movies but nothing significant came out of it. it was a gross disappointment.
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and as the clock ticked away, it was time to move into phase two of this negotiation which doesn't mean that we stopped negotiating but we stopped extending the contract. so right now, we're on strike and there is no contract anymore. it's expired. >> i want to put up on the screen for people to see the statement from the alliance motion picture alliance saying the union has regrettably chosen a path leading to financial hardship. duncan, i want to give you the last word here on that. what do you say to that. >> you know, it is really outrageous that they would say that because the union spent 35 days trying to make progress on issues of critical importance to our members. the union spent that time trying to make sure that our members minimum salaries even keep up with inflation and that our members working in 2023 don't make less than they made in 2020
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or even under the proposal ease from the companies in 2026 working for less they made in 2020. these are all proposals we came forward with in good faith and to have these corporate megacorporations tell us that these proposals are unrealistic like bob iger did in an interview the other day while they're paying executive salaries that are far more that many of these proposals would ever cost it's really out of step with where the american public is. it's certainly out of step with where our membership is. and i have every belief as fran just said our members are ready, willing, and able to do what it takes to win this strike but i want to note we also are ready willing and able to come back to the bargaining table and negotiate at any time and that's something the companies have not been willing to do. >> okay. thank you very much for being with us tonight. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back.
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