the highest concentration of the disease. the top three counties, miami-dade county, baltimore, and the bronx. in those three areas, about one in six seniors have the disease. some other interesting findings here, the report noted that rates among black seniors are more than double those of white seniors. and when you break it down by gender, the rates are 13% higher among senior women than among men. all this new information coming as we also learn a second alzheimer's drug could soon be approved in the united states. eli lilly releasing phase three clinical trial results for its drug today. it found patients taking the drug in the early stages of alzheimer's have 35% slower disease progression than those that took the placebo. researchers point out they're hesitant about how long that benefit may last. still important information. thanks so much for joining us. i'm erica hill in for erin burnett. burnett. "ac 360" starts now.

-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. tonight on 360, cornell west, why he's running and how he answers concerns. also tonight robert kennedy jr.'s bizarre remarks on covid saying it was targeted to attack caucasians and black people, which the white house called today, quote, vile. later the couple whose dog whose quick action led to the escape of an escapee. town hall this evening in new hampshire. joe manchin and jon huntsman were the headliners. senator manchin refusing to rule out a third party campaign saying, quote, if i get in a race, i'm going to win. there's some appetite among voters for major party front runners. the question is how much of an appetite and to what effect. new labels is drawing fire from

democrats saying it would csiphn voters from president biden and put donald trump back in the white house. ross perot in 1992, taking republican votes from george h.w. bush. ralph nader got nearly 100,000 votes in florida, a state that delivered the presidency to george w. bush by fewer than 600 ballots. and jill stein was accused of being a spoiler in several states hillary clinton narrowly lost. a trump/biden match-up could be closer. polling average right now, there's only a .2 percentage point margin separating the two. jill stein is campaign manager for 2024 green presidential party candidate, cornell west, who joins us now. dr. west, appreciate you being with us. good to see you. >> always good to see you. i salute the gifts from heaven, brother sebastian. >> they're doing well.

he seems to be testing the parties, he says the parties are too far to the left and to the right. what do you think of his politics? >> i just read the pamphlet "common sense" and they had the audacity to rename that af thomas payne's revolutionary pamphlet of 1976 that was critical of everyday people. i don't think that the no labels party, with their $100 million flowing already, fundamental focus on what i'm concerned about, which is the plight of poor and working people trying to come to term with the cop cities, the critiques of the cop cities, trying to come to terms with striking workers, be amazon or understand ups. coming to terms with the fossil fuel companies, steel, corporate greed running out of control. we're at a moment now, my brother, where if we don't come to terms with this massive callousness and indifference to

the plight of poor and working people, we're going to lose everything. the planet, democracy, qualitative relations with each other. that's how life and death, like our situation is, my brother, very much so. >> you know the concern. certainly you've been asked this question a million times from a lot of democrats and republicans against trump, that a third party candidate could siphon votes from president biden. david axelrod tweeted saying in 2016 the green party played an outside role in the tipping to donald trump. now with cornell west, they could likely do it again. risky business. i know you said you don't believe jill stein made that big of a difference. how do you answer that critique that you will be siphoning votes away and potentially leading to a trump victory? >> well, part of it is that nearly 40% of our precious citizens every two and four years decide not to vote at all.

and we know that the so-called spoilers, which is a category you can imagine i don't accept at all. two-thirds of those who vote, it could be gary johnson, jill stein, ralph nader, whoever. people say they'll never vote for the two parties. i can understand. those two parties become two corrupt. too many of the politicians themselves are just cowardly, will just say anything. what about truth? what about justice? truth and justice, bigger than all of us, bigger than every party, every race, every person. if you're concerned about truth and justice, then you can't be cowardly, complacent, and conformist. and especially if you look at the world through the lens of those who are incarcerated, those in ghettos and hoods and barrios. brother axelrod looks at the world through the lens of establishment. of course he's concerned about reproducing the establishment. my god, my god. there's no doubt about that. in the 1850s, both parties

supported slavery. >> but i think he's probably more -- i think he seems more -- you know david axelrod, he seems more interested in prevents former president trump from getting re-elected than recreating the establishment. >> i'm talking about the democratic party establishment though, brother. >> oh, i see. >> aalen rod, you see what i mean? he's part of the democratic party establishment. >> his interests -- i don't want to speak for him. but you criticize -- >> absolutely. >> you criticize president biden saying recently that he contributed, in your words, i'm quoting, contributed to crimes against humanity in the 1990s. you're referring to the law enforcement act that then senator biden sponsored. you said it's very clear that his cognitive powers are in decline. you have had a remarkable career. you've championed those whose voices have been silenced all your life. we've had you on the program a ton of times talking about that. you've never run a large

bureaucracy or had a major governmental leadership role. isn't that important to governing as president? >> absolutely. i would have to bring in people who are experienced. but important thing is your vision and the lens through which you view the world. policy is something that can be worked out in lugt of vision. if your vision is one of militarism abroad, then you're going to be preoccupied with wars and militaristic adventures. we've known biden's got a long history. i don't think he's actually seen a war that he hasn't supported. i think the invasion and occupation of iraq was a crime against humanity. how many precious hundred of thousands of iraqis were killed based on lie. biden was running interference in that regard. mass incarceration is a crime against humanity. i've stayed in contact with the rich humanity of my brothers and sisters who have been incarcerated, many have done things they shouldn't have done, many because they're innocent. there are sites of barbarity.

we ought to be ashamed to look at a country when you look at the condition of our brothers and sisters who are incarcerated. it's not just the 1994 crime bill. you can go back to the biden bills of '86 and '94. it's just a matter of being truthful. i'm not trying to trash brother biden, i'm really not. i'm trying to make him accountable for his actions in light of how the earth is treated in this nation and around the world. and that's true for any politician, be it obama, biden, clinton, bush, trump, all of them have to be measured by the same standard of truth and justice. >> i want to ask about the war in ukraine because i saw you tweeted out. you said nato is an expanding instrument of global power that provoked russia into criminal invasion and occupation of ukraine. you said this proxy war between the american empire and russian federation could lead to world

war iii. we must stop the war and war crimes, including cluster bombs by all parties and embark on diplomatic talks that should lead to a just peace. how are you going to bring all sides to the table on ukraine? and do you really believe that nato provoked russia into invading ukraine? >> well, when russia was promised nato not move one inch and then a few years later you've got 13 former soviet -- >> but wait a minute, you're talking about in 1990, there was an agreement signed that nato would not move into east germany. but actually nothing was said about further east. and at the very least afs ambiguous. >> it was formal and informal talks. you know the great george kinnen, who probably the finest minds of the establishment when it comes to foreign affairs. he said he doesn't understand why nato needs to exist anymore because defense said the collapse of the soviet empire, you no longer needed nato.

europe could come up with its own security. >> it doesn't seem like that -- >> -- as the arm of the american empire. >> you don't believe that the people of ukraine right now need nato to defend against russian aggression? >> well, the people of ukraine right now, who are suffering -- and i'm in deep solidarity with their suffering -- they are being caught between this proxy war between the american empire and the russian federation. now -- >> that's not really true. but dr. west, i mean, early on -- you're far more educated than i am. but early on it was poland, czechoslovakia, and hungary who wanted to join nato. warsaw countries, suddenly free, did not want to be under the yoke of the former soviet union any longer, and they are the ones who applied to join nato. it wasn't the u.s. pushing these countries in an expansion play. it was these countries suddenly free, the people in those

countries saying, we want to be in the eu. nato is the fastest way, the steppingstone, theeu, we want want that. we want to turn to the west. would you have denied hungary, czechoslovakia, the choice? >> one, i would have followed george kennedy. i would abolish nato right after the collapse of the soviet empire, and i would have tried to welcome russia into the nation, the community of nations, rather than trying to push them against the wall. we know their system of repression and domination is one in which they're going to feel as if their backs are against the wall. i think you would probably agree that if russia or china had missiles in canada or mexico targeting washington, d.c., u.s. government would blow them to smithereens. that's how empires behave. you've read the history. i know the history. we're critical of imperial activity, no matter who it is, american, russian, and what have you. but america is the most powerful empire in the world, in the

history of the world, my brother. and it seems to me if we can't dismantle that empire in order to empower poor and working people here and abroad, we're going to lose our democracy. it's almost like rome, cicero against julius caesar. what happens when your empire begins to take over your democratic possibilities? >> i just spoke to the foreign minister of ukraine. we're going to have that interview later on. i think if you said to him you're standing with the people of ukraine in solidarity and you're saying that they are just victims in this proxy war, he would say, you're out of your mind. i mean, they are -- they are thankful for nato. they are thankful for the u.s. you can call it the american empire. but they are thankful for these countries rallying to their side. i've been there. you've probably been there as well. it is a horrible -- it's an invasion of killing civilians in cities. >> it is a criminal invasion

ooich. i'm not denying it's a criminal invasion. but you go back to one month after the war began, my brother, i'm calling for ceasefire. >> you can call for ceasefire. vladimir putin isn't really listening to what you say or i say or anybody says. i mean, he's doing what he wants to do, just like he slaughtered -- >> well, he was d-- >> you saw what he did to grozny in the 90s. the world didn't come to the rescue of grozny. he did exactly what he wanted to do. unchecked, he will slaughter people. >> well, i mean, unchecked, he will slaughter folk. unchecked, what we did in iraq was slaughtering people. unchecked, what we've done in other places -- >> but, sir, dr. west -- dr. west, do you really -- >> they're wrong. when they're wrong, you have to point it out. >> i respect you. you know i love you, but i do

think it's inappropriate to compare the russian bombing of grozny and what we witnessed there with the war in iraq. i mean, to say that innocent -- innocents were killed. there's no doubt about it. horrible things happened -- >> half a million iraqis killed, my brother? half a million. >> listen, i was there. i was there. >> you saw it. >> i certainly understand. i saw a lot of americans getting killed, and i saw the horrors of saddam hussein. i'm just saying i don't think it's accurate to compare the pummelling of a city by russian artillery with civilians inside, pummelling every single day with the intention of just destroying and flattening a city with actions the u.s. took. i mean, i don't know -- look, you know, war is -- horrible things happen in wars. >> absolutely. absolutely. but i mean, you know and i know,

any comparative analysis of levels of barbarity and cruelty is going to lend itself to this ugly blood that we don't want to get into. all i'm saying is you can't just jump into a situation where people are being treated barbarically. there's no doubt the people are being treated in a barbaric way. the context is one in which that did not have to be if the expansion of nato and nato is an arm of the american global power network. it's just a fact. >> what you're saying, though, in ukraine is that ukrainians are just going to have to compromise and give up their land because -- >> no, no, i'm not saying that. >> you said, there have to be compromises on all sides. >> i want peace. >> you said, there have to be compromises on all sides. and you know compromise for ukraine means crimea. it means whole parts of their east. is that fair?

>> well, i mean, i don't know. i just -- >> but you're running for president. >> i want peace for my ukrainian brothers and sisters and i don't want world war iii. the way we're moving now, we've got 3,000 advisers. we heard that in vietnam. we're on the way to possible nuclear exchange. how ugly? we've got trump pushing us toward the second civil war at home. you've got biden pushing us toward a third world war abroad. we need an alternative. that's what this campaign is about, my brother. >> dr. west, i appreciate your time tonight as always, my brother. >> love you, love you, even when we disagree. love you, love you, man. >> you take care. joining us now, james carville, who helped bill clinton when the white house in 1992. james, you heard dr. west. what is your reaction to what he had to say? he rejects the term "spoiler candidate." do you think he could be? >> first of all, he's obviously an accomplished scholar, academic. he seemed to be a very charming man. and he's also a minister to

threat the continued constitutional order in the united states. and i say that because look what ralph nader, who's directly responsible for the election of george w. bush which brought about the horrific iraq war and the horrific economic downturn we had among other thicks. jill stein, who's his campaign manager is almost certainly an agent of the russian government. if you don't believe me, somebody at home, google photo general flynn, vladimir putin, jill stein. she was hosted by the russians prior to her running in 2016. so, you know, people are going to have to decide, do we want to continue under our constitution? because donald trump is telling us that, very clearly, is bragging about the fact that he doesn't want to live under the constitution anymore. and it's very clear that the only thing that dr. west's candidacy can do is help elect

donald trump. i don't think any of that is arguable, nor is it arguable that jill stein had deep relationships with the russian government. >> so, let me ask you because you know the argument that ralph nader put forward, that jill stein put forward, dr. west mentioned it again tonight, that a lot of those people who voted for jill stein or ralph nader would not have voted for any of the main stream candidates. and therefore they did not suck away votes from hillary clinton or would not hurt votes from biden here. >> well, how could i argue with that? i'm sure that some of it's true, some of it's not true. >> there's no way to know -- tell a pollster, of course i wouldn't vote for any other candidate, but who knows how people would vote. >> i can't disprove that. nor would i want to. but what i do know is that it was russian helped, telling biden voters in detroit to vote at the wrong place, to vote on

wednesday and not tuesday. that i do know. i do know that jill stein was sitting with michael flynn, with vladimir putin, was on russian tv from red square attacking the united states itself. and i do know, i'm told, that this campaign manager, and it's the same outfit that cost us the election in 2000, could have very well cost us the election in 2016. and i'm just sitting here with a clear, present warning. don't fall for this. do not fall for this. only bad can come about this. >> what about joe manchin? do you think he actually is serious? >> i hope not. and they keep saying that no labels -- they think it's to help trump. i can tell you right now, it's going to help trump. there's not a single, that i know, would argue otherwise. and plus, their argument is just flatly ridiculous on its face

that trump and biden represent two extremes. i mean, trump is obviously one of the most extreme people in the united states. biden is certainly not an extreme man. you may say he's more liberal than i would like, but to equate the two of them is absurd. but i think that when they get close to this decision, at least i hope that they see that the only thing that they can do is help elect trump. and it's a shame. president biden and the democrats are being caught by the leftists on one side and i don't know what you'd call the no labels people, but kind of caught between them. somebody better think about the good of the future of the united states because that's what's at stake here. >> thank you. coming up next, breaking news, odesa now under air attack af ukraine says it damaged a bridge to crimea. also what robert kennedy jr. said about covid, black people, jewish people, and chinese

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that's odesa just a short time ago, russia retaliating tonight for the air attack in crimea over the weekend. alex marquardt joins us now. what have you seen? >> reporter: anderson, this is a city that is under attack by russian forces tonight from the air. we have heard the odesa air defenses working quite intensively and a local military official also says that those air defenses are engaged in combat. anderson, this comes some 24 hours exactly after that ukrainian attack on the kirsch bridge, that connects russia with the mainland. we did hear from russian president vladimir putin, who said that russia would be responded. he asked for military options and that they would respond for that attack. we may be seeing at least part of that response right now. in terms of what we have seen over the past hour and a little

bit -- it started just before 2:00 a.m. local times -- loud explosions in the distance, the sounds of what sounds like air defenses, rockets, and missiles perhaps going up into the sky. we've seen spotlights down in that direction. and we are quite close to the port, which, of course, would be a natural target for russia, particularly on a day like today, when just three hours ago at midnight, russia did pull out of this grain deal that has been in place for the past year. anderson, perhaps most dramatically, just over my shoulder, at least three times in the past hour, we've seen these bright streaks of flames streaking across the sky. of course we don't know exactly what it is. it could be a drone that's being shot down. it could be something else that is being fired. but, again, we are rather close to the port. this is one of the most important cities in ukraine, and it comes on a day when there were two huge stories in

ukraine. the attack on that bridge near crimea and russia pulling out of this grain deal, arguing that ukraine had all the benefits of the deal, while russia had none. so, two significant reasons for russia to be targeting odesa tonight, anderson. >> and what are ukrainian military forces saying? >> well, we're starting to hear more from them. and a lot of this comes in on their individual telegram channels. so, we have heard from a leading local military official who raised the possibility that there could be missile strikes on odesa tonight. that second official talking about the fact that the air defenses are combatting this russian air strike. we have seen over the course of the past few days and really quite regularly, waves of missiles and drones fired on cities all across the country, including odesa.

ukraine these days, in large part thanks to the support they've gotten from the west, does have robust air defenses. they do generally manage to shoot down the majority of the missiles, rockets, and drones that are fired at these cities. that's not to say that there isn't destruction and death that follows when these drones or missiles are shot out of the sky. you've got all kinds of debris that falls to the ground, destroying buildings, killing people, and missiles and drones do get through. we just saw a huge missile attack on lviv ten days ago that killed some ten people. this city on edge tonight, officials warning there could be significant attack on it by russia. >> shortly before i air i talked about the bridge attack with ukraine's foreign minister dmitry kuleba. earlier in the day, you talked about the kirsch bridge being a significant target. what was the importance of the kirsch bridge? >> well, this is the main route

of supplying russian army in crimea and the south of ukraine with more troops, munitions, fuel, and other type of resources. and there's one point that everyone should be mindful of. this bridge was built outside the body of law. this is an illegal bridge, illegal construction. >> it was built after the annexation of crimea. >> exactly, yes. without any, you know, without seeking any permissions from ukraine. and we should be always aware of that. >> and when vladimir putin says that the attack on the bridge was a terrorist attack, you say? >> listen, i don't have to command every piece of lie and distortion of reality that president putin is making. i mean, he keeps saying that i'm not a legitimate government, but the so-called kyiv regime installed by the united states, united kingdom, and other

countries, but i don't have command of that. we should know one thing about president putin. he's a professional liar. he was taught to lie as a kgb officer, and he excelled this practice throughout his political career. so, the less we listen to what he's saying, the more time we will have for more productive thoughts. >> is it clear to you from your vantage point what happened with the whole prigozhin thing? >> i'm pretty certain it was a mutiny. prigozhin was absolutely serious. >> serious about arresting russian generals or overthrowing vladimir putin? >> serious about creating conditions under which he would be recognized as the source of real power in russia. let me put it this way. i'm not a visitor to make a prophecy on possible scenarios. but it's still unclear what made him change his mind, what kind

of arguments made it work. but i think the main lesson of his rebellion is that the weakness of the regime was exposed to the entire world. but most importantly to the people of russia. because throughout his career, president putin was always crushing his enemies in the most visible way, in the most eloquent way. this time, he did not crush prigozhin. he bargained. he made a deal with him. and this is the real turning point. s and in terms of the progress of the war, how is it going? >> it's definitely moving in the right direction because we're advancing. it comes at a cost. but we are fighting for our land, for our people, and for our future. so, we will be moving forward, whatever it takes. >> is the fortifications that russia has been putting up, the trenches, the mining -- i mean,

there's a lot of reporting about the extensive mining operations that russia has conducted. >> yeah. we lost a lot of time. by "we," i mean both ukraine and its partners. we lost a lot of time preparing counteroffensive and making decisions on deliveries of weapons and delivering these weapons necessary for the counteroffensive because it allowed russia to physically reforce its defense lines, mine fields. i'm not complaining here. i'm just stating the reality because in the end it's us and our partners who are facing this, who are fighting against this new reality. but you have to understand that in the beginning of the counteroffensive, when our forces moved into this mine field, there were days when ukrainian soldiers would crawl 200 meters per day, crawl, just physically demining the path for their comrades following them and to create corridors for

tanks and other types of vehicles to advance. this is how it began. and this is why the pace of this counteroffensive is not as striking as the previous ones. but we reached the first line of defense. we will break through, and there will be the second line of defense. and behind that second line of defense, there will be a lot of unmined space to get through. >> how closely are you watching u.s. politics, given folks on far right, far left, are not as supportive of american aid to ukraine as the vast center seems to be? >> do you know what russia has been doing since early 2000s in every country of europe and also here in north america? it was financing, supporting, and endorsing far right and far left in every single country

because their strategy was always to squeeze center, to squeeze political center in every country. >> appreciate your time. >> thank you. coming up next for us tonight, back to american politics. robert kennedy jr.'s offensive remarks on covid about jews, blacks, and others. n deliver moe to your customers. fast. reliable. perfectly orchestrated. the united states postal service.

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circling back to presidential politics, robert kennedy jr. -- this weekend he was pushing another conspiracy theory. this one was about covid being targeted to attack caucasians

and black people. more from randi kaye, starting with the candidates on the words. >> covid-19 is an argument that is ethically targeted. covid-19 attacked certain races disproportionately. >> robert f. kennedy jr. sharing another conspiracy theory at an event in new york city last week, first reported by "the new york post." >> covid-19 is targeted to attack caucasians and black people. the people who are most immune are -- and chinese. >> to be clear, there is absolutely zero evidence covid was created to attack certain groups or ethnicities, and kennedy didn't offer any studies to back up his theory. in response the american jewish committee told cnn in a statement that kennedy's assertion that covid was genetically engineered to spare jewish and chinese people is deeply offensive and incredibly

dangerous. the director of the stop asian hate project told "the washington post," kennedy's comments were irresponsible and hateful. kennedy attempted to walk back the comments, posting on twitter over the weekend. i have never ever suggested the covid-19 virus was targeted to spare jews. and he said his remarks were off the record and were meant to focus on ethically targeted bioweapons. i never implied that the ethic effect was engineered. the response from democrats, on twitter jaime harrison called kennedy's comments, deeply troubling, saying they do not represent the views of the democratic party. kennedy's own sister tweeted, i strongly condemn my brother's deplorable and untruthful remarks about covid being engineered for ethnic targeting. this was hardly the first time kennedy has spouted misinformation. he's pushed the long debunked claim that childhood vaccines are linked to autism.

he wrongly claimed the 1918 flu pandemic was vaccine-induced. and he's often repeated his conspiracy theory about 5g transmission towers. >> they're putting in 5g to harvest our data and control our behavior. digital currency that will allow them to punish us from a distance and cut off our food supply. >> kfile recent reported that kennedy has shared conspiracies that man made chemicals in the environment could beaking children gay or transgender. >> these chemicals that are just raining down on our children right now, induce these very profound sexual changes in them is something we need to be thinking about as a society. >> experts told cnn's kfile, that theory is completely unfounded. kennedy's spokesperson told cnn his remarks are being

mischaracterized. on the issue of guns, kennedy has suggested increased school shootings are due to the use of antidepressants, despite the fact the scientific community has found no such link. >> it really started happening coterminus with the introduction of these drugs. >> randi kaye, cnn. another quick note, despite disagreeing, kevin mccarthy today rejected calls by democrats to cancel kennedy's appearance on thursday before the house subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government. for more now on the effect kennedy has had on the democratic race, we're joined by harry enten. where is his polling right now? >> here's two things you need to know about the democratic race involving robert f. kennedy jr. one, joe biden is well ahead of him. joe biden is polling in the 60s. rfk jr. is polling in the high teens. some might argue that's higher than they expected, me included. here's the other thing to note. he's not gaining support, right? if we look at the polling back in april, compare it to the

polling last month, what we see is his support dipped down a little bit. it's still a substantial course in the electorate, but joe biden is well ahead in the democratic race. >> do numbers show what's behind the basis of support? is it about him? is it about biden? >> i think it's all about joe biden. we can break it down by the democratic voters who like joe biden and everybody else. amongst those democratic voter who is like joe biden, biden is well ahead, up over 60 points in the democratic primary over robert f. kennedy jr. those who don't hold a favorable view of him or who don't hold approval of joe biden's job, kennedy is ahead. but here's the thing for kennedy. most democratic voters like joe biden and that is why biden is ahead in this race. >> what about across party lines? >> where is robert f. kennedy's support? perhaps it wouldn't be surprising in his favorable rating is much higher amongst

republicans than amongst democrats. robert f. kennedy jr.'s unfavorable rating is above his favorable rating. it's the reverse with republicans. that's what we see with the donations he's been getting. it's from republican donors. he's appearing on conservative programs. that's the people who like robert f. kennedy jr., not really democrats. house minority leader kim jeffreys won't say if camilla jayapal will face other disciplinary actions for saying this at an event in chicago af being interrupted by a pro-palestinian activist. >> we have been fighting to make it clear that israel is a racist state, that the palestinian people deserve self-determination and autonomy. >> in a statement on sunday, the congresswoman said, quote, i attempted to defuse a tense situation where panelists were being protested. i do not believe the nation of israel is racist.

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. last hour, an investigator told cnn he met with the wife and daughter of the gilgo beach murder suspect. quote, they were shocked,

disgusted, embarrassed. rodney harrison doesn't believe they knew about his, quote, double life. he also said the reason authorities finally made an arrest was not because they believed another life might soon be threatened but rather the suspect might hear grand jury proceedings and flee. he was arrested for three murders. he's a suspect in the fourth. a source today said he had only one question when he arrived in jail. quote, is it in the news? after a search of the basement, law enforcement found hundreds of firearms, including semiautomatic rifles. the bodies of the four murdered women are among 11 sets of remains found along long island's south shore more than a decade ago. it is possible the suspect may be connected to more killings. joined by our chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller. this is incredible. apparently the wife and children are cooperating with

investigators, which is certainly a good sign. so, they're free to -- they've been able to gather a lot of evidence from his house obviously. >> yes, and they did that pursuant, obviously, to an extensive search warrant for the home, the property, and the outbuildings, garages, attachments, computers, thumb drives, hard drives, and so on. it's going to take them a long time to get through what they took. and there's going to be a process to figuring out what some of it means. >> i mean, what do you -- to you, what stands out in this case? it's extraordinary to me how early on the profiler view of who the theoretical killer might be sounded very accurate. >> well, he reveals himself, even though he doesn't tell us who he is, he tells us early in the case what he is. i think the turning point moment there was you see he is preying on sex workers, you know, strangling them to death after

luring them in as a client. and then in a couple of cases, he uses long after they're dead, he uses the victim's phone to call the family and say, you know, you're not going to see her again. here's why i murdered her. you know, here's how i murdered her. the extraordinarily cruelty to commit these kinds of murders and then to relive them essentially by torturing the family over the phone is really what is suggestive, anderson, that they're going to find more in this search. that suggests he's the kind of person who's very attached to these crimes and would have been likely to keep trophies, as the profilers call it, individual possessions of some of his victims. >> also i understand some of his wife's dna was found on the scene. he would have somehow had a hair or something from his wife and transferred it to one of the victims. >> that's right. in one of the earliest dna

matches they were able to make was from hairs found within the burlap wrapping that the bodies were buried with. this is the kind of stuff hunters use who are out deer hunting. our subject in this case is a hunter. but they find these female hairs that do not match the dna of the victims. and once they identified this subject, they did familial dna to say, here's the dna from your subject. this isn't his dna, but it's a family member. and that would be the kind of thing, if those bags were stored in a garage or a closet where, you know, winter coats or something else that the wife had worn, hair could transfer. but it was an important break. >> we saw the map with 11 sets of remains found along that stretch of beach. it seems impossible to believe he is not involved in -- or seems unlikely he would not be involved in at least more of those. >> so, it is not common for

serial killers to share a body dump site. on the other hand, you have to realize we're literally in one of the most densely populated suburban counties in the united states. and this particular stretch offers remoteness, being deserted after dark. and for someone who's looking for a place where they could work and yet have a long view of anybody approaching from either direction. is it possible? yes. likely? i kind of fall where you do on that. >> john miller, appreciate it. >> thanks. last week we reported on the escaped inmate in pennsylvania and the effort to find him. coming up next after the man who was caught over the weekend, you're going to meet the man who helped capture him with help from their dog.

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a pennsylvania manhunt for an escaped inmate ended saturday with michael burham's capture thanks to a married couple and their dog. sidney and rod, thanks so much for being here. what a weekend you guys had, and

tucker as well. i'm not sure who should get the credit. i guess tucker started it off and you guys carried the ball forward. walk us through what happened. how did you find this guy? >> okay. well, she just got home from work, and we're sitting out on our patio and just enjoying the day. it was a saturday, you know? like i said, she'd just got home from work and sitting there talking. all of a sudden, tucker jumps up like he just did now and left us. tucker jumps up and takes off for the creek, barking like crazy and acting abnormal. but a lot of times there could be a fisherman or a hiker down there. but he'll come back when we call him, and he did not. so, i said to sidney, we need to go get on the golf cart and drive down there and get tucker so he doesn't bother somebody because normally, like i said, he would come back. so, yeah, we drove down there in the golf cart. sidney gets off the golf cart. she's going to try to get tucker to come back to the house, and

he's barking over at the bank really loud. and all of a sudden, this guy stands up. and i looked at him. i knew who he was as soon as he stood up. >> from photos frrks video? from photos you'd seen on tv? >> absolutely. we'd seen -- you know, it's been what? it was nine or ten days he was on the loose. we'd seen plenty of photos and news coverage and whatnot. i recognized him. he didn't have his shirt on. they had pictures of his tattoos. i asked him, what are you doing? he said, i'm camping. he wasn't camping. i told sidney, get on the golf cart. i didn't want to alarm him. i didn't know what he'd do. i said, have a nice day. sidney jumps on the golf cart. she said, is that him? >> do you think he knew that you recognized him? >> i don't know how he could not, but he hasn't had access to the news to know that he's plastered everywhere. so, i don't really know that.

>> were you guys afraid at all? i mean, you would have a good reason to be. >> oh, absolutely because, you know, the news and everything were saying he could be armed and dangerous, so i don't know does he have a gun or what's going on? so, sidney and the dog and i, we got to get back to the house. >> it's so interested because a couple of days ago, i interviewed the person who spotted him the last time he escaped and that person's dog also alerted him to this guy's presence. so, this is the second time a dog has alerted to this guy's presence on somebody's property. how does it feel, cindy, to know that all three of you helped capture this guy? >> it's really surreal. like, not what i expected to be doing saturday night in the least. but very glad that we were able to. and dogs know.

you know, dogs know people. they sense things. so, you know -- because it could have been a fisherman and he wouldn't have reacted that way. >> yeah. how long was it from when you called to when police -- i imagine that wait must have been pretty scary. >> it felt like forever. but it wasn't very long. >> the first officers were here in, what, 10, 15 minutes? >> yeah. >> it seemed like forever because we're standing out on the porch watching just to make sure he's not coming up towards the house or anything. they were here pretty quick. >> did he try to run at all or was he just waiting there? >> we don't know. >> he didn't wait there. >> no, he headed up the creek. but we don't know because we left the area. it's probably 300 yards from the house where he was. >> well, cindy and ron, i'm glad there's a happy ending to all this, and i'm glad you guys are okay. did tucker get something, some special treats? >> oh,