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60, green party presidential candidate cornell west, why he is running and how he answers concerns but this election could be too close to being a spoiler. also tonight, robert kennedy junior's tomorrow is a remarks on covid saying it was, quote, targeted to attack locations and black people, which the white house today called, quote, vile. and later, the couple who's dog and whose quick action led to the capture of an escaped murder suspect, michael berm. after nine days on the run. good evening, thank you for joining, us the group no labels held a town hall this evening in new hampshire, democratic senator joe manchin and former utah republican governor john huntsman where the headliners. senator manchin refusing to rule out a third party campaign, saying, quote, if i get in a race i'm gonna win. most third-party runs go -- but it is hard to deny there is at least some uptight meng voters for alternatives to major party front-runners. question is how much of an appetite, and to what effect? the no labels is already drawing fire from democrats who say all what do is safe enough moderate voters for president biden and put donald trump in

the white house. and over the years third party candidates have been blamed for giving elections. ross perot in 1992 for taking republican votes from president george w. bush who lost to bill clinton. ralph nader in 2002 got nearly 100,000 votes in florida, a state that delivered the presidency to george w. bush. by fewer than 600 ballots. and in the 2016 green party candidate jill stein was accused of being a spoiler in several close states to hillary clinton, where she narrowly lost them. now this time a potential trump biden matchup could be even closer, according to a real clear politics polling, average right now, there is only a 0. 2% point margin, separating the two. jill stein in the meantime is currently campaign manager for 2024 green presidential candidate cornell west. who joins us now. dr. west, appreciate you being with us, it is good to see you. >> always blasted to say, don't i salute you to, gift from heaven. brother suggestion, brother white, yes indeed. >> they are doing well, thank you.

i want to ask, you senator manchin up in new hampshire, tonight it seems to be testing the waters there. he says the parties are too far to the left and to the right. what do you think of his politics? >> well, you know, i just read the pamphlet common sense, and my god, they had the audacity to rename that after the great thomas payne, his revolutionary pen flip of january 10th, 1976, that was critical of all forms of hierarchy in the name of the dignity of those -- everyday people. i don't think the new labels party with their hundreds and millions of dollars flowing already, a fundamental focus on what i am concerned about, which is the play of poor and working people trying to come to terms with the cop city's. the critiques of the crop cop city, trying to deter the striking workers. because hollywood, amazon, u p s, coming to terms with the ecocide, with the fossil fuel companies, steal corporate greed running out of control. you know, we are at a moment now, my brother, where if we

don't come to terms with this massive callousness and indifference to the plight of poor and working people, we are going to lose everything. the planet, democracy, a qualitative relations with each other. that is how life and death, like our situation is, my brother. >> you know the concerns, certainly? you have been especially million times, from a lot of democrats and republicans against trump that a third party candidates like yourself could siphon votes away from president biden. david axelrod recently tweeted saying in 2016 the green party played an outside role in the tipping the election to donald trump. now with cornell west, they're likely nominee, they could easily do it again. risky business, now i know you said you don't believe jill stein made that big of a difference in the four count in 2016, in michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, her votes did except trump's margin over clinton. so how do you answer that critique? that you will be siphoning votes away from potentially lead to a trump victory. >> well part of it is that nearly 40% of our precious citizens every two and four

years decided not to vote at all. and we know that the so-called spoilers, which is a category you can imagine that i don't except at all. over two thirds of those who voted to gary johnson, spare justine, brother ralph nader, whoever, people say that never vote for the two parties. and i can understand, those two parties have become to corrupt, their politicians are to conformist. too many of the politicians themselves are just cowardly. we'll just say anything. what about truth? what about justice? truth and justice is bigger than all of us, bigger than every, party every, raised every person. if you are concerned about truth and justice, then you can't be cowardly, complacent, or conformist. and especially if you look at the world through the lens of those who are incarcerated. those who are in, hoods and barrios. but brother david axelrod, he looks at the world through the lens of the establishment. well of course from the lens of the establishment, he is concerned about reproducing the establishment. my god, my god. there is no doubt about that.

and the 1850s, both parties supported slavery. >> but i think he is more, you know david axelrod, he seems more interested in preventing former president trump from getting reelected. more than i would say recreating the establishment? >> yes, no, i am talking about the democratic party establishment, grow brother. axelrod, you see what i mean? you would agree, you are part of the democratic party establishment. >> i don't know. his interests, anyways, i don't want to speak for him. but you criticize president biden, saying that where he is contributing, in your words, i am quoting, contributed to a crime against humanity when he became the architect of the mass incarceration regime and the 1990s. you were a frank update 1994 violent crime law enforcement act that then senator by mid sponsors. he also said it is, quote, very clear that his cognitive powers are in decline. you have had a remarkable career, you have championed those voices that have been silenced all your life. we've had two on the program a

ton of times talking about that. you have never run a large bureaucracy or had any major governmental leadership role. isn't that important to actually governing as president? >> oh, absolutely. i would have to bring in people who are experienced. but is the important thing is your vision and the lens through which you view the world. policy is something that can be worked out in light of vision. if your vision is one of militarism abroad, and you are going to be preoccupied with wars and militaristic venture. we have known biden has a long history, i don't think he is actually seen a war that he hasn't supported. i think the invasion and occupation of iraq was a crime against humanity. how many precious hundreds of dozens of iraqis were killed based on a lie? well biden was running affairs in that regard. i think mass incarceration in the united states in the last 40 years is a crime against humanity. i have taught in prisons for 41 years, i've stayed in contact with the rich humanity of my brothers and sisters who have been incarcerated, and many have done things that they didn't, shouldn't have done. many are there because they are innocent. because the important thing is

that it is, there sites are barbarity. we ought to be ashamed to live in a country, when you look at the conditions of our brothers and sisters who are incarcerated. it is not just 1994 crime bureau, you can go back to the biden third strung, even his -- bills of 84 and 86 and 91. and then 94. you see what i mean? so it is just a matter of trying to be truthful. i am not trying to trash brother biden, i am really not. i am trying to make him accountable for his actions in light of how the wreckage of the earth are treated in this nation, and around the world. and that is true for any politician, albeit obama, biden, clinton, bush, trump, all of them have to be measured by the same standard of truth and justice. >> i want to ask you about the war in ukraine, because i saw you tweeted out, you said nato is an expanding instrument of u.s. global power, it provoked russia into a criminal invasion and occupation of ukraine, you

said this proxy war between the american empire any russian federation could lead to world war iii, we much stop the war and war crimes, including cluster bombs used by all parties and american diplomatic talks that should lead to a just peace. you believe, i mean, how are you going to bring all sides to the table on ukraine? and do you really believe that nato provoked russia into invading ukraine? >> well, when russia was promised nato not to move one inch and then a few years later you have 13 former soviet related countries that are part of nato -- >> but you are talking about a 1990, there was an agreement signed that nato would not move into the east germany, but actually nothing was said about further east. and it was -- at the very least it was ambiguous, there is an argument there. >> there were formal and informal talks, but you know the great george kennan is probably one of the finest minds of the establishment, when it comes to foreign affairs. he said that he doesn't understand why nato needs to exist any longer because it's defensive when it collapsed with the soviet empire, in fact

no longer need nato. europe come with its own security. >> it has not seen backed up because -- >> you are the arm of the american, empire that's the challenge. >> you don't believe that the people of ukraine right now need nato to defend against russian aggression? >> well the people of ukraine right now who are suffering, and i made deep solidarity with their suffering, they are being caught between this proxy war between the american empire and the russian federation, now -- >> that's not really true. but dr. west, i mean, it wasn't, early on, you are far more educated than i am. early on it was poland, czechoslovakia, and hungary who pressured, who wanted to join nato. warsaw pact countries suddenly free did not want to be under the eo of the former soviet union any longer. and they are the ones who applied to join nato. it wasn't the u.s. pushing these countries in a, you know, in an expansion play, it was

these countries suddenly free, the people in those countries saying we want to be in the eu. nato is the fastest way, it's kind of a steppingstone of the you, we want that, we want to turn to the west. would you have denied hungry, czechoslovakia, the choice? >> well, one, i would've followed george kennan. i would've abolished nato right after the collapse of the soviet empire. and after, i would have tried to welcome russia into a community of nations rather than trying to push them against the wall. we know their system of oppression and domination is one in which they are going to feel as if their backs are against the wall. and i think you would probably agree that if russia or china had missiles in canada or mexico targeting washington d. c., the u.s. government would blow them to smithereens. that is how empires behave. you have read the history. i know the history. we are critical of imperial activity no matter who it is, american, russian, and whatever. but america is the most

powerful empire in the world. and the history of the world, my brother. and it seems to me that if we can't dismantle that empire in order to empower poor and working people who are in and abroad, we are going to lose our democracies. it's almost like rome, you know? cater cato -- against julius caesar. what happens when your empire begins to take over your democratic policy? >> i just spoke to the foreign minister of ukraine, we are going to have that interview later on. i think if you said to him that you are standing with the people of ukraine and solidarity, and you are saying that they are just victims in this proxy war, he would say you are out of your mind? i mean, they are thankful for nato, they are thankful for the u.s.. you can call it the american empire. but, i mean, they are thankful for all of these countries rallying to their side. i have been there, you probably have been there as well. i, mean it is a horrible, it is an invasion. i mean? a killing of civilians and cities. >> it is a criminal invasion,

i'm not denying a criminal invasion. but what i say is if you go back to the -- you go back to march, one month after the war began, my brother. i am calling for a cease-fire. i don't want to -- see >> vladimir putin isn't really listening to what you say or what i say or what anybody says, i mean, he is doing what he wants to do, just like he slaughtered, i mean -- >> he saw what actions -- >> you saw what he did to grozny in the 90s? i mean, before and that city, civilians are trapped in that city, the world didn't come to the rescue of grozny. he did exactly what he wanted to do. i mean? unchecked, he will slaughter people. >> well, i mean, unchecked, he will slaughter folk, unchecked, what we did in iraq was slaughtering people. unchecked, what we did in other places -- >> but sir -- >> other empires did it. nation states do that though. >> i understand, i understand. >> they are wrong, when you are wrong, you have to pointed out. >> look, again, i respect you,

you know i love you, but -- >> same here. >> i do think it is inappropriate to compare the russians bombing of grozny, and what we witnessed there, with the war in iraq. i mean, to say that innocent are killed, there is no doubt about it. horrible things happened. >> half 1 million iraqis killed, my brother! half 1 million! >> listen, i was there, i mean, i was there -- >> you saw it. >> i certainly understand, i also saw a lot of americans getting killed. >> absolutely. >> i saw the horrors of saddam hussein. i am just saying, i don't think it is accurate to compare the pummeling of a city by russian artillery with civilians inside, pummeling every single day with the intention of just destroying and flattening a city, with actions the u.s. took? i mean, i don't know, look, you know, wars, horrible things happen in wars. >> absolutely, absolutely. but i mean, you know what i

know. any comparative analysis of levels of barbarity and cruelty is going to lend itself to this ugly algebra of blood that we don't want to get into. but all i'm saying is you can't just jump into a situation where people are being treated barbaric lee, there is no doubt that ukrainian people are being treated in a barbaric way. that is caught murderous ways. there is no doubt about that. but the context is one in which that did not have to be, if the expansion of nato, and nato isn't is an arm of the american global power network. >> what you are saying though, what you are saying, in ukraine, ukrainians, they are just going to have to compromise and give up their land. because -- >> no, no, i am not saying that. i want to -- >> consider have to be more compromises. >> i want a just peace. >> you said there have to be compromises on all sides? you know compromise for ukraine means crimea, it means a whole parts of the east?

>> well, i mean, i don't know, i want a just peace -- >> while you are running for president. >> i want just peace from our ukrainian brothers, sisters i don't world war iii. the way that we are moving now, we got a dozen advisers when we were done in vietnam. we are on the way to possible nuclear exchange. how ugly? here we have got trump pushing towards the second civil war. and biden pushing us towards a third world war abroad, we need an alternative to this campaign, and what it's about, my brother. >> doctor was, i appreciate time tonight, as always. >> indeed, love you, love you, even when we disagree, have you, love you, man. >> take care. joining us now, democratic strategist who have spoken with the white house in 1922. what was your reaction to what he had to say? he rejects to terms for a spoiler candidate, do you think he could be? >> first of all, he is obviously an accomplished scholar, and academic, he seems

to be a very charming man, -- , and he is also -- threat to the -- in the united states. i say that because, look what ralph nader, who was directly responsible for the election as george w. bush which brought the horrific iraq war and the horrific economic downturn that we had among other things. jill stein, who is his campaign manager, isn't certainly a agent at the russian government. if you don't believe me, somebody at home google photo general flynn vladimir putin, jill stein. she was hosted by the russians prior to her running in 2016. so, people are going to have to decide, do we want to continue -- because donald trump is telling us very clearly, is bragging about the fact that he doesn't want to live under the constitution anymore, and it is very clear that the only thing that dr. west can do is help

elect donald trump. i don't think any of that is in arguable, nor is it arguable that joe stein had deep relationships with the russian government. >> so, let me ask you, because you know the argument that rough nature forward, the argument that joe stand put forward, dr. west mentioned it tonight, that a lot of people who voted for justin, ralph nader would not have voted for any adult mention candidates, and therefore, they did not suck away votes from hillary clinton or were not hurt votes from biden here. >> how could i argue with that? i'm sure that some of it is true, some of it is not. true -- >> there is no way to know whether, tell a poster, no i wouldn't go for any other kind of a, but who knows -- >> i can't disprove that, nor would i want to. what i do know, is that russian help were telling biden motives in detroit to vote at their own place, to vote on wednesday and not tuesday, that i do know.

i do know that jill stein was in moscow, was sitting with general michael flintwood, with vladimir putin, was on russian tv from red square attacking the united states of south, and i do know that this campaign manager and the same outfit that cost us the election in 2000, could have very well cost us the election and he doesn't 16. i am just sitting here with a clear president warning, do not fall for this. do not fall for this. only bad can come about this. >> what about joe manchin, as you think he actually is serious? >> i hope not. they keep saying that no labels, if they think it's going to help trump, it won't run, but i will tell you right now, it's going to help trump. no, there is not a single that i know, would bargain otherwise.

plus, their argument is just flatly ridiculous on his face that trump and biden represent two extremes. trump is obviously one most extreme thing in the united states, biden is certainly not an extreme man. you might say he's more liberal than i would like, but to acquit the two of them is absurd. i think when they get close to this decision, i at least i hope that they see that the only thing that they can do is help elect trump. it is a shame, but president biden, democrats would be -- and left of one side, and i don't know what you'd call that no labels people, but kind of caught between. somebody better think about the good of the future of the united states, because -- was at stake here. >> thank. you >> thank, you anderson. >> coming up next, a russian air attack just 24 hours after ukraine says a damage to key russian bridge crimean bridge alex marquardt is there, seeing it, we'll get to him next.

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time ago, russia retaliating tonight for a nato attack on its bridge to crimea over the weekend -- alex marquardt is there, he joins us now, so what have you seen? >> this is a city that is under attack by russian forces tonight from the air we have heard the odessa air defenses working quite intensively in a local military official says those air defenses are engaged in combat. now, anderson, this comes some 24 hours exactly after that ukrainian attack on the kerch bridge that is 12 bow long bridge that attacks russian occupied crimea with russian mainland. not too long after that, we did hear from russian president vladimir putin that said russia would be responding. he said military options, and they would respond for that attack. we may be seeing at least part of that response right now. in terms of what we have seen

over the past hour and a little bit, it started right before 2 am, local time, loud explosions in the distance. the sounds of what sounds like air defenses, rockets, and missiles perhaps going up in the sky. we see a spotlight down in that direction, and we are quite close to the part, which of course would be a natural target for russia, particularly on a day like today when just three hours ago at midnight, russia did pull out of this green deal that has been in place for the last year. anderson, perhaps most dramatically just over my shoulder, at least three times in the past hour we have seen these bright streaks of flames shrieking across the sky. of course, we don't know exactly what it is, it could be a drone that's being shot down, it could be something else that is being fired. again, we are rather close to the port. this is one of the most important cities in ukraine, and it comes on a day where there were two huge stories in

ukraine. the attack on that bridge near crimea and russia pulling out of this grain deal, arguing that ukraine had all the benefits of the deal while russia had none. so, two significant reasons for russia to be targeting odessa tonight, anderson. >> what are ukraine military forces saying? >> we are starting to hear more from them, and a lot of this comes in on their individual telegram channels. we have heard from a leading local military officer, or official, rather who raised the possibility that there could be missile strikes on odessa tonight. that second official talking about the fact that the air defenses are combatting this russian air strike. we have seen, over the course of the past few days, and really quite regularly, a wave of missiles and drones firing on cities all across the country, including odesa. ukraine these days, and a large part thanks to this support they got from the west, does

have robust air defenses. they do, generally, managed to shoot down the majority of the missiles rockets, and drones that are fired at the cities. that is not to say that there isn't destruction and death that follows, when these drones or missiles are shot out the sky you got all kinds of debris that falls to the ground, destroying buildings, killing people, and oftentimes missiles and drones to get through. we just saw a huge missile attack on the the about ten days ago that killed some ten people. this city very much on edge tonight. officials warning, that there could be a significant attack on it by russia, anderson. >> all right -- thank you. i talked about the bridge attack with minister -- . >> earlier in the day, you talked about the kerch bridge being a legitimate met target. not every civilian --

what was the importance of the kerch bridge to ukraine? >> this is the main route of supplying russian army in crimea, and the south of ukraine. more troops, more -- more weapons, and other types of resources. there is one point where everyone should be mindful about, this bridge was built outside of the body of law. this is an illegal bridge, illegal construction. >> it was built after the annexation -- >> exactly, without any, without seeking any permissions from ukraine. we should always be aware of. that >> one vladimir putin says the attack on the bridge was a terrorist attack, you say? >> listen, i don't have to, but the so-called kyiv of regime installed by the united states, the united kingdom, and other countries, but i don't have to comment from that.

we should know one thing about president putin, he is a professional liar. he was taught to lie as kbj officer, and he excelled this practiced throughout his political career. the last we listen to what he's saying, the more time will have for more productive thoughts. >> is it clear to you from this vantage, point what happened with the whole prigozhin thing? >> i am pretty certain it was a mutiny. prigozhin was absolutely serious. >> serious about arresting russian generals? or overthrowing vladimir putin? >> serious about creating conditions under which he would be recognized as the source of real power in russia. let me put it this way. because i am not a wizard to make a prophecy about all possible scenarios. but it is still unclear what made him change his mind. what kind of arguments made it work.

but i think the main lesson of his rebellion is that the witness of the regime was exposed to the entire world, but most importantly do the people of russia. because throughout his career, president putin was always crushing is enemies in the most visible way. in the most eloquent way. it's time he did not crash progression, he bargained, he made a deal with him. and this is the real turning point. >> in terms of the progress of the war, how is it going? >> it is definitely moving in the right direction, because we are advancing. it comes at a cost, but we are fighting for our land and for people in for a future, so we will be moving forward, whatever it takes. >> is the fortification that russia has been putting up, the trenches, the mining, there is

a lot of reporting about extensive mining operations that russia has conducted. >> yeah, we lost a lot of time. and by we i mean both ukraine and its partners. we lost a lot of time preparing counteroffensives and making decisions on deliveries of weapons. and delivering these weapons necessary for the counteroffensive. because a lot of russia to physically reinforce its defense lines, mined fields, i am not complaining here, i am just stating that reality, because in the end it is us and our partners who are facing this, who are fighting against this new reality. but you have to understand that in the beginning of the counter offensive, when our forces moved to days minefield, there were days when ukrainian soldiers would crawl 200 meters per day, crawl, just physically de-mining the path for their comrades following them, in the great corridors for tanks and other types of vehicles to

advance. this is how it began, and this is where the pace of this counteroffensive is not as striking as the previous ones. so, but we reach the first line of defense, we will break through, and there will be a second one of defense. and behind that second line of defense there will be a lot of on mind space to get through. >> how closely are you watching u.s. politics, given folks on the far right, far left, are not as supportive of american aid to ukraine as soon the vast center, it seems to be. >> do you know what russia has been doing since early 2000s? in every country of europe? and also here in north america? it was financing and supporting and endorsing far right and far left, in every single country. because their strategy was always to squeeze center, to

squeeze political center in every country. >> appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> coming up for next to -- barbara kennedy junior's offensive remarks on covid, about, blacks, and chinese people. and our harry enten number of democratic voters who cleared appear to be embracing the conspiracy minded candidates. ...with smarter, more efficient routes... ...so you can deliver more value to your customers. fast. reliable. perfectly orchestrated. the united states postal service. every day, more dog people are deciding it's time for a fresh approach to pet food. developed with vets. made from real meat and veggies. portioned for your dog. and delivered right to your door. it's smarter, healthier pet food.

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politics, robert kennedy junior spending double digits in recent polling despite being a long-standing and wide-ranging conspiracy theorist. this weekend was pushing another one, this time it was about covid being, quote, targeted to attack occasions and black people. more from our randi kaye, starting with the candidates own words. >> covid-19, there is no argument that it is ethnically targeted. covid-19 attacked certain races disproportionately. >> robert f. kennedy junior sharing another conspiracy theory at an event in new york city last week. first reported by the new york post. >> covid-19 is targeted to attack caucasians and black people. the people who are most -- and chinese. >> to be clear, there is absolutely zero evidence that covid was created to attack certain groups or ethnicities. and kennedy didn't offer any

studies to back up his theory. in response, the american jewish community told cnn in a statement that kennedy's assertion that covid was genetically engineered to spare jewish and chinese people is deeply offensive and incredibly dangerous. the director of the stop asian hate project told the washington post that kennedy's comments were irresponsible and hateful. kennedy attempted to walk back the comments, posting on twitter over the weekend. i have never ever suggested that the covid-19 virus was targeted to spare. and he said his remarks were off the record and were meant to focus his attention on, quote, ethnically targeted bioweapons. i do not, believe and never implied that the ethnic impact was genetically engineered. the response for from democrats? on twitter, party chairman jamie harrison called the comments deeply troubling, saying they do not represent the views of the democratic party. kennedy's own sister carrie kennedy tweeted, i strongly condemn my brothers deplorable

and untruthful remarks about covid being engineered for ethnic targeting. this was hardly the first time that kennedy has voted misinformation. he has pushed the long debunked claim that childhood vaccines are linked to autism. he wrongly claimed that the 1918 flu pandemic was vaccine induced. and he is often repeating his conspiracy theory about 5g transmission towers. >> they are putting in 5g, to harvest our data and control our behavior. digital currency, it will allow them to punish us from a distance and cut off our food supply. >> cnn's kfile recently reported that kennedy has repeatedly shared false conspiracy theories that man made chemicals in the environment could be making children or transgender. >> the capacity for these chemicals that we are just raining down on our children right now. >> to induce these very profound sexual changes in them, is something that we need to be

thinking about as a society. >> experts told cnn's kfile that that theory is completely unfounded. kennedy spokesperson told cnn that his remarks are being mischaracterized. on the issue of guns, kennedy has suggested increased school shootings are due to the use of antidepressants, despite the fact that the scientific community has found no such link. >> it really started happening, with the introduction of these drugs. >> yes. >> randi kaye, cnn, -- >> another quick, no despite disagreeing with his coat remarks, how speaker kevin mccarthy to rejected calls by -- cancel canada's appearance on thursday for the house committee on the weaponization of the federal government. for now on the -- we're joined by cnn senior data reporter harry enten. where is this polling right now? >> yeah, so here's two things you need to know with the democratic race right now involving a probe of kennedy junior. one, so biden is still well ahead of him, right? joe biden is pulling in the 60s,

rfk junior is pulling in the high teens. now, some might argue that that is a little bit higher than expected to be included, but here's the other thing to know. he is not gaining support, right? so if we look at the polling back in april and you compared to the polling last month, what we see is in fact that his supporting has dipped down quite a little bit. it is still a special part of the electorate, but joe biden at this point is still well ahead on the democratic race. >> what do the numbers show are behind his base of support? is about him? is it more about biden? is just the random conspiracy theories that he is throwing up? >> yeah, i think this is basically all about joe biden. and the way that we can see that is to break down by democratic voters who like joe biden, and then everybody else. amongst those democratic voters who like joe biden, biden is well ahead, up over 60 points in the democratic primary. over robert kennedy junior. but amongst all other voters, those who either don't hold a favorable view of him, or those that hold don't approve of joe biden's job as president, kennedy is actually ahead. but here's the thing for kennedy, most democratic voters like joe biden, and that is why biden is still well ahead in

this race. >> and what it across party lines? >> yeah, so where is robert kennedy junior's support, right? perhaps it wouldn't be so surprising that is favorable rating is much higher amongst republicans than it is amongst democrats. amongst democrats, in fact, robert kennedy junior's unfavorable rating is above his favorable rating. it is the reverse with republicans, and that is a fact that we see with a lot of the donations that he has been getting, it's from republican donors. he is appearing on conservative programs. that is the people who like robert f. kennedy junior, not really democrats. >> ariana, recreated. >> thank you. >> has minority hakeem jeffries won't say if progressive -- pramila jayapal will face more disciplinary actions. he and other top democrats -- for saying this at a -- in chicago after being interrupted by pro palestinian activists. >> we have been fighting to make it clear that israel is a racist state. that the palestinian people deserve self determination and

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told cnn that he met with the wife and daughter of the murder suspect and that they were, quote, shocked, disgusted and embarrassed. the commissioner said that he does not believe that they knew about the double life. he also said that the recent authorities found that made an arrest is not because they believed in other life might soon peter and but that the suspect might hear leaked grand jury proceedings and flee. the 15 minute architect was arrested last week for three murders and this is a suspect and a fourth. a source today said that he had only one question once he arrived in jail, quote, is it in the news. sources tell cnn the after a search, at the suspect basement, what boston found hundreds of firearms including seven automatic rifles and twice as many guns that sources were expecting. the bodies of four women are among -- along the long island south shore more than a decade ago. they say they've received a flood of information since the arrest, and it's possible that the suspect may be connected to

more killings. i'm joined now by chief laws parchment and intelligence analyst john miller, former nypd deputy commissioner. this is incredible. apparently, the wife and children are cooperating with investigators, which is a good sign. they are free to, they've been able to gather evidence on the house, obviously. >> yes, they did that pursuant to an extensive search warrant for the home and property, garage, attachments, computers, thumb drives, hard drives and so on. it is going to take them a long time to get there what they took, and there is going to be a process to figure out what some of it means. >> to you, what stands out on the case? it's extraordinary to me how early on, the profiler view of a theoretical color might be sounded very accurate. >> he reveals himself, even though he does not tell us who he is. he tells us early in the case

what he is, and i think the turning point at the moment there, you see that he is praying on sex workers, strangling them to death after luring them in as a client. then a couple of cases, he uses long after they are dead, uses the victims phone to call the family and say, you're not going to see her again, here is why i murdered her. here's how i murdered her. the extraordinary cruelty to commit the kinds of murders and then to let them succeed by touching the family over the phone is really is what is suggested, anderson, that they find more in the search because that suggests is the person who is very attached to the crimes and would have been elected to keep trophies as the profilers. individual positions of some of the victims.

>> also, some of his wife's dna was found on scene. so he would have somehow had his wife's, a hair from the wife and transferred to one of the victims. >> that is right in one of the earliest dna matches they were able to make from hairs found within the burlap wrapping up the bodies were buried with. this is the kind of hunters use outdoor hunting or subject in this case is a hunter, but they find these female hairs that do not match the dna of the victims. once they identify this subject, they did familial deny to say the here is the dna from the subject, this is not his dna but it's a family member. that would be the kind of thing, if those facts were stored in a garage or a closet, where winter coats or something else that the wife had worn, hair is transferred by falling out and unintentionally being included. it was an important break.

>> you see that map showing 11 sets of remains found along the stretch of a beach, it seems impossible to believe that he is not involved -- or seems unlikely that he would not be involved in at least more of those. >> so, it is not common for serial killers to share a body dump site. on the other hand, i've realized, were literally and one of the most densely populated suburban counties in the united states, and this particular stretch of first remoteness, being deserted after dark, and for someone looking for a place where they can work and have a long view of anyone approaching from other direction, is it possible, yes. likely, a kind of what you do on the. >> john miller, appreciate it, thanks. last week, we approach it on the escape in may in pennsylvania, the effort to find him. coming up next, up demand is caught the weekend, with a couple tonight what the

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saturday but to capture things to a married couple sydney and rana quinn and a dog talker. sydney and ron, thank you for being here. what a weekend you had, doctor as well. it's so nice to see tucker. i am not sure who should get the credit, but tucker started it off, and then you carried the ball forward. walk us through what happened, how did you find the sky? >> okay, well, sydney and i, she had just got home from work, and or sitting on the patio and enjoying the, day saturday. she just got home from work. we're sitting there talking and all of a sudden, tucker jumps up like just to know, tucker jumps up and takes off for the creek, barking crazy, acting abnormal, but a lot of times, there could be a fisherman or icard on there, but he'll come back, when we call him. he did not, so i said to sydney, we need to go on the golf cart, tried down there and get tucker

so it does not bother somebody, because like i said, he would normally come back. so, yeah we join thunder and a golf cart, sydney gets off the golf cart, she's going to try to get tucker to come back into the house. and he's barking at the bank really out, and all of a sudden, this guy spends up. i looked at him and knew who he was as soon as he stood up. >> you knew him from photos and videos that you've seen on tv? >> oh, absolutely. it was nine or ten days that he was on the loose, and we've seen plenty of photos and news coverage and whatnot, so i recognized him. he did have a sure on, pictures of his tattoos and whatnot. i asked him, i said, what are you doing? >> he said, i am camping. >> he was not camping, but anyway, i thought sidney, get on the golf cart. i did not want to alarm him to what i knew, and i said, have a nice day. as it as he jumped on the golf

cart, she says, was that him? >> you think that he knew that you recognize the? >> i don't know how he could have not, but he has not access to that news to know that he's plastered everywhere. i really don't know that. >> are you guys afraid at all? you would have good reason to be. >> oh, absolutely because the news and everything, we're seeing that he could be armed and dangerous. i don't know if he has a gun or what's going on, so it's like, sydney, the dog and i, we have to get back to the house. >> it's so interesting because a couple of days ago, i ended feud the person who spotted him the last time he escaped, and that person's dog also alerted him to disguise presence, so this is the second time that a dog has alerted to discuss presence on somebody's property. how does it feel, sydney, to know that all free of you help capture this guy? >> it's really surreal, like

not what i expected to be doing saturday night, in the least. but very glad that we were able to, and dogs know, dogs know people, they sense things because it could have been a fisherman, and he would not have reacted that way. >> how long was it from when you called to the police? i imagine that weight must have been pretty scary? >> if felt like forever, but it was not very long. >> the first officer was for ten or 15 minutes. it seemed like forever because we're standing out watching just to make sure he's not come up towards the house or anything, but they were here pretty quick. >> at that point, did he tried to run at all, did you know, or was he just waiting there? >> we don't know. >> he did not wait there. >> he headed up the creek. we don't know because we left th