city's police commissioner today. the son of a four -- puerto rican police officer, now becoming the first latino police officer to lead the force and into hundred 77 year history. washington d.c. also nominating a new police chief today. if concerned by the d.c. city council, pamela smith would be the second woman and the first black woman to permanently run that department. also, a special programming before we go, tune into the league tomorrow at four pm. my colleague jake tapper will be interviewing republican case presidential candidate, ron desantis. a lot ask him. thank you so much for joining us tonight, we will see you here tomorrow. cnn prime time with laura coates starts right now. i. laura >> hey kaitlyn. we are going to be going really deep into what is going on with these gilgo murders. it's unbelievable what is happening there. this is right up my alley, i know that sounds odd, but we are going there. >> no one better to talk about it then. you >> i owe you money, find

kaitlan. good evening everyone, i'm laura coates. thank you all for joining me. the tv show dexter, remember that one? there is a serial killer who quietly led a double life. holding down a normal job on one hand, having a family in the suburbs, lending perfectly into society. in real life that plot is now eerily similar to an accused killer and a series of horrible murders. this is rex human, and architect in new york. a husband, father of two, he is also behind bars tonight charged with the killings of three of the four women who are known as the gill go for and investigators fear that there could be more victims. the unsolved murders have literally terrorized taught long island for more than ten years now. in fact, ten other sets of human remains have also been found. the cold case now it recently became warm after a task force

got is sample of heuermann dna from pizza crust that he threw away. among the items that were found in his own home where more than 200 guns and a child like a doll in a case. tonight i am speaking to the cases top investigator who says that the crimes are the worst he has ever seen. he is afraid that there are more victims. joining me now in sulfa county 's deputy police commissioner, anthony carter. commissioner, thank you for joining us. this has been captivating long island and the nation for quite some time. but this is the gilgo for, but only three were charged, three different women have actually been found right now. so let me begin with that fourth woman, maureen burns. is there a connection from heuermann to her death yet? >> well, right now, our task

force, in conjunction with all of our law enforcement partners, are actively investigating whether or not our defendant is a part of more victims. >> why do you think there might be more victims? >> well, at this juncture, as i said, we have come a very long way in the investigation. at this juncture we feel that, even though we have come a long way, and we still have a very long way to go. at this point, as to where we are, we just do not know. but rest shirt we're going to find out. >> let's talk about what you do know so far. i won the big questions, i don't know if it is out of fear, or trying to get into the mind of an alleged suspect. one of the questions people wonder's motive. have you established any kind of motive for these heinous

acts? >> what we are doing is analyzing every bit of information. those determinations and exactly what we have seen are going to come out as the investigation continues to unfold. >> you are searching his home. what if he found so far? >> so as previously was presented a lot of different guns and rifles among other things our task force members and everybody involved with the investigation really going to take the house down to the studs to find out exactly what's in rexes home. >> what have you found so far. i know there was a childlike doll that was removed what's that all about? >> they are taking -- i've seen a lot of talk about the doll, and as as of now from where we are we are just processing every bit of whether it is evidence or pieces of things in the household we are

going to take and analyze it. >> now for you to get to the point where you're looking at a pizza crust, obviously this is a person who has been a suspect for likely longer than it has been told in the public eye. what was the process of getting this case warm again to the point where you chose to look at the dna samples or try to get some indication from this suspect in connection with these murders? how did we get there? >> yeah, it's a great question. i think when we go all the way back to how we conduct an investigation, we take a look and when we have a potential lead we exhaust that lead and we continue to examine until the point comes when maybe that person maybe can be eliminated. in the case with rex, every investigative step that we took fail to eliminate him, and it caused the task force to continually narrow their focus and while he became a person of

interest, every step that we took lettuce further further down that road. >> how long has he been a person of interest? >> he's been a person of interest for quite some time now. >> more than a year? >> quite some time. >> why are you not saying how long? is it because there hasn't been a presentation to the media of what you are looking at? or me because you don't want him to be aware? >> i think just in the terms of an active investigation i think it's very important that there is nothing that we want to do that would compromise this investigation in any way. >> understand that, certainly as a former prosecutor. have you found any items belonging to the victims that he may have kept in some way perhaps as the psyche of alleged serial killer as a souvenir. are you finding anything from the victims in the possession of his residence?

a storage unit? his office? anywhere? >> so the task force members, they are examining everything. there is no stone that they are going to leave unturned. as you can see, the investigation is taking its course. it's running into different locations throughout the county, throughout the state and even beyond. so as we continue to do that investigation, what we will see is what we will see. >> beyond the state, are their concerns that he is connected with other crimes outside of what's already been alleged for the suspect? >> the task force in conjunction with all of our law enforcement partners from all across the countries are all working together to see what we can piece together. >> who's a part of the task force? what station what assignments? >> so we have members from the

new york state police, the new york south county sheriff's office, the fbi, our very own investigators from south county police department as well as members from the district attorney's office. >> i'm curious about the cell phone data here. it was said the recent burner phones and he was alleged to have had, but they're also there are allegations that are made by prosecutors that he may have made taunting phone calls to the victims families. what can you tell me about that? >> yeah, there were calls that were part of the investigation where it's very possible that rex had placed phone calls to some of the victims and to some of the victims family members. for that reason and because he was still looking to still contact and still looking to reach out is why he was apprehended when he was. >> what does it mean the word taunting? what kind of communication was

he having? was he pretending to be the victim? was he insulting? or trying to make them believe that the person is still alive? what was he saying? >> that's still something that i can't disclose. if i could i would but that is still part of the ongoing investigation. >> are you speaking with any members of his own family. i wonder but his wife. did she suspect anything? did she make me statements so far? >> the task force members have been in contact with the defendants family members including his wife and you know they have had conversations and they are cooperating with the investigation. >> what does that mean to be cooperating? >> cooperating -- so they're talking with our investigators and the conversations are ongoing. >> do they have council? >> that i can't say.

>> are they persons of interest? >> that i also -- it's also all part of the ongoing investigation. >> the investigation commissioner carter as you mentioned have gone on for some time, and i understand the -- the go on with pursuit of justice. a lot of evidence that what is available maybe now maybe an accessible over the years, or was it not? was there a reason why this is not happened sooner? >> so with the creation of the task force, all of the investigative steps were re-visited, and that's part of what we were able to do. and really what these investigators, and we really have to just talk about all the members of the task force that were able to take a tremendous amount of information, a tremendous amount of investigative steps that were previously done and revisit those steps and really take a

deeper dive and do it collectively with the powers of not only the members of the task force but all of their resources from each one of the respective agencies as well. >> the coordination is astounding especially over the amount of time and just how cold this case once was. sort of living in the minds of and fears of people in the community remembering what had happened and what is going on here and the missing women. what is the suspect the now defendant human said in jail? as he made any statements you can tell us about? >> not that i'm aware of. >> is he in general population? is he being watched more closely? there's some reporting that he might be on a kind of suicide watch is that true? >> and i can't disclose i'm sorry. >> do you have a sense of the timeline of this investigation being concluded with any additional indictments for

prosecution's or the status quo for sometime? >> you know i really think just based on where we have been to where we are that this investigation is still in its infancy, and i think we have a long way to go. we have a lot of evidence to process, a lot of more witnesses to interview and tips are still coming in. you know, we have been urging the public if they have information to reach out to the suffolk county police department crime stoppers how hotline at one 802 to 0 tips. >> thank you so much for the information you've given us. there is a lot of interest in this case, suffolk county deputy police commissioner anthony carter. keep us posted, thank you so much. >> thank you so much again. >> up next. the january 6th rioter known as the qanon shaman. you remember this particular fellow? he's apparently taking it all

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all right now to politics and tonight senator joe manchin is not ruling it a third party run. and democrats to put it mildly are livid. in a moment i'll speak with one of his colleagues in congress who's warning that a third party candidate would hand the election to donald trump. but first, the democrat in new hampshire tonight's at that no labels conference. listen. >> we are here to make sure that the american people have an option. i've never been a race to spoil, i mean a race to win, and if i get in a race and get a win. >> joining me now is new hampshire congresswoman annie kuster, head of the new democrat coalition in the house. congresswoman thank you for joining us tonight. listen, we are hearing a lot about the no labels. it's not a coincidence that new

hampshire is the chosen venue. it'll have tongues wagging. they are talking about his though as an insurance policy that they are a vehicle to get valid access, not trying to run a candidate. the questions are being asked about the possibility of a third party candidate. what do you think about those chances, how it would impact iran by of course by president biden and donald trump? >> well, the irony is they are trying to show unity when actually they are going to sow division. laura, good to be with you, it is wonderful to have people come to new hampshire. we major in politics, this is what we do. we've had the first of the nation primary for many, many years and i always welcome people to come with their ideas. but what is different about new labels and, you always have to follow the money. what is different about no labels, is i think they are not being honest with voters. voters from new hampshire

expect for candidates to say what they believe in to believe what they say. and what we have with no labels is a group of people that have come together, many of them billionaire republican donors supporters of donald trump, trying to disrupt the two party system in order to reelect donald trump. and i think that is where we will end up if they end up on the ballot in places like new hampshire. >> now with no labels though, they of course want to point out that there are donors who have supported democrats as well who are providing money for the conference as well. there is a thought explained that the reason they don't want to be transparent so to speak because there's a lot of antagonize meant for donors who endeavored to try to be bipartisan. >> just close donors that's what we have to do, that's with the federal election commission and our election campaign laws,

every single one of my donors has to be disclosed. why won't they disclose? donors >> but that doesn't find the core of the argument, as to why is there concern about no labels. the core of the argument is much less about who is donating, and more about the disruption of the two party system. there are voters who say i don't like the twooicety it's ad place and amtrak tired of being in between. what do you say it does a look at this and say this is just giving somebody an option? what's the problem with? that >> will, in new hampshire for example under the two party system, we have 40% independent voters, so in my district i only have 30% democrats, 30% republicans, 40% i have to win over every single time. but what the voters in new hampshire know is that i say what i believe, i believe what i say. look at the policy they put out a put out this common sense platform with out specifics acting if these were simple laura let me tell you the

simple issues of already been resolved. the months that we have left a very complex. and we have people in this race president joe biden have put forth platforms and positions passed bipartisan legislation. they talk about a bipartisan approach? that's exactly what we did. and we won the bipartisan infrastructure bill and we got it signed and we won the inflation reduction act on clean energy. that's one of the energy issues they talk about is clean energy. it reads just like the biden plan that we're implementing right now so we have choice and a choice for me is president joe biden.

>> when you talk about clean energy, it's reminiscent of course of a senator who is in new hampshire who saying he will not run around and, he'll wait till the end of the year to make the decision. he has been a perpetual thorn in the side of a slim majority for democrats. although he has support in west virginia and he is not alone in his decision to buck the system in some respects. do you think that senator joe manchin is serious about actually contemplating a run for the presidency, or is this about the policy issues in the forefront? >> or is this about getting attention? i think that's why we are talking about it tonight. look, i know joe manchin. he's a colleague in the congress. i know where his position is, i know where his constituency is. and he represents west virginia, a history of coal, a history of carbon pollution in my view, and i think we are in a

transition period. 85% of the new projects that are in line for approval our clean energy projects and that's the direction that the american people want to go. look at the impact of climate justice summer. historic flooding in new hampshire and vermont. historic heat all across the southwest. fires that are burning. we have got to reduce carbon pollution. joe manchin knows it and he will be ready to make that transition as well. but i don't believe he'll be running for president. i just think this is a project that is ill informed, ill-timed. i heard him say earlier on the show on cnn that this is early in the process. the let me tell you, new hampshire voters are going to vote for the presidential election for 2024 in six months. it's almost six months to the day. the date will be january 23rd, that's how early in the process for us. this is the process. >> well we will see, what he actually decides to do. one of the big questions he will have is why is there an assumption that a third party

candidate will have the benefit of trump as opposed to a democrat but, we have some time to figure that out. not much. >> not! much not much. >> it really is congresswomen thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you laura. >> up next everyone. the qanon shaman is blaming his former lawyer for his own guilty plea. and now he wants to take it back. the lawyer will join me live to respond. plus we'll talk to john bolton about congresswoman jayapal calling israel a racist state. listening more than talking, and a personalized plan ♪ to guide you through a changing world. ♪ meet the portable blender we can barely keep in stock. blendjet 2 gives you ice-crushing, big blender power on-the-go. so you can blend up a mouthwatering smoothie, protein shake, or latte wherever you are! recharge quickly with any usb port.

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wants a court to reverse his guilty plea. he will, quote regrets only way down the mind. they are like sandbags on a hot air balloon. it's also casting blame on the lawyer who defended him saying statements that were made to mitigate his actions were actually true. attorney albert walk-ins joins me now. albert thank you for joining us. i can tell you, i've sat through many a plea colloquy as they are said. the judge lays out the fact that the person is giving up a lot of rights, they go to great lengths under a case like this in particular to ensure that the person is well represented and knows what they are doing. he's now saying that he really wasn't and did not actually mean the things he said. what's your reaction? >> well first of all, i want to start out by said that jake is

an exceptional i peaceful, gentle man. i am not going to argue on national tv with a guy who is half baked in january of 2021 with face paint, and tattooed nibbles and a horn hat and for up a shoulder. i'm not gonna win that argument. what i will say in federal court and i have had the privilege of representing privileges in federal court for just shy for decades. the last thing you want to do is to go back to the court after having spoken eloquently under oath and presented with extraordinary language that even the court remarked was remarkable and go back and said, now i'm taking that all back, no i want to do it all over. that's not wise. >> i don't want to cut you off, but the risk that you are intimating's? what by going back, it makes you vulnerable now to having the judge questioned that

lenient's? what is the concern and in him now saying? this >> certainly no judge and certainly no federal judge likes to be lied to ever. period. that's kind of a rule. now at the end of the day, the risk that you take is that you get back in front of that judge you wish for something, you get it. the next thing you know, you have a judge who is sentencing you to a term that is in excess of that which you appealed, and that very well could happen. it has happened before, more often than one might believe. but what's really more important here and what everyone has to understand is that jake is done with his sentence. he was sentenced to 41 months. he served after sentencing 19 months and then he's free. >> but the striking notion that he would be doing this at this particular juncture. and he points out on what to

read too little bit of the quantities playing out. he told the bbc in relation to what he said in relation to his sentencing, i never said i was duped by trump. i never denounced qanon, the queue or the qanon community, and i'm not schizophrenic. bipolar or depressed or delusional. i am wondering, did he tell you those things. was that the presentation to get to the judge before the sentence that led to what you just described? >> well, what i said it sentencing is a matter of public record, jake was present for sentencing. there was nothing but shaping delusional. there was nothing about jake that gave rise to the presentation of the court that he had repudiated qanon. in fact, jake made it very clear to the court itself that the label qanon shaman was one that had been placed on him, not one that he assumed on his own. he was a shaman. but the label the qanon shaman

was something that was a label opposed upon him that jake described as having assumed, picked up and blown up by media. >> well, tell me what are the chances here because obviously you have mentioned, he is already served a great part of his sentence. he's actually then released, he's now coming back, a guilty plea obviously forecloses a trial, it forecloses your appellate rights. many people in the audience may not understand. and they've heard of the stricken casts, of ineffective assistance of counsel for any lawyer to have that accusation wielded it can be very damning. i know you have praised this client and not being critical about him, but what is the ultimate goal here, to be able to have a re-trial? to be say i'd like to be tried?

obviously he can't do away with what he's already served? >> yeah, so i can't speak for jake. i can certainly tell you what i know is in the pleadings and i can tell you from a procedural standpoint is appropriate. for jake to have asserted in effect assistant to council, he had to do so within a one-year period following the sentencing. that's the period during which the court had continuing jurisdiction. check out a new attorney after sentencing, and that's appropriate and no such motion for ineffective assistance of counsel was filed for a period ever. jake had the right and entitlement even though he took a plea and even though he waved many of his appellate rights, he had the right to appeal the sentence. with his new attorney who came in right after sentencing he filed a notice of appeal, but never filed an appellate brief. in fact his new attorney dismissed the appeal, so those two avenues, the appeal and the assertion of ineffective assistance of counsel which doesn't bother me, that's a part of doing business. i've been doing this for just

shy of 40 years. it happens. people accuse you of that because that's all they have. but now we are past that period, jake is served his time, he got a very, very early, and he's a free man. where jake was compromised was not by the appeal or absence of an appeal, it was by the government not providing to jake during his pre-plea period those videos that ended up being shown on tucker carlson's show, they were not disclosed to him during the course of discovery in this case. that was an absolute duty of the government, and the government had no right to make that decision to not share that require disclosure with jake. it's not about -- >> clearly i was gonna say albert clearly a notion of withholding discovery that would undermine fairly ones ability to pursue effective defense. in this instance though, he is

one of others that are now trying to express regret over a guilty plea and of course, there are others that might believe this is advantageous at some point, a judge might be more receptive to this. albert, there is a lot more obviously here and we have seen more cases like this. thank you for joining us today. we'll be following this very carefully. thank. you >> it's my pleasure thank you laura. >> up next everyone. john bolton joins me on several topics including a democrat calling israel quote a racist state unquote, and trump suggesting that he wouldn't defend taiwan if you were president. plus there's major news on iowa's ban on abortions after six weeks so it looks like it may not actually happen after all. standby. i can be free to do the things that i love to do.

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tonight, the topic of israel

once again becoming a minefield of sorts for politicians, including democrats. congresswoman pramila jayapal apologizing for calling israel a quote racist state. >> somebody who has been in the streets and has participated in a lot of demonstrations, i think i want you to know that we have been fighting to make it clear that israel is a racist state, that the palestinian people deserve self determination and autonomy. >> those remarks come ahead of the israeli presidents address to congress this very week. and it have been widely being condemned by her own colleagues today. but as some progressive speak out against israeli settlements in the west bank and america's sponsor of the iron dome system, jayapal is just the latest to take criticism too far. for instance a congressman from

my own home state, minnesota is such as pro or israel lawmakers hold of allegiance to a foreign country in a bribe with campaign cash to support israel. here's speaker kevin mccarthy on jayapal today. >> i think the democrats want to believe that they do not have a conference that continues to make antisemitic remarks they need to do something about it. because they have defended these individuals time and time and again. >> now it's worth noting that moments later mccarthy invited rfk junior to testify, but despite that candidate basically said that covid was quote ethically targeting unquote disparaging in the chinese. >> everything he said, the hearing we have this week is about censorship. i don't think censoring someone is actually the answer here. i think if you can look at censorship in america, your first action to censor him

probably plays into some of the problems we have. >> it's also worth noting that mccarthy's caucuses also had issues. for instance, marjorie taylor greene from georgia once compared covid measures to the holocaust. congressman matt gaetz invited a holocaust denier to the state of the union. and congressman from new york george santos lied about his grandparents being in holocaust. want to bring in former trump national security adviser, former ambassador u. n. ambassador john bolton. thank you for joining us today. ambassador, i wonder what you make of congresswoman jayapal's comments today, it happened a couple of days ago, but she's been walking back several comments, they're still conference controversy nonetheless. what you make of her statements regarding israel? >> well i think they were very

ill-advised. it was a direct attack on the legitimacy of the state of israel. i think comments by a number of other democratic house members were entirely appropriate. it was either she was saying what she really thought which would be a big problem or she very badly misspoke. >> given the fact that there is been a lot of conversation surrounding israel, a lot of the things we talked about, a lot of democrats and some republicans have been very vocal about the policy stances of netanyahu, it is been navigating a kind of minefield. on the one hand to be critical of those policies, and then going beyond that criticism in a way that is happened, are you seeing this as reflective of a larger issue that is a part of either party or is this a one-off in your mind? >> no, look i think there is growing anti-sentiment senate -ism in united states and in europe. it is never been entirely eliminated and i think a lot of people tried to disguise the antisemitism by saying it's simply critical of the states of israel, but i think it's pretty hard to disguise when

you see it is frequently unfortunately as we see it today. >> speaking of support from this country, ambassador bolton, i want to ask you what's going on in the war in ukraine, because there is polling that shows that the support on the right for u.s. aid to ukraine has been frankly drying up. it was clear from the crowd's reaction and we saw just a couple of days ago with tucker carlson pushed the former vice president mike pence on his support. listen to what he had to say. >> your concern is that the ukrainians, a country most people can't find on a map have received tens of billions of u. s. tax dollars don't have enough tanks. i think it's a fair question to ask, where is the concern for the united states in? that >> it's not my concern. tucker i've heard that routine from you before but that's not my concern. anybody says that we can't be the leader of the free world and solve our problems at home as a pretty small view of the greatest nation of earth. we can do both.

>> so what's behind this growing sentiment on the right. you heard the applause? >> i wouldn't say that's a random sample of the republican party. i think a lot of it is due to donald trump. i think he has unleashed the virus of isolationism within the republican party again, but i don't think it means that support for military aid to ukraine is not drying up. even in the vote in the house on amendments to the defense authorization bill last week, to cut off aid to ukraine, it's true that 70 republicans voted in favor of cutting off the aid, but also means that two thirds of republicans voted to sustain it. it was a free vote for the 70. they knew the aid to ukraine was ultimately going to be approved overwhelmingly. i think it's a huge issue. i think those of us who see the problem of isolationism ultimately brings to the united states continue to have a responsibility to speak out against it.

whether it's donald trump or dilute onto follow him. >> ambassador, i spoke with the former prime minister boris johnson last week, and he noted that if trump wins election, he does not worry that support for ukraine would actually dwindle in some way. he doesn't worry about the support more broadly. do you see share that same sentiment that even there's a change in administrations that the support that was just expressed a nato is going to persist? >> well, i think it will persist in most of the republican party. i do worry that trump becoming president, but i don't think that is going to be the biggest issue on his mind. my main concern is just making sure he doesn't get the nomination. that would be going a long way to getting things back on track. i think trump is an aberration, and the sooner we overcome it is better the better.

>> he was asked over fox over the weekend with former president trump about his plans should he actually try to endeavor to end the war in ukraine. he thought he could do it in about 24 hours. listen to what he had to say. >> i know zelenskyy very well and i know putin very well even better. and i had a good relationship, very good with both of them. i would tell zelenskyy, no more, you gotta make a deal. i would tell putin, if you don't make a deal, we're gonna give them a lot, we're gonna give them more than they ever got, if we have to. i will have the deal done in one day. one day. >> i mean ambassador bolton, here is former national security adviser. it's not going at all in to suggest that ending a war like this in a day based on just a mere conversation is hyperbole but what is your response? >> well if i were the chairman of the democratic national committee i take that clip and run it from now until the republican convention. it shows he is not competent to be president. honestly, i don't think the war would be his big play on ukraine. i think he wants to find hillary clinton's server.

he wants to find out why burisma hired hunter biden. that's what his main issue is with ukraine. it always will be, that's what he promised, he promised a few weeks ago that a second trump term would be about retribution, and i think that's what his focus on ukraine would be. >> he was also asked in that same interview whether or not the united states should help taiwan in the event of an invasion from china. let's know what his answer was. >> if china takes taiwan they will turn the world off potentially. i mean potentially. but remember this. taiwan took smart, brilliant, they took our business away, we should've stopped them. we should've taxed them, which have tariffed them. >> remember the question he was asked about whether the u.s. should help taiwan in the event of an invasion. similarly, i wonder from his

perspective if he should suggesting that we would not defend taiwan? and if so is that the right response? >> no, i think the doctrine is strategic ambiguity where we left it unclear whether we should defend taiwan has been overtaken by events. i think we should make that clear, i think our efforts should be to deter the attack in the first place. but that answer was another real insight into how little trump understands international trade, and international business. taiwan didn't take anything. morris chong who founded taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company went to taiwan after texas instruments didn't make him the ceo. if they had, maybe would've stayed here, and in any event for decades, american administrations and both parties watched this migration of highly sophisticated silicon chips overseas. and the semiconductor industry went out of the united states.

nobody took it from us, we gave it away. without regard to the national security implications. so we've got some lessons to learn from that. trump didn't learn any of them. >> with the current state of the gop and the federal government, did you ever consider a third party run? >> no i would not consider a third party run. i don't know what the effect of independent or third party candidates in the 2024 election would be, but i am very worried that in a system where we already have critics on both sides claiming that the system is a legitimate that a third party candidacy might make things even worse. i think the real problem is polls indicate something like 70% of the american people do not want to see a biden versus trump rerun of 2020. i certainly consider myself part of that 70% and it's incumbent on those of us who don't want to see it to do everything we can to prevent it.

that's what the game is about right now. >> do you intend to run for president? >> no, i've said for sometime and considering it. i san benito competitor this point, standing at the water's edge, but we'll see what happens. it's a very unusual cycle. >> well we will see if you dive on in. thank you for your time this evening. >> glad to be with you. >> up next. elton john, or should i say sir elton john appearing in a london courtroom today testifying for the defense and actor kevin spacey's sex assault trial. this is testimony help? we'll talk about it next.

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behalf of kevin spacey, just one of our legal talkers tonight. litigation attorney scott bolden, but first to cnn's omar jimenez. omar, bring us to speed on the kevin spacey case for those who don't remember. >> hey everyone, so elton john appeared in court today but as a witness in the sex defense trial against actor kevin spacey, appearing in an videolink according to the press association. it's called testify in spacey's presence in the and event at his home in windsor, england. spacey's accused of aggressively grabbing the crotch of a man who was driving in a car to event which the actor denies. >> let me ask you the sky because he's basically saying i don't remember this person being at my party, and the events is that he allegedly groped a person on route to a party. elton john testifying along the sudden he doesn't remember if he was there a specific date.

the audio survey testifying saying, i don't remember seeing the person at the event. what does that do about the allegations of the actual assault? >> it creates a different timeframe. now, in this case, the issue is when was he out of this party? now, elton john testifies and his partner testified, or husband, that they were there in 2001. spacey attended only in 2001 where they do this annual gala for aids benefits. the complaining witness, the victim alleged that he was grabbed and groped on a car on the way to this benefit in 2004 and five. it creates doubt in the minds of the jury and judge into the accuracy of the victim of when this occurred, or even if this occurred. remember, kevin spacey is arguing to the jury and judge that this never occurred. it was either consensual or it never occurred in the car on the way to this benefit. >> so he is just poking holes

into the credibility of the witness about what he might or call, but does not actually speak to elton john being a witness to the actual alleged assault. this is about what took place afterwards, right? >> ellen john was only on the stand for about ten minutes. he didn't see the actual groping, he didn't even remember who kevin spacey was with or not. in fact, he believes you flew in and went right to the party given that it was a white tie affair. we will see. >> i want to go back to omar with of all the news out of iowa on the abortion ban. omer? >> out of iowa, a state judge is temporarily blocked iowa's six-week abortion bans. so abortions will main legal up to 22 weeks into a pregnancy. that blocks recently signed a law that would ban the procedure as early as next week, which governor kim reynolds has celebrated as which he touted as a protection of life. but it does not completely over yet. the law has basically been placed on hold until the court can issue a final decision, and

that is according to the ruling. >> well, you know, you and i know quite well, but many not understand what chronology is at play here. when a judge says i'm going to put a hold on this, i'm going to let the legal case go through the entire system, and that injunction, what does that really? mean >> normally you file a complaint and then go to discovery and then a trial, or there is a settlement. with emergency relief, which is extraordinary, you have a complaint, a motion for a tro, and then a permanent injunction. so it is one part of a sudden poll process. in this case, what the plaintiffs of argued, is that on an emergency bases, that they cannot wait for the trial to take place and for this new law under iowa, the abortion law in iowa, they cannot wait. there is a violation of constitutional rights on the 14th amendment for women seeking abortions up to 20 weeks. this law says up to six weeks, or when there is cardio activity. the young woman who maybe

pregnant might not even know she is pregnant, and after she finds out, it will be too late. so, on an interim basis, the judge said we will take a look at this, we will look at the standard of review, which i think is unfair burden in regard to -- the 14th amendment rights. of course, the government is arguing that it should be a rational basis to invade your rights. i'm getting technical, but the bottom line is that on an interim basis, this abortion law was just passed and signed by the governor. it will not take place until the judge considers it and a trial trial is had. >> temporary, not permanent at this point in time. we will see what happens in a post-dobbs world. >> it's all about the states now. >> it really is. thank you. up nex