pregnant might not even know she is pregnant, and after she finds out, it will be too late. so, on an interim basis, the judge said we will take a look at this, we will look at the standard of review, which i think is unfair burden in regard to -- the 14th amendment rights. of course, the government is arguing that it should be a rational basis to invade your rights. i'm getting technical, but the bottom line is that on an interim basis, this abortion law was just passed and signed by the governor. it will not take place until the judge considers it and a trial trial is had. >> temporary, not permanent at this point in time. we will see what happens in a post-dobbs world. >> it's all about the states now. >> it really is. thank you. up nex

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a potential place in the wrong place at the wrong time. a woman is in the hospital tonight after a bison charged her at yellowstone national park. she and her friend were walking away and the bison gored her. wow! can you imagine? >> that is awful. what are you showed to do if not ease away slowly? >> do you think i know? >> i watch national geographic with popcorn on my lap. thank you very much. >> we'll find out and al everyone tomorrow night. good evening.

welcome to cnn tonight. an investigator on the gilgo beach thriller case called the suspect, quote, demon. tonight a flood of new evidence. why did it take detectives more than a decade to put it together? 80 million americans under heated alerts. how long can humans live in 125 degrees temperatures. we look at what our leaders need to do now. >> we're learn abouting that. donald trump and the various course cases that he's the center of. the doj and trump's lawyer go back to court tomorrow about

his mishandling of classified documents. >> i know is it a highly respective judge, very smart and strong. >> so appointed her? >> yes. she loves our country. we need judges that love our country so they do the right thing. >> so let's begin there with tomorrow's news tonight. the judge in the case is telling both sides to it be ready to discuss a trial date when they appear in her courtroom tomorrow. the doj wants this trial to happen fast. team trump hopes to delay the primaries before till after this. and joining us are our next guests.

gentlemen, thank you very much for being mere. it sounds like, she's so smart. she's so strong. she loves the country. are judges susceptible to flattery? could that affect a judge's judgment? >> i think everyone is somewhat susceptible to flattery. but i think most do go by the rule of law. >> it was overturned. her judgment felt she was siding with team trump and then an appellate panel overturned her? >> unanimously. two of them were appointed by mr. trump. i think that is significant. judges have to be about the law. the system is has to work and not influenced by flattery but

influenced about what the constitution says and what the federal and indictment say and what they're going to be doing here. i think this is going to center around specifically tomorrow. the issue that you mentioned, in terms of what you mentioned, trump wanting to extend it and move it on, perhaps till after the presidential election. i think there are other significant issues concerning classified documents and how the jury handles them. >> in terms of the state. the doj wants this to happen soon. they're asking for mid-december trial date. team trump has reasons to want to delay it and push it past the primaries and past the presidential election. so which one do you think the judge will side, given with

what is customary? >> what is customary is split the baby. i think the date that the judge has in mind is a progressive date. i think it will be somewhere in between. i'm not sure it should be a function of the election. i think that is important to the american people. i think the real issues here are the volume of discovery, the classified information, the procedures act issues that complicate things extraordinarily and motion practice in the case. the special prosecutor said it was a novel case. we have never encountered the tension between a former president and a view of documents and the espionage act and how they resolve them. >> you don't think that the timing of the presidential election should play into this? as it gets closer to november,

2024, isn't that a factor? >> sure. i think it is definitely a factor. my focus generally in cases is on sort of what the real mechanism is about moving forward. there is a speedy trial act. in the interest of the american people, it should be before the election. the nuts and bolts of this case should drive the case. you're talking about 57 terror bites of images so far. the library of congress is ten bites of data. this is a lot of information. 833,000 pages of review. it would not be normal to put that to trial in six months. >> says are sobering numbers that you just threw at us. in terms of the discovery and even having to present to the

other side the materials that you're talking about, unless you have security clearances, you cannot show them the classified dossier documents. does donald trump still have the clearances? >> i think what is important is if the lawyers that are accessing the information have the security clearances and able to evaluate the information. defense attorneys need to evaluate it and make determinations how they can use it for their client's advantage. there is more complication because it is classified information. but now you have this interesting balance if the judge will take into act a presidential elect. on the one hand, it should

proceed in accordance with everyone for everyone to get prepared. will people buy in, if the judge says nothing to see here, keep moving forward and forget the about the presidential election. it has to factor into some degree. i don't think the judge sub too differential to the process. but they need to make sure that everyone is fully prepared on a date certain. that is necessary. >> thank you very much. >> let's bring in former white house deputy secretary sarah matthews. i don't know if you heard the sound bite that we played in the beginning of former president trump talking about the judge that she is so

strong, so smart. how did you hear that? >> exactly what you said. he's giving praise on her hoping that she will rule in his favor tomorrow. that goes to show that trump is all about loyalty. he thinks this judge owes her something because he put her in this position. therefore, in his eyes, she should rule in his favor. in the same interview, he said something along the lines that she should, quote, do the right thing or the people that love this country should do the right thing. he's putting out this thinly thread of quote, wanting her to do the right thing tomorrow. hopefully she will ignore that and do what is best for the case. >> sarah, the is a new york times article about what donald trump and his team are planning if he were to win the primary

and then win the presidential election in 2024. it is to consolidate presidential power. he didn't feel that he was powerfugh last time around and had to share it with other branches of power and rnment and he would try to change that. these are access. they are not running away from reporting. this is what they say they want to do. bring independent agencies like fcc, fdc under presil control. bacay scour the agencies to reviewomof the donald trump's perceived enemies. what do you make of those plans? >> i've been sounding the alarm for a long time that i think

donald trump is a threat to our democracy, i resigned on january sixth about his lack of action that day and the lies about the election. he wants to erode our democracy and do away with our checks and balances and have a dictatorship. he wants more power for himself if he were to become president ever again. my hope is that he will never have that chance and that someone will beat him in the nominating contest and be the republican nominee. that doesn't look to be the case right now. he's a front-runner. that is concerning to me. >> sarah, people like you have spoken about having a breaking point and leaving and never wanting to work in those

conditions again for donald trump. but other people are still with him. how hard would it be for you to assemble a staff and go with him? >> i get asked that question a lot, how did you work for donald trump back in his first administration? i wanted people of good character like myself and stephanie. and what we saw at the end of his administration is that he stopped listening to people that were not telling what he wanted to hear. and started to listening to people that were feeding into his worst instinct. that is my worry, is that the people surrounding him would people are not good character. i think the folks that are sticking by his side are not

doing so in the best interest of their country but the best interest of their own careers. >> thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you. a new flood of evidence in the gilgo killer case, including a doll found in the suspect's house and hundreds of guns. we'll hear the latest in the case and why the police feel like the suspect was getting ready to strike again.

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he has pled not guilty to the murders. >> i can't begin to imagine the pain that the families have had to endure over the last decade and to know that this demon was capable of doing such an evil act to the families. it is just beyond comprehension. >> suspect reportedly only had one question in jail after being arrested last week. he said, quote, is in the news? this is according to a source there. joining me now is anthony -- a reporter from news day on long island and cnn chief law enforcement analyst john miller. great to have all of you. john, why did it take ten years

to come up now -- the evidence is coming to the forefront and they're gathering it all sorts of new evidence. why did it take decade? >> the suffix police homicide detectives worked on this for a long time with everything they had at their disposal. when the new chief came in and he took our suffix county, he said let's bring everybody in, the state police. let's bring in the sheriff. they have access to people in prison, informants. let's bring in the fbi. and they formed a task force. and then using all of those capabilities, they broke it down to let's start with the phone work. we know that the bad guy had a phone and called victims' families and made other calls. they fanned out from that to

say, who can we compare who calls from these locations to. we have one witness of a description. >> a witness that knew the car that he was driving. >> both. a description of the guy and a car. and we have the burner phone. if we put a burner phone and that person together. and then a state completing investigators running the car in a different way through databases finds a person that owns a green truck and the burner phone and the rest is history. >> i know you've been talking to some of the neighbors where he is from. what do they say about him. >> of course, very surprised, stunned and shocks. they shout he was an average

the house was not kept very well. >> which is a little odd for for an architecturer. >> yes. >> he was sort of combative? >> yes. >> he was not really a nice guy? >> no. he just had a look and a little intimidating. >> i know lots of people tried to crack this case and tried to profile who it might be. did anybody get close? >> no. nobody got close. and what is frustrated being this entire thing is that none

of this evidence that they have is new. this is all evidence that we've had since 2010. it begs the question, why did it take 13 years to get here? it just calls into question the previous administration was in control of the case in 2010. we know the police chief at that time was corrupt. he ended up in jail, so did the da. it is frustrating, had they done their jobs, the families of these victims could have suffered a lot less time. it is frustrating. >> john, there were other bodies found in this same vicinity. is there any reason, other than location, to believe it is the same suspect? do they have the same telltale signs? >> some of the cases they're looking at, one of them is an

infant, a toddler, that is the one that doesn't fit with the pieces. >> and one is a man. >> yes, one is a man. you have to ask this question, how many people were using that same stretch of road as a burial ground for murder victims. it is not common for serial killers to have a joint burial ground. it is a dense area. and now they have an advantage. they have a house full of forensic evidence and a storage location beyond that and perhaps other locations to be found and what they were able to take from him like dna and hair. so there will be a lot more things to compare to maybe bring the cases together? >> friends, thank you very much. we appreciate all your

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democratic senator joe mansion is teasing that he could enter as a third party candidate and know labels. mansion insists that he will not be a spoiler. but plenty of democrats disagree. joining me now is former maryland governor larry hogan and the national cochair for no labels. governor, great to have you. >> great to be with you. thank you. >> so let's talk about third parties and third party candidates. that is a very appealing, i think, idea to lots of americans.

it is tempting. it comes up, as you know every four year. people think wouldn't it be great to have another option. in reality, explain how the imagine works particularly for 2024. >> sure. the math usually doesn't work and rarely has ever worked. but i think we're in a unique moment in time where an overwhelming majority of americans really don't like the two potential choices that it looks like they may be faced with. 70% of the people in america do not want a rematch of 2020. they don't want biden or trump to be the next president. i get did it. it is a tall order. the efforts of no labels today it is about laying out a common sense buy die bipartisan

agenda. but the thought is there may have to be an insurance policy, in case of an emergency break glass, where we offer the american people another choice. >> that is interesting. because i have heard you talk about this emergency break glass scenario. do you consider in terms of your own possible run, do you consider the leading republican candidate having been twice indicted and various other investigations around him, would that be a break-glass moment? >> i do extra that. i'm still hopeful that we can

find a strong candidate that can challenge him and win the nomination. it doesn't seems like that will happen today. but we're a long way off. it is hard to be in politics. we'll look at what is in the primaries next spring. >> have you ruled out a run? >> what's that? >> have you ruled out a run? >> i made the decision back in the spring to not seek the republican nomination. i have not ruled out the possibility of this. this is not something i'm focused on or giving a lot of serious consideration to. but if we get to the point -- someone has to have the courage to put the country first. they're talking about butting a unity ticket, for the good of the country we're going to run together. that is not something i have not given a lot of thought to, but i have not ruled it out.

>> in terms of the math, as you know, former president trump lost some pivotal battleground states like georgia, arizona, wisconsin by a slim margin, something like 44,000 votes. how can a third party, being so new, not be a spoiler if that were the case? >> i can tell you that there is not a soul in the organization that intentions to be a spoiler. i would not try to do anything to try to tip the election in donald trump's favor. i don't think joe mansion or lieberman would do it either. right now 70% do not want biden or trump. 59% said they would consider a third alternative. and 49% of the people in the country are registered independent. a new poll showed that 33% said they would vote for trump.

32% biden and 31% said they would vote for neither. it is not a spoiler. it is about this group is only interested in running if we can actually win and bring the country together. >> i want to ask you about an interview that our caitlyn collins did with georgia governor brian kemp. he was no fan the way donald trump conducted himself after he lost the 2020 election. but he said that he would vote for donald trump again if he's the gop nominee. i think it would be a surprise that you helped to get him elected given your history with him. >> i would ask a lot of people, i have a lot of people that say, i cannot go there and do that. but i'm thinking about the next president is going to be picking probably another supreme court justice and judges on the court of appeals, a federal judgeships, and dealing with shrinking our military and standing up to our

adversaries around the world. who would you want to be your president? >> what do you think of that logic? >> bryant kemp is a good friend and somebody i admire. i was involved in helping him to make sure that he won the primary when donald trump was trying to oppose him. i don't degrudge him for that opinion. there are a lot of people in the republican party that would vote for donald trump if he was the nominee. i just would not be one of them. i think he disqualified himself from being our next president. >> great to talk to you tonight. it is not just former governor hogan that would consider a run in 2024, one democratic senator would also. we'll tell you what joe mansion said.

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west virginia senator mansion is playing coy on a presidential campaign. but what he is not coy about is his influence in the white house. >> he's been pushed too far left. he knows that. we're friends. we can talk. but i think they are interpreting and trying to implement pieces of legislation that never had the intent of what they're trying to do to make something that is to pass. so we have our differences. you have the ability to have a day to log and to talk about it. i think he's been pushed too far to the left. i think that he has the strength to fight back and he will. we'll see. >> let's look at this and so

much more with rolling stone's columnist and others. let's talk about the possible third party run for whomever. we discovered larry hogan of maryland. he did the math and he did a compelling case that a third of the country doesn't want a democrat or a republican. so why not a third party candidate. you're a number cruncher. can it work? >> no, i don't think it can. they're not independent. we're mostly align in one other the other. but at the end of the day, it is hard to go to a aired party. especially when a third party candidate as unaspiring as we're seeing right now that will give you the energy and someone that would change your

mind that much. i don't see it happening. >> ron? >> i agree. >> why could it never work? >> it cannot work because of the electoral college. even if you can draw an audience like ross per row did, he did not win a single state. 40 states have voted the same way in the past four presidential elections. that is a higher percentage of the states that even in the four elections that franklin roosevelt won consecutively. there are is no page for 260 electoral votes. and they can tip it one side or the other. and since that donald trump never got 47% of the vote, the odds are very high and he's a republican nominee, he will be the most at advantage. >> but people are tempted by it. voters are fickle. and they often say, if only there was another way, a third

party. it is just the system that is preventing it from happening. for instance, rfk junior, he got 20% are in the polls. people are intrigued when someone breaks the mold. >> donald trump is not a popular incumbent right now. my friend jessie whiteman said let the people vote, we should abolish the electoral college. this is one of the ways it freezes into system that does not meet most americans where they are. i was listening to his comments earlier. when push comes to shove, there are issues that divide democrats and republican. i don't think joe mansion, who almost stopped the most important climate change legislation in this country is

not somebody that wants somebody that is in such a close relationship with the coal industry to rule the country. when push comes to shove, it is difficult -- people say they flirt with a third party candidate. but ultimately they come down where they come down. >> let's talk out rfk jr. for a he caused controversy. the new york post has him making a pabout covid. he said that covid-19, there is an argument it is ethnic this targets to attack caucasians and black people. he's polling a lot higher than the other candidates. >> it is somewhat shocking that he's doing as well as he is. if you look at his track record when it comes to the things that he said. he's pretty far out there. it was only a question of time

before he stepped in something. this one i think is really hard for him to step out of. his family is on social media right now distancing themselves from him. they are saying it is taken out of context. the question was asked of me and this is what i said. i think it will be an issue for him. i don't think he was a real threat. but i think there is an appetite for president biden and an appetite for somebody that is going to bring up different ideas out there. >> it is often said that someone is in the controversy swamp, they're going to come up with anti-semitism. it is one of our old of the conspiracy theories in our administration. they are secretly controlling the world. when you enter into the nonfactual, free associate conspiracy theories, eventually, you encounter the hoover conspiracy theory.

this is offensive. this is the no funny. we know people that in the jewish community got very ill very early on. so the idea at that time people were accused of spreading the playing. and now somehow we're done with the playing and it is reprehensible. >> i appreciate you guys being here tonight. we have an cnn exclusive. governor desantis is going to join us on the campaign trail. the interview will be 4:00 p.m. tomorrow on cnn. you see tourists flocking it the flaming mount yesterday. the temperatures were 176 176 degrees. we're looking at what is going

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or higher. the heat is on worldwide. china set an all-time national high temperature of 126 degrees. a top climate group is warning of worldwide, quote, heat hell what can we do about all of this before it is too late? bill weir joins me now. tell me why we're in this mess. one of them is el nino . once that passes, can we go back to some reality. >> there is el nina, that is natural air-conditions in the oceans. the oceans have been covering a multitude of our earth at a time. so the ocean has been absorbing this, hiding it from us, the

full extent of it. and when el nina is replaced by el nino, we're seeing the records. this is going on in the ocean. and now it spread out too much, by september, the prediction is half of the world's oceans will be in a category 3 or 4 on a scale of 1 to 5 marine heat wave. so half of the planet will be overheating. enormous knockoff effects. >> the temperatures, look at china, 126 this week. how are people going to have a solution? >> you can't. in phoenix. when you stay over 110 for two weeks, you cannot send your kids outside. it changes the crops. it changes the agriculture.

it changes so many things working outside. what it does to the body and your organs begin to fail at some point. there is a rail worker in italy perished in the heat. and so it is the biggest killer more than all other natural phenomenal -- or unnatural he's days. >> can heads of state or we as individuals can do now? >> john kerry just restarted negotiations with china. if they're not talking, nothing gets done for the rest of the developing world. is that is good it is on since nancy pelosi made them angry with the visit to taiwan. john kerry is trying to convince the chinese how much meaning and that they're going to release and to stop burning so much coal. at home, he's facing questions

from the republicans like this. >> you want to have the american taxpayers, my constituents that are having a hard time affording their groceries, pay for a car, spent $1.6 trillion to fix a problem that doesn't exist. and you may be exacerbating it? >> why do you think 195 countries in the world, they're prime ministers and presidents -- >> because their drifting, like you sir. >> how can he say the problem doesn't exist? >> that is the party that has the most support from the fossil fuel interest. that is the decision is a hand of the hand sweeters from exxon/mobile, the petroleum club in houston. there is a small number of

states and corporations that are causing the problem. and they're making record profits right now and so know signs of changing that business model. it is interesting. people don't pick gas stations are fuel our lives right now because we're so dependant on these things. but the clean options are there in droves. and so economical it is outstripping fossil fuels. it shows how fast it can flip over. the more stuff we burn, the hotter it is going to get. >> you always open our eyes. >> i hope so. >> you all do. hello and a warm welcome to our viewers in the uniteat