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♪ former president trump's legal team is trying to find out what evidence the special counsel has in their election meddling investigation. this as we're learning more about what's in that target letter the former president received. what it could signal ahead. and the wagner boss appears to have been spotted in public for the first time in this dark, grainy video. details on yevgeny prigozhin's whereabouts and they are brokering a deal to, quote, save his skin. on capitol hill, two irs whistle-blowers testifying before the house oversight subcommittee about the hunter biden investigation. we'll speak one-on-one with a
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member of that committee. we're following these developing stories and more coming in to cnn news central. ♪ a major sign that a third indictment of former president donald trump could be coming and coming soon. multiple news outlets including the "wall street journal" now report that the target letter sent to trump regarding efforts to overturn the 2020 election is citing three federal statutes -- conspiracy to commit an offense against or defraud the united states, deprivation of rights, and tampering with a witness. the big question now is, is a third indictment coming and when? we have our justice correspondents with us. what more are you learning about the contents of this letter? >> the target letter doesn't normally revea much, but
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it does often when the justice department cos to send one to someone that is the target of an investigation and very likely to face charges, they do tend to put in there the three possible -- or however many possible statutes the person may face. in the case of donald trump, there are several news outlets that have reported today that it's these three statutes that are -- there may be more -- that the justice department is looking at charging trump with. and what these represent is really the sweep of this investigation. we've been saying it all along, the justice department is turning over stones all across the country, not just in battleground states, not just in the white house, not just what happened on gymnastjanuary 6th, they are looking at a conspiracy. that's one of them. that means two people. it doesn't necessarily mean another person would be charged, but it means if there's an agreement between two people that prosecutors could try and charge, so trump and another person working with them. the other one that's really significant is witness tampering. that case has been made many times against january 6th
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rioters. it's not just tampering with a witness. it's an idea of obstructing the congressional proceeding of january 6th. it's very likely what the justice department has looked at here. we don't know exactly what the case will be until the justice department takes it through the grand jury, hands it up through the court. but this is a pretty broad set of things that can capture a lot of the activity that trump was taking in 2020 after the election, the whole way up to january 6th. >> we heard those allegations of witness tampering, whether directly or inctly of trump during the committee hearings. it will be interesting to see where that may have landed. talk about the time line, evan. we go back to the first indictment when it came to the documents case. it took roughly three weeks from the time he received that target letter to the time that he was in indicted. we look at that and wonder is that going to happen again or might this play out differently? >> it's very likely it will play out a lot differently. one reason why it worked that
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way in that case is because trump and his lawyers made a whole fuss about wanting a meeting with the justice department, a meeting with merrick garland. they ended up meeting with a top career official in the justice department, and they made their case as to why the former president should not be charged. they were not successful in that meeting. ta took a little time. that ate up some time. we had a holiday, of course. and then the justice department moved the case to south florida because of venue reasons. again, that's something that ate up a few days. they read in the grand jury down in south florida on everything that this grand jury here in washington had already taken testimony on. in this case, you know, it's a lot simpler. the grand jury has been doing all of this work. so the deadline or, you know, the former president has until tomorrow to say he wants to come in and provide evidence to the grand jury. after that, tomorrow, you know, frankly, the grand jury could vote as soon as tomorrow to bring an indictment.
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and as for whether there might be other people, other people may not get target letters. for instance, we know john eastman, you know, equipment was seized in the case of jeffrey clark, his home was searched. you don't expect he would not be getting a target letter. he knows he's been at the center of and a target of this investigation since that day. again, we don't know who else might be part of this, but it's unlikely it's just trump that the special counsel is homing in on. >> you're painting the potential picture here of something very dramatic spanning multiple people possibly, so it's going to be very interesting to see what ultimately it is. thank you so much for taking us through that. boris? now that donald trump has been identified as a target in jack smith's interference probe, we're learning trump's legal team are working to figure out if there's any evidence or
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witnesses they're unaware of that may be strengthening the special counsel's case. >> reporter: i've spoke on the a number of trump lawyers and advisers who are trying to figure out what exactly they have in terms of evidence and witnesses that potentially trump's team did not know of. that's because these potential charges laid out in this target letter seem to indicate that jack smith, the special counsel, is going to prosecute a much bigger case than trump's team was originally believing to be. and when i'm talking to these sources, it's more of right now a conversation. they are kind of scratching their heads, trying to figure out what exactly this is going to look like. there were times in the last several months even they thought that trump wouldn't be charged or they thought that he might be
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not charged but an unindicted co-conspirator. that doesn't appear to be the case after this letter. one thing i want to point out is they have been watching this investigation closely. targ a number of witnesses are represented by lawyers who are paid for my trump world. to give you an idea of how closely they have been watching this investigation.trump world. to give you an idea of how closely they have been watching this investigation. so wondering if there was some key witness or information they didn't know about. >> not surprisingly, trump is fund-raising off of this target letter. >> reporter: that's right. we received the first fund-raising email last night. this is something his team says works. when we looked at the filing that came out last week, it does appear to be. he is raising money off his legal issues. it clearly is calling to some of these voters who are donating after any major event.
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that includes an indictment or arraignment and potentially a target letter. they are working with that. now, i do want to point out what i have often done when we are talking about this, which is even though trump's advisers and allies tout the high fund-raising numbers after an indictment or potential indictment as well as the high boost in polls after one of these events, there is also some concern that this is not going to be sustainable long term, and really because this is so unprecedented, what this would even look like down the road as he continues to run his third presidential bid. >> campaign events and court dates. kristin holmes, thank you. let's bring in john dean, an attorney who served as white house counsel for former president richard nixon. thanks for being with us. what does it tell you that right now trump's attorneys are trying to figure out if there's evidence jack smith has that they may not be aware of? >> well, i think we should be
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confident he has information they're not aware of. grand juries are secret proceedings. they are very closely held. this is a very successful office in running a very tight ship. so i suspect they are looking for threads that they might pull on and learn a little bit more. but it's not likely to happen. it's going to happen in normal course of discovery in the case. >> so, the target letter mentions three federal statutes that trump may go up against -- conspiracy to commit an offense against or defraud united states, deprivation of rights, and tampering with a witness. which of thoses the strongest in your view? >> well, the conspiracy case is very strong. federal prosecutors are very familiar with the law in this area. they're very successful in prosecuting these cases. so that's probably as close to a
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slam dunk as you're going to get. the other cases that are referred to in the reporting on the letter are a little bit of a head scratcher. the deprivation of rights. whose rights? mike pence? voters? we don't really know. so it's not -- and the witness tampering, is this cassidy hutchinson? we don't know. so, this is not a clear picture yet based on the little bit we've gotten from the letter. >> so, trump is expected to decline the invitation from prosecutors to appear before the grand jury. would you give him that advice against presenting evidence, against temping? >> absolutely. this is a man who is deeply challenged when telling the truth, and he would just be compounding his own problems to go in and try to wing it
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somehow. so, you know, i think there would be a body slam before they let him get in there and do it. he might want to claim he wants to talk to them and convince them out of charging, but it's not just going to happen. >> as we're awaiting a charging decision in the case about overturning the 2020 election results, trump is actually seeing a judge over the classified documents case. i'm wondering which of the two you think presents the bigger challenge for the former president. >> we haven't seen of course the january 6th indictment. but it's going to be a larger case, so that will have its own challenges. the documents case is a very clean case, notwithstanding all the huffing and puffing about the time needed and what have you. this is a pretty lay-down case.
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in most instances, there would be a plea deal being worked out. trump doesn't plead to anything, rather fund race raises off his difficulties, so he'll keep this going. but it is not an easy case to defend. the government has got overwhelming evidence on the obstruction. so i think he's going to have trouble with both cases. >> john dean, thanks for sharing your perspective with us. >> thank you. happening right now on capitol hill, the house oversight committee the questioning two irs whistle-blowers about the justice department and hunter biden. we'll speak to a republican member next. and the man behind the russian revolt may have been spomted on belarus. we'll have details on that and what britain's spy chief says about the deal the wagner boss
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right now on capitol hill, the first public testimony from two irs whistle-blowers is under way, and they are accusing the justice department of interfering with the years-long investigation of hunter biden. they say the president's son got preferential treatment leading up to his plea deal last month on two tax-related charges and a gun charge. let's listen to those whistle-blowers' claims. >> to i watched united states attorney weiss tell a room full of fbi and senior leaders on october 7th, 2022, that he was not the deciding person on whether charges were filed. that was my red line.
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i had already seen a pattern of preferential treatment and obstruction. it appeared to me based on what i experienced that the u.s. attorney in delaware in our investigation was constantly ham strung, limited, and marginalized by doj officials as well as other u.s. attorneys. >> democrats pushing back on this hearing. the top democrat on the house oversight committee, jamie raskin saying the hearing today is more political theater. joining us now is a republican member of that committee, congressman pete sessions of texas, who no doubt disagrees with jamie raskin on that. sir, you heard the claims from these whistle-blowers. it is very much the crux of their argument here or their claims here for their testimony that david weiss, the u.s. attorney in delaware, was ham strung by higher-ups at the doj. david weiss said that is not true. is weiss lying?
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>> well, the question at hand is very simple, and that is did these two lead investigators who worked for the irs, were they arbitrarily duped or did they -- were they somehow fooled? and the bottom line is they have explicit emails, conversations, and discussions that took place over years. these were two men who worked for the internal revenue service. they've taken the oath of office that all federal employees do. and then they found out that what was being handled was they were being lied to. and then once they pushed their case, they then were mishandled as whistle-blowers by the irs. this sits entirely, as you listen to their testimony, on main doj here in washington, d.c., that made these determinations up to and including stopping them from
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their investigation, asking questions, and seeing where the information and what it led to all the way to a special deal for hunter biden in the department of justice for what were felony matters that were then treated as misdemeanors. >> david weiss, the u.s. attorney who, to be clear, was appointed by former president trump and kept on by joe biden, which is generally not customary, but of course these proceedings were happening about hunter biden and he kept him on -- he said that merrick garland granted him, quote, ultimate authority over this matter, including responsibility for deciding where, when, and whether to file charges. he also refuted claims made about his title overseeing the investigation. he wrote in a separate letter to congress that he never requested special counsel status but rather explored becoming a special attorney under a different statute.
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so, i mean, let me ask you again, because that is obviously completely contradictory to what we are hearing from these whistle-blowers. do you think david weiss is lying? >> well, then you need to have whoever helped you for this presentation today, and then there was a follow-up letter where he corrected himself and a third let they're corrected himself that said that he did not then have that ability, that he was provided specific content that that would not be happening. so he got back, honestly, with senators that were involved, and the house committee on ways and means and james comer, government reform and oversight, and sent three letters in total that corrected himself each and every time. >> so, you have reports of this
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committee that you are on, the oversight committee, that have not found a link between hunter biden -- and i think it is fair to say that as we look at the behavior of hunter biden, it raises serious questions, and we've seen that, and he has this plea deal. but your own reports haven't found that -- if i may, because this is the important point i want to make -- developed a link between hunter biden and president biden and that question of whether there was wrongdoing on the part of the president. your own committee has not found that. senate republicans have not found that. have you heard these to whistle-blowers draw any direct connection? >> as a matter of fact, this afternoon, we will hear very directly from these irs whistle-blowers that the federal bureau of investigation briefed
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hunter biden's lawyers and gave them information about what they could expect and what might happen. so, if that's not a direct link, i'm sorry, somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. if you tell a person's lawyer rather than telling them from official law enforcement within the federal bureau of investigations, that is telling the client what he needed to know. >> no, what is -- but the direct link to president biden. what is that? 234 any proof of that? >> the direct link to hunter biden is that these -- >> no, to president -- to president biden, between hunter biden -- have you heard of a direct link between to hunter biden and president biden, and is there proof, actual evidence, to pack that up? >> as a matter of fact, there is, and it's the direct information where hunter biden was talking to the chinese
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intermediary where he talked about his father not being happy and that they better get the money there quickly. >> but, sir, let me just -- let me -- >> those are his words. >> that is a whatsapp text in the words of hunter biden who was, as we understand it, on drugs at the time. i'm not saying that it is not true. but we can't say that it is true. and i'm asking if you have corroborating information. yes, he certainly invokes his father. yes, that certainly raises questions about whether that is something that needs to be looked at. but is that true, hunter biden saying that, as he's trying to get some commitment from a chinese businessman isn't necessarily proof. do you have proof from these whistle-blowers or in any other way? because your own committee in its may report and the senate republican report from 2020 isn't showing a direct link, and
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that includes that whatsapp text that you just mentioned. >> the direct link is over $5 million put into accounts that were around the president's family, and that is undeniable that millions of dollars flowed into the biden family accounts. did that go through to the president -- >> but that's not the president. >> okay. all right. look, here's the bottom line. joe biden was attempting to use his influence when he was vice president of the united states. the official department of justice officials have chosen to ignore for over five years the information that was there, hundreds of reports from banks, just information that flowed forward that they did nothing about, that -- >> but if that is true what you say about him personally using his influence, that's a very serious claim that would need to
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be investigated and proven. >> it is a serious claim. >> so where is your evidence? >> well, we will go to them next. but it's also serious when you ask the president of the united states to go before your committee. but we're headed that direction. >> your own banking report in may, so this is recent, from the oversight committee, found no link to president biden. so you have been looking into this for some time. >> okay. we have been looking into it since january. we're now in our seventh month. we are now receiving information about the accounts that the money went to. they are simply all the way around the biden family. and we have information that --
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directly from hunter biden himself. if i had that, that said the president of the united states received this money, i'm sure you would hear about that. but hunter biden denied every bit of this and millions of dollars he did not report on his irs forms, did not report what those relationships or what was done, nor did he file as a person who was trying to receive influence from a foreign government while he was on the plane with the vice president of the united states to visit these countries. the bottom line is we will continue this investigation. the facts that we're developing today come directly from simply employees of the irs who have been retaliated against for doing their job. and that is a serious problem and against the federal law. and that is what our committee intend to keep investigating. >> and we will keep watching as you do that. obviously, these are very serious questions about hunter
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this is cnn -- the world's news network. >> russia's unleashed a second barrage of missile and drone attacks on the ukrainian port city of odesa. defense officials accuse vladimir putin of deliberately targeting infrastructure associated with the black sea grain deal, the one russia just got out of. odesa's mayor described the
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overnight strikes as one of the most horrible nights since the kremlin's invasion. and take a good look at this dark and grainy video. this purportedly shows yevgeny prigozhin, the man who waged an armed rebellion against vladimir putin last month. he's reportedly been spotted in public for the first time since his attempted uprising. the unedited video was post on wagner's social media channels and shows the leader greeting troops in belarus. cnn cannot to confirm the speaker in the video is prigozhin or even when it was recorded. cnn chief international security correspondent nick paton walsh has been following this new development. what more can you tell us about the video and yevgeny prigozhin's whereabouts? >> reporter: yeah. the video itself is pretty inconclusive. it's very dark and grain we. it sounds like prigozhin talking
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there, and if, indeed, it is verified or verifiable, it would essentially suggest that yevgeny prigozhin after a 25-day absence from public view is going along with the deal that ended his armed rebellion against vladimir putin in which the president of belarus said bring yourself and your fighters here. it's taken a while, it seems, for him to get there, but some geolocation that cnn has done appears to suggest that may be one of the camps where they were told perhaps wagner fighters would go and some of the metadata in that file backs up the timing of the purported filming. still questions to be answered, but it came out hours after here in prague the held of britain's foreign intelligence agency, mi6 gave a rare public speech and questions after which he told me, when i asked if yevgeny prigozhin was alive or healthy, that he was thought to be floating about, which would have amounted to the first western
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confirmation that he was still alive and at liberty. details certainly emerging today about where prigozhin is, it seem, and the fact he may have gong along with the deal that ended his armed rebellion, boris. >> on the deal that may have saved prigozhin's life and ended that rebellion, you heard directly from the head of mi6 about this and asked him specifics on the deal. what did he share with you? >> reporter: yeah. he said, look, this was a deal putin cut to save his own skin, very scathing, frankly, about the confusion clearly of that weekend, the weakness it displayed in putin, particularly when it came to putin's relationship with prigozhin. here's what the head of mi6 had to say today. >> you look at putin's behaviors on that day, prigozhin started off i think at breakfast. he had been pardoned by supper. a few days later he was in fa
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teepgs. there are some things that even the chief explains are a little difficult to try and interpret in terms of who's in and who's out. >> reporter: i mean, sort of startling i think in his expressions, essentially saying even with the resources of western intelligence it was hard for us to work out what on earth had been going on. but he clearly believes that russia's elite certainly feeling pressure of that extraordinary weekend and a rare and odd appeal, frankly, abnormal, directly appealing to dissident russians, disaffected russians, to spy for britain, give mi6 their secrets and essentially i think hoping that we may begin to see more dissent emerging from putin's inner circle. >> a lot of disaffected folks, you must imagine, given the dysfunction at the kremlin at this point. nick paton walsh from prague, thank you so much.
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dr. david newman toker. he's somebody who after this incident happened and after alice recovered anded a her appendix out looked into her case on behalf of johnson & johnson hopkins. it's harrowing. what happens is, in the study the doctor looks at 800,000 americans either died or severely disabled because of diagnostic error, which he says happens about 111% of the time. most of the time it's not death or serious disability, but 371,000 people died according to this study, 424,000 sustained permanent disability such as brain damage, blindness, loss of organs, limbs, or metastasized cancer. this is a serious issue. it doesn't make the doctor popular among his colleagues, but it's a serious issue. i'll be talking about it with sanjay coming up. >> it's hard being told that you're messing up. but we look at your daughter, and in this case, when it was
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really something as simple as needing a different test or a different image to look at a possibility that they were not considering. i mean, isn't that really what it comes down to in so many of these cases, is that doctors need to be thinking outside of this idea of what they think it may be and need to test the hypothesis? >> what happened with alice was horrific because first of all they wouldn't give us image lg. we were asking for imaging, can we get an x-ray or sonogram, and they would don't it. we don't need it, they said. sanjay talked about diagnostic momentum, for lack of a better term, buying into a narrative, we believe this is a virus, therefore we don't need that data because we've decided it's this and getting on that train of it's a virus, it's a virus, and ignoring other evidence suggesting something else.
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bhis her white blood cell count so high, et cetera, et cetera. this has become an issue, a cause for my daughter, alice. she talked about this on air with sanjay a year ago. while we were on vacation with idaho, a family in massachusetts found her on instagram and started writing about their daughter who had a situation similar to alice's, misdiagnosis, doctors messed up, they made the wrong decisions. and before you knew it, me and my wife and my daughter, we were all involved with this family telling them what to do. and thank gold that little girl is recovering. but, you know, you have to be fierce. people out there need to know they have rights as patients. my dad's a doctor, my mom is a nurse. i revere the medical profession. but people make mistakes and patients are allowed to say i really would like a sonogram, i really would like a kac.a.t. sc, you're not taking this seriously
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enough, i would like a consultation with the surgical team. >> it saves lives to talk about. >> when you and i mess up, we correct ourselves on air. we don't have the luxury of a mess-up like what doctors and nurses do. but doctors and nurses need to understand that diagnostic momentum could be a real problem. >> so important you're talking about this. boris? the justice department says a trooper's report on how migrants are being treated at the border is, quote, troubling. they're now assessing the situation at the southern border. details straight ahead. and really smart later i'm 70-ish. consider an aarp medicare supplement insurancee plan from unitedhealthcare. with this typepe of plan, you'll know upfront about how much your care costs. which makes planning your financial future easier. so call unitedhealthcare today to learn more about the only plans of their kind with the aarp name. and set yourself and your future self up with an aarp medicare supplement plan from unitedhealthcare.
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department said it is assessing the situation along the southern border amid reports that texas troopers were told to push migrants back into the rio grande river and ordered not to give them drinking water in scorching heat. cnn's prescilla alvarez is following these developments. the details from the troopers sent out in emails, they are eye-opening. >> they are. and it speaks to the injuries that some migrants have endured because of the actions of the texas governor. now i'm told now that the justice department is working with the department of homeland security and other agencies to assess the situation. this is significant. this is the first public acknowledgment by the doj they're looking into the situation. i've been talking to sources for months and they'll tell me there are internal discussions with doj offer a situation they were watching play out along the texas-mexico border and this is
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who now set up buoys in part of the river that as the potential of drowning risk for many migrants and now we are learning that there were some orders that troops were to push migrants abo -- back to mexico. and the white house has responded to this and calling it atrocious. take a listen. >> i saw these reports and one of the things that i've been very clear about this, that this governor has done over and over again is treated this situation that we're seeing at the border in an if inhumane way. it is atrocious, the actions that he decides to take. he takes this, instead of dealing with this issue in a way to get to a resolution and working together, he turns it into -- he turns it into a political stunt. >> now, i want to make clear, the doj is not vesting it. their assessing the situation. that could be the first tep toward an investigation. but for now, clearly it is escalated to the point where the
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if life imitates art, this next store yoi could get an oscar. a 54 australian fisherman and his dog were rescued after three months at sea. timothy was found with his dog bella in the eastern pacific more than 1200 miles from land. >> he was spotted by a tuna boat
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and a crew from that tuna boat brought him aboard. they spotted him at first from the helicopter. so they bring him on board and they give him medical attention and shattock said that he was abe to survive by eating raw fish. but he will probably take a break from the ocean for a while. >> i love being alone on the ocean. you know, and a lot of it is about the love of it. you know, the love of being there. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> probably not. >> this is like looking at a crystal ball. i said if tv didn't work out for me, i would get a boat and a dog and head out to the ocean. >> i'll keep track of you. better than he was kept track of. >> "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now

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