frustrated. when >> someone says something like this, we've put every available resource, everybody comes together, from state, local, federal. it is just a lot of work, it's frustrating to think that all of this has been done, and we can't find anything out. >> community took interest in what really happened. the chief says only carlee russell can tell the truth about what, indeed, happened to her. thank you for joining me, everyone, tonight on cnn prime time. i'm laura coates. cnn tonight with alison camerota starts right now. hey, alison. >> great to see you. >> nice to see you! >> good evening, everyone, i am alisyn camerota. welcome to cnn tonight. the special counsel's grand jury is expected to meet tomorrow to continue their work investigating donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. legal experts are keeping their eyes peeled for a possible

indictment. that would make trump's third criminal indictment. donald trump's former lawyer and fixer, michael cohen, is here with what team trump is doing tonight. plus, imagine being stuck on the tarmac in las vegas for hours in triple digit heat with an infant. tonight, i will talk to parents who just endured that. the strange tale of the u.s. army private who inexplicably made a run for it into north korea. tonight, i will talk to a woman who watched him do it. >> he's doing it for a tiktok. said something stupid like that, but he didn't stop. there were south korean, and they were soldiers around us. i heard one of the american soldiers [inaudible] run after him. he was going so fast, and we were so close to the border that he was gone by then. >> we will hear more from her later. let's begin with tomorrow's news tonight. the special counsel's gone jury is expected to meet a few hours

from now. well president trump be indicted for a third time? here to help us understand what's happening, we have jennifer rogers, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, and john miller, our chief line for smith and intelligence analyst. great to have you guys. jennifer, how likely is it that former president trump is indicted tomorrow? >> i don't know if you will be indicted tomorrow, but i don't think there's any reason to send him a target letter unless he will be indicted, and probably soon, so, tomorrow, next week, although as john and i were talking about, there were folks coming before the grand jury in the coming weeks. could be two or three weeks out. >> if you happen to know there are people who are still going to be going before the grand jury, so that means he would not be indicted before that, correct? >> there are witnesses who are under subpoena to that grand jury through mid august. so, i doubt we will see enigma and tomorrow, but the target letter, which is really, i mean, you may know better, but to me, it's unusual to send a target

letter and a schedule for when you want to come in to talk to the grand jury, kind of, at the same time, and on the same piece of paper. >> what does that tell you? they're not ready to indict? >> it actually -- i mean, we are reading smoke signals here, but they're saying, yes, you are a target, expect to be indicted is the clue. also, if you are going to say something in your defense, we are unveiling you that opportunity, but you have four days to tell us, which is interesting that the grand jury is going to be going, apparently, for more than a couple of weeks. >> jen, let's talk about the crimes, or possible charges that were mentioned in that letter, saying you could put it into layman's for us. the potential charges, conspiracy to commit anse against or to defraud the united states, deprivation of rights, and tampering with a witness. so, what do those tell us about the actual crimes donald trump might have committed? >> we still don't know, of

course, but the conspiracy against united states could be a wide ranging conspiracy. this is the way special counsel mueller charged the russian interference in 2016. it is basically interfering with actions of the united states government alike elections. this could be an attempt to conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election, and then they would just put in this evidence, all these different pieces, the different strands of the conspiracy. the deprivation of rights as likely depriving voters of their rights to have their votes counted. that looks to conspiracies as a whole, and the fake electors scheme, those people in those states where they were trying to overturn the vote. the witness tampering is the section that they used in a lot of the january 6th cases that is interfering with an act of congress. that is januy 6th storming the capitol charge. >> here are some of the other trump allies that the congressional house committee on january 6th felt should be referred, okay, focrinal charges to the doj. some of those we know, some of those we know less well. kenneth cheese bro who was an

attoho apparently one of the architects, the electors, fake electors plot, do either of you know who if they will be getting target letters? >> so far reporting is they don't receive them. yet five theory we will see if it bears fruit. the special counsel wants to move forward quickly the charges against donald trump because time is short before the next election. it maybe they want to charge him in fairly short order. they still may charge other people, but they might wait to do that in a separate proceeding. >> okay. >> there is this pressure which is there is this theoretical, a guideline, not a law, but, you know 60-day rule and they're supposed to say, as for on either side of that as they can -- >> before presidential election -- >> and election if you're going to charge someone who is running, or maybe running. you are trying to do the job of criminal justice while not affecting politics. this is a case where they are

all brushed together close. >> it's a tangled web. >> you've got to admire the beauty of this which we are talking about the theory of the mueller investigation into russian election interference in the first place, what you determined there was, which was run by an office building off to the corner called the i.r.a. internet reach search agency which is run by a guy named yevgeny prigozhin, who has all kinds of interesting new problems, not connected to that, but the cast of characters keeps circling around. >> this is a more tangled web than i was referring to a minute ago. thank you for pointing that out. >> the new york times is reporting about a new potential charges against donald trump. here is what they say, subpoenas issued by ith suggest he's been scrutinizing mr. trump's politiaction committee, save america p.a.c., it raises as much as $250 million telling donors the money was needed to fight election fraud, even as mr. trump had been told repeatedly there was no election fraud to backup those claims. sorry, no evidence to back up

those claims. what crime would that be? >> that would be defrauding the people who are contributing to that fund. >> is that wire fraud? >> just wire fraud. lying people to get their money 's fraud, one of the basic things prosecutors charge every day. >> that is -- that wasn't in the target letter? >> no, but it has been in play. there is reporting people going into the granddaddy to talk about, that and that's something that's been on the radar for a long time, but we haven't really seen action on it. it's a fairly simple charge if they have the evidence, we will see what they come up with. >> sources tell cnn that one of the attorneys are scrambling to figure out what evidence and what witnesses. how are they going to do that? >> most dependence don't even know anything about a case until afterwards charged. the fact they know anything at all through the witnesses that they've been paying their legal fees, and through reporting in the general six committee, it means for way ahead of the curve. they're going to have to do it like all defendants to, if they get their discovery, if they get canvas, they caucus, and think about what they do, and come up with their defenses. >> are they going to want to

know who is in there? yesterday, we were talking about who, from his inner circle, has testified in the grand jury, what did they say, and what is the difference between telling the truth and being a co-operator. the differences, if you're going to be charged with something, take somebody from that list we just said. is there a sealed, guilty plea with someone who has testified, pled guilty to something in return for leniency after the fact, who -- i mean, this is what the trump -- this is what the trump inner circle needs to know. is there somebody out there? >> what did mark meadows do? >> that's intriguing! thank you, both, very much, appreciate your expertise and all of. this here with us night, donald trump's former attorney, michael cohen. he is the author of revenge, how donald trump weaponized the u.s. department of justice against his critics, and michael is the host of the mea culpa polk -- principle of crisis axed. michael, good to see you. >> good to see, alison. >> you heard what our experts

have been saying this weekend, that is they believe a third indictment is imminent for donald trump. so you know what it's like to be a lawyer for donald trump. what is his team doing tonight? how is donald trump preparing for this possible indictment? >> he is a little experienced, so far, when it comes to indictments. obviously, it's not his first, nor is it his second. this will be his third. he certainly has a little experience. right now, i understand that donald is at bedminster, at the golf course, and there is a slew of the sycophantic followers and his acolytes letter surrounding him. right now, i think, what they are doing, they are basically telling him that everything is going to be okay. we are going to get this thing under control, just like we have everything else under control. they are really placating him, and the problem with that as he is beginning to buy it, and once the indictments come through, then he is going to

know all the charges that are being levied against him by jack smith. >> michael, are you surprised that other people, like we just put up on our graphic there, like rudy giuliani, have not gotten target letters? >> you know, the funny thing is, every time something like this s up, everybody starts to speculate. we all start putting in our two cents. oh, my god, how coul eastman, for god sakes, jeffrey clark, for that matter, or rudy, how is it possible that they have already received target letters? the answer is, we don't know. we don't know how jacks mitt's case is being set up. in the target letter itself, and we don't know what the indictment will look like it. >> michael, while all of this is happening, you have a case against donald trump, and the trump organization. as i understand it, the jury is being seated this week in this case, in manhattan supreme

court, and you are trying to get the trump organization to pay your legal fees for the past four years that add up to something like one point $3 million. do i have this right? >> not exactly. the answer is, yes, the jury has been panel, they have been chosen. this has to do with legal fees that were incurred from 2016 through 2017, and parts of 2018 when i was, obviously, acting at the direction of and for the benefit of the trump organization, including donald j trump. that cases going to trial on monday. for years, we filed that lawsuit in 2019 which should be a real indication to all of your viewers just how successful donald has become, or really how astute he has become at the delay tactics when it comes to a legal case.

i believe that is what, right now, the folks that are with him, steve bannon, i hear, is one of them, that they are all figuring out, how do we delay this? how do we delay this long enough that, if, in fact, i should win, as john had just previously said, that he will look to pardon himself, we'll, that works in the federal cases. it doesn't work in the state cases. meaning, the alvin bragg new york district attorney case, he cannot pardon himself. that is a state crime. the same thing will hold true for the georgia case, the fani willis georgia case. that too is a state crime. >> if he is indicted there. michael, look -- you know what it's like to be one of donald trump's attorneys. how hard is it for him to find good lawyers right now for all of these various cases? >> it's very difficult, and that's why he is surrounding himself with what we would probably have referred to as the dct.

these folks are far from the 18, let me put it that way. there's a reason why he can't get that, and the reason is he is an incredibly difficult client he doesn't listen to advice, he doesn't want your advice. he wants to tell you how to handle the case, despite the fact that he has no legal degree, and no legal training other than, of course, being involved in the multitude of legal cases over the course of his five decades of business. that doesn't make for a lawyer. on top of that, he doesn't pay. that is obviously part of the reason why i am taking him, after four years, and we are going to be before a jury. this is a real, serious problem. he doesn't want to listen to advice, he doesn't pay. in all fairness, as a lawyer, who needs him? >> i mean, you spell it out there, michael. how can these lawyers --

i mean, obviously, he does have some quality lawyers. we have, i think, elie honig knows some lawyers working with him right now. how do they get paid? do they ask for him to give them cash upfront? obviously, they are going to be doing a lot of work for him. >> yeah, if they were smart, they would get the entire thing up front, in advance, with a contingency that, if he pulls out, or they pull out, and for representation, that they get to keep the retainer. otherwise, it is going to be a nightmare. look, his m.o. is always the same. you don't pay a retainer, you fall behind in the bills, you keep the guy, you know, really tight, and you continue to fall behind the bills you pay a little bit, and that's the game he's been playing for, like i said, over five decades. >> michael, thank you very much for your perspective, always interesting to get it. we will be watching what happens next weekend, we will be watching what happens with

your case as well. >> yeah, letett that tomorrow there is a hearing in the donald trump versus michael cohen, the 500 million-dollar case that he brought against me, which is, obviously, a real issue for him. we will talk about that a another time, when we have more time to get into it. it's going to be interesting, especially after we get his acquisition. >> as you point, out there's a lot of stuff swirling. thank you so much for your time. >> good to see you. >> up next, the interesting strategy that one republican candidate is using to get donations.

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>> if there are additional indictments to come, this is a lot of weight for anybody to be carrying around their neck, as a general election candidate for president of the united states, or as a primary candidate. and i think, long term, these charges are a real problem for donald trump because, not the charges, because of the conduct. the conduct is the problem. >> with us to discuss this, and what the rest of the gop field is doing to get attention we have former lieutenant governor of georgia, jeff duncan. cnn senior political commentator, scott jennings. and cnn political analysts, -- great to have all of you guys. here okay, so, scott do you agree with governor christie that in the short term these indictments have allowed donald trump to fund-raise and get a lot of attention and say that he's being, you know, persecuted? but in the long term though? >> yes, i agree with most of that analysis actually. these previous indictments studies have, have consolidated

political support. they of rallying around donald trump, i assume that's what will happen. we don't know. we don't know what's in these indictments if they come. we don't know what the evidence is. there may be some bad stuff in there that we don't know about yet. which could be damaging. but, there obviously is half the republican party who wants to do trump again. and they see all of this, as trump said, as validation. the deep state are trying to stop me. this is about you. it's not about me. this is reinforcing to the people who love him. but on the general election, there is no question this is an albatross around his neck. and it's been an albatross or wrong the republican party tonight. look at the midterms. some of it had to do with trump picking those candidates in his views in action around january 6th. so i tend to agree with the analysis. >> do either of you see it differently? the short term gain of these indictments, a long term that. >> this is a short term sugar high. another short term sugar high. but this makes the math problem even harder. i mean we can talk around circles, act like the primaries most important election.

but it's not. it's the general. and this makes it even tougher to win the general. there's not a single person in the middle, which by the, what you need to win in the middle for gonna win the white house. not a single person says, we got indicted. i think i'm going to change my mind, not vote for joe biden. i'm going to vote for donald trump. >> let's talk about what some of the rest of the gop field is doing. so, north dakota governor, doug burgum is doing something interesting in terms of fundraising. he announced today that he has met the fundraising requirement to make the debate stage next month. so the first gop debate happening next month, they have to have a polling, benchmark that they have to hit as well as a fundraising. he has hit the fundraising and he's done it using this interesting approach. if you give us campaign comments $1. he'll give you a 20-dollar gift card. i'm not sure how that math works but is that called buying your support? >> it sounds like $19 to me. look, you could say it's degrading. and i get that. on the other hand, i think part

of a lesson of candidates like rfk, candidates like bernie sanders, salami, whose pledge not to take super pac money is that there is a substantial number of voters out there that are hungry for candidates that can credibly say, i am not taking money from industry. i am not bought by big pharma, i'm not bought by big oil. so, candidates are coming with these clever and somewhat weird ways to get money. but there's a lot of voters out there that are thinking to themselves, given the choice between the candidate that spot by big pharma and the candidates that is bought with this weird sort of give card thing, i'll take the latter. >> because he's actually not being bought, he is buying the voters, the support. here's how he explains it. let me play for you how he explains why that math and that approach works. >> when you're trying to acquire customers, you put a great product out there and then you say, hey, the product, we're going to offered for x price, it's a sale price. people buy. you get repeat composters.

we know the people that don't need to assault me continue to donate. because what they see, they're going to like, and they're gonna continue to support us. and so this is about a smart strategy, it's about an entrepreneur with a business attitude, and this is what we need. >> what do you think? >> look, he's putting the best possible face on trying to accommodate these rnc rules, and ultimately i think it's going to cost him about 800 grand to do all of this. he's a separate guy. he's financing his own campaign. he's a multi millionaire. so we now know what it's worth to get the republican debate. you, know a few hundred thousand dollars. and that's probably true. because how else would you get the kind of attention that you would need in order to break out into the speed? >> i don't love, it i do think it's degrading. i don't love the rules that have been set up around these debates but the basketball rim is ten feet high, that's what you got to should. on >> wall, the more i hear about governor burgum, the more i'm impressed, the more i understand his business background as an entrepreneur. this is super creative. and good for him, right? if it's what within the rules, good for him. he's going to try to get this name i.d. thing built up but i

will say that it's much better than lying to get support like donald trump's doing. >> let's look at the polls in new hampshire, so here is the latest poll this is done by the university of new hampshire. and you' s where the whole trump's saw the top., donald buhe has 37% of republican voters. so that means that coleman did 63% are looking around elsewhere. that's interesting. that's a different way to see this than we usually see, how people usually describe him as the faraway front runner. but in new hampshire, them at this different. >> well, you know, i think that he is not in a strong bargaining position as he was even a year ago. partly because of the indictment. partly because people see how the trump endorsed candidates didn't do so well in the midterms. so, you know, there are signs of his flagging popularity among the gop and i think, that said, you always have to add the caveat. it's still very early days.

if you go back to 2003, in this -- or 2007, the front runner at this time was not ended up winning. so it's still early days. >> desantis and tim scott is number three. >> yes, it's amazing about that charges that 37%, it's not like a low number until you realize it's more than enough to win. and that is what's protecting him. yes, a lot of republicans don't want to do it again. but the fragmentation, what i'm looking, for coming out of i'd a what is the goal between two and three. if trump wins, if somebody gets close, or if somebody beats trump, what is the next person down? because the quicker this thing collapses into a tow person, race that's really the only scenario that i think would frighten donald trump's campaign team. if this thing stays multi candidate for three or four states it is hugely protective for him as you could see from the new hampshire numbers. >> but do you see? >> the encouraging part for me, is two thirds of republicans in new hampshire want to move forward. they don't want to talk about 2020. they want somebody different than donald trump. i think tim scott shows up in a unique spot and is probably the most well-rounded republican

candidates. he's got a lot going on. and he's not angry. he's conservative but not angry. and i think that's going to plant will form. and east about to get $40 million in terms of ads from is -- >> that too. >> and that's gonna really help him. not a lot of people know tim scott, or maybe the only just heard a little bit about him. he's got the most expiring story in the field. this kind of ad campaign for his kind of a candidacy. he is not terribly well defined, among a lot of folks, i think now you're going to see it have a big impact on him. >> that reminds me, let me show you the favorability poll. because here's the new hampshire are among primary. gop voters, he's number one. tim scott is the most favor -- is the favorable candidate with so somehow, they already have that message. >> well, there's still a lot of voters that don't, nationally, know tim scott. an ad campaign like they're plotting, to know tim scott is to love tim scott if you're republican. he has very low and favorites as well. he's going to be a lobe. >> think about the scenario, donald trump melt away into the

sunset. you've got tim scott and kristen noon on the ticket. i could see us absolutely running laps around joe biden. >> -- ? >> we've got the first a big coming up soon. and i think one thing we might notice is there's certain of these candidates are more impressive in the kind of competitive debate format. personally, i would list ramaswamy, desantis and kristi, in terms of people that are just entertaining a debate form. and so when we see the debates happening, we might see those people having a bump in the numbers, relative to the less entertaining on camera candidates. >> really interesting. thank you for the analysis. great to see you guys. so, an american soldier was on a tour of the dmz in south korea when all of a sudden he sprinted into north korea. next, i'll speak with a woman who was on that tour who watched him do it.

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only at el pollo loco. a deadly heat wave is baking millions of americans right now. more than 1500 record high temperatures have been broken this month. so, just imagine being stuck on a plane, on the tarmac for hours in las vegas, in triple digit heat with a one year old baby. that's what happened to my next guest as they were trying to get home from a family reunion on monday. joining me now is touch enough and johnson robinson. guys, thank you so much for being here, your ordeal sounds so difficult. so, you are flying from las vegas to atlanta on monday, your flight was delayed three hours, you were forced to wait on the plane in las vegas. why couldn't they have their

air conditioning on? it was a triple degrees. it was 110 or 111 in las vegas. did they tell you why there was no air conditioning? >> it was something on, and it was something running. we were at the front of the plane in comfort and the back of the plane was much hotter than the front. and as some of the passengers were getting off the plane and were like it's much cooler up here, i have been in a back of the plane before. and it is always hotter in the back of the plane. >> yeah. >> we were on to them. >> yes, for three hours, what was the situation on the plane? what was happening? what did they tell you? >> ideally you're supposed to get on the plane, leave the bridge and within minutes be in the air. the cabin can't cool as efficient on the ground as it is in the air. but something happened that was

off from the beginning. they didn't have enough flight attendants, they had to ask for people to volunteer. ask for flight attendants that were in the airport to volunteer to come to our flight. and that ran well over our departure time. so it ended up being that we lost our place in line, i think to take off which put us on the tarmac for hours. >> and for the people who were in the back of the plane, were people getting sick, what was happening? >> oh, yes. >> like i said, we were at the front of the plane but then we saw one of the flight attendants who ran to the front and jumped on the phone and she started talking to the pilot or are we guess and all of a sudden, you know, she said someone was sick in the back and she said it was a couple of

people. and they had to bring them off the plane. but during that process, when they were bringing them up to the front and they had to seat them down because they could barely walk like -- >> yes, we were already hours into waiting to take off. the captain kept us informed. he would say that we were five planes behind. before takeoff. but by that time the cabin was pretty warm, i imagine it was much hotter in the back and people were restless and we got word that people got sick, there was a medical emergency he came on and said that at this point we are going to go ahead and go back to the gate and the plane because that's the procedure. so at that point we just knew that we weren't going home anytime soon. >> and when they got them to

the front of the plane and they finally let them off they said that anyone that wants to get off the plane, you could go ahead and get off the plane but you will not be able to get back on in the next flight doesn't leave until friday. >> oh my gosh. >> so we were looking at each other like we were all ready to go home. and we were just going to have to wait. but then that turned into okay, we are letting you guys off. >> yes, that's much of a catch to say that everybody squelching, people are getting sick but you are not going to get home until the end of the week. and that's crazy. i want to read what delta has to say. they apologize to the statement, they said wepologize for the experience our customers had from las vegas to atlanta on july 17th. whh ultimately resulted in the flight cancellation, stilted teams are looking into the temperatures inside of the -- for our people and the first

responders at harry reid international. so quickly guys i'm almost out of time but how is the baby and did you get any competition from delta. >> so you got 200 miles 20,000 miles -- and of $60 -- >> they just sent an email they're going to be fun as for the flight. and they did. but for the hotel, the baby is doing very well and he took it like a champ. >> well they could've told us at earliest so we couldn't enjoy the hotel a little bit more longer and they're waiting until 9:00 but we wanted to add that the staff on the flight they did really well they did their job and we don't want to bash them or anything like that so the timeframe was just too long and about to of course it's inhumane. and it's much of --

glad the baby is okay. glad you got off the plane. great talking to you. >> thank you so much. have a nice night. >> you too. and next the strange tale of the u.s. army private who suddenly made a run for it into north korea. i'll talk to a woman who sought happen. ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ ( ♪ ) ( ♪ ) ( ♪ ) -awww. -awww. -awww. -nope. ( ♪ ) constant contact delivers the marketing tools your small business needs to keep up, excel, and grow. constant contact. helping the small stand tall.

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we have new details about the u.s. soldier who ran across the border into north korea. this is 23 year old, travis king. you're going to be able to see him. he's in the black t-shirt and standing among tourists. shortly before bolting past the dmz into terror --

in kim jong-un's government. joining me now is sarah leslie, a tourist from new zealand who was on that same tour as travis king. sarah, thank you so much for being here. i know that you have said that we did not see anything unusual, without travis kings behavior. during the tour. so what happens when you got to the dmz? >> so we had been on an all day tour which starts outside the dmz so it's obviously the four kilometer strap that goes west across the peninsula between the two korean. and we spent the morning outside of the dmz and looking at some sites inside the dmz. so we had to look at a tunnel that the north koreans had dug under the border which was discovered by the south in the 1970s, we looked at that and we had a high advantage point when we look down. >> yes, but how was he acting? what was he doing? or was the first time that you saw anything strange when he started running?

>> yes, so that's definitely the first time i saw anything strange, i recognized him and i obviously didn't know his name whether he was a soldier anything like that but there were 40 or so people and recognized people by side from the second or third time we saw them. i had noticed that when he seemed to be alone, he wasn't talking to many other people, and i didn't think that was really strange because you're obviously not watching one person all the time. the only thing i noticed about him is that he bought a souvenir head, and it wasn't a lot of souvenir stores. >> so when he bolted from the group, and ran across the border, what happened? how did everyone react and did you see what happened to him on the other side? >> so, no, i didn't everybody was just taking photos and not really doing a lot we were waiting for further instructions from the american soldiers who were running the

tour. i suddenly noticed him running really fast into my line of vision into the north korean side. i first thought it was some kind of tiktok stunt. i thought it was incredibly stupid. and then about a second after i noticed one of the americans yelled, stop that guy! and all the rest of the american soldiers in the south korean soldiers who were escorting us run after him. but by that stage he was going so fast, we were so close to the border and he disappeared out of sight. they had three buildings, right on the border trade between northern and south korea. and he ran between two of those. so it was over pretty quickly. i didn't see what happened on the other side. he was out of my line of sight very quickly. >> i don't know if you had a chance to read the reports about him. but he is a private in the army, he had faced assault charges in south korea. he was scheduled to be removed from the military, when he landed back in texas as he was scheduled this week.

does any of it make any more sense to you now that you've heard his background? >> not really. i was very surprised to see that he was a soldier. and from reading the reports, i thought that he had been serving in korea at the time. so i would've expected that he would've known a little bit more about north korea and the situations that they are in. and to me, it made it all the more surprising that he would want to go to a place like that. you, know from his knowledge. and also from everything we had been told on the tour. i want to read that he was having disciplinary actions, sorry, back in the u.s. that didn't really make any sense to me and you know i actually have been in an american prison for a long time and -- >> yes, well, sarah leslie, thank you very much for giving us your eye witness account and you're right, it is very mystifying what happened, obviously there's a lot more to the story. we really appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> and we'll be right back.

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