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then i under 60, but the special got no and without them. kaitlan collins joins us with the latest reporting. also tonight, the justice department investigating what it calls, troubling reports on texas border authorities allegedly pushing migrants back into the rio grande and denying them water. we'll have a live report from the southern border and later knew details about what
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motivated a u.s. army private to race across the dmz into north korea. the good evening, thank you for joining, us a lot to get to tonight, we begin with behind the scenes drama unfolding as the former president faces a possible in as many months. the grand jury hearing the evidence the case is expected to meet tomorrow, and indictment if there is one key come at that. sources tell cnn the 2020 election case seems to be bigger than trump's legal legal team may have been expecting, in part because of the wide scope of the charges mentioned in the target letter the former president received. their deprivation of rights, conspiracy to commit an advancement of united states, and tampering with a witness. that's according to unnamed sources who spoke to multiple new news outlets including the wall street journal. we should note these are titles from the u.s. criminal code. they can cover a broad range of crimes. we can dig into those charges in a moment. but first, at nine pm, kaitlan collins joins us. what more have you learned? >> i was just told, as a few
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hours ago, they still have not formally responded to the letter. obviously, the point of this letter, the intention of, it is headed for its trumpy ability to go before the grand jury and make his case. if he isn't gonna testify before just apartment manual basically says you should inform dam. you don't have to, but you should inform them. it's unlikely he's going to do that. that would be a major reversal, if he does. they still haven't formally responded. they may never respond. they may let the clock run out until mid last night or tomorrow night. their team was not expecting to get this letter on sunday night, as they did, and it gave them four days. i have asked several of them,
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why four days? do you have a sense of why that's the timeline. none of them have any clear indication of this but i do think what we should note is that when trump notify the world yesterday that he had gotten it it was because he was now going to report, it so they went ahead and essentially made their news here. >> yesterday you were reporting that they were trying to call around to find out if anyone had received a target letter. no one had, according to them at that point. anyone any word on anyone else? >> i checked with him today. that is something that it has mystified them. they thought that it would least be in conjunction with others and that all these could happen at the same time. they had an indication trump might get a target letter but they weren't sure what it would look like and they definitely didn't think he'd be the only one. they don't think ultimately he will be the only one they. think the others, some of them at least will also get target letters here. but so far out of the calls they have made, and the calls that we have made, we have not found another person. it hasn't happened. it is interesting that people he was speaking with and plotting these fake electors schemes and what was happening with, haven't gotten one yet. >> and they are already fundraising all of this, i assume? >> multiple times. he did it within minutes of alerting the world yesterday that he got this. i was just looking, though, and obviously these fundraising emails are always kind of borderline crazy when you look at them. but i was just looking through one that he sent out just a few
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moments ago, and he was essentially saying, to his supporters, and i am quoting from the fund raising email that trump sent out, that his critics are waiting like vultures, circling the skies, waiting hoping to use our injustice and misfortune for their own personal gain. it is essentially trying to argue, this is a political prosecution that is likely going to happen. he thinks he's going to be indicted in a matter of days here. and they are trying to fund-raise. as you note, of course, this fundraising goes two paths, one being used to pay his legal fees, and has been for sometime now. so in addition to essentially saying this argument that this was an attack on just trump but paying his attorney to fight these charges. >> the grand jury's meeting tomorrow. what's next for them? what do we expect? >> they're hearing from a personal aide of his -- >> who has testified? >> he's testifying twice. he's already testified but he's going for a third time and it could potentially signal the end of what is focused on trump. everyone's reading the tea leaves. here everyone included here is
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trump's legal team. they haven't spoken to jack smith's team about this indictment as of recently. so it's a lot of questions of when that grand jury is going to be done. i should note, that grandeur-y is still talking to people, bernie -- former new york city police commissioner, i talked to his attorney last night and he said jack smith wants to talk to his client but they haven't set a date yet so he is still going in, we don't know when. >> she'll be back at 9:00 with the source. you can see caitlin collins at 9:00. i'm joined now by cnn analyst, legal analyst, norm eisen who served as special counsel house democrats during the former presidents purse first impeachment, and george conway, contributor to the washington post. >> george, i want to start with cnn reporting the trump team is looking for evidence or witnesses that they are unaware of that may been cooperating or the special counsel may have because the potential charges listed in the target letter suggest to them a bigger case
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against trump than they were expecting. does that surprise you? >> it doesn't surprise me that there would be a big case brought against donald trump. i think that's the way this whole investigation has been pointed. that's direction it has been pointed out for a long time, and i think his conduct is critical in any number of ways in regard to the incitement of the insurrection but more importantly i think they're gonna focus on the electors that in tempted to influence electors and mike pence. i don't think that it is surprising that there is such a big case. they may be caught off guard in terms of the timing. they may have thought, oh, fani willis, they expected her to go first for a long time, and they didn't expect mr. smith to go. so quickly. particularly after the work he has done in the mar-a-lago documents investigation. but apparently he is ready to go. it certainly sounds that way. >> norma, you cowrote a letter assessing the federal charges the federal counsel could bring against the former president. how does your assessment
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matchup with the three statues that's target redder letter cites that trump could be charged with? deprivation of rights, conspiracy to defraud the united states and tampering with a witness? >> anderson, it lines up pretty tightly. you have the fake electoral certificate. that's a conspiracy against the united states. because it's a fraud when one candidate who wins the presidency and the other candidate tries to stay in power and prevent that person from taking office. then you have what is referred to in the latter as threatening a witness, but i think that is a reference to 18 usc 15 12, that's the official caption, but subsection c of that is interfering with an official proceeding. i think that's what's being
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targeted there and we wrote about that in our mammal and that of course is act to if you will when donald trump took those fake electoral certificates and tried to use them in early january to pressure mike pence not to do his duty and then finally you have a conspiracy to affect civil rights or privileges. that's what we talked about as act three. we considered, that's the insurrection. that's the violence, when all else failed. we looked at that through the lens of the insurrection act. but section 2:41 or 2:42 of 18 usc is a good fit also because when donald trump unleashed the violence against by pence, against congress, who is interfering with their rights and privileges to do their job jarry six. illiteracy was interfering with the right of every american, because he was trying to stop the recognition of the rightful president. so it is not really a surprise, the direction that jackson it is going. >> georgia, there have been someone who thought there was
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an insurrection charge. i spoke to elie honig on the program last night said he didn't think the special counsel needed the drama of insurrection charge, that it was perhaps a bridge too far for myths taste only doesn't need to prove that trump is trying to overthrow the government. do you agree? >> i don't think it's a business area to bring insurrection case as such, but i think the statutes that norm and his terrific volume that he and his colleagues prepared on the various statutory possibilities here is that absolutely right. you could fridays by submitting false information, false certificates, and you can also obstruct the congressional proceeding through violence or fraud. i think it's important to take a step back here and just remember, there are just dozens and dozens of possible state and federal crimes at issue here. in the private sector or the public sector, if you engage in
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lying or violence, but particularly here the lying, and encourage people to sign false documents, chilling false representations, and you know that they are false, there are usually any number of statues that can be used. >> norma, how soon do you think a possible indictment could come? >> it could be as soon as this week. grandeur, of course, will have to vote on the charges. you'll be under seal, originally. if the special counsel follows his prior procedures of giving every six courtesy to a former president united states, he will probably give the defendant notice and then go to court to unseal the indictment. could be this week, could be next week. donald trump may, as he has done before, rushed to put his own spin on it before the indictment is unsealed, before smith can speak. we know that the former president and his lawyer tried to take any advantage. >> george, cnn is reporting also the trump team has not identified anyone else received
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a target letter, according to sources. i'm wondering where you what you read into that. doesn't mean other top associates aren't being charged? do you think there are other charges that have been revealed yet? and also is there somebody cooperating? is a mark meadows, who kind of disappeared from the scene, is he perhaps cooperating? >> i think it's difficult to read that. we don't know whether target letters went out to people in their just keeping their mouth shut. we don't know whether or not it
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could be some people could get charged. there may not be a target letter. there are circumstances where prosecutors do that. i defer to former federal prosecutors to talk to about that. i also think there's a last possibility, to me, has always been the most intriguing, which is, are there people who are cooperating? we saw the documents case, that there is basically only person who didn't end up cooperating in some way, which was walt nauta. and we have seen some strange quietness from, for example, mark meadows. i just have the feeling something is going on there. he is someone who ought to be every bit as exposed as donald trump, yet he has been so quiet and it seems like there is something up with him. well >> it would be intriguing to. see george conway, thank, you norm eisen as well. i'm joined now for a reaction from the charges by someone who was badly hurt trying to defend the u.s. capital and those in it, michael fanone, former washington d. c. police officer. michael, good to have you on the program. this is obviously deeply personal for you and for so many of the law enforcement personnel who were there that day, risking their lives. i'm wondering what you make of what we have seen in the last day or so in terms of these charges or potential charges.
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>> what better late than never. i'm grateful for the commitment of the members of the department of justice to pursue justice in this case and seek what appears to be an indictment against the former president. what >> a lot of congressional publications as you know are using line that this is the weaponization of the justice department. earlier today, kevin mccarthy was pressed by cnn if you would expect the dull results of the special counsel's investigation. i want to play what he said. what >> was i don't see how he could be found criminally responsible. what criminal activity did he do? he told people to be peaceful. >> that's the same kevin mccarthy who right after january 6th said that the former president bears responsibility for the attack, and then changed his mind weeks
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later. >> yeah. it has become a national disgrace, then we have so many elected members of our government that seem incapable of acting in the best interests of our country. kevin mccarthy, he is at the forefront of that group. >> it doesn't surprise you, though. i remember you writing in your book about a meeting you are at with kevin mccarthy. you are not as surprised by the way he is playing this. >> i wasn't naive prior to january 6th, like many americans. but if there is one fact that has been solidified in my mind it is that our politicians are full of schitt and at this point in time the republican party seems to be winning the race with that regard. >> well i know you're not an attorney. the three charges were mentioned, potential charges were mentioned in this letter, in that the former president received, inciting an
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insurrection was not one of them. it was deprivation of, rights conspiracy to defraud united states, champion with witness, and a lot of potential crimes within those descriptions. those are just the kind of, the headlines for each of the statutes. there is not, in terms of potential indictment, a charge for inciting as an insurrection. does that matter to you? >> now. i'm very comfortable with these charges. i'm somebody who has followed this case very closely. in addition to my participation in the defense of the capitol on january six, i attended every one of the select committee's hearings but if there is one thing i do know, it's that no one knows this case better than jack smith and the prosecutors on his team. far better than me. and i want to read for you a 2017 doj memorandum which pretty much sums up, i think,
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why these charges were selected and what their motivations are. it is a core principle that prosecutors should charge and pursue the most serious, readily approvable offenses. this policy affirms our responsibility to enforce the law, it's moral and just, and it produces consistency. i have had many arguments with prosecutors over the course of my 20 year career. but i never questioned their commitment, and i never questioned their oath to the constitution. and going back to republican lawmakers, we have a whole host of republicans running for president, and it seems to escape them, the ability to simply comment on the trump pending indictment with a statement that our justice system is not perfect, but it is damaging air perfect, and
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the best in the world. and we should trust the process, and trust the career prosecutors at the department of justice who served under a variety of administrations, both republican and democrat, and whose oath is to the constitution, and to pursue justice. well >> michael fanone, i appreciate you being with us tonight. >> thank you. >> the republicans who were condemning these charges on capitol hill, are doing so without knowing what exactly the charges might be. none of us know exactly what the charges might be. if they are going to be charges at all. we will speak next to one of the few republican candidates michael phenone's -- for president has repeatedly criticize the former president, former governor asa hutchison. and later, iraq's republican hearing today trying to prove the hunter biden criminal case was mishandled. the question is, did the testimony move the needle? we have details, ahead. ...with smarter, more efficient routes...
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and public servants? why do you think so many who are opening for the republican nomination for president are saying we trust the process, we trust the department of justice to do their job? >> well, first of all, i appreciate the officers service and his sacrifice for our country. wherever you look at what republicans are saying, absolutely, we cannot dismiss the seriousness of the allegations and i have said repeatedly that when it comes to january 6th and the attack on the capitol, donald trump is morally responsible. now there is another question as to whether he is criminally responsible, and of course we need to wait until we see exactly the charges. we need to see this play out.
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but we should not be dismissed and we should not undermine the rule of law. that is probably the most troubling thing about the continued comments of donald trump, that it serves not just simply to protect himself but he makes fun of the system of justice in our country that is the world's greatest. it's not perfect. it's made up of humans. but at the same time, it served us well and everything he has done has undermined that rule of law and confidence in our law enforcement, in the fbi, and those that carry out really incredibly difficult duties. and so that's why this week i announced my reform of federal law enforcement, showing support for them, but at the same time trying to narrow the mission of the fbi to provide more focus and accountability. this is the right way to
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approach. it when you see an error, let's fix. it at the same time, let's make sure we support law enforcement, we support the department of justice, and our system of laws in this country. what needs fixing, let's fix. but this constant criticism of our system really undermines our democracy in this country. >> speaker kevin mccarthy's initial response yesterday to the letter that the former president received was essentially saying that this was the weaponization of the doj, the president biden saw the poll numbers of former president going up, and weaponize the doj against him. do you believe the doj has been weaponized against the former president? >> i have been a federal prosecutor, and i know the independents of the u.s. attorneys and their decision-making as to what charges are brought. in this case, you have a special prosecutor. that even has a higher level of independents. and so i don't know of any specific proof that they have been shaped as to the judgments that they make. and you can you can criticize
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jack smith that he's made the wrong judgment, but i don't see right now any evidence that it has he has been improperly influenced. we have to look at the facts. when you think about the decision jack smith half had to make, whenever you have, literally, hundreds of participants in that attack being held accountable and criminally prosecuted, and if you see evidence that the former president is responsible for bringing down there and encouraging the attack on the capital, then you are in a very difficult position as a prosecutor, when you make the decisions where they're to
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bring those charges are not. we should not underestimate the challenge of this eye. think this is kevin mccarthy's point, that you have an element of speech here, of a candidate addressing a rally. and we've seen from democrats and republicans that kind of speech gets fiery sometimes. and through the history of our country. so this is a challenge that any prosecutor has to meet, but obviously jacks mitt has done his homework. he has the evidence that he feels comfortable with. and let's see it as a -- the indictment as to exactly what those charges are. >> i want to play a clip for when you point it turning points action conference, very pro trump organization in west
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palm beach, florida, on sunday, i just want to play this for our viewers. >> blue! boo! boo! >> for people to distinguish essential and nonessential [crowd chanting] >> how difficult difficult is it for you to get your message to breakthrough in that audience. but i don't know if that symbolic, but when you are out there, how difficult do you think it is right now for you to get your message through when there is that kind of support from the former presidents backers and supporters?
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>> it is difficult in that environment. but overall when i go to iowa, new hampshire, a very receptive message to my consistent conservative message and history as well as my vision for this country as to how we can lead again, how we can have a pro growth energy policy, how we can control federal spending, these are conservative principles. they are very well received. at this turning point conference i want to emphasize that while it was difficult, i did get my message out. what was wonderful is that the young people who were there were very well behaved. it was the adults who didn't set the right example. i want to give heads off to the young people there and really it was well received. i was glad for that opportunity to speak to them, and hopefully inspire them. >> i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. great to be with you, anderson. >> coming up next, i was hearing on the allegations against hunter biden descending into a lot of chaos. details on what set it off. ♪ i have type 2 diabetes, ♪ ♪ but i manage it well. ♪ ♪ it's a little pill with a big story to tell. ♪ ♪ i take once-daily jardiance, ♪ ♪ at each day's staaart. ♪ ♪ as time went on it was easy to seee ♪ ♪ i'm lowering my a1c. ♪ jardiance works 24/7 in your body to flush out some sugar! and for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, jardiance can lower the risk of cardiovascular death, too.
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dividing the north and the south. this is a photo she took during that tour, you can see the back of kings head, he is wearing a black, at shirt, standing with the colors. the 23-year-old was supposed to head back to the u.s. this weekend face disciplinary action from the u.s. military force appeared in front. and now private kings in the custody of north korea's regime. will ripley joins us from the near the unification bridge, not far from the korean militarized zone. well, good to see, you there are new details from a witness i understand who was in that tour group, the king was traveling, with what have you learned? >> yeah, she is a tourist from new zealand. there were about 40 people who are on that tour group, and they would have had to pass by his unification bridge, which is where we are standing right now. this is actually the closest that we are allowed to get because all tours have been suspended. but on the day that this happened, king and the other tourists, they were on the bus and they passed by this checkpoint here, this is the gateway to unification. they keep driving past all of this barbed wire, these
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checkpoints, and they get to this joint security area. less than five miles down the road there. now an order for him to actually get out of the bus and get into this highly sensitive area, he was on a passenger manifest that would have been approved by the node nations command here. apparently that manifest much of it arrived, they were -- even though he had to be on a flight out for disciplinary action back to the united states in texas, after serving almost 50 days in a detention facility here in south korea. and then what happened next was pretty fast, according to the tourist. the tourist from new zealand who told us what happened. >> someone ran close to me, very fast. and i thought, what is going on? i don't think anyone who was
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saying what i want to go to north korea. so i assumed it was come some kind of stance to run to the north korean border fence and have somebody film it or something like that. a couple of seconds after, after i saw, him that's when the soldiers shattered and started running after him. >> now, the officers that were there did try to get him, but there were no shots fired, which is very different, anderson, from when people try to come from the north into the south in that same area. there actually was a soldier from north korea that successfully made the crossing, but his colleagues in north korea opened fire on him, and he was seriously injured before they successfully retrieved him here in the south. we don't know exactly where private king is, now he was whisked away in north korean van, and the north koreans have not had any, at least publicly, any contact with the united states. they don't have any open lines of communications right now. we are going to have a lot of questions for him about his military service here in south korea, and it could be quite some time, analysts say, before we even know what his status is, frankly.
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>> and what more do we know about what may have prompted him to do this? >> well, he was facing, as i, say disciplinary action in texas, he was going to be basically kicked out of the army after getting into an assault. some sort of assault charge here in south korea that had him serving almost 50 days in a detention center, it was described as he was actually doing labor here in south korea. whether he felt that the future in the united states was bleak enough that he wanted to book this tour and try his luck in north korea, there have been other u.s. service members who have defected to north korea, but they we are talking about more than 40 years since the last case, most of those other storms that actually stay in north korea with the exception of one of them, where about half a dozen cases in total, some of them turned up on north korean movies, others had their sons turnip and north korean propaganda. even in recent years. ♪ the thought of getting screened ♪ ♪ for colon cancer made me queasy. ♪ ♪ but now i've found a way that's right for me. ♪ ♪ feels more easy. ♪ ♪ my doc and i agreed. ♪
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different in the value of having an american in north korea for propaganda purposes isn't what it used to, be anderson. so we really just have to wait and see what happens in this case. >> well, really thanks so much, the breaking news now from ukraine, a third night, russia has been boarding the for today vote does it mean for the country. this video just in, you see ukrainian air defense revealing the russian air attack, alex marquardt is in odessa tonight, joins us now. what do you and your team, what have you been hearing. >> anderson, this has been an extremely intense night of attacks on the city. and that is saying something. after what we saw last night. just a staggering attack but the mayor said today was the worst in the city -- since the war. the city is complete blackout, anderson, there is not a single
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light in these buildings that is likely a punitive measure, i am also keeping my voices down, we can see a spotlight up in the sky, presumably searching for drones. it is quiet right now. this is a rare moment of quiet in -- if it continues, an hour and 45 minutes, pressure does appear to have stepped things, up in the east in terms of the weapons that they used tonight. we know that at least eight long range supersonic strategic bombers took flight. they are armed with -- including the -- console, it has a one ton warhead. we have seen all kinds o f explosions, we have seen intercepting, rockets interceptor rockets flying up into the sky. very notably, anderson, we know that these drones have been attacking this city over the past three days. but tonight we could hear them, you could hear the wearing
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engine, it sounds like a very large mosquito, and that speaks to how close they came. in terms of the destruction, that we don't know rex now. after last night's attack, there was significant destruction in the port. that presumably is one of the main targets, if not the main target for the russians. we did hear president zelenskyy earlier today accusing russian russia of going after the green infrastructure, after russia pulled out of that deal. anderson, this city is, it's knows attacks well. it has come under all kinds of attacks since the beginning of the war. but the fact that this has gone on now three nights in a row, russia is sending a very strong message here, anderson. >> alex, thank you, be careful. tonight there is new green video with four lightning that's maybe a sign of life for wagner boss if guinea prigozhin. this is the, video was posted
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on telegram today. it appears to show prigozhin reading his fighters in belarus. it may be the first video of him in public since leading the failed rebellion against the kremlin last month. that was the last video we had seen him, leaving rostov-on-don. cnn's nick paton walsh joins us now with more. what do we know about this video, about this alleged citing? >> yeah, it's metadata, if indeed that metadata is authentic on the telegram channel that has been released. to suggest that it may have been filmed around dust late tuesday. so yesterday. your time. it appears to be corroborated to some degree by geolocation work done by cnn against video filmed on the ground from one of the camps, which belarus put aside for wagner fighters. under this deal which was hatched by belarusian president alexander lukashenko, essentially to get prigozhin to turn his forces around on the way to moscow, and between him and putin. so suggestions from that video that there may be some
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authenticity behind it. but at the same time as, well that limits over the last 72 hours appeared to show a little bit vehicles in that same area as well. the balance -- leading towards this being, maybe the first time we have seen yevgeny prigozhin in public for a whole 25 days, since the end of that failed to me, when he appeared in the back of an ice uv in the -- >> also spoke with the head of britain's foreign intelligence service, what was taken to happen between prigozhin and putin last month? >> yeah, startling to hear the kind of candor from -- the head of mi6. giving a rare speech in prague, in which i think essentially he confirmed for the first time that western intelligence believed that what we saw in public from the kremlin was also what was happening behind closed doors in private. and that is of course important to point out, because so much of what here what the kremlin is essentially smoke and mirrors and deception.
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it seems really that the chaos we saw on the surface was the real deal. but he went also to talk about how putin really showed pretty strong weakness when it came down to what he referred to as cutting a deal to save his own skin. and he also talks about exactly how putin had flipped over prigozhin during that particular weekend at the end of june. here is what he had to say. >> if you look at putin's behaviors on that day, prigozhin started off, i think, as a traitor at breakfast, he had been pardoned by supper, and then a few days later, he was invited 40. so is there something that even the chief of mi6 finds a little bit difficult to try and interpret in terms of who is in and who is out? >> loving, i think in this rare public appearance, speaking on the record about these confidential assessments by western intelligence, there was
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a sense of persistent folder meant about what it happened around the kremlin during that period of time. hard even for them to always analyze given the depth of information, but they often have available to them. but he used this moment here in prague i think to emphasize the weakness of those around putin and make an abnormal appeal, essentially to say to those disaffected russians, parts of the elite, bring your secrets to mi6, british intelligence, spy for the west. now that is not something you often hear being said in public. but i think it shows that they see this as a very different, unprecedented moment for the caroline. and it was startling i think to see that there wasn't some complex private explanation of what had been happening inside the kremlin during that period
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of time. it's really was just as chaotic as it seemed on the surface and their interpretation, anderson. >> so interesting to hear from him, nick paton walsh, thank you, coming up next, a report from texas where new floating barriers on the rio grande is raising concern on both sides of the southern border. governor abbott says it will deter the illegal migrants, the question is is illegal? more on that ahead.
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i think speaking on the record about this for western intelligence there was a sense of bewilderment about what had happened around the kremlin during that period of time. aren't even for them to analyze given the depth of information, that they often have available to them. but i use this moment here to emphasize the weakness of those around putin. and they cut out normal appeal. essentially to say, for those disaffected russians and part of the elites to bring your secrets to mi6 and spy for the west. now that is not something you often hear being set in public but i think it shows that they see this as a very different unprecedented moment for the kremlin and it was startling i think to see that there wasn't some complex private explanation of what had been happening inside the kremlin. it really was just as chaotic as it seems on the surface. until that interpretation ends.
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>> peyton, what, coming up next. a report from texas where new flooding barrier on the rio grande is raising concern on both sides of the southern border. governor abbott said it will deter the legal migrants. the question is, is illegal, more on that ahead. we needed it fixed right. we went to safelite.com. there's no one else we'd trust. their experts replaced our windshield, and recalibrated our car's advanced safety system. they focus on our safety... so we can focus on this little guy. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ ♪ pets are raw. raw curiosity. raw love. raw energy. no dog ever thought, “what if someone sees me like this?” no cat ever asked permission before taking up residence on your keyboard. raw is all pets are, and raw is all they need.
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the department of justice is assessing reports from the southern border, over a texas state trooper -- orders to push migrants back into the rio grande as well as deny them water. sources also telling cnn that the inspector general for the texas department of public safety has received additional complaints over the treatment of migrants, those complaints include some videos, although they are not clear what exactly those videos may show. top officials including texas governor greg abbott are denying any orders that, quote, would compromise the lives of those attempting to cross the border illegally. and quote. but there is this increased scrutiny on the measures that the governor is taking, including the deployment of new floating barriers on the rio grande, rosa flores has more. >> we are in the middle of the rio grande.
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>> jesse fuentes grew up running the waters of the rio grande in eagle pass, the texas. >> the river that i love. >> and in 2015, he turned his passion into a business, launching at these canoe and kayak. >> what was businesslike? >> it was beautiful. >> fuentes even argued organized races on the river, but not anymore. >> we are securing the border at the border. >> governor greg abbott has proposed -- wire, shipping containers, that most recently 1000 feet of flooding border barrier and netting on the river. the police are four feet and diameter, and anchored to the bottom of the waterway. >> a strategy that no state has ever before deployed. to stop people from entering texas illegally. >> the state of texas didn't exactly follow the law when it started installing the buoys on the rio grande. according to the u.s. state department, a series of
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treaties between the u.s. and mexico governed the use of the water on the rio grande. and texas, not only didn't consult with the u.s. federal government before installing the buoys, it didn't obtain a permit. >> it used to be a beautiful christian island. >> fuentes points to island on the river that he says texas also destroyed. >> here is what the island looked like on google earth. here is what it looks like now. the island is gone. the vegetation is dead. a road and concertina wire taking its place. >> it made me want to cry. it was sad. >> fuentes filed a lawsuit, claiming the buoys will prevent him from making a living. >> eagle pass -- >> and mexico's top diplomat complained to washington, saying the buoys violate to treaties between the countries, including one that prohibits construction, that the flex or obstructs the flow of the river. >> mexico is also concerned
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that the buoys may be on their territory. >> this is our property. >> this to say they have complained about texas, but for installing concertina wire on their land, and for refusing to remove it. >> as the epa's taken over control over private properties? >> yes. >> are we supportive of it, no, we are not. >> but the most alarming part of it all is what they say they witnessed. migrants needing help, and texas national guard members just standing there. >> i asked, aren't you all going to -- and they just sat there, they said, we can't. we can't get onto your property. they told us not to get on to the property, they chose not even to give them water. and i said, fine, and then i just turned around and we just kept helping people out.
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>> texas national guard denies the allegations. -- the account comes after the dps and announced -- acknowledging an increase in migrant injuries from concertina wire. and in texas state trooper blowing the whistle to superiors about a 19 year old stuck on the wire while having a miscarriage, her four year old passed out due to exhaustion, and about being ordered to push migrants into the river and deny them water. allegations that the agency denies. >> [inaudible] >> maverick county sheriff tom schumer says he has never witnessed a trooper mistreat migrants, but he's worried the buoys could mean more migrant deaths. >> i hope that i am wrong, but i think we are going to have some people joining, literally. >> i want to be that voice for the river, because the river can't speak for itself. >> are you afraid of going against the state of texas? >> am i afraid, no. it's my business effort. yeah, it's my hearts effort -- suffering, yes. >> rosa joins us now from eagle pass, where buoys are going in the. water so is the federal government planning to do anything about the buoys? >> you know, the federal government says that it is aware about what is going, on
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take a look anderson, you will see the buoys here are still on the river. and regarding jesse fuentes, the gentleman that you met in our story, he is waiting for his first hearing to be set. and one of the things he is going to be asking for is for these buoys to be removed. but back to the federal government, the u.s. doj says that it is aware, it also says that it knows of the troubling reports of what is going on here in the state of texas. now it is unclear whether the biden administration will actually do something about it, if they will take legal action. but as you know, anderson, president joe biden has been critical of what is going on here in the state of texas and on the border. >> rosa flores, thanks, we'll be right back. so researchers can help life underwater flourish. ♪ every day, more dog people, and more vets are deciding it's time for a fresh approach to pet food.
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