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the source with kaitlan collins starts now. tonight, straight from the source, i have a brand-new reporting on how trump's beefing up his legal team as he is bracing for another potential indictment from the special counsel. i will share that scoop in a moment. and stunning new details on the u.s. soldier believed to be detained in north korea tonight, after crossing the heavily fortified demilitarized zone, a witness says she saw him build across the border, and you are going to hear her account. plus, the music video that is rocking the world of country music, and beyond. why jason aldean's entire chart topper was pulled by country music television. i am kaitlan collins, and this is the source. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening, we start tonight with that breaking news on how trump is adding more firepower to his legal team, as he is bracing for a potential another indictment from the special counsel. of course, as we, know trump shock to the world when he announced yesterday that he had

gotten that target letter from jack smith's team. and now i have learned that he is quietly adding a new criminal defense attorney in recent weeks to his team. i am told that john, lautaro a former federal prosecutor turned white collar attorney is going to be joining that team, that team that has focused on what could be a new indictment in the coming days. he will be focused on the january 6th investigation, and of course that comes after last month when trump was indicted in the documents case, two of his key attorneys departed his team. one of them who was very familiar with the january 6th investigation. now trump is adding a new person to that team, of course as they are trying to figure out more about that potential indictment, what evidence does jack smith have, what witnesses has he spoken to that trump and his team are unaware of? of course, i should, know john doe is someone who was part of

that group that was reaching out to others in trump's orbit, attempting to find out who else may have gotten a target letter. i should note that as we came to air tonight here at 9:00 eastern, so far they have not uncovered anybody else who has also gotten a target letter in the january 6th probe. we, know that jury that is hearing evidence is expected to hear more from other witnesses tomorrow. one going back for his third visit before the grand jury. we have learned that trump's team has been asking around to see about those other potential witnesses, that other potential evidence, as they are trying to learn more and embracing for another indictment, potentially. as we know, donald trump has until tomorrow night, given that target letter, to answer that, but sources say it is highly doubtful that he would accept an offer to testify himself. after that, his legal team is going to be on indictment watch, tonight they are already bracing for. all of this is coming as we are now learning what kind of charges trump might be facing. this is included in that target letter that he got. according to multiple news outlets, there are three federal statutes that are

included in the letter that trump's team got on sunday night, deprivation of rights, conspiracy to commit an offense, or defraud the united states, and witness tampering. serious crimes in historic times. let's bring in someone who was once in that inner circle of trump's. joining me now is the former national security adviser to donald trump, john bolton, ambassador, thank you for being here tonight, what do you make of the fact that the former president and your former boss is on the verge of potentially being indicted in this case? >> well, we haven't seen the indictment yet, although i agree, it certainly looks like one is coming, almost any day. we don't know the exact scope of it which could have a big influence, but i have to say, this being the third indictment, not having seen real political

impact negative to trump on the first to, in fact, if anything it helped bolster his stature with supporters, a third indictment or even a fourth indictment, i don't think it is going to change that much politically. i think the single most important question now on the legal side is whether any of these cases actually get to trial before the 2024 election. that is what is gonna be important. not this indictment or that indictment or the next indictment. which case if any gets to trial, and does he get convicted? >> yeah, and we saw his attorneys in court for the documents investigation this week. essentially arguing that if they do have the court, the case that it should be from mid november of next year on, i

mean, do you think it is fair for voters to go to the polls to cast their votes if they don't know what the outcome of that trial is? or these trials potentially could be? >> no, i, mean i think the clear consideration, any defendant is entitled to time to prepare his defense. but, you know, as they say, justice delayed is justice denied. if trump really wanted justice, he would be saying i want to go to trial as soon as possible. and remove this cloud from over my candidacy, that is obviously not what he wants to do. i happen to think his attorneys and the documents case made a substantial mistake by putting a fairly direct to the judge so they don't want the case before the election, that shows the real strategy, and when you think about it, it is shocking. now, it may be difficult to have kind of traffic jam here with all these cases, but i think it is part of the court's duty to make sure that the public interest is served as well. the defendant has a legitimate interest in time to prepare his or her defense.

but i do think that in this case, given special privilege to someone just because they are a candidate for president is not consistent with the notion of one law for all. >> what avenue that we know that from our reporting that jack smith has been pushing and pursuing is this idea that trump knew that he lost the election. i mean, is it clear to you that he did have that time? >> no -- i think that is essential difficulty with what may come from the january 6th investigation, it's why i personally think it is the documents case that is the most important. trump will have a lot of ways to say, i thought i had a legitimate reason to believe that the election had been stolen. there will be witnesses who will say, well, we told him that it was, that he lost, and she wouldn't accept it, but they were other people, maybe crazy people, but they were telling him that it had been stolen. so i think the intent issue here is difficult, and i think that that is where the focus of

trump's defense will be. >> yeah, and i know that you said back in august of 2020 that you had concerns about the way trump was talking about the election, you know, saying that the only way he could lose if it was rigged. but what you just said there is important, you are talking about the people who were around trump and what they were telling them. you know, we have talked about this team normal versus team crazy, do you expect that sydney powell, rudy giuliani, the jordan he's friends, that those attorneys should be indicted in this case? >> well they could well be, i mean, i think the key witnesses here could be people like rudy giuliani or mark meadows, to whom trump may really have said something that is very hard for him to dodge. really showing that he lost, i

mean, he has said a lot of things in the nature of, how could i lose to that fill in the blank, bows, ojo de agua. and some people said, see, that shows that he knew he lost. i think he could easily argue that it shows the opposite. that of course you couldn't lose to that photo, joe biden, therefore it must of been stolen. and i think the worst outcome in any of these cases from the public interest point of view of keeping trump from becoming president again is that he is acquitted or gets a hunger jury. because that fits directly into his argument that these cases were all political. that he is being persecuted. so a lot arrives on this. i am sure jack smith understands that. but a win here could shake up this election. an acquittal or a hung jury could give trump the republican nomination for sure in my view,

and mike winning the election. >> speaker kevin mccarthy, you know, after january 6th he said that trump bears responsibility for what happened that day. he is now saying that he doesn't think trump has any criminal culpability, he told my colleague melanie is an owner that i don't think see how you could be found criminally responsible for what happened on january 6th for those efforts to overturn the election, do you get disagree with that? >> well, it depends on what this indictment says, i, mean i think the better thing for republican leaders to be saying, if they say anything, is that this case is now in the criminal justice process, and i am not gonna comment on it. that was the tradition in american politics, it was a good tradition, we ought to go back to it. i think that from the, what has

been reported about the target letter, that trump received on sunday, it was that i could see an indictment here that doesn't deal with january six little. in fact, many people have commented that. and it could be part of smith strategy to kind of separate the case and put it into different indictments. and we will know soon enough i think. >> when you ever worked for him, did you ever think that it would be a situation like this, where he has, you know, tyson adele, maybe thrice indicted? >> well, i think, i just felt that his desire to take advantage of the judicial system in my book i refer to it as obstruction of justice as a way of life. he, it wasn't that he played close to the edge, he didn't acknowledge that there were edges. there were limits to what he could do. and it was probably only a matter of time that he did something that could result in an actual criminal trial, but again, the equities here, prosecutor has to decide. and i think that many of trump 's critics of whom i've obviously one missed the point.

it is not impeachment that stops him, it is not indictment that stops him, it is conviction. if you impeach him when you fail to convict, then you don't constrain him, you empower him. if you indict him here and failed to convict, you can elect him president again. >> ambassador john bolton, thank you for your time tonight. >> for more on what we are learning about the special counsel's investigation, i want to bring in one of the most foremost experts in election law, republican attorney ben ginsburg. he also testified, i should note, as an expert before the house, january 6th congressional committee. thank you so much for being, here when you look at this and you hear this reporting about these three statutes that are allegedly cited in this letter, you know, if that is what trump is ultimately charged, with which one do you think is the most important? >> well it really depends on what the fact that jack smith presents our. and other, words if this is a case where there is a broad conspiracy with lots of information that we don't know yet, than any of the three could be serious. i think the deprivation of

rights counts, it is probably the most interesting. because that could in fact open up a discussion, the proof, that trump would have to make, that his charges were rigged elections, they were actually true. and it would be a worthwhile exercise for the american people to actually hear if donald trump can make that case. >> well that statute was also stood out to me because the other two we kind of knew about, that they could be an option. that is what the january six committee actually recommended to the justice department, but the one you are talking about was one that was enacted, you know, after the civil war. and essentially as the new york times sums us up tonight. it was too vital for federal agents to go after members who had engaged in terrorism. but what they say, the modern usage of it could look like, it's essentially trump facing prosecution on accusations of trying to rig the election

himself. >> he has, and that goes to what you were talking about earlier, with ambassador bolton. which is his intent. not only is his intent, it's the knowledge that he has and what he was told. remember, there were 64 court cases after the election, he lost all of them. 14 of them never got to, were dismissed on procedural grounds. 14 he voluntarily dismissed. over three actually were hearings on the merit, and he couldn't prove it, the fraud that he said in any of those

cases, so often outcomes back to his intent, there could be a thorough examination of what he knew, and whether there is any validity in the charges that our elections are rigged. >> obviously, jack smith has been able to do a lot more because the power of his subpoena packs a lot more punch than the congressional committee, how much more evidence do you think he has been able to get that the january six committee was? >> well a couple of hands on, that first of all, the documents case, when it produced, it showed a far more in-depth investigation than anyone had seen coming. secondly, you saw the january 6th committee report, and the number of witnesses who did not talk to them, who managed to stiff arm a congressional committee and not give information. what is interesting is that

jack smith has been able to talk to all of those people, and there are a series of court decisions that we know about in which attempts to invoke either executive privilege or attorney-client privilege have been rejected by the courts. so you know from that that jack smith has been able to gather for more evidence than the january six committee was able to. >> yeah, i mean, mike pence for example, someone with these officials, you know, venue, have always been outspoken about the state of democracy, and preserving it. you know, we have kind of seen a preview of what trump's defense here could look like. he has said things like he is the right questions to the election. he obviously did a lot more than, that he tried to overturn the election. in your view how big of a moment to this? is this for the country? and preserving that democracy? >> i think it is a huge moment. look, we are in a more precarious situation as a country and we have been in a long time. we are a very polarized country, that has happened before. but the number of people in this country who doubt the veracity and reliability of our elections is at an all-time high. and now you have got an indicted former president running for office in an election in which he claimed it's rigged. that is under any definition of it a toxic mix. and so jack smith's ability to be able to lay out facts that we haven't seen yet, and the theory of what donald trump may have done to stand in the way of the will of the people in the election is a huge moment for the country. >> ben ginsburg, a huge moment for the country, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> also, we have breaking news tonight here, russia is targeting the port city of odessa in southern ukraine. it is the third night in a row that they have been bothering them, our ukraine's armed forces reporting at least eight russian aircraft flying in the direction of the black sea.

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we are a little more than five weeks away from the first republican debate in wisconsin, what does that debate stage look like? a reminder, of course, the republican national committee sets criteria for candidates to qualify, that means all of them likely won't be up there, right now the current front runner donald trump would easily meet those requirements, but so far he has said he is not planning on showing up in waukee for that first debate, the chair of the republican national committee says she thinks that is the mistake. >> i think he should be on the stage, i want everybody on the stage that qualifies. >> i think it is a mistake to

not do the debates. but that is gonna be up to him and his campaign. >> trump's former vice president mike pence i should note tonight was asking new hampshire voters to donate $1 to his campaign, because he has yet to qualify for that stage. joining me now, christian saltese anderson and van jones, i, mean what do you think that debate stage is showing up to look like? because we have got this new poll out of new hampshire today, among likely primary voters, trump's at 37%, ron desantis at 23, tim scott at eight, and then you have got chris christie, doug burgum, and the others, we know nikki haley and -- have so far qualified to a debate stage, they say. >> i think it is gonna be really interesting, i don't know how crowded it will be once you factor in all of these folks having to get a certain

number of small dollar donors, and the polling criteria are a little bit unusual, as a pollster, it is not 100% clear to me exactly which polls will count for the qualification standards. but nevertheless, i think that donald trump will be making a mistake to sit at this debate, we know he has done it before, in 2016 one of the debates he set out, counter programed, they made his own show, but i think he is gonna want to have the opportunity to prove that he is better than ron desantis, i don't think he will be able to let that go by. >> but what do you make of the rnc chair having to kind of go on fox and obviously a channel she knows he watches, and big. >> your words, >> please, baby, please. >> our team to come on. >> please, baby, please. >> i think it is kind of pathetic, but, you know, donald trump does what he wants to do. i think he is making a mistake because somebody else could do

something extraordinary, tim scott is a really compelling figure. he's a unifier, if he didn't have to sit there and, you know, dodge, you know, weird nicknames from donald trump, he could breakthrough. and once somebody breaks through, you can get a snowball going, remember, barack obama was down in the numbers and stuff. so i think it is a mistake. but i think it is just, this is like, you have got this big toddler who is like the size of a skyscraper, just wandering around the republican party doing whatever he wants to. you've got the rnc chair behind, you please, please sit down, please eat your peas, it is not going to work, he will do whatever you want, cities. >> tim scott, of course, we should note his super pac wants autonomy. kristen, trump was on fox last night talking about something that he is at odds with with people at the rnc chair and other mainstream republicans in his party, over when it comes to early voting. he said this about it. >> that things happen to those pilots also, they are sent nearly all of a sudden where they? bad, look, we have very corrupt elections.

>> he is criticizing early voting as people in the rnc are trying to roll out early voting program. they believe that the democrats are better at early voting than they are. >> it is one thing to say that i wish we would go back to the pre-pandemic way that we did elections, where there was less early voting, less absentee voting. but there is also the reality that we are, in which is that mail-in voting, early voting, absentee voting, these have been expanded, and that is largely here to stay. and so you have to run in the world that exists. you have to run an election in reality. and if republicans bail on early voting, they bill enough to voting, where in some states like florida they have actually had advantages for a while, they are leading votes on the table, it is tactically disastrous. >> do not listen to this woman, republicans, listen to donald trump. don't vote early, please be quiet, the one time i agree with donald trump, republicans don't really,. >> it didn't turn care they affect, they're the ones that are discouraging it, but i want to say something else, this is something that the white house is kind of, you know, sitting back and laughing at, it was something that president biden tweeted this video saying that he fully endorsed it, and while it was surprising, it was because of marjorie taylor greene, in a speech she gave where she thought she was criticizing president, biden but he used it as an endorsement, essentially. >> joe biden had the largest public investment in social

infrastructure and environmental programs that is actually finishing what fdr started, the lbj expanded on. and joe biden is attempting to complete it. >> hurray! look, i mean, you could not get a better endorsement than that in our party. she is talking about people who are beloved, fdr, that is literally who biden want to grow up and be and thinks he's becoming. it just shows how different the world's for republican party, and apparently fdr who saved us in world war ii, rebuild the country, who oversaw the great depression, is some kind of fill in, it gives you a sense of how part of the public parties are. it is very smart. somebody in the biden campaign was paying attention has a great sense of humor. >> i mean, what do you make of this? she is saying that he took her out of context, that she posted the full clip of her comments, she is criticizing his spending and programs. but, one, it is a sign of a polarize we are today, right? but the very thing that one side of the political aisle

thinks is obviously negative can so easily be viewed as a positive do the other side. but the thing that i think really stuck out to me was when this video dropped, it is very much for those who are online, who really know immediately who marjorie taylor greene's, they get why this is funny. it was, is this an a i think? we live in strange times, where that is a question you have to ask. >> because we have seen people using a. i. in their ads. thank you both. >> thank you. >> also, we have breaking news tonight, what i mentioned a second ago, the ukrainian port city of odessa is being numbered where right now, as ukraine's president is a accusing moscow of trying to cripple their ability to export grain, we will take you live there to the ground next. plus, we have new details tonight on that u.s. soldier that is believed to be held in north korea. there is now an eyewitness who watched him go across the

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ukraine, ukraine russia's bombarding the southern port city of odessa for the third night in a row. you can see this extraordinary video just in from cnn's team and it shows ukraine's air defense working to repel inflation attacks. cnn's alex marquardt joins me live from it as a. alex, what are you, what have you been seeing on the ground as this is the third night in a row where -- slippery russia is using here? >> this was a city that was already on edge after two nights of extraordinarily intense ferocious attacks by russia, this city wondering whether it would happen for a third night in a row. that answer coming just before two a. m., with an attack that lasted around an hour and 45 minutes.

arguably the most intense yet in terms of the weaponry that we saw on display today tonight. it did start the same way that the two last nights have irate sirens, warning piece of the city, an attack was coming. we start to see those red tracer rounds from the air defenses, firing up into the sky, lighting up the night sky, looking for drones to take down. there were spot lights that were searching for drones. we saw interceptor rockets taking off with, and presumably hitting things. because there were huge explosions in the sky that cast this huge blow all across this city but eventually went dark. all of the lights being turned off, presumably for security reasons, but the reason that this does appear to have been more intense tonight was because of the variety of cruise missiles, at least three different kinds of cruise missiles that russia used. including the much feared cans all missile which has a warhead of one time. we know that russia's end up at least eight long-range supersonic strategic bombers to fire these cruise missiles. and then very notably we know that in all of these attacks, drones were used. but this was the first time that we heard these drones so close. they sound like huge mosquitoes flying very close to the buildings.

what the targets to, or what time it was, that we don't know. the sun is just coming up. but i think it is fair to say that these last three nights have represented the most serious and most intense attacks on odessa since this war began last year. >> alex marquardt, please stay safe and thank you. also tonight there is possible proof of life of getting for collusion, of course the wagner leader there is a greener television video that appears to show him alive and well, greeting soldiers and dollars. i should note tonight that cnn has not independently confirmed that this is a bogosian. but if, so it would be the first time that he has been seen in public since he led that event of mutiny against the russian military nearly a month ago. the osaka still has western tolerance officials scratching their heads over how it happened and how he is still alive.

even britain's spy chief, richard -- he had mi6 who i should note rarely speaks out in public, and certainly not as candidly as he did today, said he was stumped. >> prigozhin started off, i think, as a traitor at breakfast. he had been pardoned by supper, and then a few days later he was invited 40. so there are some things but even the chief of mi6 finds a little bit difficult to try and interpret in terms of who is in and who is out. >> cnn's -- oren liebermann at the pentagon for us tonight. i mean, or, and when i heard that comment, it just kind of stunned me to hear that the head of the mi6 said that there are even a little buffered by it. and they are still trying to sort out the idea that what happened that day, and the fact that he is alive right now? >> of, course and that is part of the mystery of all of this, where does afghani prigozhin

stand now? normally in vladimir putin's russia, if you present a challenge to putin, or present too much disapproval of the decisions that he made, you find yourself some for any spectrum from completed theory to inevitable this fenestration. and, yet prigozhin doesn't seem to be on that spectrum. the question is, where exactly is he? he presented possibly the greatest challenge to putin's rule in his entire time in the kremlin, and he was essentially moved, outbreak? he is no longer in charge of wagner, or at least not as he was. he is not leading his forces in bakhmut. the relationship between wagner forces in africa and prigozhin right now is also unclear. and yet, if this video is to be believed, and cnn teams have geolocated to a base outside of minsk, the question isn't prigozhin remains open. but if this video is to be believed, he clearly has at least some of his forces in a safe haven in belarus. it is also worth noting that the head of mi6 said putin had to make this deal with prigozhin to save his own skin. and that, caitlin, in and of itself, is very telling.

>> the, asked what do they say? don't drink the tea -- oren liebermann, thank you. we are also learning new details tonight on the army private, travis king, who is the u.s. soldier that bolted into north korea on tuesday, catching the world off-guard and those who were there. an eyewitness who was at the demilitarized zone, this is a tour that was ongoing, watched as he dashed across the line, catching both u.s. and south korean service members who were there off-guard. >> are you doing this for a tiktok? something really stupid like that. but he didn't stop. there were south koreans and u.s. soldiers around us, i heard one of the american soldiers [inaudible] a bunch of them ran up, was so exciting, cluster -- >> joining me now is -- a former north korean analyst for the cia. i mean, this whole saga is fascinating i think, i should note in the background that he

had been accused of assault twice last. year he had been held in the south korean jail. he was due to be removed or separated as they were saying from the u.s. army. and what does he make of everything? >> it is very bizarre, because i think when you look at the history, you have a lot of north korean defectors, but you don't have the american defectors. you have five or six cases in the past. so it is very bizarre, it looks like he got into a lot of trouble, as you mentioned, in south korea. he cursed at a police officer. he vandalized some cars. he hit and assaulted a south korean citizen. and he was supposed to be sent back. from an airport to didn't get on that flight, and made it straight to the dmz, and so it is very intentional that he intended to run to north korea. he didn't want to come back to the united states, i guess. >> what is he facing in north korea? i mean, i think some people would rightly say that it is bizarre that you would prefer to go there then to return to the united states? >> it is a gigantic present, north korea is a person of 25 million people, so i'm sure he is regretting right now. but it is very uncertain what he is a future holds. because he defected. so it's not like north koreans are the ones who are detaining american citizens. like, otto --

this is a case where american to factored, so we will see what the north koreans. do the problem, is u.s. and north korea are at an impasse right now. there is no dialogue, there is no conversations, since the failure of the hanoi summit, and then the covid, years there has been no conversation between the americans out of the north koreans. >> and i think of that might surprise people given just how much trump was meeting with kim jong-un, and they did have that summit in vietnam. there has been no home contact between the biden education and the -- they are responding to the biden administration, so what do they do in the situation? >> i think the north koreans are going to take their time, freight? oldest cemetery and diplomacy of 20, 18 2019, that cemetery, that diplomacy, it's completely collapsed. and if you remember, north koreans have been just diversifying, monetizing, expanding their nuclear missile arsenal. there are some 70 produced minnesota tests last year. over 30 misogynist this year. there is no talk. and north koreans might be,

like you know, we are not interested in having our conversation, it might not respond. >> could be tried to use him as upon? >> potentially. but north koreans might also say, we are not gonna show that they are not interested coming back to, dialogue was just keep the sky. >> we will be tracking all of this, of course your expertise on this is invaluable, so thank you. >> and, my two irs was a lowers of gun public with their testimony, first time in a hearing focused on hunter biden. one whose name was just revealed, republicans claim the presidents son got special treatment from the justice department. we will show you what democrats on the committee said as well. ♪ ♪ ♪

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country music store jason l team is pushing back tonight against critics after his music video for the song try that in a small town was pulled off of country music television. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ and claims that he believes that it was ultimately mishandled. he was joined by the note there was so lower, gary chamblee, as they are arguing that these two credible witnesses, they, say concerned should not be ignored. >> i watch the united states attorney, a room for the senior fbi and senior leaders on october 7th 2022 that he was not the deciding person on whether charges were filed. that was my red line.

i had already seen a pattern of preferential treatment and obstruction, and it appeared to me based on what i had experience that the u.s. attorney in delaware, in our investigation was and strong, limited and marginalized by doj officials as well as other u.s. attorneys. >> i should note that the u.s. attorney that they are referring to was appointed by the former president donald trump and has defended his decision to elect hunter biden plead guilty to two tax misdemeanors in a felony gun charge, david weiss has insisted that he had the ultimate authority on what those charges would've looked like for hunter biden. the top democrat on the committee called out his republican colleagues. >> but one thing you will not here today, is any evidence of wrongdoing by president joe biden or his administration. like every other tribe and colleague to conduct a scandal about president biden, this one is a complete and total bus. >> here to break down today's

hearing, my colleague john miller, john, you obviously have a background in law enforcement and what congressman raskin was trying to say is that they basically was a tug of war between investigators and prosecutors and nothing more than that. what do you think? >> well i mean the problem is that caitlin, the very reason that the justice department appointed david weiss to this job was that he was a trump -appointed u.s. attorney who they left in place along the idea that whatever decision came to would not be questioned on political grounds. because he's a donald trump appointee who theoretically would have been calling it down the middle. and i have worked with the irs criminal deficient before on cases, they are very good, very thorough. and these two nations are very credible when they get their testimony and their background of the case that they've worked on. the issue is, as you framed it that you put together your best case and then prosecutors look at and say that i would have to prove, that i would have to go through a messy trial and it's going to be politically-charged

there's gonna be accusations about everybody's motive and can i get the government paid back and get a guilty plea? the irs loves to prosecute famous people and we know that from all the big name cases that we've seen hunter biden would fit into that category. but they want to pay up and plead guilty plea for a trial often get easier like this. >> but what's the different, in the hunter biden and what's different here versus those other big names that you talked about? is there a difference in how much they owe and what essentially they were going after them for? >> on its baseline those. you know wesley snipes or nicolas cage or willie nelson, these were cases that involved millions and millions of dollars, not just an ink up and in nick cage's case, i think it was evading taxes on $70 million. but $70 million in old taxes, even with the agent testimony, today, we were talking about $100,000 here, 100 and thousand

$50,000 here so far below that line. martha stewart went through jail for $200,000 but it was attached to an insider trading case where she applied to the scc. wesley snipes went to jail for a much bigger numbers and you know william nelson and nick cage make deals to pace. so this kind of underneath those as a lesser case with a less famous name but a politically-charged case, which is, why as we saw today is messy. >> well, what's not the end of it because gary shapleigh is negotiating to go before the senate now and testify as well, john miller, thank you for watching. that and breaking it down for us. >> thanks. >> he is one of country music's biggest stars and his new song was topping the charts with his new music video that had just been pulled from the country music channel. the controversy explains ahead.

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there's not a single lyric in the song that references racer points to it. try that in a small town for me refers to the feeling of a community that i had growing u p, where we took care of our neighbors regarding of differences or background or belief. joining me now tonight is tennessee state representative trusty jones who was famously expelled and reinstated after he led a gun control protest on the house floor in tennessee after six people were killed in a school shooting in nashville. representative thank you for being with us tonight. jason l dean as i noted is defending this video, but i wonder what your reaction was when you heard the song and saw the video?

>> yes, well thank you so much for having me again caitlin. as a tennessee lawmaker, the islam maker in our state, felt like we had a obligation to condemn this vile, heinous some, which is going back to the past. it's no accident in went back to the court as where the race riot happen as well as in 1927 lynching of an young man who was 18 years old, henry show occurred. the song is about normalizin g

race as vigilantism and white nationalism and it's about glorifying the south that we are moving forward from and moving form from in tennessee. >> he obviously didn't write the song but clearly sings it and some of the lyrics we were looking at them earlier, one of them is because out of the cops, stop on his face, yeah you think you're tough, we'll try that in a small town. are those the lyrics that you are referencing? >> those lyrics to see how far you make it down the road. this is a lynching anthem, it's an anthem that reminds me of the stories of young men like trayvon martin who were killed by the white vigilantes.

this song is not about small town, because if it was about small towns where was jason ld when the smith marie county people were fighting for clean water, where we see when these towns were closing, where we see when these people in the community were suffering from starvation wages, but then he comes to sing a song that harkens back to the vision, harkens back to the fear of outsiders, this racist violence that lead my grandparents to leave the smal l town's, fleeing joke renal jim crow terrorism. this is not something this is something we must condemn, because if we normalized thi s

violent racist rhetoric, and we normalize vase races violent actions. hustle this song is about a proliferation of guns in our communities, taking things in our own hands. we feel threatened by people because they're different from us. this is shameful and we must condemn it. >> do you think make of how he noted it, jason lte was obviously performing at that vegas in festival in vegas when a gunman opened fire and killed 58 people, it was the deadliest mass shooting in american history. he said in response quote, no one including me wants to see census headlines are families ripped apart. to you think that rings true when you listen to the song? >> when i listen to the song, i hear this normalization of gun extremism. harry we are a state that has been plagued by mass shootings. just this year, covenant elementary school. this is not about bringing us together, but it's about lifting up the vision and fear

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