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racism. these are are the most afalling disgusting, and they're applied to me to silence me. last week, in exclusively by the new york post. >> covid 19 is targeting to attack our caucasians and black people. the people are asking's and chinese. and. let's begin with democratic presidential candidate robert f kennedy junior with a long history of spreading vaccine and misinformation. yet in a house hearing today he claimed he never has been even vaccine, racist or anti-semetic and things got heat weather

congress woman debbie wasserman schultz called him last year and suggesting anne frank was in a better situation hiding from the nazis from the holocaust than people in the u.s. than during the covid 19 pandemic >> in discussing covid public health issues you made light of the genocide against jewish people, even hitler's germany you could cross the alps to switzerland and hide in an attic. do you think it was easy for jewish people to escape systemic slaughter of nazi >> absolutely not. >> do you think 2021 just hard to wear a mask during covid as it was to hide under floorboards or falls so you weren't murdered or dragged to a concentration cam camp >> that's a comparison you made. were the measures taken to contain the fatalities comparable to the murder of 6 million jews >> yes or no >> absolutely not. >> joining me congress woman debbie wasserman schultz.

thank you for coming on the program. i want to start. it is wonderful to see you. i want to start with this. r fjunior may deny he made that comparison let's got to the tape. even if hitlerer germany you cod cross the alps to switzerland, hide in an attic like anne frank. today the mechanisms are being put in place. will make it so none of us can run and hide. >> why do you think that he -- that he's backtracking when he's clearly on record with these dangerous conspiracies? >> well, it's worst than that, he's in the backtracking. he lied under oath in front of congressional committee today. when you have your statements on video it's bizarre to me when someone denies they can present them with the evidence they said it. i think he's being called to

account for the outragesness of his holocaust when it comes to covid 19 and now he's engaged in repeated anti-semetic tropes and chinese tropes as well just last week, it's a constant barrage of anti-semitism and holocaust and nazi references. republicans decided to have him as witness, even though he has no expertise. beyond that, his disinformation, and misinformation is dangerous to people. to give someone like that a platform is dangerous. >> let me ask you this. because there are always people on the right and left hey we're being censored. r fk is claiming he's being censored. >> the first amendment was in the written for easy speech. it was written for the speech that nobody likes you for.

>> so he's sort of raising the question and it's, about whether or not misand disinformation is protected free speech. how do you see it >> well, there's a difference, he has the right in america to say anything that he wants, that you know, but the first thing restrictions, the supreme court ruled that. the not shouting fire in a crowded theater was cited today. but you don't have the right to say what you want to say and given a platform to amplify your misinformation and disinformation. congressional tests we're supposed to be hearing from people who actually have direct knowledge about issues who will bring about information to us, help us make decisions. what our -- is a conspiracy theorist who spews anti-semetic

and racist views have no basis in evidence or fact. the republicans only had him because they wanted to highlight him because he happens to be trying to run against president biden. and they know that he's a conspiracy theorist and they wanted to use a so-called democrat to espouse what they believe is the conspiracy of covid. it's s so dangerous it's breath taking. >> here is one of the arguments that he makes and that others who support him make. it isn't just republicans but there are also democrats that seem to be quite interested in his message. polling shows support in a run for the presidency. why do you thinks that? >> because his last name was kennedy. and joe biden, i'm confident is going to he's the nominee of the

democratic party the most sweeping legislation passed into law, passed the inflation reduction act. infrastructure legislation. the chips and as soon as science act. more jobs created by this president than any in more than times. joe biden will be rewarded >> i use a follow up. you said it's his name recognition that has a lot interested. he's been talking like this for long time and there are people who are really concerned about the vaccine. and how quickly it came into use. and you know, whether or not there's any sort of long-term effect. i know that scientists have looked at that and said, look, this is safe and effective. but what do you say to those people who look at his record and they believe what he's saying and support him? >> well, i mean, it's the united states of america. people can support who they want. but if we're really -- if the

republicans were really concerned about hearing from someone who actually knows something about the -- the risk so-called risk of the covid 19 vaccine, they should have an he want deemsiologist and public health expert testifying not someone he don't spews information with no basis in in fact. what he's been saying wasn't about the vaccine. what he spewed last week was that the covid 19 virus was bioengineered to go after blacks and caucasians and spare jews and chinese people. that wasn't about the vaccine. that was about the virus. so this guy is a conspiracy theoriest loon who just spews horrific unproven, unscientific fact -- unscientific information as if it's fact. then denies when questioned

under oath that he said it. even with the receipts on video and in audit recordings. because it's comfortable to be called on your conspiracy theories and when they're outrageous, and offensive and anti-semetic and viable. >> congress woman debbie wasserman schultz. thank you for having this conversation with me. appreciate it. >> thank you, sara >> i want to bring in senior political scott jennings. i do have to ask this the simple question. is what rfk is saying anti-semetic? >> so in his earlier statement, that that the virus wa s targeted in a certain way, of course, this is a thousand-year-old anti-semetic theme that juice simultaneously cause or immune

from plagues, what i said eventually you'll draw a jewish card. or conspiracy. it's's a conspiracy in underlie all the other conspiracies, qan on. the i elites in hollywood, they're all the same. he confacilitated in the testimony, well this was based on this study by the cleveland clinic. cleveland clinic had a scientific study. didn't say it was targeted. it rains more in seattle that than phoenix that doesn't mean there's a jewish conspiracy tos cause it to rain in washington. i admire his nerve to just say these outrageous things and boldly contradict his testimony as congressman debars wasserman schultz just said. but outrageous that there is, i think, perhaps a double standard when somebody who spots anti-system system is useful to a party in power, they got a platform and when someone says something which may or may not may be sort of anti-semetic,

thinking the congress woman from last week, they got censored. i can't think of someone with such anti-semitic ideas getting such -- this kind of a platform. i do have advice as a rabbi. if you ever think about whether it's a good idea to make a holocaust analogy. here's the advice, don't make that analogy. there are certain things that are corresponding comparison. i heard it about gun control, covid, people on the right and left all the time. you hear it just constantly. and it is offensive every time it happens. >> you made a face, don't think i didn't notice it. >> well, i fully agree with you anti-semitism has no place in our politics. i don't like it when it's platformed but did you also catch the news last week of the anti-semitism going on and the fringe progressive caucus in the house democratic conference? this is a pervasive problem

among conspiracy theorists but it does exist on the american left. but yoyou do have and have had repeated episodes of anti-semitism coming out from democrats. >> no comparison between statement which i think was out of line saying, israel is a racist state. it's a political statement. i've said it again. >> to be clear, congress woman jay paul said this. she then apologized for it not long after. >> to be clear. he claimed he -- walked it back. to compare an extreme political statement with again, thousand-year-old claim that juice somehow engineered plagues to kill nonjews, that's a crazy equivalent. >> your statement was you never heard of anti-semitism being platformed like this. it's platformed every day. >> that's only if you agree with

a statement about israel. i'm not agreeing. is a political statement. to say that's equivalent to some guy saying and the outrageous nerve they talking about the jewish community in new york city. that was one of the early covid. and i know people who died from that community. for this guy to get on a platform after saying that like the juice are immune, and that this was targeted and it's some sort of a bioweapon, and i'm sorry, but to compare that to one statement saying it's >> it's no comparison. >> that corner of the party makes repeated statements >> china was also brought into this saying many chinese people died in this. and that can be seen as xenophobic. asian american hate. that is also part of this conversation. i do want to ask you, do you think to that the republicans are doing it to make joe biden shtitz >> they're doing to troll joe biden. as a republican i don't like

being affiliated with rfk junior. i'm old enough to remember when you're an employer his employer platformed about the 2004 election stolen he's been a first class conspiracy theorist. this man was could do he willed in the fever swamps of the left years now it's convenient to attack him and republican, i wasn't for rfk early on conspiracy and i ain't for rfk conspiracy today, i'm glad democrats got there. >> i want you to ask you that quickly. but why do you think he's getting the number he's getting? 17% right now in the polls and if you go down all you have to do is look at social media. you don't have to go back to some of the things. look at his social media and you know exactly what he stands for. >> couple things, there is a segment of the american left that's anti-vex and the right.

it exists both parties. i think its dissatisfaction with biden. there are democrats who don't want him to seek reelection. you can see it in any poll. and whether it's him or someone else, they're looking for an off ramp and he'll get the votes. it won't be enough to topple biden but they exist. >> there i is also i think a lessen here for democrats who i don't think are paying attention to the resentment that exists in the center. i don't care about the hard core right in terms of electoral politics but in the center around covid, and covid policies. there are misconceptions now floating around that a lot of these policies didn't do anything. whereas if you compare the actual death rates in florida in let's say florida, new york and california. they did a lot of hundreds of thousands of at least of lives are saved. some measures people did not likely democrats need to take this on squarely. should not sweep in his under the rug. i do think that rfk for all deep flaws he's speaking to a certain suspicion and a certain discontempt with that period in american history.

and the democrats should own it and take it on because we save lives >> two things schools close and businesses closed that has been a big issue across the board for a lot of different people. thank you, gentlemen for that very robust conversation next, florida decides to a change the wayho black history taught.ty can why critics say it's a huge step backward. why critics say it's a huge step backward. let's be more than our allergies! and for fast, allergy relief with a powerful decongestant, try zyrtec-d.

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professor at harvard law, and for race, affirmative action and the law. i'll start here with the simpliest question. can you make this make sense? >> well, it's a very bad situation. i mean what's happening in florida is a political figures are trying to make a verge of ignorance. they're removeing from the classroom subjects that ought to be taught. there are educators in florida who would like to educate students about subjects like reparations, subjects like black lives matter, subjects like feminism and black american fought. and they're being told to be quiet. they're being told these educators are being told they cannot teach students about these subjects. and that should be concerning for everyone. >> i do want to ask you why you

think this is happening now. we have seen what some people have described as a white lash after the election of barack obama and you have the black lives matter movement from 2014 until date to 2022, when george floyd was murdered by police officer. why do you think this shaping now, that some of these things are being taken out or watered down as to what happened to black americans in this country. >> well, there's an immediate reason and a long-term reason. the immediate reason is that they're political figures who think that doing things like this will help them. obviously. the governor of florida is running for the presidency. and he thinks that actions like this will rile up his base. and so you know, he's doing this to advance himself. there's a long term reason.

the long-term reason is that black history in particular constantly bent subject of vilify indication. and black people in america had to wage a political struggle over their history. on the other hand the atrocity fallen then have been belittled. slavery, frankly until relatively recently, slavery was viewed in some curriculum as a school for civilization. segregation was viewed as a good thing, reconstruction was viewed as a bad thing. i remember in my lifetime >> let me stop you there. that all changed. at some point, there was a change in that. where people saw themselves as

more enlightened and demanded that we tell the truth about our history. why are we back here again in 2023? >> well, there was some change. but, you know, it wasn't complete. in fact. one of the things happening now is an effort to complete the efforts that were made, for instance, in the second reconstruction, effort to complete the task of making this a full multi-racial society in which all communities are spected. that mission was never, you know, fulfilled. people are trying to fulfill it now. and being met as they have been met over the decades with a desperate reaction against trying to make the society a better society. >> randall kennedy thank you for

coming on and spelling out for us how you see this. i know you've been studying this a long time. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. anticipation is building for a potential third indictment of former president donald trump. while everyone is waiting, special counsel jack smith is pushing on. what his latest moves tell us about the timing of a potential indictment. that's ahead. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ and checking voicemail as my activities permit. i'll connect with you after reconnecting with me. ♪ get 1.9% apr for 36 months plus $1,500 purchase allowance on a 2023 xt5 and xt6 when you finance through cadillac financial. ♪ my active psoriatic arthritis can make me feel like i'm losing my rhythm. with skyrizi to treat my skin and joints, i'm getting into my groove.

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. the caucus donald trump has minuting to to respond to the special council. what happens next? when did former president will find out if they're trying to hold him accountable for the election. let's discuss tonight with former deputy assistant attorney. harry litman. just, we just got minutes left on her for donald trump to respond to the grand jury. no one is expected if he's going to do that. and the special council is scheduling more witness interviews we learned for coming weeks. what does that mean for the

timing of an indictment? and is it certain that there will be one if your estimation? >> i'll start there. yes. i can think of once or twice in my whole career a target letter hasn't been followed by an indictment. here, this is not a kind of casual matter. he would be considering it. it is a done deal. there's a model indictment drafted. it's gone off to garland. and the whole draft. it's happening. the witness interviews are one thing. but you can do witness interviews after a grand jury has returned charges. so we don't know that -- i think now, he's ready to go. jack smith is all about speed now and he's worried about the fulton county possible charges. i'm the only they don't know left is if trump wants to take an appeal, a final hearing i

think garland will insist he's got to go to jack smith. that's a courtesy you would afford him. otherwise i know he'll talk to other witnesses. that's fine. you can do that. i don't think the grand juries will put any kind of breaks on him at all. he wouldn't have done the target letter if he weren't ready to go. >> ok. can you give us a sense of what is going to happen as all of these cases start to clash? you have the case in new york to do with the stormy daniels money exchange. if you will. and you have the potential of georgia coming forward and the documents cases in florida. they can't all be tried at the same time certainly >> it's true. of course, there's civil cases as well. you'll the case the judges said it will be tried. i think these will natural separated. if they're scheduled for literally overlapping time, one of them will give. one reason jack smith is coming out of the box now is an order

that being the sort of position they will be in a courtroom nor this case. where the judges are used to moving quickly and the court of appeals also sort of fed up with trump and have moved quickly. remember when the new york da bragg brought charges and it was totally consuming. but they have a way of separating out. now i think it could be close to warm front contiguous. but i think the charges we're about to see will be the first ones to go to trial and that you know will be before november 24th. >> thank you so much. we will watch to see if your predictions come true. we appreciate it. >> thanks. just ahead. it's a question that's been lingering almost 30 years. who killed tupac shakur? we could be maybe getting closer to an answer that may be a

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. it's a question that has been asked and debated nearly 40 years now. who killed world renown hip hop artist and actor, tuck pack shakur. no one was charged or arrested. now new movement. las vegas police executed a search warrant at a home in henderson nevada. investigators seized computers, hard drives and magazine articles about the rapper and

his death. tupak was one of the biggest in the world when killed. he sold 75 million records in five years: he was one of the most prolific voices of a hip hop generation. tupac shakur a young man with bright eyes he spit out life as he knew it unvarnished. he revealed the beauty and pain in his life and those around him. the theme stretched from violence in the streets to black liberation to the love between a mother and son. to your tupac lived a version of the american dream. as well as an american

nightmare. he was a young black man who unchained himself from the extreme poverty he grew up in in baltimore and california. his school friends say his nose was always in a book, always learning. but it was his music and acting set the world alight. tupac was passionate. honest, and raw in his approach to political >> he became a world famous icon of an emerging genre of music hip hop to be gunned down at 25 years old near a las vegas street corner, retired police lieutenant chris carol was on the scene that september day 1996 >> i pended up pulling tupac out of the car. spoke to him. he was still alive. still breathing. i was asking him who did it. who shot him. what happened. and that's when he responded to me with the now infamous words

fu >> to put it mild's, shakur was not a fan of the police. for one his mother said he experienced police violence still in her room. recounted to fbi charging it to her home, guns out and carting her off to jail for being a member of the black panthers. she defended herself in court and won against the state >> it was one month and three days after we worked with it. >> tupac had his own run-in with violence and the law. >> make this court proud if they gave you the chance to do so. i'm sure you don't need to see another black face behind bars >> he was natural born fighter for black causes born of two members of the black panther party. >> i am his mother. to large extent i feel snow tupac came into this world carrying my black past was his baggage >> he was shot by times during a rush hour at time square and

lived to tell at the tail. he also thought east coast rappers set him up. he was arrested multiple times accused of violence. but tupac went to prison after being convicted of sexual abuse in 1995. that happened about a month before the release of his album, me against the world. he was bonded out after eight months by knight, ceo of death row records. the raw words of hi his songs served as empowerment for people feeling the weight of oppression. 2784s his music is relevant as ever. now a search warrant was served on his nevada home. there was mention of the south side compton gang and they seized items belonging to main named duane keith davis nick named keffe d.

in 1996, they picked up and questioned this man they said belonged to the same game, orlando anderson was named a suspect in the case but never charged. >> were you involved in any way in the death of tupac shakur >> no, i was not involved. i'm a victim. >> the night of his murder, anderson was being beaten by shakur and his entourage in las vegas. hours later, shakur was shot and killed in the car >> no one knows what will come of the new police activity. but after 27 years of waiting. his fans and his family hope not just that the murder assault but the justice is served. joining me exclusively tupac's brother and collaborator, modreme shakur. thank you for being with us tonight.

i know you have relived this nightmare for the family over 27 years and never gets easier. can i ask you what did you think? when you learned that police suddenly, 27 years later, are doing a search warrant on someone's home in nevada in connection with your brother's murder? >> first of all good evening. you know, i'm hopeful but honestly, coming from my point of view, the way the system has treated my father, late great dr. shakur who left us to go with ancestors july 7th, from the way the system treat miami-dade brother, tupac shakur, from the way the system treated my step mother, who passed away with a hole in her

heart. you know, i'm -- i'm not impressed, not moved. everybody get your popcorn we'll see what happens. but on top of the fact it's been 27 years. so it doesn't seem there's been a lot of z eal or robust investigation of this case. >> multiples what you're saying i'd like to give my condolences. i know you're still mourning the death of your father. can i talk to you about what is in the search warrant, however. they go into this home and pull out hard drives, computers, phones. they also pull out a vibe magazine with tupac on the front and a book as well. what do you make of what they've taken out? the book was called

compton street legends did that ring a bell to you? >> no, ma'am. i mean, compton, my brother and i you know, our music, our movement, felt like the whole thing were connected to all these communities. from the east coast to the west coast. fact that there's a book about compton there, that doesn't mean >> not superrprise, can i ask y if the name duane davis or keffe d means anything to you >> this individual -- this theory about his connection to the case has been floated around for years. >> he even said he was a witness to the shooting but never said anything about who was the actual killer. >> yes. and that's my point.

where we are forced we been. you know what i mean? i mean, it's been no mystery. it's always 30 years, multiple decades. >> would you say, sir, it's been no mystery, do you know he don't killed tupac or who you think killed tupac, your brother? >> no, ma'am, i don't. unfortunately, i don't know for sure. but these this theory hasn't been looked into for 27 years. why? my family has been traumatized, my sister, my daughter, my nieces, nephews, we've all been traumatized waiting, you know, our family passed away waiting for something to happen. for someone to be proactive enough to take action . for example, i hardly ever see

any footage from outside the casino. we all seen the footage of the fight. but never seen no footage outside. where the actual murder happened. to me, i don't think i'm not a cop. i don't investigate. >> you find that strange. can i ask you about tupac himself that night. you went to the hospital. didn't you? after tupac had been shot. did he try to communicate with you? what happened when you walked in that door >> i got there. i left to the hospital like day later. me and my daughter, my ex-wife and he was trying to communicate. he still was alive. he was trying to communicate. but >> how so? what was he do >> he was intubated and couldn't speak. >> what gave you the thought he was trying to communicate with you since he was, he had tubes down his throat?

>> because everyone knows his eyes. you know, all the ones that love him, and cared for him, you know, we all know pac. i know his eyes. on top of the fact is shot up as he was, he was still shaking the bed trying to communicate. >> what do you think he was trying to tell you >> that's the million dollars question. >> give me one word to describe why you think tupac shakur is still a voice of a generation. people are still talking about him. still wearing shirts. still listening to music. still quoting him and his poetry >> because tupac was the king of rap. he was a fierce warrior he represented love. he loved his community.

his people. he loved to extreme. >> modreme shakur, thank you so much for coming on the show and talking about yours long distance brother. >> thank you, race in peace to all the shakurs. >> we will be right back.

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