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supply and there are dire warnings from the cia about alleged plans to attack civilian ships. disturbing details in that gilgo beach serial killer investigation. a source tells cnn that investigators believe the suspect murdered his victims inside his home while his family was out of town. and the "barbenheimer" battle. i know this is the only thing you care about. two of the summer's most anticipated movies are opening today and they couldn't be any more different. sara sidner interviewed the stars of "barbie." "cnn this morning" starts right now. ♪ news that just broke on cnn this morning, white house national security council spok spokesman kirby saying russia could be preparing for a false flag operation in the black sea and adding more details.

>> we have information that the russians are potentially going to try to attack ships, civilian ships in the black sea that could be used for carrying grain out of ukraine, and we -- the information that we have, phil, is that they could use sea mines and they could also more kinetic attacks with, say, unmanned surface vehicles to attack ships. >> overnight russia weaponizing hunger by launching attacks on grain warehouses in the black sea port of odesa. these facilities are crucial to keeping people fed in developing nation. two people were hurt and more than 100 tons of peas and barley were destroyed. russia had already destroyed 60,000 tons of grain earlier this week. the u.n. says it could have fed more than 270,000 people. >> this was the fourth night of strikes on ukraine's major port city and it coincides with russia's decision to pull out of

a deal that allowed for the safe export of ukrainian grain. kyiv has been struggling to rappel this wave of attacks as air defenses can't cope with the types of missiles that moscow is using. alex marquardt in the ukrainian capital for us now. you were in odesa for so many of these attacks over the last several days. what can you tell us about now the fourth straight night of shelling in odesa? >> reporter: good morning. these were incredibly destructive. these strikes were just outside of the city. we stayed up all night in odesa waiting to see whether there would be a fourth barrage in a row. this set of strikes slightly different than the ones that we have seen, the three previous nights, these starting around dawn and going throughout the morning. slightly less intense as well in terms of the number of missiles that was used, but still incredibly destructive. what we know from ukrainian officials, at least seven different types of cruise missiles hitting targets,

civilian targets, civilian infrastructure, food infrastructure. this is exactly what president zelle and other officials are talking about, weaponizing hunger. the russian strikes hit grain warehouses destroying hun100 to of peas, 20 tons of barley and injuring at least two people. ukraine says that is russia's response after pull out of that grain deal earlier this week. that grain deal that was so important for ukraine, for the world's food supply. russia, however, has said that they are responding to that attack on the kerch bridge by ukraine on monday, that that brazen attack by ukraine using sea drones, but there is clear at this point that russia, after the termination or at least the suspension of this grain deal, is very much going after ukraine's food infrastructure with this fourth straight day of attacks.

guys. >> alex, this is happening as an attempted counteroffensive is ongoing. crane has started ewing the cluster munitions. you have done so much reporting on this on the ground the last week to or so. do you think this will change the narrative surrounding that counteroffensive? >> reporter: certainly the narrative that the u.s. wants to push, the biden administration arguing that simply there a shortage of artillery rounds and this is what the u.s. has to gi. it's not about the capability of the cluster munitions. ukraine needs artillery. here are artillery rounds. but there is no doubt that they do represent a significant escalation in what is capable. ukrainian officers and officials eager to get them because of how destructive they are. it's a question of how they are used. i have heard experts say they can be most effective against groupings of russian soldiers or russian equipment, less effective against trench

warfare. but what is clear is right now ukraine is struggling. this is very much an artillery fight between russia and ukraine. ukraine needs these rounds and this is what can be offered at this time. how effective they will end up being, that we have to wait and see. guys. >> all right, alex marquardt live in kyiv. thank you. and on another story, there are chilling don't in that gilgo beach murder case and a source -- the source tells cnn that investigators think that the suspect, rex heuermann, killed woman inside his long island, new york, home. he is behind bars charged with three murders. we learned some victims does appeared when his family was out of town suggesting he may have lured them to his home for dates. cpr chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller. john, this is a fascinating development here about how the investigators are trying to piece together the when and why

of all of this. and it seems like heuermann was living a double life even more than investigators have already established based on the fact that they believe that he was responsible for at least three potentially four murders. >> that's right. and, you know, we have seen in the history of serial killer cases an innate ability to compartmentalize their normal lives, family lives, job lives and then they are usually extraordinarily complex lives where they operate in a hidden identity doing these things in a way to avoid detection. this case is like a lot of those. >> i guess that's why i was surprised by potentially committing crimes in his own home. he has a family. he has a wife. it seems like they were out of town. but is that normal? that seems -- >> normal doesn't come into this. >> that's a fact. >> has it happened before?

yes. we have seen serial killers who created operating environments this their home because it offers control and privacy. in this case, they don't know this. why they suspect this is a sprong possibility is two core reasons. number one, tracking the victims' cellphones, they have three -- well, they have the four cases he is a suspect in and charged in three. but in three of those four cases, the cellphones track where they started out right to the massapequa park area of his home and then go dark. the other thing is, in all four of those cases, those were times when his wife and children were out of town, away from the house. why do something in your own house where you are going to be creating evidence? it's the one place you have plenty of time to clean up that evidence. it's the place where they call the murder kit, the things you need to tie somebody else or do the rest of the things that are allege inside this case are readily available to you. it's where a victim screaming

unlike a hotel room at 1:30 in the morning where people are going to hear that can be muffled. it's a place where, more important than all of that, you as the killer feel you are in control of the environment and the victim is not. so do they have a piece of physical evidence that ties any of these victims to his home yet? the answer is no. but they have removed a lot of things that they will be testing to sew if they can tie either the victim's presence there or evidence of the victim at that location. >> i want to get your expertise on another case we have been following having to do with tupac shakur's murder. decades old now. last night speaking to sara sidner, his brother spoke out why this investigators -- he thits it's odd it took so long to reopen this case. >> this case has been in stages. >> let me just play the sound real quick so folks can hear what he said. >> it's been 27 years.

so it doesn't seem that there has been a lot of zeal or robust investigation of this case. this individual, this theory about his connection to the case, has been floating around for years. >> he said he was a witness, right, to the shooting, but never said anything about who was the actual killer? >> yes. and that's my point. where have law enforcement been? >> that's a good question. this has all been out there. >> so he is talking about keefey d, a south side crips member who claims he was in the car. kbang leader. when tupac was shot the first time in new york city i was deputy commissioner, i was on the scene of the shooting. we looked at it as a robbery. the rap world looked at that as he was set up and it was the beginning of the east coast/west

coast war. but investigation boiled down to keefey d, the gang leader, his nephew was beaten up that night in the lobby of the mgm hotel because he had robbed a member of suge knight's crew, beaten up by suge knight and tupac shakur, and that keefey d assembled a crew and went hunting for them that night. hef an immunity deal. he has been part of investigations. he has been recorded talking about the circumstances of this. but it's been an enormously complicated case. that was done by a federal task force. this is las vegas metro pd where the murder happened, reopening the case and going back to see if they can find clues to bring it home. it's been a long time -- >> 27 years. >> and a lot of people didn't want to talk. >> a lot of twists and turns there. thanks. china-based hackers breaching the email account of the american ambassador in beijing adding to the list of

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>> if it's a matchup between biden and trump, i know exactly where i'd go i would go with joe manchin. i am one who doesn't like to use my vote for the lesser of evils. i want to be proactive in who i think could do the job. i think manchin could do the job. but will our system allow for that? that i don't know. >> and joining us now is republican governor of maryland larry hogan. the former governor, i should say. he is an honorary national co-chair of the centrist political organization no labels which is actively considering running a third-party candidate in 2024. governor hogan, thank you for joining us, as a former constituent in maryland, i made you a permanent governor there of that state. i do want to ask you though -- >> thank you, i appreciate it. good morning. >> good morning. i want to ask you about what

lisa murkowski was saying there because there was a new poll just out yesterday asking basically this question, asking voters would you consider a third-party stitt? there was a generic option, but also an option to choo manchin and a huntsman, a unity ticket, a republican and a democrat. when you look at the numbers, 75% of those polled here say no, they wouldn't consider manchin and huntsman. i mean, doesn't that undermine the real core case that no labels is trying to make to the country? >> i don't think so. look, i am not sure whether joe manchin or huntsman have any real interest in running for president and vice president. but when you look at the poll that you put up just a moment o,f you have a choice, 70% of the people in america do not want joe biden or donald trump. and not only do we have two very unpopular potential nominees, but both of them potentially facing very serious legal

troubles, most -- overwhelming majority of americans are looking for something else. when given the choice between donald trump, joe biden or neither, most americans pick neither. and it's -- look, there are 49% of the people in america right now that are registered independent. there are many, 58% of the democrats, i think, do not want joe biden to be their nominee. 50% of the republicans do not want donald trump. if we are faced with those two choices, it's very understandable why so many people in america would like to have another choice. >> so you have ruled out running for the republican nomination. but over the last couple of days your twitter account has been posting videos that some folks said strike them as almost like soft campaign style videos. are you still considering a third-party potential run for the presidency? >> it's not something that i'm considering, but as i have said a number of times, look, we are in really unprecedented,

unchartered waters where we have never been as a country and we don't know what it's going to be like left spring. i left the door cracked open. they were campaign style videos that we put out quite a while ago when i was, you know, still governor and whale we were considering one running in the republican primary. we haven't seen any overt steps to take any actions. but i am involved in no labels because i really believe in bipartisan common sense solutions and the ability to reach across the aisle, and i think we may be at the point, we don't know, but it may be time for folks to have the courage to put the country first and rather than just continue the status quo politics as usual that we are all fed up with. >> i want to talk to you -- you gr brought up former president trump's legal troubles. as you know, he is under the potential cloud of another indictment. i want to play four what former vice president mike pence said about that yesterday.

>> his reckless words on that day endangered my family and all of us at the capitol. but i am not convinced it was criminal. and i hope it -- with the possibility of another indictment coming against the president, i hope it doesn't come to that. >> if trump's words and actions endangered pence's life, threatened the peaceful transfer of power oh, do you think he should not be prosecuted as the former vice president just said? >> look, i think the law is the final arbiter of men's actions and no man is above the law. these were serious things that are taking place on january 6th. t i was very involved in it. i had leaders calling me as the next door governor begging me for help because the capitol police were overwhelmed and ununder attack and i sent the maryland state place riot team. i called up the maryland national guard and for hours there was no action going on at

the white house while we were taking action, direct action immediately over and over again. and the fact that this riotous mob took over the capitol and people, you know, say, well, it was bad but we shouldn't look into it, it's crazy to me. i think that this was one of the worst moments in american history. the next day, after i called up the national guard, maryland national guard was the first to arrive outside of d.c., maryland state police were the first to arrive, we got the situation under control with some of the allies. the next day i called on president trump to resign and to let mike pence finish out the remainder of the term and conduct a peaceful transition. so i am -- i admire mike pence. i think he did the right thing on january 6th and upheld the constitution, but i would, you know, disagree with him that we should ex couse the president's behavior because he happened to be president. >> i want to ask you about ron desantis, who is running second in the republican primary here

for that nomination. you had said recently that desantis' campaign was dropping like a rock and close to over. there has been a lot of talk about a potential reset there. do you -- where do you think he stands now? do you think he can turn things around? >> that's a great question. he, obviously, got the message and i think i was correct that the campaign was in turmoil and they were dropping and now they have decided they have to kind of retool the entire campaign and rebuild it from the ground up because sheer is a guy getting all the attention, had all the name recognition, was wall-to-wall coverage on fox news and seemed to be, with the trump base, that maybe a guy that's the next trump, and yet he has continued to falter, you know. i know he had some weaknesses personally as a candidate and within the campaign. i am glad that they are taking a look at trying to retool. so we'll see how effective that

is. obviously, you don't make drastic changes if things are going well. >> could you think the message needs to change? >> i think so. i mean, he has been trying to kind of out-trump trump and move to the right of him with the maga base. they took a look at him and then moved back to trump. even with the indictments trump's numbers went up and ron desantis' went town. 50% of the people in the republican primary don't want trump and think you need to appeal to those folks. we have 12 candidates running and so far nobody is really standing out. i am hopeful that someone with a positive hopeful vision for america will step up and be able to unify those folks that want to move, like i am, that want to move in a different direction, away from donald trump and to a more traditional, more reagan everything republican tent. >> thank you for your time this

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i have listened to him. i know him. i have no idea why anyone thinks he should be president. what i do know is, his candidacy is an embarrassment. >> he took to instagram to blast robert f. kennedy's constant stream of misinformation and endorsed joe biden in the process. congressional democrats yesterday grilled rfk jr. over controversial statements spreading vaccine misinformation and conspiracy theories claiming the people most immune to covid-19 are aush kinazzi jews. authorities investigating email attacks targeting email officials including the ambassador to china. china-based hackers breached his account in a recent intelligence gathering campaign that targeted the emails of the assistant secretary of state for east asia and commerce secretary gene a

row maupd owe. this began in may when they used a stolen sign-in key. beijing accused washington of conducting its own hacking operation. a little bit much lighter news. you supreme court justice ketanji brown jackson has added a new accolade to her resumé. she is officially a member of the divine nine. yesterday she was inducted an an honorary member during the na convention in indianapolis and in an exclu statement to cnn justice jackson said because delta cigna theta extends honorary memberships to women who made significant couldn' contributions to society it is an honor to be recognized. i am humbled to be among this year's extraordinary group of inductees. it may be unusual to see a sitting justice inducted into a sorority, but this is one of a group of nine historically black sororities and fraternities with long histories as centers of

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weekend. the highly anticipated movies "oppenheimer" and "barbie" are hitting theaters today. our sara sidner sat down with two stars of the "barbie" movie last month before, i should note, the actors went on strike and she joins us now. so, sara, a lot of people don't know this about margot robbie

she played a critical role in getting this movie to be created in the first place. what did they tell you? >> some interesting things. i asked them, i said, look, when i was a little girl, i didn't play with barbie. i was too busy jumping out of trees and trying to be better than the -- i was trying to be better than the boys all the time. i was very competitive. and margot robbie jumps up and says, me, too! and then america ferrera says, i didn't play with barbie either. and i was like, so what's with the movie? and both of them -- [ laughter ] >> that's a great follow-up. >> both of them said, this movie has heart. it will make you laugh. but it might also make you cry. it's deep. "barbie" is deep. that's what i learned. take a listen. >> margot, everyone makes barbie into who they think she is because she doesn't talk, she doesn't walk. so we use our imaginations.

how did you decide who barbie was going to be in this film? >> to be honest, gretta knew from the beginning really that she wanted barbie to have the classic hero's journey. she actually used like buddha's journey to enlightenment as a reference. okay, wow, i didn't see that coming. now that you said it, it makes perfect sense. and so suddenly she had a framework of a narrative and within that we could have conversations on so many different levels and what we wanted to do with those conversations is kind of honor the legacy that the 64 years of barbie has created, and also bring it into today's day. you know, how about -- have culturally relevant conversations. >> i have to ask, america, how deliciously ironic is it that ryan gosling's age became the thing that people were talking about, not the woman, but the

man for once? >> oh, yeah. that is ironic. i just heard that that's a thing. you know, that's the fate of the kens in barbie land is they essentially have to suffer a lot of the fate of women in the real world and, you know, it kind of highlights its stupidity, really. but, you know, the movie turns a lot of things on its head. and in my opinion, tells us more about us as humans than really, you know, a move about dolls. >> and america, you play one much few characters who is not a doll, not a barbie in the movie. you're a real-life person going through real-life challenges as a working woman. what happens when you and barbie meet finally? >> i don't want to spoil anything. >> don't spoil it. >> the moment that gloria and

barbie connect, i started, like, bawling. and it felt so beautiful that, you know, a grown woman could explore her imagination and her playfulness and really be enthusiastic about something that she loved and something that was playful and inspiring to her and that that didn't have to be in contradiction to her as a like a grown, serious, professional woman. >> i have to be honest. i was not a barbie obsessed girl. i was too busy jumping out of trees and racing boys and trying to be better than the boys. >> i was exactly -- >> did you play with barbies? >> i was not a barbie girl. were you? >> no, i was exactly like you, sara. i was like doing -- trying to beat the boys at everything. i asked my mom before this presser, do you have any pictures of me playing with barbies or opening a barbie on

christmas? it would be helpful for the upcoming press tour. she was like, no, i couldn't even get you to wear a dress. i was like -- >> i mean, a, like, we couldn't afford barbies. b, like, i don't know, just, like, didn't -- the world of barbie didn't feel like it had very much for me to be perfectly honest. but that is what is so beautiful to me about this moment and getting to be a part of this story that is expanding the world of barbie to include the rest of us and what i think the movie gives us is the permission to be more of who we are. that, like, barbie gets to -- we are all barbie and barbie gets to be whatever the hell barbie wants to be. >> margot, what are you hoping to impart to the audience with this film? >> the feeling of, like, yes, it's, like, you want to do this and you want to be a good am mom and you want to be a good friend and you want to be a good husband and you want to be an ally and actsvist and do your job and get through the day and

blah, blah, blah. all of that off your shoulders and just say, you know, you are already doing great. you are doing great because you are you and that is enough. that's what i would give. >> it's like the erasing of im pos ear syndrome, right? we all suffered from that, women more than anyone else. so that's a beautiful thing. did the barbie sleepover happen? i heard that the director was lake, you guys need to have this? >> yeah. and it was so much fun. we had a barbie sleepover. the kens were invited to visit, not to stay over, obviously. we all wore our pajamas and ordered room service and shared beds and played gaimd games and discovered how incredibly competitive america is. >> talk about the bagpipes. and then recite the speech -- >> that happened. >> what? >> it was just amazing.

>> if that doesn't bond you, i don't know what does. >> was it an inside joke? >> no. there was no -- >> no connection at all. >> was he trying to say freedom? you must have been trying to say something. >> i feel like he was rallying. it was right before we were -- >> it was like a -- yeah, a rallying war cry perhaps, yeah. >> ladies, i actually was, like, oh, am i going to see the barbie. the way you described it, it's something i think that girlfriends could go to together and buddies could go together with the kids and just enjoy the ride. >> it's a party and everyone is invited. . all right. spoiler alert. here is a lesson you will learn from this movie because i may or nra may not have seen it. being human is hard. being a female human is even harder. but it's worth it. >> that's a great moral of the story. >> that's my zen for the morning. barbie is deep. >> i have a theory about the

bagpipes. i heard that story before. maybe it was like a primal male scream, like they weren't -- the kens were not allowed at the sleepover, so they really had the "braveheart" heart thing? >> that fits. that completely fits. >> can i weigh in? >> nobody is talking -- >> do tell us, ken. >> stop. what i will say is, like, that move from, like, a leadership perspective to me is, like, oh, yeah, that's totally dope, and then i hear them describe t i was like, wow, that's super weird. told you that's not cool regardless of audience, but particularly with that audience. >> i need to remind people, this is a warner bros. discovery program. we are also owned by warner bros. discovery. but -- and they did it, obviously, before the strike because this is not -- you are not allowed to sort of promote things. so that's where we are. i enjoyed it. >> that being said, we love your barbie pink. >> thank you.

>> thank you for gracing us with your presence. >> oh, wait. >> i was going to say, we were pausing and waiting to get -- there you go. >> barbie cake pop. >> we need this. >> this is happiness. >> this is it. >> thank you, sara. >> all right. there is another important film that's coming out. most blockbusters when it comes this film use a lot of cgi. another big release this summer, the new indiana jones movie, a computer generated harrison ford to make him look 40 years younger. in the "mission: impossible" movie this is real, but the ramp ted cruz used was painted. but in "oppenheimer" christopher nolan said there are no cgi shots, including the first ever test explosion of the nuclear bomb. >> we wanted imagery that has beauty but threat to it.

graphics can feel safe. that's why they are tough to use in horror movies, for example. but challenging my team to use real methods, some tiny, some vast, that, i think, gives the imagery the bite that it needs. >> it's worth noting this isn't new for noel nl. he made a career of it. in one of the most iconic moments of "the dark knight," he flips a semi-truck end over end for the scene and later he did this. >> again, the truck flip and this hospital explosion were using practical effects. for "the batman" trilogy, the

external shots of this open airplane sequence were shot practically, including this. >> calm down. now is not the time for fear. >> ooh! >> and in 2010's "inception" he built in for a dream within a dream fight scene. >> in the movie "interstellar," nolan filmed these scenes on this melting fwlash in iceland. the most recent movie, "tenant," he crashed a real 747 more insisting it was more indonesia ent than using c g i.

this is all completely fascinating. a little bit different than "barbie." you can see "oppenheimer" and the total and complete lack of cgi today. >> that's super interesting, phil. thank you for that. up next for us, the u.s. women's -- take the field tonight in the -- as they begin their quest to be the first country to win three world cups in a row. men or women. our next guest knows a thing or two winning the world cup, the legendary breonna scurry joins us next.

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♪ i gotta good feeling about this, yeah ♪ ♪ i'm with it ♪ ♪ i gotta good feeling about this ♪ ♪ yeah, ♪ ♪ so let's get it ♪ ♪ i'm feeling good vibes ♪ in just a few hours the u.s. national soccer team, the women's team, is set to make their appearance at the world cup and joining us now on that is former goal keeper for the u.s. team briana scurry. it was her save during the pechb

alt kicks that helped the team win the world cup in '99. she is also a two time olympic gold medalist. thank you for joining us. there's so much pressure as i'm sure you know on this team today and right now to become the first to win three world cups in a row. how important is this first game for them in setting the tone? >> the first game is absolutely critical, it sets the tone, like you said. you want to come into that first game and literally blow the doors off the opponent and also make a statement in your group and throughout the tournament that shows that the usa is ready to go. vladko normally has a little bit of rotation in his starting lineup to todays starting 11 may not be the same as the starting lineup for the netherlands. but it's critical. >> there are a number of top veterans on the team that everybody will know but there's also just a core group of younger players, don't have certainly a lot of, i think, public attention before now, if you are not in kind of the world

on the scene but are hugely talented. who should they be watching? >> yes, there's 14 newcomers out of 23 players on the roster this time around. so i would definitely look out for trinity rodman and she is the trinity rodman, you know, dennis rodman's daughter, she's very good. she's exceptional. also sophia smith also up top with trinity, she is a fantastic player this is her first time. also who is really critical in my opinion are the two center backs allen na cook and naomi germa who will be playing in front of alyssa nar the former captain and stall water, becky got injured so two rookies will be playing critical center back positions. >> all right. briana, we will all be watching tonight as the u.s. women's team hits the grass on the field. thank you for joining us. >> thank you.

>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. and we have breaking news, sad breaking news this morning music icon tony bennett has died at the age of 86. chloe melas joins us now. legend feels like an understatement to some degree when you talk about tony bennett. what more can you tell us? >> yes, i mean, incredibly sad news for people all over the world this morning. tony bennett has died at the age of 96. his publicist sylvia whiner, his long-time publicist, confirming this morning. you know, this comes as a shock to many. he lived a long, beautiful life. i had the honor of meeting him when he turned 90 and performed in new york at the rainbow room. we don't know the circumstances of his death, but we know that he had been battling alzheimer's for the past several years. his wife susan bennett, she actually told aarp magazine in 2021 that despite the

alzheimer's, he was continuing to perform, put out music, you know, obviously we know that he toured and put out albums with lady gaga. i have reached out to her and i'm sure that this is obviously a devastating loss for her. they were just so close. but his career spanned decades from the early 1950s and frank sinatra is someone who touted him as one of the greatest voices of a generation. so, you know, meeting tony bennett, there's just nothing like it and he was so charismatic, so kind and just obviously so talented and so it's a very sad day for everyone who had the closure of meeting him, knowing him or just loving his music to know that he has passed at his home in new york at the age of 96. >> yeah, and this is -- this is a legend really whose career spans many, many decades, going all the way back to the 1940s.

as you were talking, chloe, we were playing some of that video of tony bennett as he was making one of his last performances, maybe even the last with lady gaga. he was able to even in his final years as he was battling alzheimer's still perform and really give the audience what they've always loved about him, which is his ability to perform music. lady gaga really identified with him, bringing him into this modern era. we have with us now anderson cooper on the phone. anderson, you've spent some time with tony bennett. what are you thinking about today as we mark his passing? >> well, it just -- i mean, what an extraordinary life. i had the honor of doing a row profile of tony and his wife susan and -- for "60 minutes" when he did his final shows with lady gaga that you were just

talking about and i got to spend a significant amount of time with him, i was in his apartment watching him rehearse with his long-time accompanyist. he has lived an extraordinary epic life. there are a lot of people that don't know the details of his life. his service to the country during the war. he was one of the early artists involved in the civil rights movement. in a very serious way, marching, performing. he sacrificed a lot over the years for that, but, you know, i think his most extraordinary performances and the last three performances that he did at radio city with lady gaga i think everybody who was there knew that they were witnessing something really just incredible. that this man who much of his memory was gone, when i was interviewing him i would be talking to him and, you know, he

would not remember what he had just said, he would not remember certainly who i was sitting there talking to him, but his wife susan all during covid kept him engaged, kept him -- kept him alive and kept him tony bennett and in the end tony bennett knew who tony bennett was when alzheimer's had robbed him of many of his -- of his extraordinary life. he knew inherently in his mind still that he was tony bennett and when that music started to play, he would -- you could see him transforming into tony bennett once again. i sat -- i stood there by the piano in his apartment while he was rehearsing and i just interviewed him and it had been a very difficult interview because he could only say a few sentences and clearly didn't, you know, really know why we were there, but as soon as his piano player started playing a

few bars, he trotted up to the piano with this -- this incredible energy, put his elbow on the piano and he just launched into an hour-long set of all his greatest hits without any sheet music, nothing, it was all from memory and it was all -- you know, and it was one of the most extraordinary experiences of my life to stand there and watch him. suddenly while he was singing, because i was standing by the piano with him, he was looking at me and relating to me as tony bennett. if i didn't know better i would have thought he knew exactly who i was and why i was there and engaging -- he was engaging with me in a way through the music that he couldn't do in any other way. so it's such a -- it's a sad day, of course, you know, we've all lost one of the great artists of our time and yet what a triumphant life. to have -- you know, the message that he sent to so many families out there who had people, loved

ones with alzheimer's, you know, his message of hope and his message of possibility, that he could still have a vibrant life because of the love of his life, susan, his son danny, all his -- all his kids, and i'll never forget the last performance that i had the privilege of being at back stage with him at radio city music hall just a short time before he went on, he was in the back and he turned to susan and he didn't know exactly where he was and he said, you know, what are we doing? and she said, you know, you're performing tonight, in like ten minutes. and he said, great. and she said, let's go over the set, and he said, great. and she did, they went over what numbers he was going to do. he went back -- he went, standing in the wings, i was standing there with him, and as soon as -- and he was watching lady gaga perform on stage because she was -- he did a set, then she did a set and he would come out at the end and she would come out at a certain point with him.

watching lady gaga you could see like the music just flowing into him and he started tapping his feet and clinging his fingers together. he went out, he killed it out there. he went out there with his first words -- the crowd erupted, his first words were wow and they just loved it. did he his whole set and then the first two nights when lady gaga had come out, he had said like, wow, look who is here, but he hadn't said her name. i talked to lady gaga about it afterward and she felt that in the moment on the stage those first two nights he didn't remember her name, but -- and while they were rehearsing in the weeks leading up to it she was concerned that he didn't remember her name, but on that final night when she came out and he turned and he saw her coming out, he said, wow, lady gaga. and she burst into tears. i mean, everybody just burst into tears. it was just an extraordinary night. i mean, what a life we have been able to witness and benefit from

over all these decades. >> anderson, cnn has now confirmed that tony bennett has died. we are expecting a statement shortly. that "60 minutes" piece that you did was incredibly poignant. i remember when lady gaga was kind of describing -- it was almost like a switch flipped and then you demonstrated it. a great point, the life lived, civil rights in particular, obviously his military service. can you capture what he was not just those last performances but just overall? >> this was a kid who, you know, didn't have much when he was born and had a family that, you know, loved him and that supported him, but he had -- he created who he was and he -- you know, he was all about music, from the beginning to the end, and, you know, his son danny was an incredible manager for him, you know, reintroduced him to whole new generations of people

over the decades in the 1980s and the 1990s doing due wets with some of the greatest contrary artists of the day. you can't talk about tooichbt without talking about susan, his wife, who loved him her entire life basically, grew up listening to his music and was just an incredible, incredible champion and partner in all of this. my thoughts are certainly with his family today and with tony. you know, there's -- you know, wherever he is, he's still singing and thank god we have his music and we have his voice and i will be listening to him today. >> and thank you, anderson, for your beautiful reflections of him as well. we will have much more on this story and all of the breaking news on "cnn news central" which starts right now