performed. i left my heart in san francisco. [music] >> 55 years earlier. and to celebrate bennett's 95th birthday. [music] >> tony bennett performed one last time. sharing the stage with lady gaga at radio city music hall. [music] making his swansong and his hollow hall. [music] >> leaving a lasting legacy. he was 96.>> your golden son ♪ ♪ wall shine on me.♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [cheering] ♪ ♪ [music] >> chloe morelos, cnn. >> anchor: it's amazing how his voice never grow old. thank you so much for joining us on this friday. ac 360 start right now.

>> tonight, the former president legal slate grows as a judge such a trial date in the documents case. one of four civil and criminal trials. donald trump now faces two more still in the cards. also judge grove enjoins us to remember tony bennett. who could swing with the best parts were saying even better and kept on doing for eight decades. even in the depths of alzheimer's. as present look at when a republican long shot vic one was lobby goes missing in scf trump voters. good morning, scott came here. in anderson today. starting is off, the former president of the day. one that he hoped had been hoping that would be never. and as we will detail tonight, he still trying to put it off past the next election. today, judge adrian cannon said trump's trial on 37 documented counts could begin as early as the 20th of next me with a pulmonary hearing the week before. his lawyers wanted to postpone

it in deftly. jack smith was asking for this december. splitting the difference, judge cannon also had to threaten her way between three other federal and state civil and criminal trials to former president is facing. this october. next january, and then again in march. paula rejoins us now live with the very latest, paula, what can you tell us about this trial date that the judge has now set? >> john, i was in federal court on tuesday and the lawyers were arguing about this issue and it's clear. the central conflict in this case right now is timing. when this case goes before a jury ããthe defense attorneys were insisting that it would be unfair to do this trial before the election. and they said that it's premature to even set a trial date. the prosecutors argue that even if former president trump is running for the white house ãã you should be treated like any other busy and important american.so we see the judge

kind of split the difference here. setting a may 2024 trial date, which also in her order included a very detailed schedule. everything that has to happen between now and a trial. and it's easy to see how this could slip if a few of those deadlines are delayed. and again, the trump team said they are confident that they will be able to push this back before the election. now ããright now it's unclear if this will happen. they spoke with experts on john and they do not expect this to happen this year. >> we watch this play out. we did this just not too long ago from the attorney just added to the trump legal team. what's the most important thing that he said when you look at the strategy for what comes next. >> comes to the january 6 special counsel investigation, the former president has added a new lawyer. john lauro and i yesterday was the deadline for trump to go before the grand jury. and his new lawyer weighed in on why trump declined the invitation. >> does not need to appear in front of any grand jury right

now. president trump did absolutely nothing wrong. he's done nothing criminal. and he's made his case that he was entitled to take these positions as president of the united states when he saw all these election discrepancies and irregularities going on. he did what any president was required to do.>> now that the deadline has passed for the former president to go before the grand jury ããjohn an indictment can come any day. there'll be no even if the former president is indicted in the coming days. the special counsel's work will continue.we know they have interviews scheduled to the summer. interestingly, john lauro was advocating for cameras in the courtroom, but we know the cameras are not allowed in any federal courtroom, but john, regardless of the motivation, you are all here for more transparency the federal court system. >> yes, more transparency. and you have one of the toughest jobs in the business. keeping track of all these many complicated cases. we will see another one perhaps

around the corner, paula reed protected so much for this get some perspective now joins the former federal prosecutor, jessica roth. she currently teaches at the court also school of law new york. professor, you just heard paula read going through reporting for the trump team, even though judge kenneth said no. we will delay little bit, but not what you would like. they think that they can push past the election. you think that's possible? >> it is possible. and it's probably more likely than not that it would be pushed back further. there's lots of emotions as they are planning to file. they've early indicated in court and in public statement that the public nation of those motions. some of them include challenging the authority of the special counsel. to bring this prosecution. arguing that the presidential records act is a defense here. they will relegate issues of attorney-client privilege. most of those are losers. but the judges gonna have to decide them and there are more substance motions with respect

to the use of classified information including what can be used in court. and how it's can be presented in court.south ããthere are a lot of motions that the courts can have to decide. so really, the question that i am interested in is how promptly the judges gonna rule on those motions when the judge is submitted to her and how she can hold the defenses feet to the fire in keeping to the schedule that she is set? if she's committed to keeping the schedule that she has except to the extent possible ã ãi still think there's a window for this trial to happen in may. it's a reasonable schedule. and it is consistent with how similar trials have been handled and scheduled in similar cases in the past. and it's consistent with the extent of the discovery here. in the real issues that you have to be litigated about the use of classified information. >> so, we will get more clues as we smartly know. when we get to the motions and how quickly she rolls and presses and tries to keep the train on the current track.

this judge would be under a ton of scrutiny anyway because of the consequences of this case pick because she's a trump appointee and previous special master ruling that was overturned, even more scrutiny. heidi read into and what you read into the fact that she did not delay the trial indefinitely as the trump defense team wanted? jack smith did not get what he wanted either, but the trump team did not get after the election for. >> i took her ruling today setting the schedule that she did as a very positive sign. i think everybody was watching to see if she was going to grant trump's motion to postpone the trial. indefinitely. and it's always think it's important that she did not. she said the schedule. it's a trial to death later than the prosecution wanted. after most of the republican primaries or the most important ones. but it's before the general election and she very clearly said in her order that she did not see any reason why she couldn't set a schedule now. including the fact that the defendant was currently running

for president. she did not see that as a reason why she cannot set a schedule. so ããi took as a very positive sign. in light of the context and the prior rulings that you just mentioned.which had raised real concerns about whether she was affording preferential treatment to former president trump. so ããi think the question going forward is will she try to her best effort? to hold everybody to the schedule? >> put your former prosecutor hat back on for me for a moment here. you know ããspecial counsel team says these are serious offenses and serious crimes. we need to get these into the court. it's a speedy trial. it's also right in the middle or presidential election cycle. does that factor in? do they check the republican primary calendar? as they are making this or they just signed blinders straight ahead, here we go. >> have been very impressed by how the special counsel team really has just been doing the work before them as prosecutors. we see that with respect to the fact that they are not leaking.

that they are just doing the job of prosecutors not talking to the press other than when announcing the indictment. special counsel date with respect to this ããthis indictment. so ããi think they are just doing what they think is appropriate in terms of the calendar for this case. they are obviously aware of the political season and are determined to get this case tried as soon as they possibly can. so that it can be brought. because of course, if it's not tried until after the election ããit may never be brought. >> that's an excellent point there. the clinical part of that. if trump does when the election ããi appreciate the legal important legal insights. so i will continue in the political question is we get perspective now from two legendary mystic journalists. best set sellers must give editor. bob woodward is with us tonight. his most recent book is a collection of conversations titled the trump takes part bob woodward's 20 interviews with

president donald trump it also called bernstein his chasing history. in the newsroom for gentlemen, welcome to you both. grateful for your time on this david bob, let me start with you. just focus on the unprecedented nature of that. four trials on the calendar. we've been talking about right here. four trials judge candace scheduling now for me in the middle of an election year. historical context.nothing like this, right? >> there is no question about that. it's hard to keep ããi see you put a calendar up there. it's going to change. i think you have to think a little bit about what is at the core of this and not just the documents case, but now the investigation into january 6. and at the core is trump's claim that the election was stolen from him. there was this massive fraud. if you look at some of this and when i did the book parallel with robert positive, we were able to get the documents that rudy giuliani, who was trump's lawyer said to lindsay graham trump supporter ããsomebody who was chairman of the senate

judiciary committee at that time and if you look at these documents and we have thick packets of them ããin one point ããi mean ããthis is astonishing. the claim by giuliani and this is january 4 ããtwo days before the january 6 insurrection. giuliani says in nevada 42,000 registered voters voted more than once. now think about that. we do voting in this country by precinct. how do you vote more than once? you walk in and present and say what the book again? [laughter] can't untangle this and when you look at it ããthere are in fact ããzero people, who voted more than one time.in another allegation in this ããthat giuliani makes. this is the president's lawyer. saying in wisconsin 226 thousand incarcerated prisoners local and state and federal. 226,000 people, who are incarcerated voted on election day. november 3. now ããdo you remember the stories about the massive jailbreak in wisconsin? that day? there were zero ããnot 220

test is not even a single person was incarcerated voted. so you get into looking at the basis of this. ããit's not factual. it's made up. and lindsay graham's chief counsel lee holmes investigated this holmes came to my house with all the documents and weeks of investigation and he said this is lindsay graham's person. none of it is true. it is all false. it is concocted. it is concocted and that will be part of if we get into the second case, jackson smith, that will be part of it. >> they knew that it was concocted and they knew it was bogus and they kept going. carl, let's come back though to where we are right now and

seeking the delight of the classified documents case per you've covered donald trump a long time delay. using about every story when it comes to donald trump and legal peril. this is what they do. they try to delay things but but the classified documents case, you are well aware of the sensitivity there. there are more legitimate issues if you will.do you know, your things out or who can see what it doesn't really have the clearances to do this? what do we say in court in front of the public? how do you see this delay question playing out? >> donald trump as somebody who has tried to evade and break the law throughout his life. since he was a young man. and the life course has been a constant tactic since he was taught the basics of how to break the law and evade the law by his lawyer, roy cohen. but i think we need to cut to the chase here about what all of these proceedings are about. they are about a criminal president of the united states, who attempted a coup. who tried to take over the legitimate functions of

government by staging a coup so that his lawfully elected successor cannot take office. what we have, bob and i wrote in the 50th anniversary edition of all the presidents moving forward. largely about the criminal president, richard nixon and the criminal president, donald trump. and the greatest danger is obviously from trump. what is he?he's the first seditious president of the united states. a president who attempted to foment an insurrection to stop the legitimate transfer of power and functioning of the united states government. listen to mitch mcconnell, the republican leader said that day. after january 6 and only one person was morally and practically responsible for this insurrection. donald trump. so ããlet's keep our eye on the facts as bob said and what it's about. the republican party ããwhich historically has done the right

thing in the moment of joe mccarthy. the great demigod. demagogue did do the right thing in watergate. forced richard nixon from office. are they going to allow an insurrection of seditious president to carry our democracy into a terrible horrible place, where it has never gone? >> i'm gonna ask you both to sit tight. we will continue the conversation after a quick break. i would like to get d wimore of your thoughts on this january 6 related charges that carl was just alluded to. thatat could possibly happen an day could we are waiting on the grand jury there. later, some of anderson's remarkable visits with the great tonyt he bennett. my own conversation with josh grogan aboutake what it was li to harmonize with one of the [music] est of all time.

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schedule a free consultation. >> we are talking to me with bubble burden carl weinstein. forward and would be president with the court docket that's already long and could be even longer if the special counsel jack smith secures what could be his next indictments. bob, to that point, one play click here from the former president's new attorney, john laurel. he appeared on fox news today.

here's what he said about what the former president still president at the time donald trump wanted after the 2020 election. >> the only thing the president trump asked is a pause in the counting justice of the seven contested states could either re-audit recertified. i've never heard of anybody getting fitted for asking for an audit. what president trump was looking for was the truth. was to find out exactly what happened in those seven contested states. that's just not criminal. >> bob, you've extent deadly ã ãextensively reported on this issue. had all those conversations with the former president. does what you not match what you just heard? >> well, carl is absolutely right. this was a coup and there is a coup memo that was written literally by one of trump's attorneys, john eastman, the famous eastman memo, one of your colleagues, jamie yandell got it and ran it on cnn. and in it ããeastman says there are seven states with contested electors. mike lee, the republican senator from utah. a big trump supporter.

he started looking into this and discovered there were absolutely zero states with contested electors.he was quite upset about this. senator lee actually sent me the coup memo saying that it is unsupported. senator lee ããwhen the certification of biden finally came after january 6 went to the senate flora and said there's nothing to this. lindsay graham said nothing to it at all. [laughter] these are trump supporters, who back trump and investigated and found nothing. >> and steer point ããit will be interesting to see if they

can make this case in a court of law that they make publicly where they are not under oath. as mr. lord talked about could audits were done for the recounts were done.all that was done.all the court challenges were done. yes, the president had those rights to make this cases been there all done by january 6. he had lost them all. to that point carl, as we look forward ããthe former president on the radio earlier this week suggested that quote a passionate group of voters would be more dangerous than in 2020. if he were imprisoned during the election, what you make of that? >> i make of that that once again that he's threatening his people are going to go into the streets and riot and hurt people and this can be a great movement that in his favor that is can be violent and the threat of violence is somehow going to help him in the court after etc. etc. let's just mention mike pence for one minute. and his coup attempts. listen to what mike pence was told by the president of the united states.

to stop the certification of the duly elected electors to the electoral college meeting on january 6 that indeed the president of the united states clear as can be telling the vice president to break the law. let's not have a lawful transfer of power. we have to look at and forget mr. laura there for a minute but we have to look at the unprecedented nature of a president of the united states fomenting insurrection. the overthrow of legitimate government in this country. it never happened in the white house before.that's what this is about. and republicans above all should be terrified of allowing this president to get away with it. >> and yet, the overwhelming majority are quite silent. even as ããeven if you support trump. you think about the fact that this is going to play out in the middle with presidential campaign. which trump thinks might be good for him.

we will see as it plays at present one, we will continue this conversation in the weeks and months ahead. carl bernstein and bob woodward print just ahead, where member the life and amazing legacy of an amazing icon. the legendary singer, tony bennett died today at the age of 96 pretty anderson cooper joins us on what is supposed to be a day off for him to remember the man he met, interviewed, and anderson will share how, despite a diagnosis of alzheimer's, tony bennett could still remember the songbook and still, mesmerized an audience. [music]

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>> tony bennett's remarkable career spanned eight decades. 19 grammy awards port multiple generations of fans. his voice, his smile, his presence were iconic and timeless. allowing him to work with stars of every era from rosemary clooney ããlady gaga. she was also an accomplished painter in addition to his legendary career, he was an activist an important activist even walking with doctor martin luther king jr. in the 1965 selma to montgomery civil rights arch. tony bennett died today at the age of 96. after a year-long battle with alzheimer's receipts. anderson cooper joins us now on what's supposed to be his day off to discuss his remarkable interview with bennett for 60 minutes when the singer was

already suffering from alzheimer's. anderson, thanks for joining us on your day off. truly amazing profile. you did for 60 minutes per you got to sit down with him and his loving wife and his caretaker susan. i watched tony bennett rehearsed his performances at radio city musical.lady gaga. what were your impressions? what you learned from that time spent with this icon? >> it was extraordinary. we did not know how was can ago. he was 95 at the time. it was in the month before the concerts were to take place. he was just about to start practicing with lady gaga. they not seen each other in a while. and i sat down with tony in his home with his wife susan. for an interview and quickly realized just how difficult having a conversation with him was backstage and yet ãã minutes after our talk finished. he was gonna rehearse for the show. he went to go to the bathroom. his piano player and longtime accompanist started playing a

few chords on the piano of the song ããtony trotted out literally sort of half running stood at the piano, put his elbow on the piano and without being told what the song was asked if there is no music or no prompting. he just launched into the first song and he did an hour set standing in front of me enough ããfour feet away from me on the other side of the piano. and was so engaged with me while he was singing. while that music was alive in him. he was telling the story. he was telling me a story through the songs. and he would look at me and look at me and i knew he did he didn't know what was mama but in that moment i believed he knew because he knew he was tony bennett and tony bennett was the consummate performer the matter what was happening in his life. no matter how tough things were for him and his 70 plus year career. in that moment ããhe was able to be himself.even though he was in the late stages of alzheimer's. it was ããjust an incredible amount of strength. and just an incredible ending to an incredible life and

career. >> lets us into a little piece of what you did for 60 minutes because it's remarkable. >> he spends much of his time in his new york apartment looking through books and old photos. >> what are these of? >> we met tony and his wife susan in june. a few weeks before his 95th birthday. >> is that bob hope? >> they sent that for your 75th birthday.and in a month and and a half ããyou can be 95. how about that? >> that's amazing! [laughter] >> d.phil. 95? >> you don't look at. >> how old you feel tony? >> 95. [laughter] >> on opening night in early august, radio city's 6000 seats were sold out. >> it was tony's 95th birthday. [music] [cheering] and his fans were waiting. >> happy birthday tony! >> after a few days of that triumph, we met tony and susan on their daily walk in central

park. >> how you feel about the concert the other night? >> are you happy? >> i don't know what you mean. >> i saw you at radio city. you did a great job. >> thank you very much. >> tony had no memory of playing radio city at all. >> was this a sad story? tony bennett's last performance? >> no, it's not a sad story. it's emotional. it's hard to watch somebody change. i think what has been beautiful about this and what's been challenging is to see how it affects him in some ways. but to see how it does not affect his talent. i think he really pushed through something to give the world the gift of knowing that things can change. and you can still be magnificent! >> anderson, who were there that night. that special night when tony

bennett on his 95th birthday performed at radio city with lady gaga. we must remember? >> i was standing next to him as he was about to go out on the stage for that last time. and he was watching lady gaga perform. because she was doing a set before him. and if units before our cameras had seen him backstage and he did not even know where he was. he didn't know he was about to go out on stage. even though he was ready to go and all dressed and everything could and susan, his incredible wife briefed him on what songs were in the set. but backstage ããas soon as he came backstage where i was and he was looking out through the wings at gaga on stage ããyou could feel the music just starting to pulse through him. literally ããyou could see him come alive. he went out on the stage. i mean, he killed it.and then this incredible thing happened on the third night, which lady gaga told me later. he had not said his name her name to him.

he had not said hello gaga. he lady gaga. all the time that they were rehearsing. and she was not sure he knew who she was. or robert her name.and at the final night of their final performance ããshe comes out for the final songs and he goes and turns and sees her and his eyes lit up and said wow and then he paused. and he goes lady gaga. and you could see her just ãã i mean ããthe tears came and everybody in the audience. i mean literally ãã [indiscernible] it was incredible. it's one of the great amazing career blessings that i've had to be there that night. and to be there with him in the days ahead of his incredible performances. and also a blessing to see the relationship he had with his wife susan, with his same danny, who was his manager and kept him current and you know, a vital and just as susan did and his whole family and his doctor guy to debbie.

and lady gaga. god bless her for the work that she did with him and the energy she gave him. >> the way that you describe it in the emotions that you show and share. add poignancy to the point that we had there the end of 60 minutes were you asked lady gaga. his friend. a colleague, but a friend of it was a sad story. and she gave that beautiful answer. would you learn about that from his friends and his loved ones about how they viewed him in the best of days, but even as he struggled? >> i mean ããlook, alzheimer's is ããwe all know that it's a horrible, horrible illness and it's horrible for the person who has it. but even more so perhaps in some ways for the people around them and the people who love them and nina ããyes, he was tony bennett and get resources and a beautiful apartment overlooking central park. but you know ããsusan was his caretaker and primary caretaker

for the years of his life. and all during covid ããthey were isolated and she kept him ããshe kept him focused on these concerts. she kept him focused on what he loved to do. he would put on shows in their living room. just her and him and the accompanist and all during covid, when nobody else was listening. and so ããto me, it is a story of yes. a remarkable man and an extraordinary career. but it's also a story of what the human mind is capable of. even when so much is stripped away. tony bennett knew who he was in his core and who he was was a remarkable performer. that never left him. it never left him. and the love of the people around him. it surrounded him and they never left him either. >> anderson cooper, anderson, i really appreciate your time tonight. an express be resting and relaxing, and have some peace,

but i could see how much it means to. >> it's hard to talk about. >> i can see that. thank you. the singer and songwriter, josh grogan shares withw ca us to sh his memories of tony bennett. grogan shares withw ca us to sh his memories of tony bennett. [music] fi yours at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. ( ♪ )

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that work. my next guest is josh.♪ ♪ [music] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> stars in the sky.♪ ♪ make my wish come true.♪ ♪ for the night as full and ♪ ♪ let the music play.♪ ♪ [music] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ as long as there is a song ♪ ♪ to sing.♪ ♪ and we will stay younger ♪ ♪ then spring.♪ ♪ [music] >> i'm joined now by the singer-songwriter, josh gruber. josh, thank you so much for joining us, especially under the sad circumstances but we just played some of that duet

there with tony bennett performing this is all i ask. what can you tell us about what it was like recording with him? >> singing with tony bennett was a master class to say the least. he came from an error where everything was in the room. listening is the most important thing. everything was about interpretation. everything was about telling the story and the most honest and granite way possible. that clip was not a set up. that was our session. all musicians were in there with us. you noticed also that we do not have any headphones on. you like to hear everything just in the room. we had a few little speakers in there, but otherwise he just wanted to hear it as we were doing and could not think of a more fitting new york than that one that we just played through the way that he just embrace life and music and embrace the

way that he worked with other artists. >> so what is it like to first get that call? even for someone as accomplished and successful as you and say hey, would you like to do a duet with the one and only tony bennett? [laughter] >> it's you know, you have to ã ãin many ways, suppress the part of you that's freaking out because you realize that you have a very big job to do.but it also helps ããsometimes they say don't meet your heroes because you don't want to be disappointed in the case of tony bennett. i just had a feeling that it was absolutely correct that he was going to be one of the kindest souls that i had ever collaborated with. he knew the power that he had an influence that he had on younger singers. and he took that influence with such an enormous amount of grace and gratitude. and you know, one of the first things that i asked him when i stepped into the room with him. he knew i was nervous.no matter where we are in life,

standing in front of him with a microphone is nerve-racking. he asked a lot of questions about, you know, what drives me. what are my passions? and i asked him the same thing. at the time that i recorded that with him when he was in his 80s, he said you know, i get up and i'm still ããi still have the fire to find new things and new places to put my voice. to find new ways to interpret songs, new songs, old songs. he never stopped wanting to be a student. i think one of the things that felt very much like a student in that moment ããto know that the teacher in that moment also had that spark to keep learning with something that i will carry on with me forever. >> so ããwhat in your view was the secret sauce that allowed him to stay so relevant. i was born in 1963. i remember in the late 60s and early 70s that my dad had an old crackup patrol and he would play tony bennett and walk around the house thinking that he could sing like tony bennett. he was good. he wasn't quite that good. there are 50 years later for nearly 50 years later you are's

on stage performing with tony bennett. how did he stay so relevant? how did he keep the energy talked about? the desire to learn new things and trendy things all the time? >> because what he did in the gift that he had was classic and it was timeless. and he had the wherewithal to know that. he knew the for every decade that he was at the top of his game ããhe knew that the fads of those moments were just that. and that the important thing was to stay true to that spark of inspiration that he had the voice that he knew he had and the way that he could tell a story like nobody else. he knew that that was his forever his guiding light and he continually pushed away outside influence to change for younger crowd or different crowd or a cooler head or whatever. >> wheels can you share? professional touch of the brilliance of tony bennett? >> one of the things that he was asking me ããbecause there are parts of my music and his music the overlap in parts that don't. and he was interested in some of the classical training.

he was a real ãthough she was really passionate about vocal training and he was asking me what my warm-ups are and he was asking me what i like to sing before song to get myself in the right headspace and vocal zone and he loved listening to opera singers pretty love listening to classical music. vocal technique was something that was really really important to him. and something sometimes when you think about the crooning and the interpretation of these songs ããyou think about it being very loose. but he had that extraordinary ability to be very loose and playful with his interpretation, but also had this ããjust absolute focus and attention to detail about his vocal technique. so ããi cannot believe that he was asking me what my warm-ups work. [laughter] because i was just thinking to myself ããi don't know. tony ããwhat skills do you do in the shower because these are mine. again, just curious you know? and god willing, you know, to be able to, you know, stay

curious for the entirety of such a legendary career is just such a gift. and so ããi am so happy we get to share that. >> amen. such a gift. well put. josh gruber, thank you for your time tonight. thank you. >> thanks for having me. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> and neneurologist ust i'm not even alzheimemer's could silence the musisic. inside himim. king[music] ♪ ♪ we're carvana the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100 percent online now we've created a brand new way for you to sell your car whether it's a yeaold, or a few years old we want to buy your car so go to carvana enter your license plate answer a few questions and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds when you're ready we'll come to you pay you on the spot and pick up your car that's it so ditch the old way of selling your car and say hello to the new way at carvana hi, i'm jill and i've lost 56 pounds on golo. hi, i'm barry and i've lost 42 pounds. jill and i are a team.

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a bit earlier we played a portion of anderson cook cooper's 60 minute enter view. bennetts neurologist diagnosed him with alzheimer's an spoke with anderson on how bennett would perform even as his memory failed. >> people respond differently depending on their strengths. in tony's case, it's his musical memory, it his ability to be a performer, those are innate and hard wired part of his brain so even though he doesn't know what

the day might be or where his apartment is, he could still sing the whole reptory of the american song book and move people. >> dr. debbie, thank you for being here tonight, sorry it's under these terrible, sad circumstances. tony's alzheimer's case as you explained in that "60 minutes" interview was remarkable. even to you as a neurologist, who knows so much about this. how was he able to flip that switch and perform after such a diagnosis. >> well, you know, this is just a testament to the human brain and the beauty of it, and the remarkable nature of it. i remember sitting in the audience at radio city and we had been gearing up for this big performance and up until the very end, i knew he could do it, and until he did it, and boy,

how well did he do that, for his 95th birthday at radio city music hall to a sold out cloud, he delivered with alzheimer's disease, a completely solid performance, he got a standing ovation, but, up until the very end we weren't really sure if he was going to be completely able to perform as flawlessly as he did. and he did. and i remember i was sitting next to a physician friend of mine and she said to me, what do you mean he has dementia? he doesn't have dementia, there's no sign of it. and i thought, that's one down for us, that's a goal. >> that's remarkable and following up on that from a neurological stand point, you think that singing specifically acti activates a lot of the brain, the sound and singing of music, what is it about the power of singing that is powerful for the mind and helps here?

>> well, i think singing activates the whole brain because you activate emotion. you activate, um, language circuits. it's something that can fire up the brain. and music has that great power. it has the power to really trigger and activate the whole brain and get it to be in sync ronnie. >> who was the personal relationship like, and how that develops over time any special memories jump out to you about who he was, and who they were as people? >> they had the most playful, wonderful, loving relationship. it was a joy to see. you know,

i think susan was the love of tony's life. and i think one of the -- i heard that one of the last things that he said before he passed was "i love you susan". i never once ever seen him be not sure who susan was, he always recognized her. and they had are really wonderful, close moving relationship. and she was the reason, i believe, aside from singing, susan as singing, kept tony going, i believe. >> that's very touching. you know, you're the expert here, you're the doctor treating the patient, but, every case is different. what did you learn? what did you learn from this incredibly high profile critical patient, tony bennett? >> well, i learned that, that when you have a passion, and when you have a gift, that you can give the world, then you

should be allowed to do it, wether or not you have alzheimer's. people with alzheimer's should not be stigmatized, they can still bring joy to the world and to themselves. and, tony did that. he brought joy to the world. he was able to perform and he was very much a beloved member of the community. and i think that's something powerful that we should never forget. that, just because someone has a diagnosis, it doesn't take away from all the incredible gifts that they have to offer us. >> and how has that influenced -- do you treat other patients differently? do you try different ways to help them or keep them in whatever it is that they do in their walk of life, did you learn from tony bennett, is the question, simply. >> yes. i did learn. i learned, first of all, from tony bennett, i learned one thing,

which is, you know, attitude really matters. i remember him telling me once that he grew up without any money, but, he never felt poor. that his mother, anna, always made them feel like they had plenty. and he had that attitude toward life itself. i learned that from tony bennett. i learned from susan how important it is for a person with alzheimer's to feel loved. and feel beloved. and, for all of us, really, but, in tony's case, it was really very important. and, i also learned that when someone has a passion, they should be allowed to really continue to pursue it wether or not they have dementia like alzheimer's. >> fantastic advice, thank you so much doctor for sharing your time on this day. >> thank you for having me. thanks. >> we'll be right back. young lady who was, mid 30s, couple of kids, recently went through a divorce.

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