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i. tonight the former president's legal slate grows as the judge sets a trial date in the documents case, one of four civil and criminal trials donald trump now faces with two more in the cards and tony bennett the, kept on doing it for eight

eck 8 decades even in the depths of alzheimer's. and looking for support in a tae sea of trump voters. good evening. scott king here. starting us off, the former president gets a date. it's one he had been hoping would be never. and as we will detail tonight, he is still trying to put it off past the next election. but today the former judge said trump's trial on 37 document felony counts could begin as the earliest of 20th of next may with a preliminary hearing next. his lawyers wasn'ted it postponed indefinitely. splitting the difference, judge canon had to thread her way between three other federal and state, civil and criminal trials the former president is facing this october, next january, and then again in march. cnn's paula reid joins us. what can you tell us about this trial date the judge has now

set. >> jon, i was in federal court on tuesday when the lawyers were arguing about this issue. ant and it is clear the central conflict is timing, when this case will go before the jury. they were insisting it would be unfair to do this trial before the election. and they said it's premature to even set a trial date. but prosecutors argue that even the former president trump is running for the white house, he should be treated like any other busy and important american. so we see the judge sort of split the difference here, seventying a may 2024 trial date, but she also in her order included a very detailed schedule. everything that has to happen between now and a trial, and it's easy to see how this could slip if a few of those deadlines are delayed. and today the trump team said they are confident they are able to push this back until after the election. now right now it's unclear if this will happen before or after the election, but most experts i speak with, john, they say they do not expect this to happen

this year. >> as we watch this play out, we did hear just not long -- not too long ago the attorney just added to the trump legal team, what's the most important thing he said when it comes to the strategy next. >> when it comes to january 6th special counsel investigation, the foerl president has added a new lawyer, and yesterday was the deadline for trump to go before the grand jury, and his new lawyer weighed in on why trump declined that invitation. >> there is no need to appear in front of any grand jury right now. president trump did absolutely nothing wrong. he has done nothing criminal, and he has made his case that he was entitled to take these positions as president of the united states when he saw all these election discrepancies and irregularities going on, he did what any president was required to do. >> now that the deadline has passed for the former president to go before the grand jury, john, an indictment can come any day. we know the former president is

indicted in the coming days, the special council's work will continue. we know they have interviews scheduled through the summer. now, interestingly john was advocating for cameras in the courtroom, but we know cameras are not allowed in any federal courtroom. but, john, regardless of the motivation, we are all here for more france partner si in the federal court system. >> yes, more transparency. and you have the toughest jobs in the business keeping track of these complicated cases, with another one just around the corner. and former prosecutor jessica roth currently teaches at the school of law in new york. you just heard paula reid going through the reporting. judge canon says, no, i will delay a little bit, but not what you would like. they think they can push it past the election. do you think that's possible. >> it is possible and probably more likely than not it will be pushed back further. there is lots of motions that they are planning to file. they have already indicated in court and public statements some

of those motions. some of them include challenging the authority of the special counsel to bring this prosecution, arguing the presidential records act is a defense here. they are going to relitigate issues of executive and attorney-client privilege. most of those are losers. but the judge is going to have to decide them. and then there are more substantive motions with respect to the use of classified information, including what's going to be used in court and how it is going to be presented in court. so there are a lot of motion it is court s the court is going to have to decide. the question i'm interested in is how quickly is she going to rule on the motions and how is she going to hold his feet to the fire in holding the schedule she set. if she is committed to keeping the schedule she is set to the extent possible, i still think there is a window for this trial to happen in may. it is a reasonable schedule and consistent with how similar cases have been held in the past and consistent with the extent of the discovery here and the

real issue that is do have to be litigated about classified information. >> so we will get more clues, as you smartly know when you get into the motions and how much she presses and keep the train on the current track. these judges would be under scrutiny anyway, but because she is a trump appointee and the special master returned, more scrutiny. so what do you read into the fact she did not delay the trial indefinitely as the trump team didn't want. jack didn't get what he wanted either, but the trump didn't get after the election. >> setting the schedule she did is a positive sign. everybody was looking to see if she would grant to postpone it indefinitely. she set a schedule. it's a trial date later than the prosecution wanted. but it is before the general election and she very clearly said in her order she didn't have a reason why she couldn't set a schedule now, including

the fact the president was currently running for president. she didn't see that as a reason she couldn't set a schedule. i took that as a positive sign in light of what you mentioned that raise real concerns if she was affording special treatment to president trump. the question going forward is will she try to her best effort to hold everybody to this schedule. >> put your former prosecutor hat back on. they say these are serious crimes. we need to get these into court, speedy trial. it's right in the middle of a presidential cycle. do they check the primary calendar as they are making this or just say blinders straight ahead, here we go. >> i have been very impressed by how the special counsel's team has been doing the work before them as prosecutors. you see that with respect to the fact that they are not leaking. they are doing the job as prosecutors, not talking to the press other than when announcing

the indictment, the special counsel did with respect to this indictment. so i think we are just doing what they think is appropriate in terms of the calendar for this case. they are obviously aware of the political season and are determined to get this case tried as soon as they possibly can so that it can be brought because of course if it is not tried until after the election, it may never be brought. >> that's an excellent point there, the political part of that if trump does win the election. appreciate the legal -- important legal insights. we will continue on the political question, get in perspective from two journalists and best selling authors, the washington post associate ed tor is with us. his most recent book is called bernstein, latest is chasing history. gentlemen, welcome to you both. grateful for your time on this important date. bob, let me start with you. just focus on the unprecedented

nature of that. four trials on the calendar. that's what we have been talking about here, four trials. judge canon scheduled documents trial for may in the middle of an election year, historical contest, nothing like this, right? >> there is no question about that. it's hard to keep -- i see you put a calendar up there. it's going to change. i think you have to think a little bit about what is at the core of this and not just the documents case, but now the investigation into january 6th and at the core is trump's claim that the election was stolen from him. there was this massive fraud. if you look some of this and when i did the book pearl with robert costa, we were able to get the documents that rudy

giuliani, who was trump's lawyer sent to lindsey graham, a trump supporter, somebody who was chairman of the senate judiciary committee at the time. and if you look at these documents and we have thick packets of them, at one point -- i mean, this is astonishing, the claim by giuliani and this is january 4th, 2 days before the january 6th insurrection. giuliani says in nevada 420registered voters voted more than once. now, think about that. we do voting in this country by precinct. how do you vote more than once? do you walk into your precinct and say i would like to vote again?

you can't untangle this, and when you look at it, there are in fact zero people who voted more than one time. in another allegation in this that giuliani makes -- now this is the president's lawyer saying, oh, in wisconsin 226 ,000 incarcerated prisoners local, state, federal, 226,000 people who were incarcerated voted on election day, on november 3rdrd. i remember the stories about the massive jailbreak in wisconsin that day. there were zero -- not 220 -- not a single person who was incarcerated who voted.

so you get into looking at the basis of this. it's not factual. it's made up and lindsey graham's chief counsel lee holms investigated this. holms came to my house with all the documents, weeks of investigation, and he said "this is lindsey graham's person. none of it's true. it is all false. it is con cocked." and if we get to the second part of jackson's case, they knew it was bogus. let's go to where we are right now in seeking the delay of the classified documents case. you covered donald trump a long time. this is every story that comes to donald trump and legal peril. but in the documents case, you are aware of the sensitivity. there are more legitimate issues to hear things out or who can see what and does everybody have the clearance to do this.

what do we say in court in front of the public. how do you see this delay playing out. >> donald trump is somebody who has tried to evade and break the law throughout his life, since he was a young man. and delay has been a constant tactic since he was taught the basics how to break the law and evade the law by his lawyer, roy cohen. we have to cut to the chase about what these are about. they are about a criminal president of the united states who attempted a coup, who tried to take over the legitimate functions of government by staging a coup so his lawfully elected successor could not take office. what we have bob and i wrote in the 50th anniversary largely about the criminal president richard nixon and the criminal president donald trump.

and the danger is obviously from trump. what is he? he is the first president of the united states, a president who attempted to make an insurrection and stop the legitimate function of power and function of the united states government. listen to what mitch mcconnell, the republican leader said on that day after january 6th, that only 1 person was morally and practically responsible for this insurrection, donald trump. so let's keep our eye on the facts, as bob said and what it's about. the republican party, which historically has done the right thing in the moment of joe mccarthy, the great demagogue did the right thing in watergate, forced richard nixon from office. are they going to allow an insurrectionness seditious president to carry our democracy

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. we are talking tonight with bob woodward and burn steen about a document that is long and would get even longer if jack smith secures what could be his next indictment. i want to play a clip from president's new attorney. he appeared on fox news today. and he talks about what donald trump wanted after the 2020 election. >> the only thing that president trump asked is a pause in the counting so those seven contested states could either reaudit or recertify. i have never heard of anyone get indicted for asking for an audit. what president trump was looking for was the truth, to find out exactly what happened in those seven contested states. that's just not criminal. >> bob, you have extensively report on the this issue. out of all those conversations with the former president, does

what you know match what you just heard? >> well, carl is absolutely right. this was a coup. and there is a coup memo that was written literally by one of trump's attorneys, john eastman, the famous eastman memo, and jane, one of your colleagues got it and ran it on cnn. and in it eastman says, "oh, there is seven states with contested electors." mike lee, the republican senator from utah, a big trump supporter, started looking into this and discovered there were absolutely zero states with contested electors. he was quite upset about this. senator lee actually sent me the coup memo saying "it is

unsupported." senator lee, when the certification of biden came -- finally came after january 6th went to the senate floor and said there is nothing to this. lindsey graham said nothing to it at all. these are trump supporters who backed trump and investigated and found nothing. and to your point, it will be interesting to see if they can make this case in a court of law where they make publicly where they are not under oath, the audits were done. the recounts were done. all the court challenges were done. yes, the president had the right to make those cases. they were done by january 6th and he lost them all. to that point, carlos, we look forward to the former president object radio earlier this week suggested that, quote, a passionate group of voters were be more dangerous in 2020 if he were imprisoned. what do you make of that? >> i make of that once again he

is threatening his people are going in the streets and riot and hurt people and there is going to be a great movement in his favor that is going to be violent and a threat of violence is somehow going to help him in court, et cetera, et cetera. let's just mention mike pence for 1 minute and this coup attempt. listen to what mike pence was told by the president of the united states to stop the certification of the duly elected electors to the electro college meeting on january 6th that indeed the president of the united states clear as can be telling the vice president "break the law. let's not have a lawful transfer of power." we have to look -- forget mr. laura there for a minute. we have to look at the unperspiration pente dented nature of the united states, the

overthrow of legitimate government in this country never happened in the white house before. that's what this is about. and republicans, above all, should be terrified of allowing this president to get away with it. >> and yet the overwhelming majority are quite silent, even if you support trump. you think about the fact how all this is going to play out in the middle of a presidential campaign, which trump thinks might be good for him. we will see as it plays out. gentlemen, we will continue this conversation in the weeks ahead. thank you so much. and just ahead, we remember the life and legacy of the icon tony bennett died today at the age of 96. anderson cooper joins us on what is supposed to be a day off for him to remember the man he met and interviewed and will share how despite alzheimer's could still memorize the play book and

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. tony bennett's remarkable career spanned 8 decades, 19 grammy awards, multiple generations of fans. his voice, his smile and his presence were iconic and timeless, allowing him to work with stars of every era from rosemary clooney to lady gaga. he was a painter and in addition

to his career, he was an activist, even walking with martin luther king, jr. in the montgomery civil rights march. tony bennett died at the age of 96 after a year long battle of alzheimer's. jonathan cooper joins us on what is supposed to be his day off to talk about his interview with the singer. truly amazing profile you did for 60 minutes. you sat down with his wife and caretaker susan. i watched him perform with lady gaga. what were your impressions? >> we didn't know how it was going to go. he was 95 at the time. it was in the month before the concerts were to take place. he was just about to start practicing with lady gaga. they hadn't seen each other for a while and i sat with tony with

his wife susan for an interview and quickly realized just how difficult having a conversation was with him at that stage, yet minutes after our talk finished, he was going to rehearse for the show. he went to the room, his player, long time accompanyist started play ago few cords. tony trotted out literally half running, stood at the pea yan piano and without being told what it was, no prompting, he launcheded into the first song and did an hour set standing in front of me 4 feet away from me on the other side of the piano and was so engaged with me while he was singing while that music was alive in him and he was telling me a story through the songs and he would look at me and look at me. and i knew he didn't know who i

was, but in that moment, i believed he knew because he knew he was tony bennett and tony bennett wuss the consummate performer, no matter what was happening in his life, no matter how tough things were for him in his 70-plus-year career. in that moment he was able to be himself even though he was in the late stages of alzheimer's. just an incredible amount of strength and just incredible ending to an incredible life and career. >> let's listen to a little piece of what you did for 60 minutes because it's remarkable. >> he spends much of his time in his new york apartment looking through books and old photos. >> what are those of? >> we met tony and his wife susan in june, a few weeks before his 95th birthday. >> is that bob hope. >> they sent that for your 75th birthday and in a month and a half you are going to be 95. how about that. >> amazing. >> do you feel 95? you don't look it.

>> how old do you feel, ton. >> 95. >> on opening night in early august, radio city's 6,000 seats were sold out. it was tony's 95th birthday. >> happy birthday to you. >> and his fans were waiting. >> we love you tony. >> a few days after that triumph, we met tony and susan on their daily walk in central park. >> how did you feel about the concert the other night? >> i don't know what you mean. >> i saw you at radio city. you did a great job. >> thank you very much. >> tony had no memory of playing radio city at all. >> is this a sad story? tony bennett's last performance. >> no, it's not a sad story. it's emotional. i think what's been beautiful about this and what's been challenging is to see how it affects him in some ways, but to

see how it doesn't affect his talent. i think he really pushed through something to give the world the gift of knowing that this can change and you can still be magnificent. >> anderson, you were there that night, that special night when tony bennett on his 95th birthday performed with lady gaga. what do you remember? >> i was standing next to him as he was about to go out on that stage for the last time and he was watching lady gaga perform because she was doing a set before him , and a few minutes before our cameras had seen him backstage and he didn't even know where he was. he didn't know he was to go out on stage, even though memphis his wife susan was there.

i came backstage and he was looking through the wings at gaga on stage, you could feel the music start pulsing through him. you could see him come alive. he went on the stage. i mean, he killed it. and then this incredible thing on the third night, he hadn't said his name to him. he didn't say "hi, lady gaga." the whole time they were rehearsing and she wasn't sure he knew who she was. and on the final night, she comes out for the final songs and he turns and sees her and his eyes light up and goes wow. and goes "lady gaga." and you could see the tears came and everybody in the audience, everybody -- >> grateful to have witnessed your talent. >> it was an incredible moment. and one of the great amazing

career blessings i had to be there with him and be there with him in the days ahead of his incredible performances and also a blessing to see the beauty of the relationship he had with his wife susan, with his son danny, who was his manager, who got him -- who kept him current and, you know, vital and just as susan did and his whole family and his doctor, and lady gaga, god bless her for the work she did with him and energy she gave him. >> the way you describe and share add poinency at the end. she gave that beautiful answer. what did you learn about his friends and loved ones about how they viewed him in the best of days, but even as he struggled? >> you know, even -- look,

alzheimer's, we all know is a horrible, horrible illness and it's horrible for the person who has it, but even more so perhaps in some ways for the people around them and the people who love them. and, you know, yes, he was tony bennett and he had resources and beautiful apartment overlooking, you know, central park. but, you know, susan was his caretaker, his primary caretaker for the years of his life. and all during covid they were isolated, and she kept him focused on these concerts. she kept him focused on what he loved to do. he would put on shows in their living room just her and him and the accompanyist. and all during covid when no one else was listening. so to me it is a story, yes, a remarkable man and extraordinary career, but also a story of what the human mind is capable of. even when everything was stripped away, tony bennett knew

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. one of many entertainers who worked with tony bennett, my next guest, josh groban. >> ■ stars in the sky make my wish come true. for the night and let the music play as one, as there is a song sing, and we will stay younger than spring. ■ . >> i'm joined now by the singer,

song writer josh groban. >> josh, thanks for joining us, especially under these circumstances. we just played some of that due wet with tony performing this is all i ask. what can you tell us what it was like recording with him? >> singing with tony bennett was a master class, to say the least. he came from an era where everything was in the room, that listening was the most important thing, that everything was about the interpretation. everything was about telling the story in the most honest and organic way possible. so that clip was not a set up. that was our session. all the musicians were in there with us. you will notice also we didn't have any headphones on. he likes to hear everything in the room. we had a few little speakers in there, but otherwise he wanted to hear it as we were doing it. and couldn't think of a more fitting lyric than that one you just played for the way that he

embraced life, embraced music and embraced the way he worked with other artists. >> so what is it like to first get that call, even someone as accomplished as yourself, saying, hey, would you like to do a duet with the one and only tony bennett? >> you have to -- in many ways you have to suppress the part of you that is freaking out because you realize you have a very big job to do. but it also helps -- sometimes they say don't meet your heroes because you don't want to be disappointed. in the case of tony bennett, i just had a feeling and was absolutely correct, that he was going to be one of the kindest souls that i would ever collaborate with. he knew the power that he had and the influence that he had on younger singers. and he took that influence with such an enormous amount of grace and gratitude and, you know, one of the first things i asked him when i stepped into the room with him because he knew i was nervous. we all, no matter where we are

in life to stand in a room with a microphone in front of him is nerve wracking. he asked a lot of questions about what drives me, where my passions are and i asked him the same thing. at the time i record that with him and he was in his 80s, he said i get up and i still have the fire to find new things, to find new places to put my voice, to find new ways to interpret songs, new songs, old songs. he never stopped wanting to be a student. so i think one of the things for somebody that felt very much like a student in that moments to know that the teacher in that moment also had that spark to keep learning with something that i will carry on with me forever. >> so what in your view was the secret sauce that allowed him to stay so relevant? i was born in 1963. i remember in the late '60s my dad had a victrola. my father walked around singing,

thinking he was as good as tony bennett. how did he stay so relevant? how did he keep the energy to learn new things and try new things all the time? >> because what he dusz does and the gift he had was classic and timeless. he had the wherewithal to know that. he knew that for every decade that he was at the top of his game, he knew that the fads of those moments were just that, and that the important thing was to stay true to that spark of inspiration that he had, the voice that he knew he had, the way he could tell a story like nobody else, he knew that was forever his guiding light. and he continually pushed away outside influence to change for a younger crowd or a different crowd or cooler, hipper, whatever. >> what else can you share about the personal touches than the professional brilliance of tony bennett? >> one of the things he was

asking me, because there are parts of my music and his music that overlap and there are parts that don't. and he was interested in some of the classical training. he was really passionate about vocal training and he was asking me what my warmups were and what i like to sing before a song to get myself in the right head space and vocal zone, and he loved listening to opera singers. he loved listening to classical music. vocal technique was something really important to him and sometime when you think about the crooning and the interpretation of these songs, you think about being very loose. but he had that extraordinary ability to be very loose and playful with his interpretation, but also had this -- just absolute focus and attention to detail about his vocal technique. i can't believe he was asking me what my warmups were because i was just thinking to myself, i don't know, tony, what scales do you do in the shower? because these are mine.

again, just curious. you know, god willing, you know, to be able to stay curious for the entirety of such a legendary career is just such a gift. and so happy we got to share that. >> amen. such a gift. very well put. josh groban, thank you for your time today. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> and next tony bennett's neurologist on how even not alzheimer's could silence the music inside him. detect this: living with hiv, i learned i can stay undetectable

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oppenheimer. >> she diagnosed him with alzheimer's and spoke about how bad it could be even as his memory fell. >> people respond differently depending on his strength. in tony's case it's his musical memory.

>> he can sing the repertoire of the american song book. >> dr. debbie thanks for being here. sorry it's under these terrible sad circumstances tony's alzheimer's in that interview is remarkable even as a neurologist's, how was he able to switch even after suffering tragic memory loss because of list diagnosis? >> you know, it's just a testament to the human brain and the beauty of it and the remarkable nature of it. i remember sitting in the audience at radio city and we had been gearing up to this big performance and up until the very end, i knew he could do it, but until he did it, boy, how

well did he do it for his 94th birthday at reyo city music hall to sold out crowd, he delivered with alzheimer's disease completely solid performance. he got standing ovations. but until the end we weren't sure if he was going to be completely able to perform as flawlessly as he did and he didn't i remember i was sitting next to a physician friend of mine and she said to me, what do you mean he has dementia? he doesn't have dementia. there's no sign of it. i thought that's one down for us. >> that's remarkable and following up on that from a neurological standpoint you think that singing specifically activates a lot of the brown the sound the rhythm of music. what is it about music and singing that is powerful for the mind and perhaps helped here? >> well, i think singing

activates the whole brain. because you activate emotion. you activate language circuits. you activate rhythm circuits. and it's something that really can fire up the brain if you will. and so, music has that great power. it that is power to really trigger and activate the whole brain and get it to be in symphony. >> you were able to work with tony's wife list care giver susan since 2017. let's talk about the personal relationship and how that develops over time in such a case. any special memories about who he is, who they are as people? >> he had the most playful wonderful loving relationship. it was a joy to see.

you know, i think susan was the love of tony's life and i think within of the -- i heard one of the last things he said before he passed was, i love you susan. i never once ever have seen him be not sure who susan was, always recognized her, and they had a really wonderful, close, moving relationship and she was the reason, i believe, aside from singing susan and singing kept tony going. >> that's very touching. you're the expert here. tower doctor treating the patient but every case is different. what did you learn? what did you learn from this incredibly high profile critical patient tony bennett? >> well i learned that when you have a passion and when you have a gift that you can give the

world, then you should be allowed to do it, whether or not you have alzheimer's. people with alzheimer's should not be stigmatized and tony brought joy to the world. he was able to perform and he was very much a beloved member of the community and i think that's something powerful that we should never forget that just because someone has a diagnosis doesn't take away from all the incredible gifts they have to offer news is and how has that influenced -- do you treat other patients differently? do you try different ways to help them or keep them in whatever it is they do in their walk of life, did you learn from tony bennett i guess is the question simply? >> yes, i learned first of all from tony bennett, which is

attitude really matters and i remember him telling me once that he grew up without money but head never felt poor that his mother anna made them feel like they had plenty and he had that attitude toward life itself. i learned from susan how important it is forward a person with alzheimer's to feel love and feel beloved for all of us really but in tony's case it was very important and i also learned that when someone has a passion they should be allowed to continue to pursue it, whether or not they have dementia like alzheimer's. >> thanks for sharing. >> thanks for having me.

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