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why isn't president joe biden more popular. i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. no labels, the group seeking to mount a third party held a town hall to announce its tensions and what it called its commons agenda. the co-headliners were joe manchin, john huntsman, former utah governor and ambassador to china and russia. former north carolina governor pat mccrury defined their mission this way. >> we hope we won't have to do it but the fact of the matter is if by super tuesday that we see the fil two candidates frankly being donald trump or joe biden and joe biden, the american people are saying loud and
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clear, and we'll measure that again come super tuesday, right now, 60 to 70% of the american people are saying we can do better. that's not the choice we want. now, hopefully by shaping the agenda between now and then, things will change, but if it doesn't change, and we do get on the ballot access, which we will, we will present a president and vice president candidate on a no labels ticket. >> it's understandable why the group that purports to be independent and centrist is vehemently opposed to trump again being a candidate. by super tuesday he'll be a twice impeached president, perhaps three or four times indicted, and his endorsements and presence have often been blamed for his party's pattern of losses since 2016. simply stated, trump is a lightning rod who for better or worse inflames passion. i'm as baffled as to why there's an equal opposition to joe biden
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being president. consider the numbers the governor cited reflected in cnn's recent poll. 66%, 2/3 of all americans say a biden victory would be either a setback or a disaster for the country. just 56%, i shouldn't say just, but less, say the same of trump. why are biden's numbers so l i found answers in an excellent piece by my next guest writing for yahoo news titled, why is joe biden so unpopular. andrew romano reports, joe biden is the second most unpopular presidential in modern history. romano sites polling data, biden's approval rating at 910 days into the term stood at 39%. at this point, jimmy carter was at 29%. romano points out that the issues that hobbled carter are
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nowi biden. unemployment was stuck around 6% and the price of oil in the pro. in contrast, a gallon of gas today costroughly 30% less than it did 12 months ago at 3.6, unemployment is on par with 50-year lows and down by almost half since biden took office. the u.s. economy added 4 million jobs over the past year. inflation has cooled to 3% after peaking last summer at triple that rate. additionally, biden has been able to make good on many of his campaign policy promises such as the infrastructure bill, a resurgence in manufacturing and boosting green energy. he diffused the debt ceiling crisis and expanded broad band access while holding together the nato alliance. on a personal level, he doesn't engender the attempt that some feel for trump. i'm not here to carry the water, but it does raise the question,
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why is the president so unpopular. ro romano in the piece i'm describing cites the lingering pain of inflation, prices remaining high for staple goods, deeply embedded partisanship and an overall societal unhappiness or he asks could it be biden himself, his advanced age, frequent gaffes, ongoing family drama. each of those factors receive 24/7 coverage in conservative media and this week's hearing with the irs whistleblowers concerning the hunter biden investigation. my answer has more to do with our political climate generally than with him personally. an approval rating of under 50% is known by the pundits as being under water. biden hasn't been above 50% since august of 2021. and being underwater was true of donald trump for the entirety of his presidency. i see it as a reflection of the nation's ever widening divide in an era of polarized media,
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cluding social media. this is hard to believe. as recently as 1984, ronald reagan won 49 of 50 stat against walter mondale. mondale carried only his home state of minnesota. in 1972, richard nixon won 49 states. george mcgoverns had not even his home state of south dakota. our elections are decided by a half dozen swing states, everything else locked in and predetermined, not only that, we're increasingly living among the like minded. consider this, most people in america live in an area that was one handily by one presidential candidate in the last election. there are roughly 3,100 u.s. counties. in 1980, there were only 391 that were won by 20 or more points, a landslide. by 202 that number hadrown to 1,726.
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which this out. look at this map, you can see the dramatic differencfr 1992 to 2016. where you see color, there is a landslide county. relatively few in 92, but the va majority of the country by 2016. and the 2016 presidential election was much closer than the 1992 race, and yet there were more blow out counties in 2016 with landslide victories. presidential approvals are emblematic of the divide i'm describing. it's hard to imagine any candidate in the near future ever winning nationwide by a landslide, like reagan did in '84 or nixon in '72. the only american presidents to enjoy outsized approval, the bushes, both in the face of war or terror. papa bush in the first gulf war received a 72% approval rating,
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and w, post 9/11 hit 90%. no matter who wins the 2024 election, they're going to struggle to have an approval rating above water. it may not really matter what biden or trump or whomever might be the netfxt president or the next president actually accomplishes. i want to know what you think. go to my web site at smerconish.com. please vote on this week's poll question, what best explains president biden's low job approval rating. is it his record, his age, is it the economy, polarization or something else? joining me to discuss is andrew romano. you heard my set up, and you heard the data i referenced. i'm going to put it on the screen. the number about disaster ore setback, what accounts for joe biden vi a higher number in that category than donald trump. 66% saying it would be a setback or enven a disaster if he's
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reelected. >> it's a fascinating question. i run our poll, i design it, and every two weeks we ask similar questions, and they come back with similar answer. they show what your poll showed, there's more unsatisfaction with joe biden than even with donald trump on these measures, and it's pretty remarkable. the last poll we asked, are joe biden, are donald trump fit for another term as president, and what we found is joe biden, 55% of americans say he's not fit for another term as president. donald trump, 53, slightly lower. what laccounts for biden's highr numbers are the fact that democrats are more willing to express dissatisfaction with joe biden than republicans are with donald trump. i don't know whether that's a psychological difference between people who tend to be republicans and tend to be democrats, but there is a kind of more self-critical attitude among democrats towards biden as their standard bearer, and, you
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know, i think that is going to be a factor going forward, but i also think as the election gets underway, biden is the nominee. that's looking very very likely that the party will rally around him to a degree. one other thing we asked in our poll was about whether you prefer biden as your nominee to someone else. actually on that measure, 53% of democrats say they prefer biden to someone else. that's higher than we have measured and higher than donald trump among republicans. 39% of republicans prefer donald trump to someone else. we're seeing dissatisfaction surfacing among republicans when you ask that question. >> the president's critics will say, michael, you offered a flowery presentation of his record, it's more dismal than that, or they will talk about his age ineffectiveness. i could be making the same point about donald trump that i could be making at joe biden. my point is it's emblematic of
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the time we're living. it's shocking to think that not that long ago in the reagan 80s, he was able to win 49 states. ya i can't see anyone winning 49 states in my lifetime. i'll frame it this way, i can't thinkover a person on the planet, put aside the requirements necessary for running as president, i couldn't think of a person on the planet you could put on america's ballot in next year's election who could win 49 states. >> i think that's absolutely true. there are two questions, how much of it is specific to joe biden, and how much of it is systemic. there are issues people respond to when they say they're disapproving of him. his age is one of them, not necessarily that they have seen him gaffe or stumble but just that they think he's getting up there in age, maybe he's not in charge of his own presidency, he's a passenger in his presidency. they don't see him as a real
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assertive figure so they're not as inclined as they were with previous presidents to give him credit when things turn around in the economy the way they are doing right now. the bigger factors are systemic, as you said, the polarization we have. we get news that reaffirm what is we believe, and it's hard to break out of that. i don't think joe biden is going to do it, but i don't think anyone else could do it either. >> thank you, andrew. i appreciate your time and the piece you wrote, and to andrew's last point, i can't think of anybody on the stage when the republicans debate on august 23rd or among any of the democratic candidates, i just can't see anybody who conceivably is going to have an approval rating of what, i don't know, 60 what are your thoughts? hit me up on social media, i'll read some throughout the course of the program. what do we have, katherine, from the world of twitter. stop procting him every minute and hiding his lies and refusing to do investigation. are you kidding me, we don't want trump and we don't want
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biden. i'm not protecting him every minute. i'm saying candidly he has been deserving of a higher approval rate certainly in the time he has been the president thus far. it's not in defense of him. i would say that about trump in the course of his one term. something else is going on here. here's a fun thought experiment. go to the live chat feature of my web site this hour, and give me a name. anyone on the planet, putting aside the requirements necessary to run for the u.s. presidency, give me a name, who could win 49 of 50 states the way that rold reagan did. nobody. please go to the web site for an additional purpose, and that is to answer this week's poll question, what best complains president biden's low job approval rating. i'm giving you as choices, his record, his age, the economy, polarization, or something i can't think of. up ahead, on a well manicured long island street, one house stood out, it's a mess
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with overgrown bushes and exposed woodwork. might this have been a telltale clue, an owner would end up accused in the gilgo beach killer. i'm going to speak to an fbi profiler of serial killers who had a great insight into what this guy might look like. and the menendez brothers were guilty of killing their parents with shotguns in 1989. could new evidence of the father's sexual abuse free them, and has society's understanding about such abuse changed in the three decades that they have been behind bars? lyle and eric menendez's defense attorney mark garrigos joins me next. and this future champ. and if we proffer it, we know you'll proffer it too.. he's cocky for a nineteen year old.
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could new evidence up end the verdict in one of america's most notorious killings. it was 34 years ago this summer that jose and kitty menendez were shotgunned as they ate ice cream. lisle menendez said he and his brother eric returned home to find their parents slain. the killings so gruesome, it was
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sus suspected as a mob hit. after the brothers began spending lavishly, police confiscated therapy sessions that contained incriminating information. prosecutors said they killed them for financial gain. in march of 1990, lyle was arrested, eric turned himself in. they were then put on trial twice. after the first trials resulted in a hung jury. following the retrial in 1996, they were sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. the case has always held a popular imagination with movies, and mini series, and documentaries. there's a new one on peacock, with jose -- and a netflix series called monsters, the lyle and eric menendez story. with both boys in their 50s, sexual assault allegations have arisen that advocates say
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corroborated the abuse that were not allowed in the second trial. one of the attorneys joins me know, legendary defense attorney mark geragos whose client haves included chris brown, michael jackson, winona ryder and colin kaepernick. the question is not whether they did it, it's why they did it. what's the new evidence? >> well, you set it up, i thought, very well. basically there was a letter that eric had written about eight months before the killing that went to his cousin that described the abuse that was with his cousin who passed away with his personal effects. then also in the, as you described the menudo band member, filed a declaration under penalty of perjury, both things have been discovered as of late, and both of those things, i think, are compelling when you take a look at what
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happened in the second trial. the second trial, by the way, what happened in the interim was the oj simpson verdict, and we all know the kinds of political ramifications that that caused for the d.a.'s office, and the same judge in the second trial disallowed much of the abuse evidence, and allowed, compounded things by allowing the d.a. to argue that it was an abuse excuse and that there was no evidence after it had basically been excluded from their presentation, so we think, you know, we're cautiously optimistic. >> the case was unique, correct me if i'm wrong, in so far as initially there were two trials in one? two separate juries listening to the same presentation mostly but rendering different verdicts for each of the so-called boys. those were hung juries, and then in the second go around, they were consolidated into one
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trial. is that right? >> that's absolutely correct. by the way, both separate juries in trial number one found that the murder, predominantly that the murder had not been proved. the idea was not an acquittal, the legal term, imperfect self-defense, the idea was that it was a manslaughter, and if they had been convicted of manslaughter, they would long since have been freed. >> the court is no doubt going to want to know why wasn't this letter introduced at trial one or two. from what mark geragos is saying is because it wasn't discovered. should it have been discovered? >> well, you know, that's an interesting question. probably should have been, and that's going to be one of the issues. but, remember, this was in the effects of his cousin who had tragically passed away and
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wasn't discovered until later. and ironically, some of the biggest supporters both kitty's sister and the father's sister are supported. in fact, in the family itself, there's only one person who is in the supportive of them being released at this point. >> right, but that's an uncle who says they don't deserve to walk the face of the earth? >> correct. correct. but the sisters are uniformly behind the release or the proposed release of both of the boys. who i also call boys, even though they're in their 50s. >> if the menendez brothers had been tried this year, in 2023, as opposed to three decades ago, there's been a lot of change in society and a lot of changed understanding relative to abuse. i mean, back then there was a question as to whether what we discussed as battered wife
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syndrome had any applicability to two teenage boys. what difference do you see in terms of society that would impact the outcome of the case if they were tried today? >> i think there's been a sea change in the way we look at abuse and our understanding of it. i think that, you know, i've told you in other forums that if they had been the menendez sisters, i don't think they would be in prison. and i think we now view or have come to understand abuse in a much more sophisticated way, i don't think they would have been convicted in today's milieu of murder. this is a classic of what's called the legal term, imperfect self-defense. >> right. in other words, you're not here advocating that they should have been acquitted from the get go, but rather saying they were convicted of the wrong charge and the lesser charge that mark geragos thinks is more appropriate, by now they'd probably have been released. is that it?
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>> that's exactly it. i couldn't have said it better myself. >> i'm going to read aloud a social media response. hang on for just a second in case i want to defer to you. what do we have, katherine? it says, victim gender bias in sexual assault cases is a real thing. eric, i guess, is making your point, mark. >> i think that's exactly right. i think that you -- when i frame it in terms of, if this had been the menendez sisters or if eric had been erica, so to speak, i think lyle would have been lauded as a hero, and so i'm not defending the -- any other idea but that they didn't get a fair second go around. >> be interesting to see how it plays out. mark geragos, thank you, appreciate it as always. >> thank you, good to see you. make sure you're going to
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smerconish.com. i think a really interesting poll question this week, what best explains president biden's low job approval rating his record, his age, the economy or something else. a 59-year-old architect arrested in the gilgo beach serial killings on long island. many details about the suspect turn out to fit the description predicted in 2011 by my next guest a retired fbi behavioral analyst, how did he know? plus, in the summer of 1978, 58% of 16 to 19-year-olds had a job. last year, it was less than 37 where have all the summer jobs gone? here's what i would like you to do. go to the live ct feature at smerconish.com. give me your favorite. what was your favorite summer job from back in the day? i'm going to read some.
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more than a dozen years ago, my next guest pretty much nailed the profile of the person who would later be arrested as the gilgbeach serial killer. "new york times" piece in april 2011 described the likely suspect this way. he is most likely a white in his mid 20s to mid 40s, he is married or has a girlfriend, well educated or well spoken, financially secure, has a job and owns an expensive car or trk. as part of his job or interests, he has access to or a stockpile of burlap sacks. and he lives oused to live on our near ocean parkway on the south shore of long island where the politicsce have found ten s of human remains. one of the experts cited by "the new york times" in that piece, jim clementeretired in 2009 where he was a senior
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supervisory agent in the agency unit in quantico. he is quoted as sayi he did not stumble upon that location. he has some familiarity with it, and he also theorized it may be the time that his wife or kids or parents are away for the summer. meaning in which he carried out the killings. well, all of those things turned out to be true of the apprehended suspect. 59-year-old architecture rex heuermann, who lives near or where the bodies were found drove a chevy afvalanche truck and may have murdered victims at his family's home while his wife and children were out of time. jim clemente, who worked at the d.c. sniper case, jeaon bonet
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ramsey. everything we learned from kwi "silence of the lambs" what is your job as a profiler. >> to look at the behavior at a crime scene, and the choice of victims to use that behavior to reverse engineer back to the type of person who committed the crime. these offenders will leak out information about themselves in the choices that they make. >> so are you looking at a case and saying, hmm when have we seen this before, oh, this looks similar to, you know, john wayne gacy or some other known case or are you consulting the dsm or some combination thereof? >> i think the some combination is more accurate. we have, as a unit, in the behavioral analysis unit, we have interviewed over 1,500 serial offenders who have been convicted and we get all the details of what they were thinking at the time they committed the crime, how they did what they did, how they grew up, what their fantasy life was
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like, and what they did both before pre-offense behavior and post-offense behavior. all of those things, then, we look for the nuances in a crime scene to tell us which kind of motivation was behind each of those cases. >> are these serial killers once caught, eager to talk? i mean, are they forthcoming. did they share their story? what's it like to interview one of those individuals? >> well, first of all, they're not typically eager to talk right away, unless they want something from us. israel keys spent eleven days divulging cases, crimes he committed, some that we were unaware of before he took his own life. he wanted something in return. he didn't want his daughter to know everything about him. but other serial killers, because once they have been convicted and they know they'll
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be in prison for the rest of their lives, they do want to talk to us because it is sort of their last hurrah, their ability to sort of go down in history, and we use that to actually get them to open up to us. >> jim, i gave you props for the things that you told "the new york times" more than a decade ago that ended up perhaps being true. he's not yet been convicted. anything that surprised you about this guy? >> sure. one of the things was the fact that he had hundreds of guns in sort of like a bunker in his basement. that is atypical, but it probably tells us that it wasn't just for hunting. and it did sort of indicate that potentially he would have bunkered himself and fought it out with the cops when they came to arrest him. but that's why, i think, the police decided to arrest him in new york city while he was on
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the street so he would be away from his weapons. that was unusual. also, there were things about him in his professional life in which he seemed to be very kind and caring to certain individuals, went above and beyond to explain things and be nice. that is probably -- there's probably some underlying reason why he didn't pick those particular people to pay that kind of attention to because in general, i think he was very controlling. >> some people wonder how could the wife not have known. i find interesting that the "new york times" is reporting today that apparently sometimes she'd be seen paying with food stamps at the groceryto. what do you make of the spouse? >> well, first of all, it is not unusual for spouses of serial killers to be kept in the dark by the offender. in fact, i would say there's a higher probability that he was coercively controlling her and restricting her from going near
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certain parts of the house like this gun bunker, and staying away from his private time on the internet and so forth. i think that is the norm. the fact that they were paying for food with food stamps tells me the relatively poor way that he treated his family. he did not hold them in high regard, and i believe that he may very well have had this family literally as a cover for legitimacy so that when they were away, he could take advantage of and kill these women. >> to be successful in your old job, must one have an innate sense of street smarts or can the skill set that you need be acquired? >> well, i think the people who get hired into the behavioral analysis unit usually have a lot of experience in law enforcement working with local and state law enforcement officers, and they
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actually look for people who have a sense of imagination, who have very varied backgrounds and who can think outside the box. but in a very very specific way. because we want to be able to interpret behavior and the nuances of that behavior to be able to say that it's this kind of person versus that kind of person who committed this crime. >> can you shut it off? like if you and i went out and had a beer together, are you looking at me and looking at everybody else in the tap room and doing some kind of an assessment? >> well, i think there's a certain at of that that goes on, but, yes, if you don't learn how to shut it off, then, i don't know, that's not very good for your mental health. >> it's a shame in this case, final observation, it seems like the chevy avalanche, that aspect of the investigation may have been overlooked and that it could have been brought to a close a lot sooner. you get the final word.
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>> well, i think that's maybe why he switched it out. the green one for a black one. maybe so that when somebody showed up at his house to look and see if he had that car, they said, oh, it was a black one, not a green one as described, so maybe it's not him. it could have been a forensic counter measure, and i think hiding the car with his brother down in south carolina was a way to get rid of it, keep it off his premises and out of sight without doing some kind of legal registered transaction. i think it was a smooth move on his part to try to reduce the chances that people would look at h. >> jim, that was excle. thank you so much for being here. appreciate it. >> thank you, michael. take care. programming note, for more information on this case, tomorrow night, 8:00 p.m., the premiere of the gilgo beach killer on the whole story with anderson cooper and cnn correspondent brynn gingras. still to come, are summer jobs a thing of the past? i'm going to talk to an expert
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summer job? i asked our audience earlier this hour to go to the live chat feature at smerconish.com and tell me what was your favorite summer job. somebody said baseball umpire. somebody said a and w car hop. i like that. i worked at mcdonald's. graveyard shift at a can plant. i producer katherine picked up bodies for her father who was an undertaker as a summer job. how is that. wild land firefighter near sequoia national park. last summer the youth labor force grew by 2.6 million people from april to july. teen employment does grow between summer months, however, the current numbers still do not compare to what they used to be. 1978, 58% of 16 to 19-year-olds held a summer job in the summer. fast forward to 2022, less than 37% of 16 to 19-year-ol you have to be available for doesn't look so glamorous on your application? >> i agree with you. i think that is a, you know, that is something that a lot of parents and students don't know and don't appreciate. i do agree with you that colleges look at that, and also taking care of family members over the summer is also something they care about. you know, if you're the one who has to take care of your little sister or brother, so those are all things that are very important. >> marie, can i also say this, that among the things that we
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lose, and there are a whole host of lessons, the value of a dollar, what it's like to punch a clock, et cetera, et cetera, but human interaction at a time when too many are blind closed doors on social media, including with adults, can you quickly speak to that? >> i always say if you are working for the summer, try to get a job where you're talking to people. ic think of three examples. one would be if there's a golf course nearby, public or private, they're always looking for cad dies, and these kids wok really really hard, and they're talking to the people playing golf, and they're getting advice, and learning how to, you know, they're getting that emotional intelligence by talking to these folks. another job that's great is working in a restaurant or behind a bar, like you don't have to be 21 to work in a restaurant. there's a role that my son did called being a bar back, where he was just basically refilling glasses, putting ice and
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refilling the refrigerators, and all the people who were there liked to talk to him and to give him advice and asked him what he wanted to do when he grew up. that was a really really helpful experience, and a third one is -- >> tell me before you leave me, real quick, your favorite summer job from back if n the day. >> well, my favorite summer job was serving drinks on the beach in hilton head island. i had to find a place to live. >> i would take that gig today. >> it was a honeymoon hotel so it was actually really nice. the couples were always very happy. i didn't have to deal with a lot of bad stuff. >> thank you so much for being here. appreciate it. >> yes, thank you, bye bye. still to come, more of your best and worst socl media comments, and we'll give you the final result. last chance to go vote at least for now, what best explains president biden's low job apoval rating. your choices, his record, his age, the economy, polarization, or something else?
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the result of this week's poll question from smerconish.com. whoa. what best explains president biden's low job approval rating, dare i say i persuaded some of you with my opening commentary? i haven't voted with the majority in one of my polls for, like, weeks but i'm 'in the 49% who attribute it to polarization. by the way, i asked earlier in the program, could any person on the planet get 49 of 50 states,
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forget residency and what the requirements and give me a name, and i struggled with this name, the former raven, the super bowl champion, sent me the name that could do it. arnold. >> a better name than schwarzenegger? nobody else that i can think of. more social media reaction. what have we got? >> because right wing shows like smerconish spreading fake news. >> this is such right wing and fake news that i hit you with polling data from, you know, cnn, and from gal up, and from the 538 compendium because i'm sharing fake news, i'm sure that's the answer. what else came in? >> to me, it's his record. and you need only look at one metric. his administration's performance at the border. rawhide. the border has been pourous, no doubt about it but the numbers of crossings, fact check me on this but i want to say they're
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down 70% and the arm get than was expected when we finally got rid of the standard based on covid, it never developed. thank god. i mean there are issues with his record, for sure, and the border is still problematic, no doubt about it, but i don't think that his record alone, and he is also not a guy, the president, who instills the sort of antipathy that trump often does. people don't really walk around really disliking joe biden. >> it is the polarization issue. the era when nixon or reagan could win 49 states is sadly over. i'll see you next week. keep voting.
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