that's what i thought. introducing the next generation 10g network. only from xfinity. thank you so much for joining us tonight. cnn prime time with abby phillip starts right now. hi, abby. >> hey, caitlin, thank you so much. and good evening, everyone. i am abby philip. a big guest lineup, a lot of news tonight on cnn prime time. joining me tonight, neal katyal,

miles taylor, presidential candidate francis suarez. one of the northwestern players breaking his silence on hazing, the singer, monika, on what she saw her concert when she noticed something in the crowd. and we will discuss the politics of, of course, barbie, as the movie crashes expectations, despite right-wing outrage. but first, tonight. one of the big legal questions, as donald trump awaits a possible third indictment. did he believe his own lies like go to the election? new cnn reporting lifting the curtain on the evidence that jack smith is now training, we are told that witnesses are being asked about an oval office meeting in february of 2020, in which trump praised improvements to the security of the united states elections. and that includes the use of paper ballots -- why is this significant? well, because weeks later, he would start spreading waterfront conspiracy theories to begin undermining the election results. >> i don't want the acreage

election, this election will be the most rigged election in history. they know it's going to be fraudulent, it's gonna be fraud all over the place. >> i've been complaining very strongly about the ballots, and belter disaster. >> and we will speak with neal katyal in just a few minutes. just hours after the governor of texas tells president biden that we will see you in court, tonight, justice department's obliging. the doj is suing the state over the floating border wall that is made of buoys in the rio grande river. greg abbott is now refusing to take them down, but this comes as whistleblowers allege that the texas officials are using razor wire, booby traps essentially, to deter migrants. in addition to pushing them back in the water, at risk of drowning. rosa flores reports from the border. >> abby, let me show you the border barrier that's at the center of this legal battle. you have to look beyond two sets of concertina wire to the middle of the river, and you

see the strength of belize. now, they are four feet in diameter, and they are anchored to the bottom of that waterway. now the federal government filed this lawsuit after mexico's top diplomat complained to washington that these buoys violated to treaties. and also after more than 80 u.s. democratic lawmakers complained to a president of the united states, and ask them to investigate and to file legal action. well now, governor greg abbott digging in his heels, saying that texas has sovereign authority based on the u.s. and texas constitution. and then we have also learned, that the office of the texas attorney general says that it is ready for this legal fight in federal court. happy? >> thanks to rosa for, that joining me now is 2024 gop presidential candidate and republican mayor of miami francis suarez. mayor suarez, thank you very much. i want to start by asking,

asking you to respond to what rosa just laid out there. the doj's argument essentially that these barriers are lined with very razor, where a public safety and humanitarian risk. not to mention that mexico says that they could be on their territory. but this is a part of the border we are not just adults are processed crossing, but, families children, women as well. what is your response to that? >> i think this is a symbol of how desperate local leaders have gotten. and -- have gotten with the out-of-control crisis that we are seeing at the border. where we have seen essentially a wave and release policy by this administration, that has really, it has been one of the few things that bipartisan elected officials, including democratic mayors, have complained about. we are seeing obviously human trafficking crisis at the border. where it seems like the only ones who are benefiting from it are the coyotes and then the cartels. and then we are seeing a

fentanyl crisis that is driven by china using mexico to import fentanyl into the united states. which has killed 80 90,000 americans. that is the equivalent of a 7:47 crashing, every single day. so that's, you know, we are not treating the border as the crisis that it is. we have to stop this migration so that we can focus on a solution. we are never gonna solve the problem if we can't control the inflow and deal with it in a conference of fashion, from those who are here and documented, to raise sizing legal immigration, to finding a way to the power china and the rise of socialism in our hemisphere, which is greeting the desperation and the poverty those pushing people to the united states. >> and i take that you want to see more, don, from the federal government. but on the question of the use of razor wire, and also, mayor, there is some disturbing reports ever merged of texas troops being ordered to push

migrants back into the river. so that they would go back to mexico, as well as night in water. on those specific allegations, and on this use of razor wire, in that part of the river, do you believe that that is the right thing for texas governor abbott to be doing? >> look, i think we have to get control of the border. and i think we should be working with law enforcement, we should be utilizing technology, we should be dedicating the resources necessary, which we haven't been doing. to make sure that we have complete control of our border. if we do that, then we can have a more comprehensive and coherent conversation on how to solve this immigration crisis. forever. >> on the question of those tactics, mayor, do you support the use of those tactics. >> look, i don't support the use of any tactic that could put peoples lives in jeopardy. but i do understand the frustration that people feel with an out-of-control border, where we haven't been able to get control of what is going on.

we've had 67 million illegal immigrants and turn to our country since the president became president. and we have exacerbated a multi decade and multi administration crisis. >> all right, well i want to chan to a different topic now. today, republicasenator mitt romney penned an op-ed in the wall street journal asking for donors in yourarty, big donors, all donors, to help push out long shot candidates in this race. you in thilatest polare pulling out less than 1% in this will. really far below all of the other competitors. do you think he is talking about you? and would you consider dropping out of the race if it meant that it would allow the republican field to consolidate? >> look, i have just ordered my campaign, just a little more than a month ago, i was not one of these nationally recognized

game names that you put up on the board. i think we have a very compelling story to tell. i am the only hispanic candidate from either party, that's running, i think that's important, i think that is an important voice for the republican party on issues like the one we are discussing, such as immigration. but other issues that are important for me to be part of the conversation. we had a great first ten days of fundraising, we raised 1 million dollars in ten days. if you extrapolate that over the course of an entire quarter, that is $9 million in our hard money account. we showed that committees that were supporting my candidacy had roughly 13 and a half million dollars. when you consider the hard money that we also raised. and i think that it is really important for candidates like me to have an opportunity to tell our story, the story of miami is a story of low taxes, of increased wage growth, of the lowest unemployment in america and one of the major urgencies that has seen a precipitous drop in homicides. that is something that we should be telling, that is something that the republican

party should be extolling. and i think it is important to give candidates an opportunity to have that voice, and by the, way i thank you for giving me an opportunity to be on your show right now. because that gives me volume to tell the story. >> but on the broader question of what senator romney is saying, which is that if this field doesn't ueno down, inevitably it would allow donald trump to become the republican nominee. what do you say to that, directly? what do you say to romney, directly, on that front? >> i would say, abby, that the field will will down, naturally, over the course of the next five months. i do agree that if nothing changes between now and january in the iowa caucus, the former president will be the nominee. i think that is pretty clear. and i think that many candidates are looking forward to that august 23rd debate stage to give an opportunity to tell their story, to differentiate themselves. because i think we are different as candidates. we extol different, you know, prior events. we articulate our platforms in

a different way, different fashion. we emphasize different things. >> do you think >> that's one of the beautiful things -- >> do you think we will make it to the debate stage as hughes mentioned? >> i feel confident we will. we just told us 1% in the fox business poll in iowa, which checks the box of an early primary state poll. we are hoping to, and we have pulled out 1% in other national polls. i'm not sure whether -- they count, we certainly hope they will. and we feel good about meeting the donor thresholds, both at the state level and in the aggregate. so we do feel that we are gonna be there. we are working hard to be there so we can, like i said, tell the story of american prosperity in our city that we think can be scaled nationally to create american prosperity for the maximum number of people. >> i do want to ask you about one more thing that also has to do with your home state of florida. as you i'm sure no, in the last week there has been some new education guidelines for teaching of african american history. it says the curriculum should

include instruction on how slaves learned skills that could be applied for their, quote, personal benefit. and when asked about this on friday, ron desantis that he was not personally involved in this, but he added, quote, i think that they are probably going to show how some folks eventually partly, you know, being a blacksmith into doing things later in life. do you agree with governor desantis here? >> i don't. i can't imagine how you can extol the virtues of slavery. and governor should've taken that opportunity to demonstrate leadership. and, listen everyone makes mistakes, we all make mistakes and life. and i think when you do you have to own up for it. i think the sort of never back down mentality that he has created it is to never admit that you made a mistake mentality. and i think that is wrong. i think, you, know this is clearly something that he should have reversed. and i actually think he would have been celebrated for. that i think you were just come out and say, look, i made a

mistake. or this doesn't reflect my values or the state's values. i think that he would have, you know, people would have been very happy to hear him take on that opportunity. he didn't and i think unfortunately it has been a pattern on issues like this that are divisive. and that's, that's not what the republican party should stand for. i think part of my candidacy is to grow the party to focus on attracting hispanics, to focus on attracting young people, people in cities, and certainly grow the parties so that you can win in 2024. but also wind beyond 2024,, and as you know, you have to get a majority in congress, you have to get a majority in the senate to govern. so it is not just about winning a presidential election, and it is also about, you know, having a vision for this country that unifies this country. i don't think that is unified, i think frankly a lot of people probably feel insulted by. all right, mayor francis morris thank you for your time tonight, sir. back now to our top story, new

cnn reporting real evidence that jack smith is obtaining in the trump investigation. we're told that witnesses are not being asked about an oval office meeting in february of 2020. joining me now is former acting solicitor general factual, he's also the host of the podcast court of side with neil cattle. neil, thank you for joining us. look, trump's mindset, as we all know now, it has been a huge focus for prosecutors in this january 6th investigation. when we talk about this february 2020 meeting about election security, how do you think that that fits into their investigation? >> i do think it fits in. first of all, i think it is sad for the country right now that we are on indictment watch for a former president of the united states. and honestly it is just feeling like another monday because i think it really speaks to the widespread nature of donald trump's criminal behavior. and i think the news story that

cnn has just posted about the idea that jack smith is looking, not just at january 6th and the dates up to january 6th, but trump's earlier beliefs, starting as early as february 2020, about election integrity is really important because criminal prosecutors are going to have to show what was called -- negative criminal intent that trump intentionally did something wrong. and by going back earlier in the clock, starting in favor of 2020, and then november of 20, and december of 20, and january of 21, jack smith is investigating every possible time which donald trump may have said something about election security and the integrity of the election. >> i may have been told things that would directly contradict 's false claims later on in that ear. one of the other things, neil, that we are also reporting here at cnn is that vest gaiters have gotten access to thousands

of documents connected to rudy giuliani's team. it was put together to try to find election fraud after the 2020 election. jack smith got access to these documents this week, sunday, how significant could that be for the broader investigation that might go on, even after trump is indicted? >> all of it is very significant. there is an investigation into donald trump personally, we know that he was named as the target of the investigation by jack smith, the special counsel, and there's also investigations into other people. trump campaign officials, possibly mark meadows, trump's chief of staff, and others. the trump letter mentions three things that he may have violated, and there could be more, but the target letter just names three. conspiracy to defraud the united states, obstruction of an official proceeding, and a civil rights charge, 18 u.s. c

to 41. all of those depend on the idea that trump was trying to hide and obfuscate the results of the 2020 election. and, you know, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that donald trump thought he lost the election. i would be insanity after court after court, republican official after republican official told him that. so i think it is a tough defense, but i think jack smith is exactly right to say hey, that is the defense donald trump is claiming, so i better button up my case before bringing it before a jury. and so that is why you see him investigating every possible alternative, -- >> what about these other people like giuliani, for example, and folks like john eastman who we had heard so much about and the january 6th hearings. we've not heard of target letters for those individuals. do you think that, if trump is indicted this, week that he is

likely to have codefendants? that this is in fact a conspiracy that jack smith is trying to ledger? >> that's a great question, the truth is we don't know. you could see it either way. target letters are not required to be given, so you could say that the absence of one doesn't mean anything. but on, the other hand, they are generally done with investigations of this magnitude so it could read as potentially significant. i think if i had to rate the tea leaves i would say that jack smith understands that the case against donald trump's of the most immediate moment and there is a clock ticking, because trump has already telegraphed's defense. it is not a legal defense, it's a tensed that says that the special prosecutor is biased against me and i'm going to win the election and terminate the prosecution. now the special counsel regulations under which jack smith's disappointed are absolutely an answer everything

donald trump is saying. i drafted those special counsel regulations when i was a young justice department staffer and my podcast this week goes into real detail about those regulations and how they work. the most important thing for your viewers to understand is that, what they mean when they are used. and for jack smith it is not the biden justice department that as prosecuting donald trump, it is not the merrick garland justice department that is investigating donald trump, it is an independent prosecutor of the justice department, a non politically person, and that is what special counsel regulations provide and that is what we got here. when you hear all that nonsense about biden's after him to try to take down his opponent, just understand that these regulations insulate and jack smith from any political. >> you have a long history with the justice department, you see

right now, i think, so much attention on the doj and they're independents or, perhaps, questions about whether they are independent. one of those comes from republicans about the hunter biden investigation that just concluded. we just learned tonight that the u.s. attorney who is leading that investigation, david weiss, he agreed to testify at a congressional hearing this fall to explain how he got to the charging decision that he did. is that the right call? >> i'm glad he did. obviously i'm not privy to all the details in the investigation, and so, one but in general i would like more transparency in our justice system. and here i think it is really important for viewers to understand that this prosecutor that investigated hunter biden, joe biden's son, was not appointed by merrick garland or joe biden, he was appointed by a guy named donald trump. it was the chief prosecutor in delaware with a presidential nomination by donald trump, and

what the biden justice department did was keep him on, which is something that happens in politically sensitive investigations. you keep a former united states attorney on, particularly if they are of the opposite political party. so, in that circumstance, you do not have to worry that you have when you have an independent, when you have a non independent justice department attorney general investigating the president, here you have a cross party investigation. >> a very good point that that attorney was left to finish the job and, actually, in fact, later this week hunter biden will put in his guilty plea, we believe, in that case. neil katyal, thank you so much for joining us and for the viewers, check out his applaud cast courtside. i believe, wherever you get your podcasts. thank you again neil. >> thank. you >> and, up next for us, a

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as the nation braces for yet another possible trump indictment, one former white house official is sounding the alarm tonight. joining me now is miles taylor, he's the former chief of staff to homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen, and the author of new book, blowback a warning to save democracy from the next trump. miles, there is been a lot of discussion about whether or not trump actually believed the lies that he told about election integrity, but you have an interesting perspective on all of this. you oversaw -- from 2008 2009, do you believe that trump was aware of how secure our elections were? >> yeah, he was abby, and i was there for conversations with the president about it and i

think it's significant, the reporting you mentioned tonight from cnn, that the special counsel is now looking into that history of trump's knowledge about the election security protections that were being put in place. and your reporting has a meeting in favor of 2020 in which trump was briefed about the measures being taken to make it a more secure election, but i actually can go further back in time than that. in 2018 and 2019 we breathed donald trump on the measures that the department of homeland security, the fbi, and the intelligence community were undertaking to make the 2018 midterms and 2018 presidential election in this modern history. why is that matter? it looks like the special counsel wants to show what your last guest, neil katyal, tried to explain. trying to show that trump had a mindset to engage in criminal activity, which means that we need to have been aware that the elections were secured and

that there was no fraud and then take actions to turn against that. i think there is going to be a lot of focus on our my former friend and colleague, christopher krebs who led the security efforts and of course trump fired after crabs came forward and said, no, the election was secure, at the president is incorrect. i think that is going to be a big focus of the case against donald trump. >> as we go into this 2024 presidential cycle, the former president is really running on a long list of grievances that he has been nursing since he left office. in your book you actually warned that a second term could see him really preoccupied with this idea of a settling scores. in your view, what would that look like? >> yeah, honestly i think that if there is a second term of donald trump will witness the greatest abuse of presidential power in american history. that is not overstatement, that's with the people around donald trump has effectively

described him as they talk about department by department, how he intends to weaponize the powers of those departments to gain leverage against political rivals and to go after them. including appointing a rat of special councils at the justice department to go after various figures, including using the powers of the department of homeland security and the intelligence community to monitor rivals. i, mean this is pretty scary stuff. and there is a lot of episodes in the first term where trump was prevented from doing these things, that he won't be a second time. one of the frequent things i saw him try to do in the department that we were running was weaponized emergency aid. if a tornado or a wildfire happened in a blue state, donald trump was very eager to withhold that aid and less he could exact concessions from whoever the democratic governor or politicians were. often that was thwarted, the president was told you cannot do that legally, you have to disperse aid to victims, but it is those types of things that, in the second term, don trump

will look to the lord over the localities that he says, that he sees as a verse to his politics. that is very concerning and heard from a lot of trump officials, again, department by department, the interest in weaponizing those powers for political revenge. of course, in keeping with his normal behavior, trump has basically said the quiet part out loud. >> look, one of the parts of your story is that you were anonymous. you famously posted criticism of trump when he worked inside of the trump administration, but you didn't use your name. you then published a book about it. i wonder, as you see a huge swath of the republican base right now distrustful of the government, they believe there is a deep state that is working against, worked against trump, in fact, that idea undergirds a lot of trump's former advisers are trying to, do which is completely dismantle wide swath

of the federal government. do you think. that by saying what you said anonymously at the beginning, you may have contributed to that? >> i actually think i do, and i'm glad you asked the question. i have, you're one of the first to ask me that question that directly. it's one thing to talk about in this book, it's ironic coming from me, but i think one of the greatest dangers to our democracy is anonymity. it is the fact that, across the republican party, you have these politicians who, in private, will tell people like me that they think donald trump is a danger to democracy and a threat. and then in public they will go praise him and the maga movement. that anonymity is putting us in danger, we need those peoples to attach their names to that criticism. now, in my own case, my regret is not that i sounded the alarm anonymously. i do strongly support whistleblowers having the protection of anonymity if they need that. my regret is that i didn't come forward sooner, because i realized that, by coming forward, it made it easier for colleagues of mine to do the

same. it lowered that bar of dissent, because there is always strength in numbers, and i think that is with the current republican field needs to realize. chris christie should not be seen as an outlier, other people in the republican primaries need to say what they tell their friends and family in private about donald trump. they need to say it publicly, they need to not be anonymous, because our democracy does depend on it. >> you do talking your book about the personal toll that those trump ears took on you. you described it as a metaphor for the united states. tell us, what did you go through? >> yeah, abby, i always like to caveat this by saying that the goal is not to gain any sympathy. you know, we had a really hard road after i unmasked myself. it cost my home, my job, some personal relationships that were very important to me, my life savings. on election night 2020, because of the death threats, i was in a safe house in northern virginia under armed guard with a pistol under my pillow and,

frankly, grappling with addiction problems because of the stress had grown so high from the attacks. i tell those stories as a cautionary tale because the same thing is happening to local officials and state officials, and members of congress today because of the vitriol in our political environment. a lot of those people, unlike me, we're not prepared for it. i at least came from the world of national security. i knew what donated to do to protect myself and protect my family in the wake of this. but, election officials like we saw in arizona, we're not prepared for what came their way. and the environment that we are in is just as dangerous, if not more, so as then. and i want to point to a survey that just came out two weeks ago that showed that something around one in four americans had favorable attitudes towards political violence if their candidate loses. that is among the highest levels we have ever seen in the modern era. that is very concerning and does not bode well for 2024,

and law enforcement is trying to prepare for it. >> all right, miles taylor, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thanks, abby. >> up next for us, more lawsuits tonight against northwestern university over hazing. one of the players at the center is breaking his silence with me tonight, including claims of naked drills and so-called track -- plus the singer monica joins me live about how she jumped off the stage to help a concert goer and confront a man who is allegedly punching a woman. we will have that story, ahead. value to your customers. fast. reliable.. perfectly orchestrated. the uniteded states postal service.

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facing yet another, the fourth lawsuit to be exact, over its football teams a legit culture of hazing. lloyd yates, who played for the school from 2015 to 2018, alleges that he was the subject of sexual assault by his teammates and he just filed a suit that claims that the sexual abuse was directed at male players because of their sex in an effort to break them, to punish them, to control them, or get them in line. he also details naked drills that freshman had to do in the locker rooms during summer training. now, at least 15 former players have already announced plans to sue the university over the, quote, toxic culture within that program. joining us now tonight is lloyd yates himself and his lawyer, civil rights attorney ben crump. lloyd and ben, thank you both for joining us tonight. lloyd, i want to start with you here. can you walk us through these

specific events that you allege happened to you in this lawsuit? >> yeah we, i would say first that i hope by speaking forward and coming out, that this prevents any future athletes going through what i had to endure and many of my former teammates and colleagues had to endure. but i would say it centered around a culture of sexual violence, where we were forced to do acts and the nude as punishment, and as other kinds of initiation we were physically dry harmed and these are things that are graphic, especially as a young 17 or 18 year old boy who is trying to fit in and make his mark in college sports. >> lloyd, what impact did that have on your time as a player and time in college?

>> so i think it had a lasting impact on me and i think it is quite obvious, looking back and reflecting on it, more so than it was at the time. at the time, i think we are really embedded in a culture that normalized this kind of stuff. that made it seem like this is what we do when we play college sports, this is the culture at northwestern, this is how we become accepted and earn respect from your teammates. but, i think that one of the things that was really apparent was the subtle trauma effects in the moment. obviously because it was very violent, graphic, and dehumanizing, these different acts that we had to do. but realizing how that impacted myself, eight or nine years later after college, it is just really a devastating experience. >> then, i wonder, we have the testimony from lloyd here in this lawsuit, but is there other evidence of what he is alleging outside of that testimony that might come

forward in these proceedings? >> abby, we think in the days and weeks to come there are going to be many, many other former student athletes who are going to come forward to corroborate everything that lloyd yates has assad. it was a culture that was pervasive for all the athletic programs at northwestern university, and i'm very proud of this young man showing courage to speak up and to give a voice to this matter because far too many times others have just, for whatever reason, not spoken up about it. i will say this. lloyd yates is the first named plaintive who is not unknown to

come forward. and that it takes a lot of courage. i believe the lloyd yates lawsuit, it acknowledges that this is the metoo moment for college sports. and, hopefully, we can eradicate this physical, psychological, and a sexual hazing at colleges and universities across america. >> lloyd, head coach pat fitzgerald, he was fired in the wake of some of these allegations earlier this month, but he denies knowing about any of this. do you believe that he was aware of what was going on and what happened to you? >> i think what went on in northwestern, there is an article that came out recently that traced some of the hazing activities back to three

decades. so this is a long-standing, a long-standing culture. so i think it is nearly impossible for the coaching staff to not know what took place. this was a wide spread within the organization. >> do you think there are other coaches who are currently with the program who were aware of these allegations and what do you think should happen, what does the school do? >> there are some things that the -- it would not be appropriate for lloyd to comment on. abby, i would say this, about 30 more lawsuits in the days and weeks to come, and these are lawsuits from the softball program, the baseball program, even mascots talk about the hazing that they too had to

endure. so this is an institutional issue. it is bigger than one individual, it was embedded in the culture of every athletic program at northwestern university and we want to see them stop it. it is that simple. you have to have the courage to say, if anybody is hazing, you let us know and that individual will be expelled immediately. not to condone it, we need to condemn it. >> lloyd, earlier i heard ben just describe this as a metoo moment for college sports. do you think that that is what you are living through, and perhaps leading the charge on? >> i think that it doesn't brings a great point, first and foremost it is not about me.

i am sharing my story and bringing it to light, but this is about a bigger collective that has been silenced for so long, for many other reasons. so i think that attorney crump kind of hit it on the nail. what we are learning is that this is much, much bigger than my individual story and that we want to eradicate this within sports altogether. these sorts of behavior, these sorts of cultures that exist and persisted, they are not acceptable and we think that by bringing this to light we can make real change. >> all right, lloyd yates and ben crump, thank you both very much. we will be following the story as it goes forward. >> thank you, abby. >> still ahead for, us it is breaking records at the box office despite right wing backlash. we will discuss the politics of barbie. and next, the singer monica jumps off the stage, stopping

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he's cocky for a nineteen year old. there is some tragic news out of martha's vineyard tonight. the paddleboarder who was found dead after an accidental drowning is the personal chef of the obamas. we are told that to fareed had been visiting, but the obamas weren't there at the time, and in a statement, barack and michelle obama called him a truly wonderful man who made their lives better. our condolences to his family tonight. but on another story, our r&b superstar monica is receiving praise after she stopped her show in detroit when she witnessed a man allegedly assaulting a woman in the crowd. i want you to watch this moment. the singer jumped off the stage and into the audience to

confront the attacker. watch. >> no, don't you hitter like that. listen, listen, listen, if you don't get that out of here. yeah, you need to -- you are out of your mind. that remarkable, moment that altercation was saturday, night it was caught on tape, it is now gone viral on social media. and monica is here with us, and she joins me now. monika, really, i mean, i watched this weekend, i was, like wow. it is incredible to see you make the decision to do that, what made you shop off that stage? what did you see? >> honestly, that was just instinct, and i know that people don't have the opportunity to know was personally or on a personal

level, but the few that do know that everything for me as a matter of the heart, it is a matter of i am, ron i am a sister. i am a mother. i said mom. i am so many things that would allow someone to want to protect me. simply put, i didn't want to see her hurt or harmed, and her not make it back home after coming just to be a concert goer for myself and a ashanti who is also on the show. you, know these concerts have become what almost feels like a dangerous space and place, and i just really want that to change. so that is just my instincts kicking in. i do not feel like i am some form of superhero in any facet. but i did what i would hope that someone would do if they saw that happening to my aunt or mother, i could tell that she was, she is definitely milder. and there was a level of fear there for me, just watching what appeared to be a situation that could have been escalated even further, i was simply trying to de-escalate. >> when you jumped down there,

you confronted the man who you saw allegedly doing this, what did you say to him? >> no, it was more so, and i know these different views and videos, i am still getting used to the idea of things going viral. because in moments like such, you don't think about that, i am from an area that is pre-internet. none of that crossed my mind. what i was attempting to do was to get security who was standing there. i don't think they were able to hear or understand me asking them to remove them, he specially once the situation started to transpire. so for me it was all instinct but was simply just a matter of the hurt. i didn't want to see her, i didn't want to see her hit again. i didn't want them fighting, i'm a firm believer that all parties should keep their hands to themselves. women shouldn't advance, men definitely should not hit women. because at the end of the day, we don't have, there is no win for us for them, they are naturally stronger, and there

are situations that may have different outcomes, but i am grateful that both of them made it home safely. because anything other than that, i don't know if i could have ever imagined being onstage again if someone was hurt in a very serious manner at a concert. that is supposed to be a place of joy and fun. and i just pray that people start to govern themselves better their. you know? i think there was a lot to be learned from our side as far as security goes. the venue side i suffer as security goes. because ultimately it is the venues responsibility to try to keep them safe. but i just did not want to see someone harmed in a manner that wouldn't allow them to make it back home to their families. and that can very easily happen when you are fighting at a concert. >> so many artists face this exact dilemma about whether to step in, whether to stop the show or keep going, are you hearing anything from police about what happened between

these two people? what are you being told? they gave us a statement saying that they are still investigating and that no police reports have been filed. what are you being told anything? >> i wasn't told anything. the only thing i asked was was everyone okay. and i was told that both parties went home, everyone was okay. and that was my goal in that moment. anytime i, you know, i'm told something like that there is been an issue or problem or i have seen seniors being struck with items that concerts, i think the overall conversation needs to be not just about this one incident, but about the actions and behaviors when these festivals and concerts are happening. it is all dangerous, for, us for the punter goers, and that's not the way it is supposed to be. you are supposed to be having a good time, everyone is supposed to make it back home to their families. and every person that travels with me knows how i feel about people. i am not a girl's girl wanting to be famous. i am overlooking her family, my family is from noon, georgia. we slapped hogs and we love

each other so my. feeling when i see something happening is a feeling of compassion and concern, the other stuff is not important to me. >> well it was really remarkable to see you do what you did. and, i mean, i have to, say i mean, you can all be worried about your own safety having singer herself jump into the crowd. but clearly you did it because of concern for keeping everybody safe as your show. monika, we appreciate you, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you, i want everybody to get home safe for their families, but i wanna get home tonight. you guys, we can do better. >> that is exactly right, thank you again, and up next, we are gonna discuss the politics of barbie. that movie now dominates expectations, despite outrage. to sleep, so when our windshield cracked, we needed it fixed right. we went to safelite.com. there's no one elslse we'd trus.

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bottom lines of companies like bud light and target. but what about barbie? well, she appears to be a immune to boycotts. the movie, which is owned by the parent company of cnn, is a massive hit, bringing in more than 100 $60 million here in the added states on opening weekend alone. now this is despite attacks from lawmakers and pundits, senator ted cruz says it was repairing washing young girls, and shapiro said it is the most woke movie he has ever seen. even light barbie and candles on fire. joining me now is sharon waxman, she is the editor and chief of the wrap. so, sharon, there has been a lot of backlash, backlash to the backlash. why do you think barbie has been seemingly immune to some of that? >> well, because the movie is not aimed at people like ben shapiro and piers morgan. that might be one reason why, 63% of the opening weekend was a woman who went to see this movie in massive numbers. and i suspect a lot of them might go see it again.

so that is one thing, the other thing, of, horses that nobody was able to see the movie in advance to be able to raise a protest, a political protest. they could only do it after the movie had already opened. it was already on this juggernaut have to be this massive opening. >> but do you think that barbie is political in some ways? or maybe in the ways that its critics thinks that it is? >> the movie itself? oh, yeah, movie is most definitely political. gregory cowrote the movie but novak is a highly aware and i would say engaged political thinking artist. she is a feminist. if you've seen ladybird, if you saw little women, for other movies, the message there, which is a lot about women having agency or not having agency, and the actual reality of what it is to be a woman in 21st century society. that is something that is very much on her, mind it is very

much the theme of the movie. so i'm not surprised at all to see a backlash by certainly by conservatives, actually, you, know there might be more backlash coming as more people see the movie. but i do think most people understand that it's a movie. and it's meant to be fun, and it's meant to be entertaining. and that is really how most people are going to see it and break that fits, and barbie dream houses, and all of that. but, you know, any excuse to have an opportunity -- some, you know, what do your, point something we just want to go to the movie and in pink and have a little. fun sharon waxman, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> and thank you for joining me tonight on cnn prime time, i'm abby philip, and cnn tonight starts right now with sara sidon -- hey, sarah. >> we become an average nation, i think, that was a really good -- >> we are both just gonna be in our pink, it's okay, it's all good. have a good show. >> thank y