♪ good morning. we are so glad you are with us. 8:00 a.m. on the east coast. that happened fast, actually. >> yeah. flown by. >> you make it fly by. eric can hill, thank you. we are keeping a closeoy on the nation's capitol. january 6th grand jury will meet again today the third indictment looms over donald trump. we are also learning about an oval office meeting that has become a key focus of the special counsel's probe. the justice department is now suing the governor of texas after he refused to remove a floating border wall that the doj says is cruel to migrants. live to the rio grande as that escalates. shoplifting has become so bad in san francisco, stores are locking up frozen food, coffee, even mustard. we will have a live report.

this hour of "cnn this morning" starts right now. ♪ this morning the federal grand jury investigating donald trump's efforts to overturn the election will meet again. anticipation is building as the former president faces another potential indictment. we are now learning exclusive details about another oval office meeting that has become a focus of the special counsel. sources tell cnn witnesses are being asked about a february 2020 meeting where trump praised election security and improvements at his administration. weeks hater he started spreading conspiracy theories and casting doubt on the security of the 2020 election. >> the mail ballots they cheat, okay? they cheat. they are very dangerous for this country. this election will be the most rigged election in history. the only way we're gonna lose

this election is if the election is rigged. remember that. this is being done on purpose. they know it's no good. they know it's going to be fraudulent. who is getting the ballots? who is sending the ballots? >> chris christie joined poppy and weighed in on that reporting. >> i have no doubt in my mind, poppy, that it is hard, donald trump knows he lost to joe biden in november of 2020. but he has convinced himself by trying to convince others that the truth is otherwise. he never looked me in the eye and said to me, i know i lost, but he was very concerned beforehand about losing, and so it doesn't surprise me at all the reporting that you gave overnight. >> let's bring in cnn's senior legal analyst elie honig,ry khari sellers and peggy collins. good to have you with us today.

let's pick up on that. chris christie was talking about there is so much discussion right now as we're all waiting to see could there be an indictment. there is so much talk about intent and whether what we are learning new overnight shows any sort of intent but there is also the real conversation about how a person's mind can change. i believed a, but today i believe b because i learned something. >> this is a great example of why it's so difficult to prove intent, because you can argue it either way, right. if i am a prosecutor, i am arguing he knew the election was safe, he embraced that celebrated it. that shows he knew he lost, there was no fraud. or you could argue minds change, you get new facts. we want our policy leaders to adjust to the facts. donald trump will say people told me this was stolen. therefore, i believed it was stolen. so this is a back and forth. one thing that's important to keep in mind, when it comes to a criminal courtroom, it's not a question of who has a better

argument. prosecutors have to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. that's not easy. that's why this case is not going to be a slam dunk. i don't think anything is a slam dunk. this case will be tricky. >> i am not sure i see the merits of going deep into this meeting. i don't think this meeting alone -- i mean, i am not sure how you get intent out of this meeting. that's my prig exist problem. i fi if you couple this an overt act -- jack smith probably has something. we are not sure what overt act donald trump committed to object instruct justice, to intimidate witnesses, to interfere with the process. we know what other individuals may have done. the question is can you get the guy at the top of the indictment. that is the question. we have see what the emails say from mark meadows, have to see what donald trump actually overtly did in the process. if you couple that with this, maybe it's clearer. that on its face, this meeting on its face, i am not sure it

does it. >> it will be interesting to see how this plays with voters. obviously, we have several cases now around former president donald trump but this is the one that really goes to the heart of democracy, right, in terms of the integrity of the 2020 election, january 6th, and whether or not that really sits in voters' minds at a higher level and how they really take that across the campaign trail because we have reported that already we know there is sgoing to be legal proceedings at the intersection of the primaries and donald trump's cases. >> sounds like there might be an impeachment inquiry against president biden listening to what kevin mccarthy, the speaker, told fax news last night. here he was. >> now you have found millions of foreign money just with the 1023 alleges they did to biden's family. now we found it funneled through shell companies companies. if you are sitting nour positio, we would know none of this. we only followed where the

information took us. but -- >> well this -- >> this is live to the level of impeachment inquiry which provides congress to get the rest of the knowledge and information needed. >> not a legal question. it's a political question. but what did you make hearing kevin mccarthy -- >> this is the power of the majority. this is why elections matter. if you control congress you can open an impeachment inquiry. i have not seen a smoking gun on this case. i think there are legitimate questions where hunter biden was getting his money from. clearly he was only getting his money because his last name is biden. what is missing is that definitive link to his father. i think it's an interesting political question. but how does that play to open an impeachment inquiry and potentially impeach in guy at this point? >> i am not sure where joe biden falls in any of this. i think most of america is like, what are we doing?

are you impeaching hunter biden? that appearance to be decently asinine. and you can't out of one side of your mouth make an mcceconomic argument -- because i believe bidenomics is working in a certain aspect of life, and then spend the majority of your time onnane impeachment inquiry where an election is on the line. >> well, it's called washington but in terms of -- in terms of why now, what would that look like, timing, if you look through that political lens it could be clear why this is continually at the top -- at top of mind and why perhaps this impeachment inquiry could happen at this moment. >> well, i also think it goes back to the voters in terms of fatigue, right, and chris christie in his interview with you said he thinks he is the guy to actually get something done. this is the question that people keep having time and time again in washington. what are you actually doing to

help us when it comes to prices, when it comes to the economy, is this political theater. >> and what theater are you going to watch? i mean, honestly. are you watching just you continue to dig into the rabbit hole after hunter biden or watch the trial in miami, miami, florida, of the former president of the united states or in atlanta, georgia, or in new york, or in washington, d.c.? >> we don't know about atlanta yet. >> atlanta's coming. >> oh, just sayin', we don't know. >> the obvious. >> fannie is a bad boom, okay? she an amazing prosecutors. ask many other rappers in the city of atlanta right now. the rico indictments are building as we know down there. having that type of political theater on its face far surpasses any impeachment inquiry from the sexiness of it. >> thank you, elie, peggy, bakari. texas is refusing to remove the border barriers in the rio grande as the federal government sues. the governor vowing to fight the biden administration in court.

>> we will litigate it initially in federal district court in texas. if we lose there, we will be going to the fifth circuit court of appeals and eventually to the united states supreme court because texas is defending its sovereignty and constitutional right to secure the border of our state and our country. >> the biden administration is asking a federal judge to force texas to get rid of that floating barrier put in there to deter migrants. it's about 1,000 feet long. the governor says there is a fence, like, device hanging from the bottom of it to the bottom of the river. the justice department says this is dangerous and illegal. the government saying it's illegal not because of immunization issues. we should point out there, it's a different statute. what are you seeing on the ground? >> reporter: well, we actually just shot video, erica, of migrants, and these are children and woman who are walking along

the wire on the rio grande again to the point that all of this is happening, there is this giant legal battle, and it's not stopping illegal im gmigration. let me show you the border barrier at the center of this legal battle. if you look, you have to look beyond two sets of cancer tino wire and then you see the buoys in the river. according to the lawsuit, these buoys were deployed unlawfully. the state of texas did not obtain permits before deploying these buoys. this caused an international incident because mexico is concerned these could be on mexican territory, they are investigating that, and now there is this legal battle. but if you take a look at our camera right now, you can see like these are women and children who have skirted all of these border barriers and what they are having to do is walk along this wire. our understanding is that

further south as they continue walking they will meet up with law enforcement, u.s. border authorities, that then take them for processing. and about the humanitarian concerns that are raised because of all of these border barriers, take a look at this video. we were here on this property when a pregnant woman needed help and the property owner shared the story with us. she says that this woman was -- was on the banks of the rio grande, needed help. law enforcement had to cut through two sets of wire and a fence to provide aid. take a listen. >> i cannot imagine anyone eight months pregnant having to go through this, getting cut through the wire, feeling like you are being chased by the state, and then asking for help at a fence. >> reporter: as you take another live look out here, you can see

that migration is still happening. erica, that's one of the big points here. you see all of these different bored barriers, you see these buoys. the buoys have a beginning and end. i can see it from right here, and that's the bigger point. the buoys that are at the mid of this legal battle, showdown between the state of texas and us doj is not stopping illegal immigration. my dw migration is continue. it's the humanitarian point, is what the property owner where we are live at, that's her concern. she doesn't want more people, more migrants dying on her property because of all of these barriers. >> yeah. and important to let that sink in, too, the humanity and the people involved here. rose a, excellent reporting. thank you. so good to have you there. more than 345 million people

under heat alerts. 36 large wildfires are burning across sten states. multiple cities are seeing temps 10 to 15 degrees higher than the normal average breaking records. stephanie elam is live from vegas. still incredibly hot, right? >> still very hot. it's going be hotter today than it was yesterday here in vegas. we are seeing for the rest of the week in vegas and also in phoenix that temperatures are going to be above 110 degrees. and we are just seeing these records just being shattered day before day. in phoenix, they are going on 26 days in a row of temperatures above 110 and even their overnight temperatures are setting records. they are at 15 days in a row with temperatures above 90 degrees. there is not even a respite at night. people are still dealing with the temperatures that are super, super hot. look at el paso, which they are going on 40 days in a row where the temperatures have been above 100 degrees.

i need to show you this video of what happened in south texas during this heatwave where these parents accidentally locked their keys in the car along with their infant child and you can see the father breaking out the windshield to get to the baby. someone climbs in, gets the baby and hands the baby out. officials did show up later to check on that baby after they had already rescued the child and the baby is okay. no charges filed. looked like it was an accident. keep in mind that day temperatures were at 101 tying the record for that period. so just look at how hot that was and how dangerous that could be. this heat dome that we are seeing spreading into the midwest, into the plains, also we are seeing miami also having heat index for 44 days above 100 degrees. this heat shifting in the plains. with we will see basically most of the lower 48 states with temperatures that are above average for this time of the year and heading into the northeast as well. you guys will see some record

temperatures towards the end of the week. what's really interesting here, we have a new report coming out saying these temperatures that we are seeing in july would not be possible without the human induced climate change. so that tells you again we have to do some work to save our planet and the climate here because this is becoming suffering. >> dramatic change needed right now. stephanie elam, thank you for being there. death rates were higher among republicans than democrats during the pandemic after vaccines became readily available. those findings from a study looking at the ohio and florida. so what does it all mean? dr. sanjay gupta joining us with those details. when 14-year-old emmett till was lynched, his murder became a catalyst for the civil rights movement. what president biden is doing today to honor till in what would have been his 82nd birthday next. and advice can help you prepare for today's longer retetirement.

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. there is a new study looking at political affiliation and how people fared during the pandemic in certain states. the study found that after covid-19 vaccines were readily available, republicans were more likely to experience higher than expected death rates versus democrats. these were overall deaths, weren't covid deaths. really interesting. it was published in the american of the -- journal of american association in ohio and florida. so what can we glean from this? chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. so when we look at this again, this is about florida and ohio, and this is looking at overall death rates after the vaccine

became readily available. what is the take way? >> well, the way that they sort of figure this out is they look at the observed number of people who died and then they look at what was expected in terms of number of deaths. that's what excess mortality really means. we can figure out those numbers. then these authors looked at voter registration files and said is there a correlation here between observed number of deaths and overall voter registration files. and what was interesting is that up until april of 2021, the first year or so of the pandemic, there was not a significant difference between republicans and democrats. but then as you say, starting in may of 2021, remember vaccines that's when you saw the f 2021, significant differce about a 43% increased death rate among republicans versus democrats in terms of excess deaths. now, one thing i say, you have

to be careful with studies like this. that's a simplification. there could be other factors. age, for example. pre-existing conditions. where you live. socioeconomic status. overall, in terms of this one tactor, republicans versus democrats, they found it was significantly different after the vaccines came out starting in the spring of 2021. >> age is something i thought a lot about when i was reading this study. it wasn't controlled for age to make it apples to apples. was this just due to vaccination status? we don't know? >> i think for the point you made, we don't know for sure. but we can say vaccination status plays a big role. let me show you something. this is some of the reporting we you look overall just at me when hospitalizations. unvaccinated versus fully evacuated. this tells the story. for people over the age of 18, january through november of 2021, significant difference, obviously, between the unvaccinated and the vaccinated. but again to your point, poppy,

there are other factors. the greatest disparity, the greatest differences you saw was in people over the age of 75. what does that mean? are there more people republicans over that age? you know, fewer democrats? we don't know. so you can only take this sort of data for what's presented here. there could be other confounding factors. but i think it's safe to say vaccinations played a huge role here. >> when we look at where we stand now in 2023, heading into the fall, where do we stand with covid? where do we stand with even vaccine status? >> okay. so if you look again tat this excess mortality issue and say, okay, how far above or below with regard to projected or expected number of deaths, the country expects a certain number of deaths every month, every year. where are we with respect to that? in this graphic, the orange line is sort of the expected number of deaths. and the blue is what we're seeing. so that's a good picture in the

sense that the observed number of deaths is below or right at the expected number of deaths. you have had a couple of surges, as you see there, earlier in the ap but that's where we stand now. going into the fall, it's a little bit of a still open question. you've got new variants. some of those variants are escaping existing immunity, which is why there have been boosters recommended. i think overall, if you look at the country, i thi about 17% of the country has had the updated boosters. and, you know, there has been discussion about future shots and only about 33% of the country says that they are actually interested in getting some of these shots on a regular basis. 32%. so that's where we stand. i will say that if you look at some of these projections, more than 90% of the country probably now has been exposed to covid. so there is a fair amount of infection acquired immunity out there as well on top of the vaccine acquired immunity. the problem with both of those,

though, is they seem to have limited efficacy in terms of time. they may last for months in terms of preventing against, you know, getting sick or requiring hospitalization. so you need to have updated immunity. >> this is so interesting, sanjay. always good to see you. thank you. >> you. on what would have been emmett till's 82nd birthday, president biden will designate a national monument honoring the black teenager. in 1955, emmett till was 14, from chicago, was visiting family in mississippi when he was abducted, tortured and shot to death after a white woman accused him of allegedlily whistling at her. she later admitted to lying about it. sara sidner spoke to emmett till's cousin. >> we know that it's time that we have a seat at the table, that our family has a seat at the table so the erasure, the

reimagining of the truth is not retold in way that it removes the deg anity, the sacrifice and horrific nature of what happened there because we don't want that repeated. >> she went on to call her aunt, till's mother, mamie till-mobley, a hero. she will also be memorialized. she insisted on an open casket funeral so the world could bear witness to her son's gruesomely mutilated body. some monuments have been shot at. it will consist of three protected sites. the first unveiled at the chicago church where till's funeral was held. other will be at the courthousen sumner, mississippi, where that all-white jury acquitted till's murderer after an hour of deliberation. the third site believed to be

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. welcome back. a wave of new legal action against social media companies in the midst of what the u.s. surgeon general has called a youth mental health crisis in this country. >> too often kids are social media are exposed to extreme, inappropriate and harml content. half of adolescents say that social media makes them feel >> a report warns teenagers are spending 3 1/2 hours on social media every day. every day. and he says this is resulting in depression, anxiety, poor sleep, eating disorders and

cyberbullying. >> the american federation of teachers issued a report calling on social media organizations to rein it in, citing the dramatic disruption in the teaching and learning ecosystems of our nation's schools. well, now hundreds of school districts across the country suing the instagram, facebook, snapchat, tiktok. why? joining us is mark burn, representing 40 school districts, including the aspen school district and their lawsuit against big tech companies. cnn senior media analyst sara fisher with us as well. mark, regarding social media use among kids, you said that, quote, there is no -- we have an epidemic that is no different than opioids. can you explain what you mean by that? >> absolutely. the major social media companies have written their algorithms to intentionally addict children,

school-aged children, to their algorithms. this is no different than drug companies that sold opioids and claim that they were not addictive. certainly, the social media companies are doing the exact same thing. >> it's a really interesting argument. i think one of the differences, sara, is the lawsuits against the opioid companies, purdue, pharma, others, mthey can point to deaths. here you're not pointing, largely, to deaths, and i wonder what you think -- given all of the litigation so far against these big social media companies, even up to the supreme court on separate section 230 matters, haven't really proved successful. >> yeah, to your point, section 230 is a law that shields these big tech platforms from being sued or held accountable for some of the third-party content on their sites. however, it doesn't mean that

these platforms shouldn't be held accountable for using resources more responsibly. that points to what we are seeing with this lawsuit. instagram has tools to combat bullying. snapchat has taken the fentanyl crisis seriously, has tools to prevent messaging that. youtube stopping radicalization. what mental health experts are warning, included upg to the surgeon general, is this is just not working, that teens are not experiencing the same level of joy and optimism that social platforms thought could bring them in they first rolled out. >> i want to read what meta, the parent company of facebook and instagram and now threads, says. reports from the cdc and others point to growing academic pressure, concerns of safety in schools lingering impact of the pandemic and limited access to mental health care as key factors. we want to work with the schools and academic experts to better understand these issues and how social media companies can provide teens with the support they need. mark, what do you say to that,

and you are suing them? >> well, i clearly -- clearly they have a desire to defend their actions and that is not going to work with respect to what they have said. this is -- this is an epidemic with respect to our school-age children. children, as we heard a few moments ago, are spending over three hours a day on social media. you have various platforms such as snapchat, where children can find out exactly what their peers are doing virtually at any moment. and if they're left out. we see this cyberbullying, the children becoming very adept at watching other kids, but it's

affecting them on a moment-to-moment basis, and it is something that the large social media platforms can certainly control to at least a degree. >> so, mark -- >> when the internet first came out ten years ago or so, a little more, there were about 300 how to users. today, there are 4 billion users in the internet. this is something that must be controlled or our school-age children are going to continue to suffer, and suffer dramatically. >> quickly, before i let you go, one thing that stood out to me, you are doing it behalf on the school districts, right, who are saying we are having to deal with this. why do you believe this will be a more effective lawsuit going after these companies from that angle as opposed to from a parent who says i can't control this with my kid, i don't know how to break through this algorithm, or from a child who

says the same thing? why is it the school district? >> there are certainly -- there are lawsuits involving parents and children, but we believe that the school districts, whose bujs are continually being stressed, and now have to put out much, much more money just to combat the social -- the mental illness caused by social -- by the social media companies, and we believe that the school districts are entitled to get that money back. and so just as in opioids, it's an abatement cause of action where we're trying to get the additional money back for them. in a small district like aspen, they have had to put on three new full-time health care professionals, which is going to further stress the budget.

all of the schools in this country need to more money and y do not need more -- they do not need to be spending more money every day on these types of problems. but they certainly are. >> sara, the insurance companies were successful in taking on big tobacco in the '90s because they said you marketed to kids and you knew it. and those that went after the opioid creators and distributors were successful because they said, doctors, you knew it was addictive, companies, you knew it was adidictive and you did i me wray. could that lodge gic work if ths taken to the higher courts? you knew about addictiveness, we know it's harmful because of x? >> it could if they knew about it. the challenge and this is where the lawsuits will run into a little bit of a road bump, tech

company companies are doing so much, they are cog so much to address these concerns to build wellness centers. there is check-ins for different kids. a lot are building separate products just for kids to try to address this. facebook has messenger for kids. youtube has youtube kids. so i think the hard thing about the defense is that with the tobacco companies they didn't have much that they could point it say they were doing. social media companies for the past five years have been trying to tackle this problem. >> trk. >> fascinatek. certainly not the last time we will be talking about it. thank you. stores in san francisco are locking up all kinds of things. not just baby formula. ground coffee, frozen food. all in response to a spike in shoplifting. and, wow, what our cameras captured while they were rolling in the store for this story. >> did that guy pay?

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new this morning, retailers in san francisco are intalking unprecedented security measures. all there to protect against rampant shoplifting in the city. exit gates, chain locks, as you see right there, key locks, as you see in this image to prevent thieves from walking out the door with the merchandise. even mustard. morning this story, it is, i am

flord by what you found, kim. >> reporter: you know, it's hard to imagine barbecue sauce behind plexiglass. if you live in a big city, you are not unused to seeing this. you have to call the attendant to open up the plexiglass. but chains and locks are fairly unprecedented. and we are talking about neighborhoods where there are multi-million dollar homes lining the streets. so we wanted to figure out why. richie greenburgh walked into a walgreens when he saw in the frozen food section this. >> heavy chains that went from padlock to padlock on both sides of the doors and this was bizarre, something i never saw before. this is just more icing on the cake telling us that rampant crime is -- has become a regular part of life. >> reporter: so typical that in the 30 minutes we were at this walgreens -- we watched three

people, including this man, steal. did that guy pay? >> come again? >> reporter: did that guy pay? >> no. >> reporter: he didn't pay? walgreens says this richmond neighborhood store with aisles of products like mustard locked behind plexiglass has the eye exist theft rate of all their nearly 9,000 u.s. stores, hit more than a dozen times day with thieves turn to closing out ice cream and frozen burritos, workers resorted to the chains. they were ordered down by corporate because of the negative messaging. but walgreens isn't the only retailer impacted in san francisco. have to ask an employee por help. at this store, frozen food is controlled with a cable lock. fake eyelashes locked mbehind plexiglass with ocean and nail polish. another grocery store, $14 bags

of coffee under lock and key. what is this? >> i don't know. i don't understand why coffee -- >> reporter: here she is. oh. >> it's become kind of like a police state in san francisco. i don't know how to describe it. >> reporter: it's not part of city life, the way people should be living, right? that includes folks commits the crimes. mom of three, small business and community advocate, says these visible problems in the city are leading to renewed activism driven by residents like the recall of the city's district attorney last year. >> what we've seen, especially in the past couple of years, is less tolerance, more exasperation and more movement to action by everyday san franciscans to change how the city is run. it's not enough right now. but there is a change and i think you willy we will get there. >> reporter: matt dorsey, former police spokesman and recovering

drug addict, sees the shoplifting as a systemic problem from city leaders to an under staffed police force to the fentanyl crisis. >> when you see that level of retail theft, that tends to be subsist ins level. >> reporter: people are hungry? >> people are hungry. there is a level of addiction playing out in many parts of the city. it's happening at levels we haven't seen in san francisco. what i'm hearing from my residents and from san franciscans is it's time for tough life. we are not doing ninny addict favors by enabling behavior. potentially deadly in ways we haven't seen. >> walgreens talked to drn and said that it is focused on preventative measures, safety, but retail crime is one of the company's top challenges, especially in san francisco. here is something to keep in mind, poppy and erica, that the crime rates for property crime and violent crime at the end of

2022 were lower than before the pandemic. the challenge for the city here is that this sort of crime, this widespread sense of retail theft, is something that is so widely felt. >> interesting point, too, in your piece about a lot of this being about subsistence. it's food and those necessities. great reporting. appreciate it. thank you. is the success of barbie and "oppenheimer" save movie theaters? >> all you needed was one weekend. >> it's fine.

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♪ we've come to this place. magic. >> you remember that? if you've been to an amc movie theater, you likely have seen nicole kidman's enchanting location during the pandemic. as it turns out nothing was able to do that like, you guessed it, barbenheimer. cnn senior entertainment reporter harry enten. good morning. good good morning. huge weekend, huge weekend. this morning's number is one, barbenheimer in the domestic box office, two films that debuted at least $80 million in box office the same weekend. so it was a huge weekend. a lot of folks saw "barbie," the

fact is both films, "oppenheimer," did tremendously in the box office. >> that's great. this is the first time this actually happened. >> yes. >> which is a big deal. is one weekend enough to change the fate of movie the nears everywhere, harry? >> well, i would say, probably -- not necessarily, if we're looking at the 2023 domestic box office, yes, we're up year over year, 16% in the domestic box office. but we're still well south of 2019, right, where we're down 19%. so, no. we haven't made it back. but i wanted to take us down a little bit towards memory lane and give you an understanding, you know, this idea of a twin bill. with twin bills, this is the first time two great movies debuted in the same year, look, 1980, "the empire strikes back" and the shining," 1984, "ghostbusters" and "gremlins"

2008, "the dark knight" and "mamma mia." any of these your favorite? >> all of these pairings -- how many of these movies have you seen? >> almost all of them, i haven't seen "the dark knight." oh, that "the shining" i don't do scary movies. >> only "ghostbusters" and "mamma mia." we've got a long list to catch up. just ahead here, 3,000 miles across the country from california to florida. he's the first transperson to do it, why did he decide to make a trek he's been dreaming up since age 10? he'll tell us. for a limited time, save $400 on select stearns & foster mattresses. was also the first time your profits left you speechless.

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coast-to-coast run. 2800 miles in a span of four months. cal is running to raise money to fight the anti-trans bills in state legislature. we spoke to him about this incredible accomplishment. i was really struck, something you said in a statement you said i run across america because i love to run. i also happen to be transgender. those things are not related but my humanity, passions and personalness have been publicized by far-right extremists. they're targeted. what has that been like for you? we talk about this a lot but i don't know that we often hear as much as we should from people who are directly impacted by these attacks? >> that's right, i so appreciate this question. we know that transpeople in sports is sort of the hot topic. and a lot of the anti-trans rhetoric centers around the

buzzword of science and biology. but transpeople, specifically transwomen who are targets have no demonstrated biological advantage in sports. something i love to say, you know, people are like -- transwomen are dominating sports, i say, can you name three transwomen dominating sports right now? the politicization of transgender identities is something new. we are sort of the new political scapegoat. i myself am a transgender athlete. i think that playing sports, running, having fun that is something that all people should be able to enjoy. i think there's something deeply american about sports, as we know. and, yeah -- >> well, and sports can be a way, truly, to bring people together as we've seen over generations. i know you're really hope fful with this run that you'll be meeting people along the with whom you could have

conversations. >> did you have those moments? >> absolutely. and what i found running across the states with the most hostile, political views on transpeople is that policies do not reflect people. i think that the majority of people are relatively ignorant about transgender identities. and that is human. none of us were raised with the -- with the tools to be able to articulate these things. myself, i came out of trans in my early 20s and i have never met a transgender person that i was aware of. i didn't have the language to describe my identity. so, we're all sort of learning together on this. and i think there's sort of a societal reconciliation with some antiquated beliefs about gender that hurt all of us. and i find that most people are very ready to have those conversations. most people are excited to learn. and meet people who are different from them. and as an educator myself, ignorance is simply an

opportunity to educate. and i find that very galvanizing. >> yeah, i think you major such a great point that when we actually talk to people, it is amazing what those conversations can be. what they can lead to and reveal, cal dobbs, congratulations on a very impressive feat -- feat, i didn't mean to it, but i know you have a lot of important work ahead of you as well. thank you. >> thank you. >> 2800 miles no small feat -- no small feat. congratulations to cal. thank you for starting your morning with us, i'll see you back here tomorrow. "cnn news central" is now. ♪ any moment, the grand sure holding the power to indict donald trump and special counsel jack smith's january 6 probe is expected to meet. that means that very