tonight, police completing their search of gilgo beach murder suspect rex heuermann's home after 12 days. authorities they recovered, quote, quite a lot of evidence in the search. among their findings, 280 weapons. the district attorney describing the home as, quote, very cluttered. the d.a. also said today that no remains were uncovered in the yard, which investigators did spend days digging up using ground-penetrating radar, a police dog, and a backhoe to try to do an exhaustive search. now investigators face the gargantuan task of parsing their findings for more clues. thank you so much for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. tonight on "360," the surprising journey of former u.s. marine trevor reed, from a russian prison to a ukrainian battlefield and injured in the

war against his former captors. later, congressman jim clyburn joins us to suggest new florida teaching standards suggest there is a relationship to slavery. showing the potential side effects of wildly popular new weight loss drugs like ozempic. good evening. it has been more than a year since we last mentioned the name trevor reed on this broadcast. reed was the former u.s. marine detained by russia for more than 2 1/2 years until a prisoner swap was arranged by authorities in april of last year. his parents had worked hard to keep his plight in the public's mind and were thrilled to learn he was released. today we learned that trevor reed decided at some point to go to ukraine and fight against russian troops. we don't know his motivation. was he inspired by ukraine's resistance to an invading invasion or a blow against being held in a russian prison. we do know he was injured during the fighting and has been flown to a u.s. military hospital in

germany. the extent of his injuries is not known. at the time of his release, reed was said to be in poor health. his father said he suffered a broken rib during his captivity. also coughing up blood, possibly the result of a tuberculosis infection. he also engaged in two hunger strikes the to protest his treatment. jim chute dsciutto joins us now. >> my understanding was this was his personal choice, driven in part by him wanting to do his part to help defend ukraine against the russian invasion. he is not alone in that. there are a number of former american service members who have done that, and former service members from other western armies who have gone to join ukrainians in the fight. but i will tell you this, anderson, that the biden administration is deeply concerned for two reasons here. one, it does not want the give any impression that the u.s. is sending or encouraging american,

particularly former members of the u.s. military to go fight there. but two, also they're concerned about ongoing negotiations for americans still held wrongfully by russia, including evan gershkovich, but also paul whelan. >> and he is being treated at a military hospital in germany. he wasn't in ukraine in any official military capacity. why would that be the case? >> well, it appears that the u.s. wants to do its part to help an american, regardless of his decision, he was wounded in combat there, and they want to provide him the medical treatment, the best medical treatment possible. as i understand it, it's not a life-threatening wound. however, whelan wanted to get the best treatment due to the location of the wound, better to get it from u.s. doctors, of course, highly skilled at this, than the treatment that was available in ukraine. and that was a request that the u.s. accepted. >> you said whelan.

you meant reed. >> reed. sorry. >> you were talking about paul whelan, and he is one of the americans still being detained. you also mentioned evan gershkovich from "the wall street journal." could this have an impact on negotiations to get them out? >> we don't know. because, of course, the russians are mercurial. these negotiations are always difficult. russia has always been guilty of changing its demands, raising its demands in the midst of negotiations. but i will tell you this, anderson, there is deep concern within the administration about the potential affect of this, because those negotiations are so difficult. as i said earlier, it's partly about not wanting to escalate the war in ukraine. they don't want russia to believe that the u.s. is deliberately sending former service members there, but also the idea of someone being released at great effort from russian captivity through negotiations, a prisoner swap, and then going back to fight. they're concerned russia would use this as propaganda points. and i think you heard some of

this in the statement from the administration today. have a listen. >> as it relates to the other american citizens who continue to be wrongfully detained in russia, as i as secretary, as matt as ambassador karstens and others have said, we will continue to engage directly with the russian federation, calling for their release. you have seen us do so in the case of paul whelan, evan gershkovich, and will remain deeply engaged on those issues. >> that of course the diplomatic language of a public statement. i will tell you, anderson, that in private, administration officials are genuinely concerned. >> jim sciutto, i appreciate the update. there is also new reporting tonight tonight on what actually happened when yevgeny prigozhin launched that military assault inside russia, started sending his troops toward moscow. still not clear why he stopped that assault, and what deal may have been made. but tonight we do have a clearer picture of what may have been going on in the kremlin in the

early hours of the incursion by wagner forces. it comes from "the washington post." their headline, "putin appeared paralyzed, unable to act in first hours of rebellion." shane harris shares the byline of the story and joins us now. shane, you just walk us through your reporting of what happened in the kremlin during the first hour of the prigozhin rebellion? it paints a very different picture of vladimir putin than people are used to seeing or believing. >> yeah, that's right, anderson. really to put it succinctly what happened is not what officials were expecting to see, which is namely vladimir putin was not giving orders that were then traveling down the chain of the military command to local commanders and security officials who would have been trying to stop prigozhin on this lightning strike that he was making up north to moscow. and as sources described it to us, there was paralysis and indecision coming from moscow and the leadership. cia director bill burns said last week russian leaders appeared to be adrift as this incredible scene was playing

out. so really kind of a picture not of a russian leader in command, but one that was indecisive and potentially afraid to try to counter prigozhin, this war lord who he has depended on so much in the war in ukraine. >> which is such a blow to the mystique of vladimir putin, a mystique he himself has worked hard to try to create. >> yeah, absolutely. i think that's one reason why this was such a telling series of events. we all watched as prigozhin really directly challenged and tried to undermine i think putin's rule and authority. he said his beef was with the military leadership and the defense establishment. but really, that's shot at the russian president himself. and now to see that essentially there was silence and indecision, people down the chain waiting for putin to tell us what do you want us to do after he had gone on national television and talked about trying to squelch this rebellion. it's very much at odds with that portrait he portrays of someone who is in total command, who

demands authority, who demands loyalty. this seems to be somebody who was on his back foot and really not clear on what exactly he wanted, and not sure he had a plan for how he wanted to counter this. >> all the more interesting, because you report he actually had some advanced warning. he had intelligence from russian security services. how -- do you know how far in advance, or what did he know? >> our sources tell us about two days in advance, he was given warning that something was afoot, that prigozhin may have been planning something. and there were indications of that among western intelligence as well. and there were fortifications made at key establishments in moscow, including around the kremlin. weapons were handed out. so at least in the initial phase, it does seem as if this is someone getting ready for some kind of attack. but then the orders what to do after that never really come. and then of course we all sort of watch as prigozhin stops, and this deal gets hammered out with the president of belarus.

so still things that we don't know about that in particular and why prigozhin ultimately stopped. but putin did have some warning that this person who he had come to depend on was potentially going to make a move. and as we saw, he did in the military headquarters in the south of russia and then turned his sights on moscow. >> it was also interesting the reaction, i guess i should say lack of reaction among local officials in some of the regions between moscow. >> this is where they would have been looking up the military command saying what is it that you want. with no word coming down, they were really left to interpret this for themselves. and again, this is much more i think in keeping with the image that we've seen frankly of the russian military for more than a year now in ukraine, where the lack of central communication coordination appears to be often kind of a lumbering apparatus where the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing. but this, again, does go

squarely down to putin as somebody who would have had to give orders in this urgent situation for what he wants it done. the people on the locals on the ground were left listening and waiting and trying to make it up for themselves. >> it's really fascinating your reporting, thank you. >> thanks. >> prior to the war, russian operatives, including prigozhin were perhaps best known in this country for their alleged attempts to interfere in u.s. elections and politics, including using front groups to organize protests across the country like one in houston in 2016 where russian troll group organized two opposing demonstrations to take place at the same time. now appears according to a new report a company linked with chinese media is doing the same. cnn's donie o'sullivan has the story. >> reporter: this protest in washington, d.c. last summer looked like any other demonstration, but according to cyber experts at google, all is not quite what it seems. they were reportedly hired by a pr group with links to chinese state media.

>> they're essentially a pro-prc propaganda operation. >> reporter: this week a report alleging a pr firm that says its content partners include chinese state media had hired unwitting americans to organize a protest in washington, d.c. >> for a long time they were essentially a troll factory. but they have really escalated their tactics. they were able the get roving protests to happen and ended up in front of the white house. this is a really aggressive tactic. >> reporter: the aim of the firm, according to holquist is to spread pro-china propaganda and stoke division in the u.s. >> we did a demonstration that dealt directly wi ly black live matter and pro-choice. >> reporter: a 24-year-old from baltimore told cnn he was hired through the popular freelancing website upwork. >> it felt like no different

than anything else i was contracted for. go to this event, get some info, take some photos, do some transcribing. >> reporter: writing says he was first asked to corp the international freedom summit as a journalist and the protest came later. but he said he had no idea he was working for an entity pushing pro chinese messaging. >> nothing anti-american. i want to keep stressing that. they said what kind of demonstrations could you possibly put on? would you be down to do something like that? do you have any ideas? hey, two things matter to me, black lives matter and this abortion situation that just happened with the supreme court. >> rice is an entrepreneur, musician and activist. he runs his own company and even performed at the kennedy center. he sells freelance services on platforms like upwork where transactions are sometimes anonymous. and in this case, did you speak to anybody on the phone? >> i did not. but that's nothing out of the

ordinary. >> reporter: that ability for buyers to remain anonymous is a boon for people running covert influence operations. >> i think in most cases people just had no idea who they were working for. cowork influence has always been around. but there has really been an explosion of that capability over the last decade. >> reporter: three months after this protest, wright says the same contact asked him to stage another one, this time against a u.s. ban on goods produced in china's region. >> when we were asked about that project, i personally, and a lot of people on my team felt that america was doing the right thing by stopping production in that region of the world. so what my counter was, listen, unequivocally, we're not telling the story from one side. we are going to tell a neutral story about this. and we got people to say hey, listen, we're going to put on a

reenactment of a demonstration for b roll for a documentary. >> reporter: wright said he staged a fake protest to use azreen actment video for a documentary. but that never came to fruition, and the chinese posted these images to social media, making it look like a real protest. clearly you're a smart guy. this whole thing about staging a protest for b roll for a documentary, surely something about this must not have smelled right to you. >> that was my idea. >> but when they came to you and said hey, do a demonstration that's about a policy, energy policy that relates to china and national security. >> in no way did that feel odd to me. >> nothing to set off alarm bills? >> no. and if it did, i wasn't put my organization myself in a situation that felt odd. >> does it matter to you that this is some kind of operation that's run that's tied to beijing or not? >> of course. if this is an organization that

is anti-american, that is going to impede or disrupt or cause harm to the american people, then i 100% care. how can i not care? >> donie o'sullivan joins us now. so what is the chinese government saying about this? >> yeah, anderson, this appears to be a pretty sophisticated campaign. for its part, the chinese government is denying it has anything to could with this. a spokespers for the chinese embassy hen d.c. told cn yesterday it was not aware of this company's report, and quote, i want to stress that china has always adhered to noninterference in other countries' internal affairs. upwork, the platform where imani was hired by ts group told cnn in a statement that this kinof behavior is a clear violation of its terms of service. and anderson, i just want to show you one more thing. this is a screen shot from a report on az central. that's the website of the arizona republic. this alleged chinese group managed to get an article published on the arizona republic's website about the

protest it had paid to stage in washington, d.c. the group actually leveraged a kind of automated news wire service to get this on to a real american news website. the publication of course has since removed it and informed the wire service of misinformation. but really a sign of some really sophisticated stuff and something to keep in mind as we go into the 2024 election campaign. >> yeah. we're going see a lot more like this. donie o'sullivan, thanks so much. up next, florida's stunning decision to teach middle schoolers, and i quote, that slaves developed skills that in some instances could be ascribed to their own personal benefit. we'll talk to james clyburn, a former history teach and more. and bronny james, the oldest son of lebron james hospitalized after suffering cardiac arrest on the court. what we know about his condition. ahead. debatable. - it's pronounced gif. - it's gif. what is the point of decaf coffee? ev hybrid d plug-in hybrid to each their own...electric. find yours at the lexus golden oppoportunity sales event. ( ♪ )

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at the white house today, president biden signed a proclamation establishing a new national monument honoring emmett till and his mother mamie till-mobley. they'll be located in mississippi where till was murdered and at a church in chicago where his funeral was held. today would have been emmett till's 82nd birthday. nearly 6 years ago while visiting family in mississippi, he was accused of whistle ing aa white woman. he was kidnapped, tortured and shot in the head. his mutilated body was found day later in a river. emmett till was just 14 years old. at a funeral, his mother kept

the casket open, saying, quote, let the world see what they did to my boy. photos of him in has casket helped spur the civil rights movement. months later rosa parks refused to give up her seat saying it was emmett till's murder the reason. the men accused of till's lynching were acquitted by an all white male jury. months later they confessed to the murder in a magazine interview. but today, all these years later, several states have taken steps to restrict or change how racism is taught in schools. president biden referenced thatted a toot's ceremony. >> at a time when there are those who seek to ban books bury history, we're making it clear, crystal, crystal clear how darkness and denialism can hide much, they erase nothing. they can hide, but they erase nothing. we can't just choose to learn what we want to know. we have to learn to know what she should know.

we should know about our country. we should know everything, the good, the bad, the truth, who we are as a nation. >> just last week, florida announced new social studies guidelines for middle school studen students will be taught about various kinds of work that enslaved black people were forced to perform. exales listed are agriculture, carpentry and transportation. and then it says, this quote, instruction include how slaves develop skills which in some instances could be applied for their personal benefit. a florida's teachers union calls it a big step backward. just before air time i talked about it with democratic candidate james clyburn, who was once a public school teacher in south carolina. congressman clyburn, thanks for being here. as you know, florida is requiring instruction for middle school students to include, quote, how slaves develop skills which in some instances could be applied for their own personal benefit, end quote. does that make any sense to you? >> well, thank you very much for having me, anderson.

first of all, absolutely none whatsoever. unless you're looking for some way to whitewash history. i'm pretty interested in finding out what all is in that list of suggestions as to how they should teach history. i'm wondering today what will be taught about the rosewood massacre that had such an impact on florida, and i'm sure would have an impact on anybody reading the history of florida. >> the governor -- ron desantis is now saying that he, quote, wasn't involved in the new instruction requirement, but he did defend it. i want to play what he said. >> i think what they're doing is i think that they're probably going to show some of the folks that eventually parlayed, you know, being a blacksmith into doing things later in life. but the reality is all of that is rooted in whatever is

factual. >> i mean, the idea of somebody learning some blacksmithing skills while they were enslaved, and that somehow something they were able to parlay -- it just seems a really inappropriate rewriting of history. >> it's a very inappropriate way to rewrite history. the leg irons i suspect were tooken off of them so they could turn it into gates. i know a whole lot about blacksmithing in south carolina. phillip simmons, we used to celebrate him all the time. but that's not what this is. this is about whether or not people are being held against their will, irrespective of what their duties and responsibilities are to that system that they have brought into and did not ask to come into. i've been saying for years that we should teach the full history

of this country, the history of those who came here in search of freedom, as well as the history of those who came here having lost their freedom. those who came of their own free will, and those who came against their will. those histories must be taught and taught truthfully. and i think that desantis is showing people every day why he is ill prepared to be president of the united states. >> i was just down in mobile, alabama in a community called africa town, which was founded by the -- founded by a group of enslaved africans who were brought here on the slave ship clothilde, the last ship in 1860. one of the things that is clear is many of those enslaved africans on the clothilde had skills when they came here. they knew how to do plenty of stuff. it wasn't as if the people who enslaved them were teaching them

anything. they were enslaving them. they were preventing them from using their talents for their own benefit. >> absolutely. in fact, we just recently opened the international african american museum down in charleston. and the biggest exhibit, one of the biggest exhibits in there is called carolina gold. it's a room dedicated to what made the charleston economy the biggest economy in this country. and it was rice. and the people who knew how to do rice, how to harvest rice, how to build the rice paddies, that skill came to this country in the heads of those enslaved people. they brought it from africa with them. >> you attended president biden's proclamation signing ceremonyoday establishing the emmett till and mamie till-mobley national monument. i know you tweeted, mamie till mobley refused to let the world shy away from what happened to

her son. we need to fight to the efforts to erase this country's history. you are a student of history. what do you think happens if history is erased or glossed over? >> we will so weaken this country until we lose respect around the world, it would be the end of not just democracy, but it would be the ending of this country as we know it. i think it's high time for people of good will to begin to speak up about this. you remember martin luther king jr. in his letter from the birmingham jail told us that he was coming to the conclusion that the people of ill will in our society were making a much better use of time than the people of goodwill. and the people of goodwill must begin to make better use of their times to fight off these foolish things coming from people who are looking to make political hay out of the misfortunes of families that are still suffering from that today.

>> congressman clyburn, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. just ahead, the latest on lebron james' son bronny james the day after he suffered a cardiac arrest during a basketball practice. plus conversation with legendary coach jim boeheim who helped coach two of the olympic teams that lebron played on. m that can do bothth. brew to your heart's desire with the l'or barista system. a masterpiece in taste.

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bronny james, the oldest son of nba superstar lebron james is out of the intensive care unit and in stable condition. that's according to a statement from his family. bronny suffered a cardiac arrest while participating in a practice at the university of

southern california where he is an incoming freshman. his father, the nba's most famous player and one of the greatest of all time is quoted as saying he plans to stay in the nba so he can play one year on the same team with his son. i'm joined by cnn medical analyst dr. jonathan briner, of the cardiac catheter lab at george washington university. how common is cardiac arrest in young athletes? >> it's very rare. all told in the united states, every year there are probably only between 2,000 and 5,000 cardiac arrests in people under the age of 25. but we see this in competitive athletes. there are about 100 to 150 young competitive throats who will die during competition every year. and while that number seems relatively low, that's an athlete dying every two to three days. so we see this. and even though it's rare, these are young people. so every one of these events is

really a catastrophe. >> that seems -- that number seems really high to me. just so people know, what is the difference between a cardiac arrest and heart attack? >> right. so a heart attack is basically an injury to heart muscle that's typically caused by a clot that blocks the flow of blood in an artery that supplies blood to the heart muscle. a cardiac arrest is basically the sudden cessation of cardiac heart movement. now a heart attack, you know, caused by a blood clot can cause a cardiac arrest, but not every cardiac arrest is caused by a heart attack. and a heart attack in an otherwise vigorously healthy 18-year-old athlete like bronny james would be extraordinarily unlikely. and typically, the causes of a cardiac arrest in an athlete have much more of a genetic and primary sort of arrhythmic cause. >> we saw what happened to damar

hamlin, the football player after a collision that resulted in a cardiac arrest. so assuming -- we don't know if there was a collision or not involving something that actually his heart was actually physically hit, you said it could be a genetic thing. what in the genetics and is that something that can be screened for? >> right. so the damar hamlin episode was basically a one-off event. a one in ten million kind of thing that happened to him when he got hit in just the right place, just the wrong time. when an athlete like bronny james has at least what little we know about it, a cardiac arrest during practice, that is more commonly an outcome of a genetic predisposition to something like hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, which is a thickening of the heart muscle which can predispose a heart to

beat erratically and cease contracting during vigorous exercise. or some athletes have a primary sort of cellular predisposition for arrhythmias. >> is there a chance he can play again? or a chance he wouldn't play again? is it something that has long-term effects? >> most of -- many of the conditions that would predispose an event like bronny james are life-long events. the risk doesn't go away. many people who survive a cardiac arrest, and i want to say that if he had a full-on cardiac arrest yesterday, enormous credit has to be given to the staff at usc for promptly reacting, probably doing cpr and defibrillating him. but his risk will continue. and many people who survive a cardiac arrest, i would say probably the vast majority of people will require something like an implantable

defibrillator. that is probably not professional sports and particularly the nba with its extremely high activity is not the kind of sport that someone with a defibrillator with likely play. >> we certainly wish him and his family the best and a speedy recovery. thank you. i want to get some perspective on the game and the physical toll kit take on young men from the legendary basketball coach himself. he is jim boeheim. won a national championship at syracuse. he is a member of the basketball hall of fame. he was an assistant coach in the 2008 and 2012 olympic teams that included lebron james. he also understands the family aspect of basketball, having coached two of his sons at syracuse. great to have you on. i'm sorry under these circumstances. in your time coaching young men, people in this sport, is this something you've seen before? is it something you as a coach were concerned about? >> well, i think it goes back to

hank gathers, really, at loyola marymount when they didn't have a defibrillator there. >> it was 1990. >> yeah. and he didn't make it. today we're much better prepared. we all have trainers and defibrillators. so i'm sure the usc people did a great job. my heart's kind of broken right now after listening to the doctor, because, you know, we're all thinking coaches, we think positively. we think that this is going to work out, and bronny is going to be back. the thing with bronny that i always was impressed with, he never took anything for granted. he never used his name. he was -- i thought a very good player a couple of years ago, but he has made himself into a really, really good basketball player. and when lebron first started talking about playing together, i said well, lebron is going to be 41, and bronny is going to be

a freshman or sophomore. i thought well, this isn't going to happen. but when you watch lebron james, he is going to do a tom brady if he wants to. he is going to play until he is 43 or 44 if he wants to. and his son would be able to play with him. i think the one thing that always impressed me with lebron, his wife savannah, they just were around us and the olympics two times. and they just are great parents. they have their kids' best interests at heart. and they're always trying to do things to help their kids. that's what you saw. and, you know, when you have two sons like i did that play for you, you just want them to be healthy. that's what you worry about. and i think the basketball community right now is scared to death, particularly after

listening to dr. reiner, because bronny has worked so hard. he has never been given anything. he is really developed himself into a tremendous basketball player. and a guy that has a chance. it's hard to play in the nba. it's really hard. i remember seeing lebron, i saw lebron when he was 17. there wasn't any doubt he was going to play in the nba. he was 6'9", 250 pounds. but bronny has made himself into a player that has a chance. >> yeah. >> and his parents have been unbelievable in his development and working with him. >> i want want to point out, we don't know the details of what happened. we don't know how severe it was. i know dr. reiner expressed possibilities. so i just want to let's wait until we actually find out more information. we certainly are hoping for the best for his entire family,

obviously, and for him. jim boeheim, i so appreciate you being on. thank you so much. >> thank you. appreciate it. coming up next, back to politics. a look at what happened when republican presidential hopeful vivek ramaswamy went looking for support in a place full of trump voters, ahead. ear ringing, and even hearing loss. never miss a momentt with lipo flavonoid.

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as we've been reporting, former president trump is ahead and republican vivek ramaswamy is in single digits. over the weekend, he announced he met the donor and polling thresholds to qualify for the debate. recently, ramaswamy found some strong backing in a room full of trump supporters. cnn's elle reeve reports. >> reporter: vivek ramaswamy is a 37-year-old extremely wealthy pharmaceutical entrepreneur, running for president as a republican. he captured conservatives' attention after writing a book on wokeness and tweeting a lot. in we asked people what they liked about him at a conference where he was speaking. the event was attended by some 6,000 conservatives, most of whom cheered wildly for the headliner, donald trump. tell me what you think about vivek ramaswamy? >> i'm excited by vivek because i see a newness in him. i like his goals. i like his values. i like what he says. >> i first really came to know vivek from the speech he gave at

the nra convention. trump had spoken at the same conference, and it was very trumpy. vivek came in and had real direct appeal. it was not about him. it was about the audience. >> i came here to tell you why i became a gunowner. >> reporter: he is gaining praise among supporters of donald trump, who says he will pardon him if elected and he says he will further trump's agenda. >> there is a wall here where people with put post-it notes about each candidate. some say nice things, some say bad things. you can't tell this is trump's head anymore. daddy, handsome, save us, you're our last hope. so here we have mike pence. generally negative tone. we've got traitor, you lost, loser. so vivek, we've got a whole variety. vivek, have my children, vivek nt, future president. i like you, but you'll never win, possibly vp? tell me what you wrote on the post it?

>> i wrote great guy, great vp. >> reporter: why vp? >> i'm not sure he is seasoned enough yet. >> i think trump is going to win. but i'm voting for vivek ramaswamy. >> and what is your path to the nomination aside from trump, for whatever reason dropping out of the race? >> the path is very similar to the trajectory that he took as an outsider the last time coming in. i'm polling ahead of where he was in 2015. the debates haven't even started. i think the debate stage is going to be critical. >> i think both him and trump have a fight chance. >> do you think he would do well in a debate? >> i think he would sweep the floor with ron desantis, that's for sure. >> reporter: desantis has fallen out of favor with some in this crowd. but that didn't kill their appetite for a campaign against wokeness. >> woke capital landfill is bad for capitalism. but it's also bad for american democracy. >> reporter: a big part of ramaswamy's message has been against woke corporations that he says are promoting messages of diversity that hurt their own profits. so what do you think about ramaswamy's campaign against woke capitalism? >> i think a lot of these big companies like disney, they do

push nor liberal agendas. i think like apple or google, even though they are private companies, they're so large that you can't just avoid them. they also give all -- pride month. >> reporter: what do you think of the argument that gay people were historically marginalized, depressed, couldn't even have their own bars, they got raided all the time. so pride month now exists to not to give them a leg up, but to say yes, you are equal members of society? >> i think that's a fair point, that they were treated unfairly throughout history. but at what point does pride month go away? when does pride month become two months? when does it become pride year? >> reporter: ramaswamy is known for giving a lot of interviews. >> let's talk about woke capitalism. this new sort of we'll call it the woke left. they blow what i call woke smoke. >> when you talk about anti-woke-ism, my objection to it is -- >> stop you right there. i feel like you keep putting words in my mouth. i never talk about anti-woke-ism.

i talk about national identity. >> okay, sorry. when you talk about woke-ism as a negative thing. >> as a symptom of a deeper cancer. >> a symptom of cancer is not a positive thing. >> but it's a position how i want to talk about. >> my objection is there is not annoying people on twitter. of course there are. >> put that to one side. >> reporter: but there are problems of racism in this country, and i have concerns that what you're telling the audience is like actually no, there isn't. there is no more problems, there is nothing that needs to be addressed, there are no disparities. you don't have to worry about that anymore. and you can even be angry that someone asked you to worry than. >> i think the right way to deal with what i view as the last final burning embers of racism is to let them quietly burn out rather than trying to put that fire out by accidentally throwing kerosene on it. >> reporter: but those embers don't always go out quietly, which was evident even at this conference. we have a little bit of the dark

side here. we have a star of david crossed out that says soon. now that's a 4chan joke saying there will be another holocaust. we have two nazi jokes here. everything else, though, pretty positive. when cnn pointed out these notes, a spokesperson took them down. you're not responsible for the people who put that up. but it was a very stark remind they're that kind of bigotry still exists, and it is in a lot of places you wouldn't expect. >> i can't speak to that particular instance. i'll tell you my experience in this country. have i experienced racism? yes, i have. but i reject the myth that hardship is the same thing as victim hood. >> that is why we will end affirmative action in every sphere of american life. >> running against donald trump is a death shot for any political campaign. however, vivek is someone who is getting name recognition by running. >> i don't know that he should

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you've obviously heard about the new diabetes and weight loss drugs ozempic and wegovy. they've recently skyrocketed in popularity for their dramatic results. but now doctors are raising concerns over some potential new side effects. the fda says they've received reports of users experiencing stomach paralysis and some users tell cnn they're still living with side effects almost a year after they stopped taking it. according to the latest data from the maker of ozempic doctors were writing around 60,000 new weekly prescriptions for the medication as of april. cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta joins me now. so what more do we know about these new concerns? >> by the way, 60,000 new prescriptions, that is just a remarkable number. the popularity unbelievable. you know, one of the things about these drugs, the way they

work, they're known as glp drugs. basically, they're trying to mimic something known as glucagon. and that stimulates the body to produce insulin. that's why it's a diabetes drug. that part we get. but what it also does as far as hunger and appetite, it slows down how quickly your stomach empties. that means you feel full longer and you don't want to eat as much. so you have two sort of effects there. one for diabetes, one for hunger. the concern is that even after a while of taking this drug it slows down your stomach emptying a lot. this is what a study showed, this new study, that five weeks some people are taking these drugs and the time the food actually takes to clear the stomach with the drug, about 70 minutes. and to give you context, with a placebo in that same study it took about four minutes. so in part that's how the medications are supposed to work. that's how it curbs appetite. but for some people it's just taking too long. it's just taking too long for the food to actually get out of the stomach. the stomach's becoming

increasingly paralyzed and that's become a problem for folks. >> what happens when food is in the stomach for too long? >> so you know, if the food does not clear after a certain amount of time, that is known as gas tro parisis, or stomach paralysis. that's essentially what this is. but what they found when they looked at both these drugs, ozempic and wegovy, and they found you had symptoms of nausea and vomiting. that's typically what people -- they don't feel well. with ozempic about 20% nausea. 9% vomiting. wegovy higher. 44% nausea, 24% vomiting. again, that is the specifics of the types of symptoms that people are complaining about. but it all relates to the same thing. it all relates to that decreased emptying of the stomach. >> and what's the fda and drug companies saying? >> so the fda at this point is saying yes, we know about this, there's been a lot of reports. what they're trying to weigh is the risk versus the reward. is there still enough of a

reward with this medication in terms of its effect on diabetes, in terms of its effect on weight loss, to outweigh the risks? and that's something the fda is talking about now. one thing i will say is that diabetes itself can also cause gastroparesis or stomach paralysis. so how much of it is the drug, how much is diabetes, that's something the fda is going to look at. on a practical level, though, anesthesiologists have weighed in on this. you know, you're not supposed to eat before you have a surgery. the reason you don't want to eat is you don't want food in your stomach. what the american society of anesthesiology is saying, you should stop these medications at least a week before surgery so that you're not accumulating food essentially in your stomach that you could potentially aspirate during an operation. so that's a practical note there. >> all right. sanjay, appreciate it. thank you. >> you got it. >> we'll be right back.

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