individual world gold medals, with none other than michael phelps. this is the moment that the 26-year-old dominated the 1500 meter freestyle, at the world championships happening right now in japan. she is so fast, you can see here, you can even see the other swimmers in the video as she reaches the end. ledecky finished with a final time of 15 minutes, 26.27 seconds. she beat the second swimmer who is behind her by more than 17 seconds. >> i'm really enjoying swimming right now. especially in these events, i feel like i'm getting better each time i swim them. that's what you love to see. you love to see improvement. that's been my biggest goal over the next several years. >> we love to see it as well. congrats to katie lubelski. think you so much for joining me tonight. cnn prime time starts with abby philip, right now. >> she's so amazing, it's such a full circle moment to see her

tying michael phelps, someone who she idolized for a long time. caitlin, thank you so much. >> yeah, epic moment. >> good evening everyone, i'm abby philip, thank you for joining me tonight. he is a twice impeached, twice indicted, and now he's facing more charges. yet, the most republican voters now still think that donald trump is the parties best chance to be president biden. here is that some of the take away from a brand nepo from monmouth. trumis still far ahead of his rivals, well it's still early, got florida governor ron desantis and the rest next to the field. they're essentially flat. they've been unable to gain any traction in this race. here are the most interestg parts of all of these new numbers. nearly 70% of republican voters believe that trump is the strongest candidate to beat biden. and nearly 70% aren't concerned at all that the criminal indictments that he faces make him a weaker candidate. so, is perhaps no surprise, that since many of trump's rival spent the last few years building him up, those numbers aren't likely to change.

and they also aren't likely to make senator mitt romney happy. he's doubling down tonight on his calls for lower tier candidates to get out of the race. >> i think donald trump is likely to be the republican nominee. but i'm confident he will surely be other public nominee if it doesn't become a two person race. >> are you concerned there's been no alternative to trump? that has materialized yet? >> the desantis campaign is at a hard time. and is now downsizing. i don't know if that's gonna catch fire. i saw tim scott's numbers are going up, chris christie's going up. there's plenty of opportunity. >> joining me now, cnn's melanie fanone, republican strategist, michael singleton. melanie, the red lights are really blinking it seems for republicans. they're starting to get worried. trump's numbers aren't budging. it's indictment after indictment after indictment. voters in the republican party still think he's the strongest candidate to go up against biden. >> yeah, that absolutely right.

i think the desantis campaign own admission, they've struggled with the message. he's focused a lot on what he's done in florida, focused a lot on his fight with disney. as opposed to a more national message, which could better resonate with the base. he's also struggled with how he's gonna take on trump, or how strongly he's going to take on trump. that's something he's still wrestling with. his campaign is promising a reboot, in a new campaign, not totally uncommon to see those sorts of resets, especially the summertime around this time. in the meantime, trump is really used these indictments to rally his base of support, and has only strengthened his standings in the polls. now, that might hurt him in the general election, at least in the primary, it seems to be helping him. >> i mean, he's laid off now a third of his campaign, struggling to conserve money. also, i think fundamentally, struggling to capture the imagination of voters. oh that other stuff is really window dressing to the fundamental problem, which is that desantis doesn't seem to

be grabbing people who really are looking for an alternative. >> look, abby, he's not an inspiring candidate. he entered the race at the end of may. average out the republican presidential campaigns, the fact that he has fired a third of his staff, he's almost out of money, we're about two months, in month two i believe? that really is unprecedented. usually don't start to see these types of drastic changes to personnel until after the primary hit started, in terms of votes being cast. so, that concern number one. this guy is expected to potentially become the nominee? yet he can't appoint the proper individuals to properly manage his campaign? this isn't all inspiring. if you're a donor, and you've given a significant of money to desantis campaign, you're looking for someone else. if you're a bungler, going to those wealthy individuals try to make the case for why he is the better alternative to donald trump, you're not able to make that salient points thus far. , today it is a spoken too much about this anti woke agenda, and less about the economy. less about immigration.

less about those kitchen table issues that most republicans want to hear from republican candidates. >> melanie, you've got some interesting reporting tonight on what seems like a different topic. to me, they're related. this is kevin mccarthy, on capitol hill, now saying he's considering opening an impeachment inquiry into president biden. to me, that sounds like republicans hitting the emergency button, as inflation goes down, the unemployment rate is down, border crossings are also down. they are moving to hit the gas on these investigations. >> yes, these comments of speaker kevin mccarthy were not an accident. i can tell you for my reporting with my colleague manu raju and andy -- in recent weeks, kevin mccarthy has been hearing from influential republicans, both on and off capitol hill. he should be prioritizing a joe biden agent. especially over an impeachment of a cabinet member, for example, republicans have been all over the map with their calls for impeachment. calling for impeaching everyone for merrick garland, to alejandro mayorkas. there is a realization starting

to set in among republicans, they're probably only gonna have both the time in the political capital to do one impeachment. if that's the case, they might as well go after the big guy, as one republican referred to former president -- to presidential biden. >> abby, i understand why they're doing this. in part because the republican base. they want some type of targeting of a democrat, the way they believe donald trump is targeted twice. melanie and i were discussing this before we came on the show. there should be some concern about potentially galvanizing democrats in 2024. joe biden could use a bit of a boost, if you will. i think it would also appear to be over political-ization, from a public, and by those telling voters that they're gonna need the republican nominee that, is in states like arizona, pennsylvania, ohio, georgia. i think they have to be very, very careful with the calculus here, it could backfire. >> thank you both very much. an unexpected twist tonight in the story of trevor reed.

you might recall, he is the u.s. marine veteran who's at the center of a prisoner swap with russia last year. reed had spent three years, wrongfully detained, by russia there. well, we're now learning that he's been injured fighting in ukraine. it's not clear how long he's been there or where exactly he was injured. but we're being told that he's now being treated at a u.s. military hospital in germany. the biden administration has been quick to emphasize that reed was not acting on behalf of the united states government. >> since the beginning of this war, we have warned that u.s. citizens who travel to ukraine, especially with the purpose of participating in fighting there, that they face significant risks. including the risk of capture or death or physical harm. so, i want to be explicitly clear about something, mr. reed was not engaged in any

activities on behalf of the u.s. government. >> joining me now is the former trump state department spokesperson, morgan ortega. us next for joining us, morgan. this trevor reed situation is so strange so unusual. you hear there, i mean, you've been in that position, basically. you hear there the sensitivity that biden administration has to distancing itself from what happened here. why do you think that is? >> well, there's a few things that are going on behind the scenes for the spokesperson. first of all, anytime it comes to cases of u.s. persons, the state department has to be incredibly careful with the language and what they say. they can't run afoul of laws and regulations relating to that person's privacy. so, that's often can be incredibly frustrating for the american people, whenever you want to hear answers to particular stories or reporters ask the state department spokesperson, xyz. there's often privacy issues behind that. that explains some of. it also, it doesn't matter what

americans were doing to get themselves into a troubling situation. we don't leave americans behind. so, we always looked at cases at the state department, and i've served in multiple administrations and barack obama's administration, i was his attachés treasury, in addition saudi arabia. when you're in these embassies, when you're in the state department, it doesn't add math matter the administration, abby. what the individual did, we don't leave americans behind. so, i'm confident they're trying to do everything they can, in this situation, get him the care he needs. listen, he was held captive for three years. it makes sense that it may be wants to fight back to the russians after what they did to him in that prison cell. the state department is always gonna say, hey, listen, please don't get yourself untangled in wars overseas. >> do you think this will have an impact on some of the other americans who are still detained in russia? the state department is involved in some very sensitive negotiations around those other individuals. including the wall street

journal reporter, evan gershkovich. do you think this will have an impact on the? >> well, unfortunately, what is happening with those cases, in the wall street journal cases is one of the most high-profile one of the worst right now, unfortunately, putin likes to use these americans as bargaining chips. so, he is going to, it that wasn't a surprise to me at all, that he took this reporter unfortunately. he's gonna use it to try and get concessions out of the biden administration. because he's a thug, he's an autocrat, that's what they do in these situations. they have no qualms about wrongfully detaining americans, wrongfully detaining journalists. in order to use them as a bargaining chip. this is where i think the administration needs to be really careful. whenever you want to do everything you can to get americans home, especially innocent journalists. but when you allow putin to get really bad guys, like tough criminals, out of american prisons, and to do prisoner swaps, that could, in fact, in the long term, actually

endanger more americans. because they incentivize that behavior. it's one of the reasons why we've never paid terrorist groups to get americans home. why won't pay the ransom. we don't want to incentivize this behavior of terrorist groups, we certainly don't want to incentivize putin to continue this behavior. >> i want to ask you about a different topic. over in china, it's been very interesting to see, the chinese foreign minister, he has been missing for about a month now. they have scrubbed all evidence of his appearance from official documents. almost as if he was never there. what do you make of that? >> bizarre. totally bizarre. i'm so glad you're covering the story, abby. i have been following it, many people who worked on china have been following it. you know, it's very interesting. we have seen the foreign minister, who was reportedly very close to she jinping. sort of his mentor, brought him up politically. now, you see him being scrubbed, essentially from the internet.

i was watching that happen, reporters were showing that today. they will try to wipe this guy off the map. like he never existed. he was the foreign minister. so, what does this show us? especially whenever you see putin and prigozhin, when you see prigozhin in this weird coup attempt or whatever it was, it shows that putin and xi jinping, these autocrat regimes, they appear very thuggish, very strong, very intimidating. but underneath it all, there is a deep insecurity that has to lie in these leaders to engage in this type of behavior, abby. i see a lot of insecurity and there is dreams. remember, it wasn't long ago, just a couple months ago, that putin and xi jinping stood before the world. what did she jinping say, and i'm paraphrasing this abby, he said there was an no limits partnership between himself and putin. he said that the world was gonna see a change, and the world order that are not cede in 100 years. so, instead of that actually happening, you see these weird

attempts by prigozhin in russia. you see the foreign minister, now just being wiped off like he never existed in china. so, i'm not sure that xi jinping is going to get this change in the world order that he expected. certainly, we know that there are cracks in both of their regimes tonight. >> yeah, in addition to prigozhin, as you mentioned, there are some missing generals in russia too. morgan ortega, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thanks, abby. coming up next, slavery in the holocaust. now being used for political points recently. next, a holocaust survivor will join me live to respond to a fox news hosts comment at the white house is calling obscene. plus, as the situation on the border gets more intense, migrants tell cnn, rocks are being thrown at them. and the biden administration uses a big battle in the courts. also, bob costas joins me on lebron james is so suffering

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enslaved and taught them skills. today, the white house is now condemning a fox news segment, in which our host said this. >> obviously, i'm not black, i'm jewish. when so it say about the holocaust, for instance, that there were some benefits for? while they're hanging out in concentration camps, we learned the strong work ethic? maybe learned a new skill? >> did you ever read man search for meaning? they talked when i had to survive in a concentration camp by having skills. you had to be useful. utility. utility kept your life. >> in a statement, the white house said, in part, quote, what fox news allowed to be said on r yesterday has so r failed to condemn is an obscenity. the auschwitz museum also condemned his comments as, quote, oversimplification of the genocide. joining me now, holocaust survivor, michael ornstein, and his daughter debbie -- they are authors of the book. survivors club.

michael and debbie, thank you both for joining me. michael, as a holocaust survivor, what do you think about what you just heard being said there in that clip from fox news? >> well, i'm disgusted basically. my father was an accountant. he had basically negotiating skills, he and my brother were gassed in auschwitz. my mother knew how to pack -- learned how to pack bullets that killed jewish people. there were over 6 million people killed in the holocaust. over 1 million people killed in auschwitz. there is no silver lining to killing 6 million people. or talking about slaves and the benefits of slaves and learning what they were doing. >> debbie, you know, what your

father is talking about there is survival. not personal benefit, when you hear these things being compared, whether it's slavery or the holocaust, what goes through your mind? >> you know, the reason my dad wrote survivors club, he did not want to initially sit down and talk about his past. he never really wanted to talk about his past. seven years after his liberation, he and i were looking for that video, this famous video of my father when he was liberated from auschwitz. we knew we could google it and find, it we googled it one, day we clicked on a site, it took us to a holocaust deniers website online. these guys captioned a video of my dad at liberation, pretty healthy children, for a death camp. and wrote that more people writing in that this shows lied about children being killed on arrival in auschwitz. all kinds of garbage on the internet. no surprise to anybody that

there are conspiracy theorists on the internet. so, it fueled my dad to get out there and start talking and writing. it didn't shock us. what's shocking is when a guy in a blazer, who is the host on a major news network gets on the air and spews that same kind of garbage, that minimizes the murder of 6 million people, that is what is really shocking and really, really dangerous and upsetting. >> fox news host should apologize, fox news network should apologize. there's absolutely no room for fake news like that. >> and false equivalence is. >> speaking of exactly that, we are in, it, seems this big national conversation about how we talk about history. as survivors of the holocaust snow, and their families, the mantra is never forget. never forget so we can never

happen again. as you think about, michael, how we talk about history in this country, are you at all concerned that there is a desire to paint the rosy is to picture of our history, in order to make people feel more comfortable? >> i think people are looking for notoriety. whatever it takes to get the audience to listen to the news, whether it's fake news or whatever is necessary, and i think it has to stop. as i said, fox news should apologize. the host should apologize. and there's no room for this fake news on television. >> what my dad said, was exactly right. i think it is about notoriety. whether it is politicians looking for notoriety in florida, or hosts on tv looking

for notoriety right when they say outlandish things. the problem is, just as you said, painting that rosy picture, it's incredibly dangerous. the more we water down history, the point of teaching history, history professors will tell, you the point of teaching history is so that we don't repeat it. if we don't learn from history, it's bound to repeat. if you take that away, any water down history, what do you get? we get a repeat. we get a repeat of the bigotry, the hatred, it's just really upsetting. really, really upsetting. >> michael bernstein and debbie bernstein, thank you both. we're lucky to have you both preserving your story, and this history, thank you. >> thanks for inviting us. >> thank you. >> as migrants accused the united states of throwing rocks at them, some fear a new surge that the biden administration is now facing, and also, in the courts, losing a legal battle.

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tonight, growing more intense. a group of migrants from venezuela, telling cnn, members of the texas national guard threw rocks at them as they tried to cross the rio grande river. this is the latest allegation of harsh treatment at the border, as texas refuses the justice department's demand to remove the floating barrier wall made of buoys and razor wire. speaking of the biden administraona big loss for them today in court. a federal judge blocking the presidentssym policy, the measure was put in place with the pition of title 42. it considers migrants ineligible for asylum if they pass through another country, and they didn't apply online. the administration argues, these rules led to a 42% decrease in crossings in june. it has vowed to fight that ruling. joining me now to discuss this, former acting homeland security

secretary under former president trump, chad wolf. also the america first institutes executive director. chad, thank you for joining us. the administration now is facing a legal setback that you would be pretty familiar with, because actually, this judge struck down a very similar policy under the trump administration. it strikes me, i'm sure you have plenty of critics of the biden administration for whatever they're doing, but in a system of checks and balances, they can't go beyond what the courts want them to do. so, what would you have them do if the courts keep saying, you can't do this? >> yeah, this is an unfortunate ruling, as you indicated. this judge also struck down a number of trump asylum regulations as well. it's important to remember, asylum is a discretionary form of relief. congress gave the executive branch, in this case, the biden administration, the ability to set requirements on asylum. unfortunately, what this judge has done in the past, and

continues today with this ruling, inserting his opinion over that of congress. in many cases, starting with the cartels and others who want to see the status quo remain as is. the biden administration, as you indicated, i have real concerns with the rule. they should have the ability to set the requirements of asylum, this judge is intervening time and time again, and not allowing the executive branch to do their job. so, they're gonna have to appeal it, they should appeal it very strongly. take it as high as they can, because i think this is a very dangerous precedent. >> at the end of the day, doesn't this suggest strongly that really at fault here is congress for not making it clear what the law is and how it should be apply to the border. >> well, congress is not gonna be able to set the full range of asylum. they can give some wrote brought aligns and strokes what they have done in law in statute. it also up to the executive branch, in this case, dhs, department of justice, and others, to set out a regulation on how we do that through

asylum. the problem here, with a court. the court is, again, inserting and legislating from that bench. it really shouldn't be doing that. it shouldn't be doing that during the trump administration. shouldn't do that during the biden administration. >> there is talk on capitol hill about impeaching the department of homeland security secretary, alejandro mayorkas. the administration is also saying now, the border crossings are down, the numbers do show that they are down. about two years now since february of 2021. the biden administration took office. they say that's a sign that their policies are working. are they not? >> i would disagree with that. i think if you look at just border patrol numbers, the numbers are down. unfortunately, what the administration is doing, they're pushing all of these individuals to ports of entry, using parole using the cbp one app and others. well border patrol numbers are, down the numbers at port of entry for illegal entry is up

over 1000 percent. so, the surge is not diminishing, it's just moving to different parts of the border. >> i do want to ask you about, that it's a process that they are putting into place. to know who these immigrants, or who are seeking asylum, or seeking some other form of relief. they're asking them to go through a process, they're following that process, what's wrong with that? the >> cbp one app doesn't ask you any asylum questions. it just allows you to be paroled into the country, much like the 30,000 that they do on a monthly basis from four different countries. again, in a lot of these parole systems, and policies that put in place, actually been struck down by lower courts. i think the biden administration, from a legality standpoint, i know that's what folks on the hill are concerned about as well, i think they've got a real issue with how they're using parole, categorically, across the board. that's gonna come back and bite them. >> to your point about the asylum system, there is discretion here. why can't the biden administration use discretion

to ease the issue of border crossings between ports of entry. so at the very least, the united states government has a sense of who is seeking some kind of relief. why can't they do? that >> they've tried to do this. this is the rule that unfortunately struck down. >> i know, but why do you have a problem of that, is what i'm asking. >> well, i have a problem with the rule itself. i think the rule is fundamentally flawed. too many exemptions. i don't think it's effective. i will argue, the biden administration should have the ability to set forth the requirements of asylum in this judge again, as we saw during the trump administration, is inserting his own opinion on what he believes asylum should be. therefore, taking it out of congress, and out of the executive branch. that should not occur. >> i want to ask you about we were talking about at the beginning of the second. what's happening in the state of texas, in particular. there's this floating barrier that the state has put in. it's lined with razor wire, it's floating in the rio grande, where a lot of migrants are crossing. it's causing serious injuries,

in some cases, people who own property in that area are complaining about it as well. do you think that governor abbott should or has even the legal right to have that kind of barrier in those waters? >> look, at governor abbott's have you take a number of measures. the maritime buoys are just one, the federal governors not doing its job. >> is it legal? you worked at dhs. you would know. >> the ability for him to take certain measures, whether it's in the desert or along that river, is absolutely legal. what the biden administration should do to say, it should be working with the governor to try to address the current situation. the fact that they are going to court to sue the governor, right out of the shoot on this, i think it's very problematic. what it saying is, we're not adjusting protesting in american communities. we're more concerned about aliens in a legal aliens coming then we are about americans in texans, governor abbott cares about. i think that's concerning. >> look, i think there's definitely a valid concern, you talk about the fentanyl issue.

there are valid concerns there. but there are humanitarian standards. this is the united states of america. there are some legitimate questions about whether those razor wire barriers or causing serious injuries. there is also allegations that you mentioned as well, about troopers allegedly throwing rocks at migrants. all the reports that were made official in writing, of troopers pushing people back into the water or not offering them water. those are real humanitarian concerns. are you concerned about those things? >> look, anything like that should be investigated. we should look into it. we've used razor wire along the constantino water along the border for years. >> sure. that is not in water where people, the issue is in water. where people, including some children, are crossing. that's the question. >> again, if you go back to the year of the biden administration, you're pushing people to ports of entry. that's where the focus should be. stop incentivizing folks and individuals to come across that

border illegally. what texas is trying to do here is saying, you're crossing in the rio grande in this case, illegally. you need to stop making the illegal entry into the united states, the biden administration agrees with this. which is why they're doing parole, which is why they're doing with the cbp one app, and everything else, to try to push these individuals to ports of entry. so, i think, again, the biden administration is to work with the governor, and not sue the governor, to stop this type of behavior. >> one last thing before you go. former president trump recently said that if he was elected, he would restart the zero tolerance policy, which led to a lot of family separations. you are in dhs when that policy was in place. do you think that he should do that? >> i mean let president trump speak for himself. what i can, say there's a number of effective measures that we put in place over those four years. i think that if we go back to those measures, and a lot of them were in place at the end of the trump administration, you wouldn't see the historic crisis that we have today. >> does that include zero tolerance? >> no, you do need to hold

people accountable. you need to hold people accountable across the board for crossing illegally. there's a number of different ways that we found after that program was in place, which is back in 2018, so we put effective policies in place in 2019. in 2020 that brought the lowest number of apprehensions along that border. i would go back to those policies. >> yeah, what i heard you say is, no, he should not do that. but do other things. >> again, i may let president trump speak to himself. >> all right, chad wolf, thank you very much for joining us with all that. >> thank you. >> coming up next for us, the latest on the lebron james, his son who just suffered cardiac arrest on the basketball court. bob costas is here to discuss all of that. plus, our harvard legacies admissions policy a form of discrimination? laura coats is with me ahead.

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tonight to the sudden collapse of lebron james sun, bronny. the star freshman who just turned eight yard teen years, old suffering cardiac arrest during a workout at usc. his family says he has stable, tonight no longer in the icu. joining me now to discuss this, cnn contributor and broadcasting legend, bob costas. bob, this is incredibly frightening, and also incredibly rare. what do you think this compares, to in terms of other athletes, young ones, of this age who have collapsed well at practice or in games? >> yeah, every situation is different. we think back to hank gathers, who begin his collegiate career at usc, ironically, but then wound up with loyola marymount, destined for nba star. tim he collapsed in a game about 2 months before a 2nd collapse led to his death on the court. then you had reggie lewis, of the celtics, in the midst of a

fine nba career, who collapsed and died during an off-season practice. he was only 27, hank gathers was 23. as it turns, out both had pre-existing conditions that contributed to it. we don't know yet what the case is with bronny. even though it's fresh on people's mind, demar hamlin's situation in football game, between the bills and the bengals several months ago, it was an entirely different thing. that's come ot accordance, which is caused by a collision, some type of contact with the chest at the exact wrong millisecond that it disrupts the hurts electrical cycle. these are entirely different situations. earlier tonight, i heard dr. reiner, his expertise expects seeds, mind thousands of times over, tell anderson cooper, it's probably not a good idea for somebody, if they have a pre-existing condition like this, that would predispose them to these sorts of episodes, to play basketball at the nba level, with all of its physical

demands. now, that's speculation. it's speculation that comes from a very credible force. >> we don't know exactly what the cause is, whether it's pre-existing or perhaps something that might have been caused by what he was doing in the practice. to that point, there was another ufc player who just last year suffered cardiac arrest during a practice. he went on to play the following season, 14 games. i wonder when you hear lebron james, say he wants to stay in the nba, to play with his son, do you think, reasonably, that they might have to re-evaluate whether or not the professional level of basketball play is something that is in brawny's future? >> well, they might. i'm in no position to offer that advice. one where the other. neither is anyone else until the dust settles here, and we get a better handle on what exactly his circumstances are. when lebron james came out of high school, not college, right at the nba, he was a surefire star player.

bronny james, only a couple of years ago, was not anything near that. now, out of the top 100 college prospects, in terms of their nba prospects, he's ranked around 20th right now. prior to what happened today. so, he has a very good chance, or had a very good chance prior to this episode, we'll see would have been subsequently, to play in the nba. this was his freshman year at usc. it's not uncommon for players, if they think they have nba potential, to come out after their freshman year. lebron is in the final year of his contract with the lakers. there is an option at his discretion, for another year with the lakers. if he wanted to, and bronny was able to play, lebron could be free to hook up with him, and we've seen in the nba, these kind of maneuvers where players make their own, almost like choosing up sides in the school yard. if bronny and lebron want to play together, they can probably happen somewhere, if not los angeles, somewhere else in the nba, provided bronny is able to play. that's just guesswork right now. >> i mean, it would happen to

happen i guess relatively soon. look, bob, i want to ask you about one other thing. shortly after this announcement about brawny, elon musk also weighed in on this collapse, he was pushing some anti vaccine conspiracies. he says we can't ascribe everything to the vaccine, but by the same token, we can't describe nothing. he says myocarditis is a known side effect. the only question is, whether it's rare or common. what do you make of that? >> well, again, i don't have enough expertise to say that's flatly wrong, or that there's something to it. however, we do know that generally speaking, there are people who are inclined toward believing that the vaccine is some sort of devils potion, and describing everybody who has a health episode, subsequent a vaccination, describing all of that to vaccines. just in the sports world, the great hank aaron died about 2 weeks shy of his 87th birthday. he had other medical conditions. he had been vaccinated. i remember all the talk from certain precincts, well, if he

had been vaccinated, he'd still be with us. you know, we live in a world now where anything you don't want to be true doesn't have to be true. with a mountain of evidence and acquire of angels, a testing to it. anything you do want to be true, well, you don't need all that much evidence. or, you can say i did my own research, which often means, not always, but often means you discounted everything that didn't match what you wanted to believe in the first place, until you found something that supported it. aha, there it is. that's the world we live, in that certainly has an effect on those inclined toward conspiracy theories. >> yeah, the reality is, we don't know. neither does elon musk. hopefully people just give the doctors a chance to figure this out. also, brawny a chance to get better soon. bob costas, thank you very much as always. >> thank, you abby. >> the children of the rich and the powerful and the alumni of harvard, do they really deserve an advantage when they're applying to college? laura coates joins me next on

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that guy made this place a special place to come to school and gave as much as he could to help the community. our legacy admissions of form of discrimination? that's the question that is under federal investigation tonight, harvard's preferential treatmt to children of the wealthy and of donors and alum, are at the center of a new civil rights lawsuit that argues, students of color are at a disadvantage. this comes just weeks after the supreme court struck down affirmative action in college admissions. i want to bring in cnn's chief legal analyst, laura coates. laura, this lawsuit alleges, the students who received this kind of preferential treatment are, overwhelmingly white. they make up as much as 15% of

harvard's admitted students. that's almost the same percentage of african american students at harvard admits. are you surprised that even taken this long for us to get to this point? >> i am not, in the fact that legacy admissions have been under the microscope for quite some time. for a variety of reasons, mostly the reasons you state. there is a disproportionate amount of students who will benefit from legacy admissions, who do not fall in the traditional racial minority groups. many believe this to be a kind of a proxy for discrimination. there's an advantage given to those who have had parents who've attended the university or otherwise, or grandparents and beyond. they can trace back, maybe one generation to know how fraught our society has been with discrimination. so, this came up, of course, a consideration of the latest supreme court ruling, about why it was that race based, or race conscious admissions under the gun, but not legacy, which had perhaps an even more or greater impact of what was happening in

admissions. >> yeah, look, i think the counter argument that some folks would make is that the courts have a different level of scrutiny that gets applied to issues of race. you can make that argument. there's actually a study just yesterday, they found that children in the top 1%, their household income, top 1%, they're twice as likely to get into these elite schools as children, especially in the middle of the income distribution. do you think that the courts should be, as sensitive to that socioeconomic issue as they have been to this idea that affirmative action, in the case of some of the conservative justices, needs to be rolled back? >> clearly, there is a correlation in america between race and socioeconomic status. also, about the admissions process and beyond. i think to your earlier point, and then to the letter, in the first instance, it is part of what the supreme court has looked at, in terms of figuring out whether you can have the so-called, back door way of

violating what our suspect classifications. meaning, race, gender, religion and beyond. that are really about whether the court will look at a very narrow test to figure out, under strict scrutiny, what you're trying to accomplish, the governments purpose in trying to use any of the suspect classifications, is it narrowly tied to a compelling state interest? they look at that, in the instances like this, because legacy admissions, when they can be a corollary to conversations around race, to economic status and beyond, the court would actually be in its jurisdiction to look at these things, if it relates to that. of course, this is the next horizon, as you know, abby, in terms of what the court will look to. the court was quite decisive, this final time around. whether it's still a work in progress, anyone's guess. given the fact that race based admissions had been really the ring to actually achieve on this particular legal carousel. we talk about legacy admissions, it has been treated very

differently. because it does not have a direct notion about race, and perhaps, more tangential one, but nonetheless, they are cousins. >> yeah, as you pointed out, it could be basically operating as a back door. some people have said, legacy admissions basically function as affirmative action for wealthy white people, who are in many cases, donors of these elite schools. laura coates, thank you so much, as always, for joining us tonight. >> nice to see you, even if you are a harvard girl. >> that's true. full disclosure. >> go princeton! >> thank you, laura. >> by. >> just in, some drama just hours before hunter biden's plea hearing tomorrow. as judge now accuses his lawyers of lying. we'll have that next. rhouse lotion that moisturizes, heals, and smooths dry skin. with 7 moisturizers and 3 vitamins, you can pay more but you u can't get more. gold bond. champion your skin.

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