republican lawmaker removed from the public document. the lawmakers called it an unfortunate miscommunications. the lawyers section saying their defense comes in response to that district judge who threatened them with sanctions and accused one of their staff up lying to court officials. misrepresenting who she worked for. this, of course, comes just hours after hatching hunter biden is expected to appear in court and to plead guilty to two tax misdemeanors and a judge felony charge. thank you for joining me. sara sidner is up now. sarah, harry doing tonight? >> hey, i'm good. happy to see you. you know, trying to have a good show. have a great show. >> all right. >> good evening, everyone, i'm sara cider. welcome to cnn tonight. new tonight, the top election security official was fired by president trump after the 2020

elections, talking to special counsel jack smith. chris krebs is another big name who may have deep insight into what was going on behind the scenes. his team has been axing about his firing and his firing around the time. another team and -- trump saying what will be after an indictment. the grand jury didn't meet today. why? more of that, coming up. also, disturbing news from the world of basketball. lebron james's son, ronny james, suffered a cardiac arrest during basketball practice at usc and was hospitalized yesterday. he is only 18 years old. so, what happened? how common is this in young, seemingly healthy athletes? we discuss all of that as well as the controversy and covid vaccine conspiracies that always seem to arise in these cases. our sanjay gupta why isn't ahead on. that plus, a threat to impeach president biden is growing as republican house speaker kevin mccarthy ramps up the

accusations without offering any verified facts at this moment. how impeachments don't always hurt the politicians they are in debt. >> mark this continues to unravel, it rises to the level to require and what that provides is that the american public has a right to know. this allows congress to get the information to be able to know the truth. >> let us begin with chris krebs, top election security official who was fired by then president trump, confirming tonight that he has spoken to special counsel, cnn legal analyst williams is would, be chomping at the bit. he has things to say. along with cnn senior political commentator scott jennings and jay michaelson. a rolling stone that is also a rabbi. we are going to have a good discussion here tonight, gentlemen. we are all very much awake and very caffeinated, at least i am. i'm going to start with, you elliott. we hear that chris krebs has talked to special counsel

prosecutors. how might he help their case? >> okay. so, in order to prove anything in court, prosecutors have to establish intent. what was in the defendants head at the time that he did the thing he is accused of doing? someone like chris krebs can speak to donald trump's intent with respect to did he know he lost the election and continue to engage in acts of fraud? which is what the accusation, conspiracy to defraud the united states and the charge is likely to be. it's very valuable information. also because krebs would have been briefing the former president as far back as february 2020, months before he was fired, providing the same information and the integrity of the american election system. so, there's a lot that he can provide, a lot to say. look, anyone who has seemed to talk to donald trump over the course of the last several years seems to have spoken to the grand jury, he just another one. >> yeah. there are 22 names of people actually that they now.

there are a lot more people that have been spoken to. all right, jay, i'm going to spoke to you about this. but after the election, comes debunked trump's false claims in a russian adopted saying that the 2020 election was, quote, the most secure in the nation's history. so, can't trump just deny that he heard that? >> i don't think it is really about what trump canton deny. i think it is the impossible question of what is going on inside donald trump's head. as elliott just said, it is part of a prosecution, right? and yet it is also been a mystery for decades, right? does donald trump believe when he's really line, when he is impersonating a publicist under oppress called the 19 80s, does he believe that he is lying? does he believe? this as a former academic, i'm fascinated by the palestinian logical question of what is in trump's head. this is relevant to this judicial proceeding. that, i think, as he just said, the key to the merging puzzle

that we are seeing piece by piece as this it is put together. >> epistemological. that is something at 11:04 that we can delve into. >> make us sad for that, actually. >> what do you think? >> every time we learn something new, i'm reminded that there are things happening and it behind the scenes of this investigation. we haven't heard this guy's name in a few months. we learned that he had reached out to governor georgia. there are a lot of angles, a lot of corners, a lot of people you hadn't thought of in a while that are floating around in the background. it reminds me, politically, that if you are running a presidential campaign right now, you don't know what is going to be in these indictments, eternal with the athleticism looking, like you don't know who said what, who flipped on who. you just don't know. so, there is some value and restraint. when we have the documents indictments, a couple of campaigns gone over their skis a little bit. evidence came out, well -- maybe the state hurt national security. -- it didn't look good.

>> sometimes, discretion is the better part of the campaign. >> particularly because everything that happens in a grander is secret by law. it can't be released. >> right. we do know that there is this target letter in the target letter there were three different things that the prosecutors that they were looking at. let's talk about tomorrow's news tonight. hunter biden is set to pioli guilty to federal tax misdemeanors tomorrow. republicans are calling a plea deal a sweetheart deal. isn't? >> look, they will have -- republicans will have every opportunity to question congress. the -- agreeable front for testimony. he's not gonna tell them anything. he's going to say because of the facts and the law. for a tax filing and byram violating offense, these were in line with the sentences that would be normal for those crimes. look, 97% of criminal cases band of pleading out. the idea that any criminal defendant is pleading guilty is not that big a deal. now, the question, is where there are other things that he

was being investigated for that they overlooked? again, that is gonna be subject to congressional hearing? they are gonna get to the bottom of it. >>, scott i want to ask you. this there is a lot of pressure looking at the political moment that we are and. donald trump maybe be indicted further, time maybe. we don't know. that is being investigated. speaker mccarthy is now on our real hunt to try to impeach president biden for unsubstantiated so far claims that he is so far involved in hunter biden's business dealings, which are being scrutinized. is this simple politics at play here? >> i think there's a few things going. on i think he's inching closer to that language because he believes, a lot of republicans in congress believe that the whistleblower's that have come forward, that have testified before congress, have brought up extremely important information. under immediate blackout, the papers aren't covering. it we talked about it on cnn. but they believe that this is

information that warrants more investigation. that it needs to be unraveled even further and impeachment inquiry would give them additional tools. at the same time, the political pieces this, we do know trump was pressuring mccarthy based on some of the reporting jimmy be expunged his impeachments and i don't know if that's a great idea. one way you could say is to talk about impeaching joe biden and change the top it as it relates to impeachments of presidents at all. do i think that they will ever get there? we are a long way from that. i will say this, republican i know thinks is more to. this as it relates to joe biden, then we know publicly right now. >> it's the idea of what did he know, when did he know it. we've heard that before. what sort of things -- >> it's the idea, did joe biden ultimately help hunter biden enrich himself and his family using his official position as vice president? ultimately, do all politicians

use their office in an improper way? >> that is a question. so, but we haven't seen a lot of evidence that ties joe biden to the dealings of hunter biden. there are a couple things out there to discuss. jay, i want to ask you a question about whether or not, when you see this in impeachments, a lot of americans look at impeachments from a very politicized lens. could this hurt joe biden or could it hurt those going after joe biden? >> it certainly, to do you look at the record of impeachments, it's not a big record. it's a mixed record, right? after the clinton impeachment, it is certainly not clear that it's either the impeachment revealing something that is shocking as maybe was the case in the second trump impeachment or that they reveal a party that may got over it skis a little bit, arguably, and some would say over the trump impeachment. to me, i wonder what the long game is. on the part of those pushing for impeachment. even the inquiry, which is to

desegregate those. the pitchman, is there evidence to do an impeachment? there, i hesitate to agree with speaker mccarthy. there is something to that. that is something that could be considered. if this actually turns into, if it ripens into any patient without sufficient evidence, that is damaging are already very fragile democracy. they should not be seen as just politics and another form. this is, essentially, a quasi-criminal investigation and a quasi-prosecution. that should be taken much more seriously than just politics. >> it's important to note that the standard constitution, constitution didn't say a lot about what impeachment is or should be. it isn't about the rules and how you do. it's bribery, trudge than, high crimes. that's a pretty high standard hearing the language of that and the idea that if it is going to be just for policy differences or political questions, it is probably not the what the framers had in mind. we shall see. >> we will have to wait and see, i'm sure we will be watching. it is marching towards this.

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>> a really scary incident from the side and the superstar lebron james. 18 year old bronny james and incoming freshman at the university of southern california basketball team suffered a cardiac arrest during practice yesterday. he was rushed to the hospital and tonight he is in stable condition and out of intensive care. a spokesperson for the james family released the statement saying in part, lebron and savannah wish to publicly send

their deepest thanks and appreciation to the usc medical and athletic staff for their incredible work and dedication to the safety of their athletes. i want to now bring in cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. dr. gupta, he is an 18-year-old and in cardiac arrest. how common is this among younger people? he's an athlete for goodness sake. >> right. it may surprise people. it is rare. but we are talking about thousands of times that this happens even among people around that age. there is a study back in 2015 at that point they projected some 6 to 7000 cases of sudden cardiac arrest annually. now, one thing i should point out is that this is often related to sports. more likely in men and more likely related to basketball players. about 39% of the time, those under the age of 18, sports was involved and the numbers start to go down as people get older

in terms of the relationship to sports. it still happens. i will say that once you get to 35 and older. the likelihood of having cardiac arrest is more likely associated with blockages in the blood vessels that supply blood to the heart. i will show you really quick here, sara. you have blood vessels on top of the heart. they can become blocked. you can develop clots in those. as you get older, that tends to be the more common problem. it can lead to muscle and in the heart tissue dying. that can lead to problems with the heart. in younger people, it can be a structural abnormality with a heart, heart muscle problem, an electrical problem with the heart. or inflammation that is underlying. one of those things and we don't know yet. i'm sure that's what they're investigating right now. i should just quickly point, out he was released from the icu, and intensive care unit, very quickly. that is a really good sign. diamond that he was stable enough, they felt like they had things under control enough to get him out of the icu. now, the testing to figure out

what happened. that is what is ongoing. >> you're so good at being a doctor and being a correspondent. i knew you would have some sort of gadget to explain all of this. you brought out a whole heart. i do want to ask you about the difference and there is between cardiac arrest and a heart attack. a lot of people put those two together thinking they are the same thing. >> right. a cardiac arrest is what it sounds like and the heart stops beating. the sudden stopping of the hard. someone loses consciousness and they have no pulse. that's what happens. with a heart attack, as i'm just showing you, you get a blockage of one of those blood vessels. it leads to some of the muscle tissue in the heart not getting enough oxygenated blood. that can lead to electrical abnormality that can cause cardiac arrest. cardiac arrest, it can be caused by all sorts of different things. heart attack is typically

caused by a blockage or some sort of blood clot in the blood vessels that lead to the heart. >> all right. i want to talk about this because it comes up every single hard time something happens to young person, in particular a young athlete when it comes to the heart. already, some very influential names have come out on social media and blamed the covid vaccine. saying it could be responsible for bronny its medical condition. none of them are doctors who have actually looked at him. what do you say to this? is that a possibility? >> pretty low down on the list. there are other things that are more common. again, going back to 2015, there is a study showing that this could happen 6 to 7000 times a year. that was obviously way before covid vaccines. there is a relationship tween especially young men and getting something known as myocarditis, inflammation of the heart. especially after the second

dose of the covid vaccine. just to give you some context, hundreds of cases of myocarditis out of tens of millions of doses given. that's the degree of rare that we are talking about here. also, almost all of those cases, it was pretty mild. myocarditis, didn't lead to significant problems. also, typically, when people to develop myocarditis, it happened within a short time after receiving the vaccine as well. not something that happened far out from the vaccine. so, cardiomyopathy, like i was talking about, farmer likely that myocarditis in a case like this to cause these sorts of problems. >> doctor sanjay gupta, thank you so much for breaking that down for us. it is a really scary moment, it is hard for all of us mortals to see bronny james, the son of king james actually going through this, and he such a great athlete and it's so healthy, we all thought.

we are wishing him the best. thank you so much for explaining to us, sanjay. >> thank you. >> let us now bring in the host of headliners with racial on showtime. rachel, thank you so much for being here this evening. bronny has been one of the most hyped up, for good reason, young basketball player in the entire country. the spotlight has only increased when he committed to play for usc. just on the road where his dad played for the lakers. you have been covering lebron for a very long time. before bronny was even born, i understand. it we will talk about age here, rachel. can you give us some sense of how you have seen bronny handle growing up in such a scrutiny? especially when he's on the court. >> yeah. the reason that is relevant is that he has been in the spotlight that long. i'm a reporter. i met him when he was a baby. he has been in front of the media. he was at his father's games. we have seen him grow up.

his name is lebron james junior. he goes by bronny. he has his dad's full name on his back and his pursuit of a. get it is so interesting, sarah. lebron has said that he really regrets giving lebron james junior his name that bronny would have had an easier time to get a different name. i do remember back one bronny was born and lebron talked a lot about how important was to have that connection with his son. he did not have his own father in his life. that has really been a constant companionship, not just as bronny has grown up, but as lebron has grown up into the athlete that we know today. look, bronny has been incredibly classy with all the attention on him. how little himself well over and over in the spotlight. he was entering usc with so much and so many eyes on him, so highly touted. 11 endorsement deals and until yesterday, it seemed like everything was going his way.

>> yeah. we have seen athletes recently recover from this, damar hamlin for example who recovered. he was on the field and everyone was shocked and in real dismay. now, he is back playing. you know, is bronny going through this right now. he's out of the ic awe understand. bronny's family has released a statement saying in part that while practicing, bronny james suffered a cardiac arrest. medical staff was able to treat him and taken to the hospital. he is now in stable condition. and he's no longer in the icu. we heard some jacob to telling us how quickly that happened. it's actually a very, good thing for his prognosis. this has to be just terrifying for lebron james and his wife. and the whole family really. >> yeah and any parent, you can put yourself in that position to put yourself into position to hear that your son's heart has stopped. he was very lucky with doing it with practice in such an experience training step and

speaks to a little bit about the fact that this is more common than you would expect. he's an incoming freshman usc was practicing with the team this summer. last summer, and incoming freshmen at the time, the kid was a rising sophomore, had the same cardiac arrest issue with a practice in july when you are go today. the training step in that incident rush into action, saved his life and did the exact same thing almost exactly a year later. with bronny. it speaks to the fact that this isn't something that happens a lot, it does happen. cardiac arrest is leading cause of death in student athletes. you look at ncaa basketball players, we'll basketball players only make up 4% of the ncaa student athlete population, but they make up 20% of these cardiac arrest issues. it's definitely something that college training staff is prepared for and as lebron as savannah has said in their statement, everyone involved is so fortunate that the training staff there was able to leap

into action and take care of bronny the way they did. >> yeah, i'm sure it is. i hope it is really being studied. it is really disturbing to see someone that young go through something like this. i do want to ask you about lebron james. he really at one point wanted to people's play alongside his sign. he's made that pretty clear and some people speculate that maybe he's staying in the game hoping for that moment. do you think that is all that is at this moment? >> yeah, look, we don't know what the future holds for bronny. lebron talked me maybe five years ago when the kid wasn't even playing high school basketball about this idea of playing with his son. this has been a hope and dream of his, there is no question that he is extending his nba career. he has lined up his contracts in a way that, yes, he is still under contract with the lakers when bronny joins mba. it's his option. if you want to go somewhere else, he can do that to. this is the plan. we just asked to see if his health permits this.

sanjay was talking earlier about the different ways cardiac arrest happened with damar hamlin in the invention. that was blunt force trauma, right? we all saw. that was so jarring. we saw him take a shot right to the chest. it stopped his heart. when it's a case of what we expect in what we heard so far with bronny james, maybe he took an elbow to the chest. we don't. no more commonly what happens is that there is something about the athletes heart that in that moment of stress, stopping and starting, everything that goes on, it causes this condition. essentially mentioned, the expectation is that he will go their testing over this next week, see if they can identify the problem that led to this and if it is soluble or fixable, we expect him to get right back on the court the way damar hemline has been able to just this week with the bulls and chair training camp and hopefully entertain that bright future that is ahead of him. if not, obviously, it would be crushing disappointment to me we can't play basketball again. i will say this about bronny james, i saw him just a few months ago after he committed to usc and we were talking

about his college experience, this is such a well-rounded kid. this isn't someone where basketball is the only thing in his life. so, i think the main thing that he is okay, which it seems like he is. the second thing is the hope that he can continue his dream and play along side his dad in the nba and all of that. i will tell, you just from knowing him, he will be okay either way. hopefully he can do what he loves them. >> rachel, that was really, really good reporting. thank you for sharing and your personal experience. our prayers go towards his fast recovery. we hope he's not under too much pressure because the world is watching as he goes through this weathers family. appreciate it. >> thank you, sarah. >> all right, florida department of education to officials defending new state guidelines that would describe slavery as having a personal benefit to enslaved people. how did they explain that? well, we are going to hear from one of those officials, next.

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this has been -- this has been and her flip to being slaves benefited from slavery. that is not the standard at all. what this is saying, what this is saying is -- this is not the story simply of victims who weathered in the face of oppression, who rather this -- of a resilient people that responded to their oppressors in an adaptive manner, utilizing every resource at their disposal to resist the inhumane nature of the bondage they were in. >> the speaker in that video is flooded apartment of education official john bel. i wanted to hear more from him. so, we reach out to mr. daybell. he referred us to the 40 department of education. we contacted that for three

separate times and they have not responded to our inquiry all, right here to discuss the new florida education standards and this new explanation, camille joseph, equity diversity and inclusion at the university of texas at austin is joining us now. he's also the author of the third reconstruction. professor joseph, what did you make of the state officials explanation up these new standards of how they are going to teach history, and particularly african american history. so >> hi, sarah, thank you for having me. you, know i think it sounds unconvincing. what we are facing in florida, even my adopted home state of texas is real resistance to discuss saying the hard history that we all face, history of racial slavery. the history of subjugation, within that history there is a

history of resilience, the history of black people as the leading articulate or's uptick needy, democracy, citizenship for all people in ways that sense rachel's history reconstruction has impacted women, have impacted working class whites, and patch of the lgbtqia community and people of color within the united states and globally. that is not what these new guidelines do. the idea that somehow racial slavery benefits black people really ignores the brutality in the horror of that story and it ignores the ways in which they were white people who were abolitionists, standing in ack people and believed in black dignity and citizenship. the idea that teaching the complex history of the united states is somehow going to be offensive to students, especially white students, really gets our story exactly wrong.

the beauty of black history really is that resilience, but the person spoke up but to get to that resilience, we really have to talk about the horrors of racial slavery and the way in which raise chills lay very builds up the wealth of the united states and built up a vision of global capitalism that was really based on the exploitation of black bodies. not only just their labor, sarah, but people put out like insurances on black folks. people invested money, globally in the global economy, based on health band slave black people as collateral. even the way in which they are calling black people live during that people, africans who lived during that period, slaves, religious honors them, right? these are enslaved human beings who, some of them could read and write. what many were bought and sold, like chattel in terms of

chattel slavery, they were considered the species of property in that context. the only way we can come to terms with both racial slavery and this afterlife is by teaching the truth to all of our students, irrespective of race. >> professor, they talked about that for an official, he talked about that this is about teaching about resilience, it's not just learning the skills. it should just do that, correct? you talk about resilience. okay, that should be the guidelines. that's not what the guidelines says. it has everyone's upset. i want to ask you about what you think of this. the demand for the new a course in african american across the united states where people are looking for more information, not lesd that number is going up. the pilot cour will be offered in thepcing school year and 800 schools twice than what this call --

college board says it had planned for. why do you think this is happening? now. >> sarah, everyone -- afferent america has always been more than just one thing. we've been to think simultaneously. we've had a chance been slavery and pro abolitionists. we've been pro segregation and pro racial integration before voting rights for black people in all people in against voting rights. i think right now in the midst of what i would call this third period of reconstruction, we have people who are foreign support of the 1619 project and ap african american history and really getting to the deep roots of our story. this is the origin story of us. we have people who are really violently opposed. it is always been a story of this narrative war between reconstructionist or supporters of multi racial democracy versus redemption as who are really followers of a lost cause band that old antebellum

history that we are still trying to come to terms with today. so many people want to view slavery as some kind of benign institution. that's how we got gone with the wind. now we know, gone with the wind, which premiered in 1939, what martin look to continue west dressed as an enslaved young person at the premier in atlanta and 1939. when i was for my friend jonathan ike's book on king. we have a distorted history of what slavery was. we still have to think about slavery as tulips and tv and nice play by folks as somehow this was rough education for black people. that's what senator john calhoun from south carolina called it. it was not that. it was a super exploitation of black women, children, man, boys, girls, babies to enrich the entire united states. from sea to shining sea. from near to wall street.

>> they were children stripped away from mothers and families and, you, know if you really delve deep into it, it is extremely disturbing and the vestiges of that are still around of society. i want to quickly ask you. we heard from desantis, was running for president. he is a governor of florida and he says that these are thorough standards done by african american history scholars. there's no agenda here. deeply, that yes or no? >> no, absolutely not. i mean, i think this is all part of the anti so-called woke agenda that is really an agenda that tries to distort and figure black history. what governor desantis doesn't understand is that black history is really american history. so, certainly within the horrors of slavery black peoplel odds. they love their family members. they unabated in terms of food and cooking and music. they were vice cultivators.

they are the people who distill the whiskey and gave jack daniel's all the knowledge to do what he did. we were creators there is black talent and black genius that came from africa, right? the idea that somehow we have to soft pedal this because telling our kids the truth is going to offend one part of the population, it really ignores the fact that black history is american history. the souls of black folk art really haven't light in this country and really and noble this all. this idea of black dignity and citizenship, despite racial slavery, is the key through line. remember, we had white people during antebellum slavery, white men and women, not just the quakers who were abolitionists. there are abolitionists. alongside black people. >> we see that in the history books. or at least we have seen that in history books. hopefully it will be taught accurately. professor, thank you so much

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officials say putin was paralyzed and unable to act decisively despite being warned at least two or three days before by russian security of prigozhin's attempt at mutiny. e york european security official telling the post, que, putin had time to take the decision to liquidate the rebellion and arrest the organizers. when it began, there was paralysis on all levels. there was absolute dismay and confusion for a long time they did not know how to react. for more on this remarkable reporting, i want to bring in bill browder, says ceo of -- and the global majesty justice campaign. can you tell me how you read this? this put losing some of his grip on power? >> well, this report talks about how putin was paralyzed before during the first of the rebellion. if you look at his conduct since this whole thing has

happened, it looks like he is paralyzed. yevgeny prigozhin, head of the mercenary group, organized an armed rebellion. normally, when someone does something like that in a dictatorship like russia, the dictator will take the rabble and chapas head off, literally. and go after everybody involved. that hasn't happened in this case. putin, instead of taking him to rescuer and chopping's head of, he brought him into the kremlin for meetings with him and his guys. they gave him the money back that they seized from his office, 100 and $11 million. now, he is sitting in belarus, enjoying the good life. everything about putin's conduct here shows confusion, fear, a lack of clarity, which started from that day and carries on. it is a very strange situation. >> i think it is important to note, people have stood up against putin that only spoken out against, him never mind try to re-vote against him.

poisoned, jails, killed, falling out of windows and the like. by the regime. here, you have someone, as you mentioned, who literally try to have a mutiny against, him that ended up being stopped and is still walking around as a free man. it has to be incredibly embarrassing for putin. there's also incredible news on the front of trevor reed, which everyone should remember, former u.s. marine released by russia in a prisoner swap last year. we are now learning that read was injured while fighting in ukraine against russia. what do you think about this development? why do you think he chose to go to ukraine after his experience? >> this is a pretty tricky situation. on one hand, it's very honorable for trevor reed to go and fight the russians on behalf of the ukrainians. he has seen firsthand how evil putin's russia's. they took him hostage and in a

totally adjust arrest. that is good. it's honorable. on the other side, the cost of getting him out -- he was swapped with a worldwide arms and drug dealer name konstantin yaroshenko. your shankle is arrested, serving time in the united states. he was a high value prisoner. he had trevor swat for yaroshenko. the thing that bothers me about had trevor reed never been taken hostage, we would've had to do a double dip to get him out. another high value hostage. in a certain way, he has cost us a lot. it's very good that he is fighting up we have the ukrainians, we have to support the ukrainians in any way possible. i'd rather have somebody else who is not somebody so valuable to us, have a cease available. >> yeah. those trade-offs happen and that's what russia demands. bill broader, thank you so much for looking through that. it is a remarkable moment in russian history and a

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