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tonight on 360, the surprising journey of former u. s. marine trevor reed, from a russian prison to a ukrainian battlefield, and injured in the war against his former captors. later, congressman jim clyburn joins us to discuss new florida teaching that suggest there was, a quote, personal benefit, unquote, to slavery. also tonight, doctor sanjay gupta on the new research showing the potential side effects of wildly popular new

weight loss drugs like ozempic. good evening, it has been more than a year since we last mentioned the name trevor reed on this broadcast. reed was the former u.s. marine detained by russia, for more than two and a half years, until a prisoner swap was arranged by u.s. authorities in april of last year. his parents had worked hard to keep his plight in the public's mind, and obviously we're thrilled that he was finally released. well, today we learned that trevor reed at some point decided to go to ukraine, and fight against russian troops. we don't know what his motivation, was he inspired by ukrainians resistance to invading army? or, did he see this as a way to strike a blow against the russian leadership, which held him unjustly in prison. details are scant, at this moment. we do know he was injured during the fighting, and has been flown to the u.s. military hospital in germany. the extent of his injuries is not known. at the time of his release, reed was said to be in poor health. his father had said he had suffered a broken rib during his captivity, also that he was coughing up blood. and possibly, the result of a tuberculosis infection. reid also engaged into hunger strikes to protest his treatment. chief national security correspondent jim sciutto joins us now. do we have any more details on how, or why, reed ended up in ukraine roughly 15 months after

being released from russia? >> my understanding of this is that this was his personal choice, driven in part by him wanting to do his part to help defend ukraine against the russian invasion. he is not alone in that, there are a number of former american service members who have done that. and former service members from other western armies, who have gone to join ukrainians in the fight. but i will tell you this, anderson. the biden administration is deeply concerned, for two reasons here. one, it does not want to give any impression that the u.s. is sending, or encouraging americans, particularly former military members of the u.s. military to go fight there. but to, also they are concerned about ongoing negotiations for americans still held, wrongfully by russia, including evan gershkovich. but also of course, paul wheeler. >> and, he is being treated at a military hospital in germany.

he was in ukraine in an officieal u.s. capacity. why would that be the case? >> we'll, it appears that the u.s. wants to do its part to help an american. and regardless of his decision, he was wounded in combat there. and, they want to provide him the medical treatment. the best medical treatment possible. as i understand it, it's not life threatening wound. however, wieland wanted to get the best treatment, due to the location of the wound, and better to get it from u.s. doctors. of course, highly skilled at this, then the treatment that was available in ukraine. and, that was a request. the u.s. accepted it. >> you said wheelan, you met reed? . >> yeah, sorry. >> uncle paul whelan, and he is one of those americans still being detained. he also mentioned evan gershkovich from the wall street journal. could this have an impact on, negotiation is to get them out? >> we don't know, because of course the russians are men curio and, these negotiations are very difficult. russia has always been guilty of changing its demands, raising its demands in the

midst of a negotiation. but i will tell you, this anderson, there is deep concern within the administration about the potential effect of this. because those negotiations are so difficult. as i said earlier, it's partially about not wanting to escalate the war in ukraine. they don't rush to believe that the u.s. is deliberately sending former service members there. but also, the idea of someone being released at great effort from russian captivity, through negotiations and prisoner swaps, and going back to fight. they are concerned that russia would use this as propaganda points. and i think you heard some of this in the statement from the administration today. have a listen. >> as it relates to other americans that have continued to be wrongfully detained in russia, as i, and the secretary, as matt, as ambassador -- have said. we will continue to engage directly, with the russian federation, calling for their release. you have seen us do so, in the

case of paul whelan, evan gershkovich. we continue to remain -- on these issues. >> now, that of course, the diplomatic language of a public statement. i will tell you, anderson, that in private, the administration officials are genuinely concerned. >> i appreciate the update. there is also new reporting tonight on what actually happened, when yevgeny prigozhin launched that military assault inside russia, and started sending his troops toward moscow. still not clear exactly why he stopped that assault, and what deal may have been made. but tonight, we do have a clearer picture of what may have been going on in the kremlin, in the early hours of the incursion by wagner forces. it comes to the washington post. their headline, putin appeared paralyzed and unable to act in first hours of rebellion. -- shares the byline of that story, and joins us. >> shane, can you just walk us through your reporting of what happened, in the kremlin during the first hours of the prigozhin rebellion? because it paints a very different picture of vladimir putin and people are used to seeing or believing. >> yeah, that's right anderson.

i mean, really to put it succinctly, what happened was not what officials were expecting to see, which is namely that vladimir putin was not apparently giving orders, that were then traveling down the chain of the military command. to local commanders and security officials. who would have been trying to stop prigozhin on this lightning strike that he was making up north to moscow. and, sources described to us, there is paralysis and in decision coming from moscow, and from the leadership. and, the cia director bill burns said last week that russian leaders appeared to be adrift, as this incredible scene was playing out. so, really kind of a picture, not of a russian leader in command, but one that was indecisive, and potentially afraid to try to counter prigozhin, this warlord, who he is dependent on so much in the war in ukraine. >> which is such a blow to the mystique of vladimir putin, a musky himself has worked hard to try to greet. >> yeah, absolutely, and i think that is one reason why

this was such a telling series of events. i mean, we had all watched as prigozhin, really directly challenged and try to undermine, i think, putin's rule and authority. and he said, his beef was with the military leadership, and the defense establishment. really, that's also a shot at the russian president himself. and now, to see that essentially, there was silence and indecision, people down the chain waiting for putin to tell us, what do you want us to do? after he had gone on national television, and talked about trying to squelch this rebellion, is very much at odds with that portait that he portrays of someone who is in total command, and some of the demands authority, and demands loyalty. this seems to be somebody who was on his back foot, and really not clear on what exactly he wanted. and they're not even sure that you had a plan for how he want to counter this. >> and all the more interesting, because you report that he actually had some advanced warning. he had intelligence from russian security services.

how, do you know how far in advance, or what did he know? >> well, our sources tell us that about two days in advance, he was given warning that something was afoot, that prigozhin may have been planning something. and there were indications of that among western intelligence as well. and, there were fortifications made, at key establishment in moscow, including around the kremlin. weapons were handed out. so at least in that initial phase, it does seem like this was someone who was getting ready for some kind of attack. but then, these orders on what to do after that never really come, and then of course we all sort of watch as prigozhin stops, and this deal gets hammered out with the president of belarus. so, still things that we don't know about that in particular, and why prigozhin alternately stopped. but putin did have some warning, that this person who he had come to depend on would potentially make a move, as we saw he did in the military headquarters in the south of russia, and then turns his sights on moscow. >> it was also interesting to see sort of the reaction, or i guess the lack of reaction

among local officials, in some of the regions between rostov-on-don, and moscow. yeah, i think this is where they would have been looking up the chain of command, in a military headquarters, and saying essentially, what is it that you want. >> and with no word coming down, they were really kind of left to interpret this more for themselves. and again, this is much more i think in keeping with the image that we have seen, frankly, of the russian military, for more than a year now in ukraine. or the lack of essential communication, and coordination, it appears to be often lumbering where the left hand often doesn't know the right hand is doing. but this again does go squarely down to putin, as somebody who would have had to give orders, in this kind of urgent situation, for what he wanted done. the people and the locals on the, ground were just sort of left listening and waiting, and trying to make it up for himself. shane harris, it's really fascinating, your reporting, thank you. >> thanks. >> prior to the war, russian operatives, including prigozhin, or perhaps best known in this country for their alleged attempts to interfere in u.s. elections and politics. tactics, including using front

groups to organize protests across the country, like the one in houston 2016, where a russian troll crew organized two opposing demonstrations to take place at the same time. now, it appears according to a new report, a company linked with chinese media is doing the same, cnn's donie o'sullivan has the story. >> this protest in washington d. c. last summer, looked like any other demonstration. but according to the cyber experts at google, all is not quite what it seems. they were reportedly hired by a pr group with links to chinese state media. >> they are essentially a, a pro prc propaganda operation. >> john -- 's chief analyst at -- a cybersecurity firm owned by google. this week, it released a report alleging that its content

partners include a chinese state media, that hired avoiding americans to organize protests in washington d. c.. >> for a long time, there were essentially a 12 factor, but they've essentially escalated their tactics. they were able to get essentially, roving protests to happen, and ended up in front of the white house. this is a really aggressive tactic. the aim of the, firmest hoarding to quest, is to spread pro chinese propaganda, and stoke division in the u.s.. >> we did a demonstration directly with black lives matter, and also pro-choice. >> the americans hired to stage the protest -- is a 24-year-old from baltimore, who told cnn he was hired through the popular freelancing website and -- >> it felt like no different than anything, anything else i was contracted for. go to this event, get some info, take some photos, get some video, do some transcribing. >> wright says, he was first asked to cover the international freedom summit as a journalist, and the protest for came later. but he said he had no idea he was working for an entity pushing perot china messaging. >> nothing anti-american. i just wanna keep trust in that. nothing that was anti-american. they said hey, what kind of demonstrations could you

possibly put on? would you be down to doing something like that? would you have any ideas? -- black lives matter, and this abortion situation i just happened on the supreme court. >> rioters an entrepreneur and musicians and activist, he wrote on his own company, and as even before near the kennedy center. like many americans working in the economy, he sells freelance services on platforms like up work, where transactions are sometimes anonymous. >> in this case, did you speak to anybody on the phone. >> i did not. but, that's nothing out of the ordinary. >> -- for buyers to remain anonymous, is a boom for people running covert influence operations. >> i think in most cases, people just had no idea who they were working for. covert influences have always been around. but, there's really been an explosion of that capability, over the last decade. >> three months after this protest, right says these subcontracts asked him to stage another one. this, time against a u.s. ban on goods produced in china's

jiang region, where china has been accused of human rights abuses against uyghur muslims. >> when we were asked about that project, i personally, a lot of people on my team, thought that america was doing the right thing by stopping production in that region of the world. so, what my counterparts would say is listen, unequivocally, we are not telling a story from one side. we are going to tell a neutral story about this, and we got people who said, hey listen, we're going to put on a reenactment of a demonstration for b roll for a documentary. >> writes that he staged a fake protest, to use as reenactment video for a documentary. but the documentary never came to fruition, and the chinese group posted these images to social media, making it look like a real protest. >> clearly, your smart guy. this whole thing about staging a protest for be role for a documentary, surely something about this must not have

sounded right view? >> well that was my idea. >> but when they came to you and said, hey, do a demonstration that's about a policy and energy policy that relates to china national security. >> no -- no one. >> nothing rubbed off in your mind to say, alarm bells? >> and if it did, i want to put more reservation on myself. in a situation that just felt odd. >> does it matter to you if this is some sort of operation run tied to beijing or not? >> of course. if this is an organization that's anti-american, that is going to impede or disrupt or cause harm to the american people, i 100% care. how do they not care? > donie o'sullivan joining us now. what does it chinese government say but all of this? >> it appears to be a six if --

he was not awa of this company's report, and said i want to stress that china has always adhered to non interference in other countries internal affairs. the platform where he was hired by this group told cnn in a statement that this guy behavior from the alleged chinese group is a clear violation of its terms of service. anderson, i want to show you that this is a screenshot from a report on a z central. that is the website of the arizona republic. this alleged chinese group managed to get an article published on the arizona republic's website. the protest the data paid to stage in washington, d. c.. the group leverage that kind of automated news wire service to get this to a real american news website. of course, since removed, it informing the wire service of the misinformation. really a sign of some very sophisticated stuff. something to keep in mind as we go into the 2024 election campaign. >> yeah, we're gonna see a lot more like this. donie o'sullivan, thanks so much. coming up next, florida's

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president biden signed a proclamation establishing a new national monument honoring emmett till, and his mother. this will be located in mississippi where till was murdered, and in chicago where his funeral was held. today it would have been emmett till's 82nd birthday. 68 years ago in august 1955, while visiting family in mississippi, he was accused of whistling at a white woman. he was then kidnapped, tortured, beaten, and shot in the head. his mutilated body was found days later in a river. and it till it was just 14 years old. at his funeral, his mother kept his gasquet open saying, quote, let the world see what they did to my boy. photos of him in that casket helped spur the civil rights movement. months later, rosa parks refused to give up her seat on a montgomery, alabama bus saying it was emmett till's murder was the reason. the man accused of his lynching were acquitted by an all white male jury. months later, they convince the murder in a magazine interview. but today, all these years later, several states have recently taken steps to

restrict or change how race or racism is taught in schools. president biden referenced that at today's ceremony. >> at a time when there are those who seek to ban books, barry history, buried history, making plus crystal, crystal clear. and i listen and hide much. they erase nothing. they can hide but they erase nothing. we can't just choose to learn what we want to know. we have to learn what we should know. we should know about our country. we should know everything, the good, the bad, the true, and who we are as a nation. >> just last, week florida announced new social studies guidelines for middle school students they will be taught about various kinds work that enslaved black people were enslaved to perform. some examps listed, aquaculture, carpentry, and transportation. and then it says this -- quote, instruction include how slaves developed skills, which in some instances, could be

applied for their personal benefit. florida's teacher union calls it a big step backward. just before airtime, i talked about it with democratic congressman james clyburn, who was once a public history teacher in south carolina. >> congressman clyburn, thanks for being here. as you know, florida is requiring instruction for middle school students to include, quote, how slaves developed skills, which in some instances could be applied for their own personal benefit, in quote. does that make any sense to you? >> well, thank you very much for having me, andy, anderson. first of all, absolutely none whatsoever. unless you are looking for some way to whitewash history. i am pretty interested in finding out what is in that list of suggestions as to how they should teach history. today, i wonder what will be taught about the massacre that

had such an impact on florida. and i'm sure it will have an impact on anybody reading his trip history of florida. >> ron desantis is now saying that he, quote, wasn't involved in the new instruction requirement. but he did defend it. i want to play what he said. >> i think what they are doing, i think they are probably gonna show some of the folks that eventually relayed being a blacksmith into doing things later in life. but the reality is, all of that is rooted in whatever is factual. >> i made, the idea of somebody learning some blacksmith thing skills while they were enslaved, and that is somehow something they were able to parlay. it just seems a really inappropriate we writing of history. >> it is a very appropriate, and appropriate way to rewrite

history. i suspect they could turn it into gaetz. i know? a whole lot about blacksmith in south carolina. celebrating him all the time. what that's not what this is. this is about whether or not people are being held against their will, irrespective of what their duties and responsibilities are. that system did not ask them to come into. i have been saying for years that we should teach the full history of this country the history of those who came here in search of freedom as well as the history of those who came here who have lost their freedom. those who came of their own freewill, and those who came against their will. those histories must be taught and taught truthfully. and i think that desantis is showing people every day why he is ill prepared to be president

of the united states. >> i was just down in mobile, alabama in a community called africa town, which was founded by the group of enslaved africans who were brought here on a slave ship called killed. the last slave ship to be brought in the u.s. in 1860. and one of the things that is clear is that many of those enslaved africans on that ship, for instance, had skills when they came here. they knew how to do plenty of stuff. it wasn't as if the people who enslaved them were teaching them anything. they were enslaving them. they were preventing them from using their talents, from learning, using their talents from their own benefit. >> absolutely. in fact, we just recently opened the international african american museum, and it's the biggest exhibits, one of the biggest exhibits and there is called cholera carolina gold. it's a room dedicated to what made the biggest economy in

this country, and it was rice. and the people who knew how to do a price, how to harvest rice, how to build rice patties, that skill came to this country in the heads of those enslaved people. they brought it from africa with them. >> you attended president biden's proclamation signing ceremony today, establishing the metal and maybe till-mobley national monument. and i know you tweeted, just as mamie till-mobley refused to let the world skyway from the truth of what happened to her son, we must fight efforts to erase this country's history. what happened, i mean, you are a student of history, you and i talk about history a lot throughout the years. what do you think happens if the history is erased or glossed over in this way? >> well, we will so we can this country until we lose respect around the world, and it will be the end of not just democracy, but it will be the end of this country as we know it. and i think, it's a hard time

for people of goodwill to be come to speak up about this. you remember martin luther king jr. day in his letter told us that he was promising that the people of ill will in our society were making a much better use of time than people of goodwill. and the people of goodwill must begin to make better use of their times to fight off these foolish things coming from people looking to make political hay out of the misfortunes, families that are still suffering from that today. >> congressman clyburn, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> just ahead, the latest on a lebron james some bronny james, a day after he suffered a cardiac arrest in basketball practice. we will have medical analysis, plus conversation with legendary coach jim boeheim of usc who help coach two of the olympics lebron played on.

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he's also director of the cardiac lab at george washington university hospital. dr. reiner, good to have you on. how prevalent is cardiac arrest and young athletes? >> it's very rare, actually. all told in the united states, every year, there are probably only between 2000 and 5000 cardiac arrests for people between the age of 25. and we see this competitive athletes, about 100 to 150 young competitive athletes who will die during competition every year. and while at that number seems relatively low, that is one athlete dying every year, every 2 to 3 days. we see this, and even though it is rare, these are young people. so, every one of these offenses is a catastrophe. >> that number seems really high to me. just so people know, what is the difference between a cardiac arrest and a heart attack? >> right. so, a heart attack is basically an injury to a heart missile

that is typically caused by a clock clog that blocks the flow of blood in an artery, and a cardiac arrest is basically the sudden cessation of cardiac heart movement. now, a heart attack, you know, caused by blood clot can cause a cardiac arrest, but not every cardiac arrest is caused by a heart attack. and a heart attack, in an otherwise vigorously healthy 18 year old athlete like bronny james, with extraordinarily unlikely, and typically, the causes of a cardiac arrest in an athlete have much more of a generic and primary sort of rhythmic cause. >> we saw what happened to them or hamlin, the football player, after a collision that resulted in a cardiac arrest. so, assuming we don't know if there was a collusion or not involving something that, actually, his heart was

actually physically hit, you said it could be a genetic thing. what in the genetics? and is that something that can be screened for? >> right, the more hamlin episode was basically a one-off event, a one in 10 million kind of thing that happened to damar when he got hit in just the right place at just the wrong time. when an athlete like bronny james has at least, little we know about it, cardiac arrest during practice, that is more commonly an outcome of a genetic predisposition to something like this -- which is a thickening of the heart muscle that can predispose a hard to beat a radically, chaotically, in the essentially sees contracting during vigorous exercise. for some athletes, they have a primary sort of cellular predisposition for arrhythmias. >> is there a chance he would

or would not play again? is this something that has long term effects? >> most of the, many of the conditions that were predisposed in an event like bronny james's are a lifelong event. there was good doesn't go away. many people who survived a cardiac arrest, and you know, i want to say that if he had a full on cardiac arrest yesterday, enormous credit has to be given to the staff at usc for promptly reacting, properly doing cpr. but his risk continues. and many people who survived a cardiac arrest, i would say probably the vast majority of people, will require something like an implantable defibrillator. that is probably not professional sports in particular, but the nba with its extremely high, you know,

activity, not the kind of sport that someone would a different later would likely play. >> we certainly wish him and his family the best. and as he recovers. dr. jonathan reiner, i appreciate. i want to get some perspective now on the game and physical toll it can take on the young man from a legendary basketball himself. jim boeheim one -- and he was an assistant coach in the 2008, 2012 olympic teams that included lebron james. we also understands the family aspect of basketball having coached two of his own sons at syracuse orange. jim boeheim, he i appreciate having you on. in your time, young men, young people in this sport, is this something you've seen before? is this something you as a coach we're concerned about? >> i think it goes back to at mary, mounts they didn't have the different reiterated there. he didn't make.

it today, we're much better prepared. we all have trainers and defibrillators. i'm sure the u.s. see people did a great job. my heart is broken right now after listening to the doctor because we were all thinking -- the coach is, we think positively. we think this is going to work out, and bronny we'll be back. the thing that i always was impressed with, he never took anything for granted. he never used his name. i thought that he was a very good player a few years ago. he has made himself into a very, very good basketball player. and when lebron first started talking about playing together, i said, well lebron is gonna be 41, and bronny is gonna be a freshman or a sophomore. i thought this wouldn't happen. but when you watch lebron james, he is going to do play like tom brady if he wants to. he's going to play until he's

43 or 44 if he wants to. his son would be able to play with him. the one thing that always impressed me with lebron and his wife savannah, they have been around us in the olympics two times, they're just great parents. they have their kids best interests at heart. they're always trying to do things to help their kids. that's what you saw. when you have two sons like i do that play for you, you just want them to be healthy. it's what you worry about. i think the basketball community right now is scared to death, particularly after listening to dr. weiner. bronny has worked so hard. he has never been given anything. he is really developed himself into a tremendous basketball

player, and a guy that has a chance. you know, it's hard to play in the nba. it is really hard. >> we should also -- >> remember seeing lebron when he was 17. there is no doubt that he would play in the nba. six foot nine 250 pounds. his son has made himself into a player that has the chance. his parents have been unbelievable in his development and working with him. >> i also want to point out, we don't know the details of what happened. we don't know how severe it was. you know, i know dr. weiner expressed possibilities. so, i just want to, you know, let's wait until we actually find out more information. we are certainly hoping for the best for his entire family. obviously and for him. jim boeheim, i so appreciate you being on. thank you so much. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> coming up, back to politics, a look at what happened when republican presidential hopeful vivek ramaswamy was looking for support in a place with trump

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backing in a room full of trump supporters. cnn's elle arrid reports. >> vivek ramaswamy is a 37 year old extremely wealthy pharmaceutical entrepreneur, running for president as a republican. he captured conservatives attention after writing a book on wokeness and tweeting a lot. in polls, he's competitive with seasoned politicians. >> thank you. >> we asked people what we liked about him at a turning point action conference where he was speaking. the event was attended by some 6000 conservatives, most of whom cheered wildly for the headliner, donald trump. >> usa! >> tell me what you think about vivek ramaswamy. >> i'm excited by vivek because i see a newness in him. i like his goals. i like his values. i like what he says. >> i first really came to know vivek from a speech he gave at the nra convention. trump had spoken that same conference, and he was, how to put it, it was very trumpy. vivek came in and had a very direct appeal. it was not about him, it was about the audience. >> i came here to tell you why i became a gun owner. >> he's getting praise among

supporters of donald trump, who he's promised to pardon if elected. and he said he'll further trump's america first agenda. >> so, they've got a wall he repeople can put post-it notes about what they think about each candidate. some say nice things, some say bad things. can't even tell this is trump's head anymore, daddy, handsome, save us, you are our last hope. so, here we have mike pence, generally negative tone. we've got treat or, you lost, loser. so, vivek got a whole variety, got vivek, have my children, vivek is brilliant, future president. i like you, but you'll never win, possibly the peak? >> tell me what you wrote on the post. it >> on the vivek post-it? i wrote a great guy, great vp. >> why vp? >> i'm not sure he's season enough yet. >> i think trump is going to win. but i'm voting for vivek ramaswamy. >> and what is your path to the nomination, aside from trump, for whatever reason, dropping

out of the race? >> pat is very similar to the trajectory he took as an outsider last time coming. and i'm pulling ahead of what he was in june of 2015. the debates haven't even started. i think the debate stage is going to be critical. >> i think that both him and trump have a fighting chance. >> do you think he'd do well in a debate? i >> think he'd sweep the floor with ron desantis, that's for sure. >> desantis has falling out of favor with some of this crowd. but that in kill their appetite for a campaign against wokeness. >> woke capitalism is bad for capitalism. but it's also bad for american democracy. >> a big part of ramaswamy's message has been against woke corporations, that he says are promoting messages of diversity that hurt their own profits. >> so, what do you think of ramaswamy's campaign against woke capitalism? >> i think a lot of these big companies like disney, they do push more liberal agendas. i am thinking like apple or google, even though they are private companies, they're so large that you can't just avoid them. they also give all these -- they give pride month, you know. >> so, what do you think of the argument that people were

historically marginalized, oppressed, can even have their own bars, got rated all the time, so, pride month now exist, not to give them a leg up, but to say yes, you are equal members of society? >> i think that's a fair point, that, you know, they were treated unfairly throughout history. but at what point does pride month go away? when this pride month become two months? when does it become pride year? >> ramaswamy is known for giving a lot of interviews. >> let's talk about woke capitalism. >> this new sort of, we'll call it the woke left. >> they blow what i call woke smoke. >> when you talk about anti wokeism, my objection to it is not that -- it >> i'm go to stop you right there. because i feel like you keep putting words in my mouth. i never talk about anti-wokeness. i talk about national identity. >> when you talk about woke-ism as a negative thing -- >> as a symptom of a deeper cancer. >> by objection to -- well, a symptom of cancer is not a positive. >> no, but it's a decision of how i want to talk about it. >> my intention is not that there is annoying people on

twitter. of course there are. >> yes, let's put that aside. >> but there are problems of racism in this country. and i have concerns that what you're telling the audience is, like, actually, no, there isn't. there's no more problems, there's nothing that needs to be addressed, there's no more disparities. you don't have to worry about that anymore. and you can even be angry that somebody is worried about that. >> i think the right way to deal with what i view as the last final burning embers of racism is to let them quietly burnout, rather than trying to put that fire out by accidentally throwing kerosene on it. >> but those embers don't always go out quietly, which was evident even at this conference. >> we have a little bit of a dark side here. we have a star of david crossed out that says soon. that's a 4chan joke, saying there will be a another holocaust. we have 14 88, that is also a not c joke. so, we've got to not see jokes here. everything else though, pretty

positive. >> when cnn pointed out these notes, a turning point spokesperson took them down. >> you are not responsible for the people that put that up. but it was just a very stark reminder that that kind of bigotry still exists. and it is in a lot of places you would expect. >> i can't speak to that particular instance. i'll tell you my experience in this country. have i experienced racism? yes, i have. but i reject the myth that hardship is the same thing as a victimhood. >> that is why -- affirmative action in every ery sphere of american life. >> running against donald trump is a definite shock for any political campaign. >> however, vivek is someone who's getting name recognition by running. >> i don't know if he should be the next president, but i think he does have a place in politics. >> what would that place be? then >> i think like an adviser to trump. i think he's got some good america first ideas. >> elie reid, cnn, west palm beach. >> coming up, doctors are

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the new diabetes we lost drugs ozempic and wegovy. they really skyrocket in popularity for the dramatic result, but now, doctors are raising concerns over some potential new side effects. the fda says they received reports of users experiencing stomach paralysis, and some users tell cnn they're still living with side effects almost a year after they stop taking it. according to the latest data from the maker of ozempic, doctors were writing around 60,000 new weekly prescriptions for the medication as of april. cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta joins us now. so, what more do we know about these new concerns? >> more than 60,000 new prescriptions, that is a remarkable number, the popularity, unbelievable. but you know, one of the things about these drugs, the way they work, they're known as glp-1 drugs. basically, they're trying to mimic something known as glucagon, and that stimulates the body to produce insulin. that's why it's a diabetes drug. that part we get. but what it also does as far as hunger and appetite, it slows

down how quickly your stomach empties. that means you feel full longer, and you don't want to eat as much. so, you have to sort of effects there, one for diabetes, one for hunger. the concern is that even after a while of taking this drug, it slows down your stomach emptying a lot. this is what the study showed. this new study that five weeks these people are taking this drug, and the time that the food actually takes to clear the stomach with the drug, about 70 minutes. and to give you context, with a placebo in that same study, it took about four minutes. so, in part, that's how the medications are supposed to work. that's how it curves appetite. but for some people, it's just taking too long, it's taking too long for the food to actually get out of the stomach. the stock is becoming increasingly paralyzed. let's become a problem for folks. >> what happens when food is in the stomach for too long? >> so, you know, if the food does not clear after a certain amount of time, that is known as gastro priests, or stomach paralysis.

that's essentially what it is. but what they found, and they looked at both these drugs, ozempic and wegovy, and they found that we had symptoms of nausea and vomiting. that's typically what people -- they don't feel well. with ozempic, about 20% nausea, 9% vomiting. wegovy, higher, 44% nausea, 24% vomiting. again, that is the specifics of the types of symptoms that people are complaining about. but it all relates to the same thing. it all relates to that decreased emptying of the stomach. >> and what is the fda and the drug companies say? >> so, the fda at this point is saying, yes, we know about this, there's been a lot of reports. what they're trying to where is the risk versus the reward. is there still enough of a reward of this medication, in terms of its effect on diabetes, in terms of its effect on weight, lost to weigh the risks. and that's on the fda is talking about now. one thing i will say is that diabetes itself can also cause gastric priests or stomach

paralysis. so, how much of it is the drug, how much of it is diabetes that is something the fda is when you look at. on a practical level though, anesthesiologist have weighed in on this. you know, you're not supposed to eat before you have surgery. the reason you don't eat is you don't want some food in the stomach. what the anesthesiologists, the american academy of anesthesiology, says you should stop these medications at least a week before surgery so you're not accumulating food, essentially, in your stomach, that you could potentially aspirate during an operation. so, that's a practical note there. >> all right, sanjay, appreciate it. we'll be right back.

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