biden's legal team is denying that they lied to court officials in order to get materials from a senior republican lawmaker removed from the public docket. the lawmakers called it an unfortunate miscommunication, the lawyers i should say. their response comes in response to the district judge who threatened them with sanctions and accused one of their staff of lying to court officials and misrepresenting who she works for. this comes just hours before hunter biden is expected to appear in court and to plead guilty to two tax misdemeanors and a judge felony charge. thank you for joining me, sara sidner is up now. sara, how are you doing tonight? >> hey, i'm good. happy to see you. and, you know, just trying to have a good show. yours is great. >> have a great show. >> all right. good evening, everyone. i'm sara sidner. welcome to "cnn tonight."

new tonight, the top official fired by president trump after the 2020 election is talking to special counsel jack smith. chris krebs is another big name who may have deep insight into what was going on behind the scenes. smith's team has been asking about krebs' firing and the timeline anderson it. another detail as trump awaits what he says is he sure will be a third indictment. but the grand jury did not meet today. why? more on all of that coming up. also, disturbing news from the world of basketball. lebron james' son bronny james suffered a cardiac arrest during basketball practice at usc and was hospitalized yesterday. he is only 18 years old. so what happened? and how common is this in young seemingly healthy athletes? we discuss all of that as well as the controversy and covid vaccines conspiracies that always seem to arise in these cases. our dr. sanjay gupta weighs in on all of that ahead. plus, a threat to impeach president biden growing as

republican house speaker kevin mccarthy ramps up the accusations without offering any verified facts at this moment how impeachments don't always hurt the politicians they're aimed at. >> more of this continues to unravel, it rises to the level of impeachment inquiry. what that simply provides is that the american public has a right to know, and this allows congress to get the information to be able to know the truth. >> let's begin with chris krebs, the top election security official who was fired by then president trump, confirming tonight that he has spoken to the special counsel. cnn legal analyst elliot williams is here. he is chomping at the bit. he has things to say. along with political commentator scott jennings and columnist for rolling stone who also a rabbi. we're going to have a good discussion here. we're all very much awake and caffeinated.

at least i am. i'm going the tart with you, elliot. we hear chris krebs has talked to the special prosecutors. how might he help their case? >> in order to prove anything in court, prosecutors have to establish intent. what was in the defendant's head at the time that he did the thing he is accused of doing. someone like chris krebs can speak to donald trump's intent with respect to did he know he lost the election and continued to engage in acts of fraud, which is really what the accusation. >> right. >> conspiracy to defraud the united states. and that is what the charge is likely to be. it's very valuable information. also because of the fact that krebs would have been briefing the former president as far back as february 2020, months before he was fired, providing the same information about sort of the integrity of the american election system. so there is a lot that he can provide. there is a lot to say. but look, anybody who seemed to have talked to donald trump over the course of the last several years seems to have spoken to the grand jury. he is just another one.

>> yeah. there are 22 names that people may actually know. but there are a lot more people that have been spoken to. all right, jay, i'm going ask you about this. right after the election, krebs was public. he debunked false claims in a "washington post" op-ed saying the 2020 election was, quote, the most secure in the nation's history. can't trump just deny he heard that? >> i don't think it's really about what trump can deny. i think it is the sort of impossible question of what's going on inside donald trump's head. as elliot just said. this is now part of a prosecution, right? and yet it's also been a mystery for decades, right. does donald trump believe when he is clearly lying? was he impersonating a publicist under a false name in the 1980s. does he know he is lying? does he actually believe this? and as a former academic, i'm fascinated by the question of what's inside of trump's head. but this is relevant to this

judicial proceeding. >> right. >> and that i think as i just said the key to the emerging puzzle that we're seeing piece by piece as it's put together. >> epistomological. >> what do you think about that? >> every time we learn something new, i'm reminded that there are things happening behind the scenes of this investigates. we hadn't heard this guy's name in a few month. >> right. >> we learned the other day heed a reached out to the governor of georgia there is a lot of angles, there is a lot of corners there is a lot of people you hadn't thought of in a while that are floating around in the background that reminds me politically if you were running say a presidential campaign right now, you don't know what's going to be in these indictments. you don't know what the evidence is going to look like. you don't know who said what, who flipped on who. you don't know. there is some value in restraint. when we had the documents indictments, a couple of campaigns got over their skis a little. >> that's right. >> and evidence came out, well,

maybe this did hurt national security. >> didn't look good. >> sometimes discretion is the better part of campaigning. >> everything that happens in a grand jury is secret by law. it can't be released. >> right. we do know there was this target letter, though, and in that target letter, there were three different things that the prosecutors said they were looking at. but let's talk about tomorrow's news tonight. hunter biden set to plead guilty to federal tax misdemeanors tomorrow. republicans are calling the plea deal a sweetheart deal. it is? >> well, look, republicans will have every opportunity to question david weiss in front of congress. the justice department has agreed to make him available for testimony. now he is not going the tell them anything. he is going to say we considered the facts in the law. and for a tax filing and firearm filing offense, these were in line with the sentences that would be normal for those crimes. look, 97% of criminal cases end up pleading out. >> right. >> so the idea that any criminal defendant is pleading guilty

isn't really that big of deal. now, the question is were there other things he was being investigated for that they overlooked. and again, that's got to be the subject of a congressional hearing. they can come in, if there is any there, there. >> i have to ask, there is a lot of pressure looking at sort of the political moment we're in. donald trump may be indicted for a third time, maybe. we don't know. but that is being investigated. but speaker mccarthy is now on a real hunt to try to impeach president biden for sort of unsubstantiated so far claims that he somehow is involved in hunter biden's business dealings, which are being scrutinized. is this simple politics at play here? i think there is a few things going on. i think he is inching closer to that language because he believes, and a lot of republicans in congress believe that the whistle-blowers that have come forward that have testified before congress have brought up extremely important information. it's under a bit of a media blackout. the main papers aren't covering

it. we talk about it a little bit on cnn. but they believe that this is information that warrants more investigation, that needs to be unravelled even further, and that an impeachment inquiry would give them additional tools. at the same time, the political piece is this. we do know trump was pressuring mccarthy based on some of the reporting to maybe expunge his impeachments. and i don't know that that's a great idea to put that on the floor. but one way you could say of that wound would be to talk about impeaching joe biden and sort of change the topic, at least, you know, as it relates to impeachments of presidents at all. do i think they will ever get there? we're a long way from that. but i will say this. virtually every republican i know thinks there is more to this hunter biden stuff as it relates to joe biden than we know publicly right now. >> it's the idea of what did he know, when did he know it. we've heard that before. >> well, it's the idea did joe biden ultimately help hunter biden enrich himself and his family using his official

position as vice president. ultimately, do politicians use their offices to enrich themselves in an improper way. that's the basic question. that is the basic question. and so far we haven't seen a lot of evidence that ties joe biden to the dealings of hunter biden. there are a couple of things out there that have been discussed. jay, i want to ask you a question about whether or not when you see this impeachments, a lot americans look at impeachments from a very politicized lens. could this hurt joe biden or could it hurt those going after joe biden? >> it's certainly true if you look a at the record, it's not a big record, but it certainly has a mixed record. after the clinton impeachment, democrats did better. it's certainly not clear. it's either the impeachment reveals something that is shocking, as maybe was the case in the second trump impeachment, or they reveal a party that maybe got over its skis a little bit, as arguably some would say about the first trump impeachment. and i think to me, i wonder, though, what the long game is on the part of those who are

pushing for an impeachment. even an impeachment inquiry, which i think is useful to disaggregate those. there is whether there might be evidence to do an impeachment, and there i hesitate to agree with speaker mccarthy, but there is something to that. that something that could actually be considered. but this ripens into an impeachment without sufficient evidence, that is damaging our already very fragile democracy. this should not be seen as just politics in another form. this is essentially a quasi criminal investigation and a quasi prosecution. and that should be taken much more seriously than just politics. >> it's important to note that the standard in the constitution -- the constitution doesn't say a lot about what impeachment is or should be. it doesn't give out the rules or how you do it. it's bribery, treason or high crimes and misdemeanors. that's a pretty high standard just look at the language of that. and the idea that if it's going to be just for policy differences or political questions, that's probably not what the framers had in mind. we shall see. >> we will have to wait and see.

i'm sure we'll all be watching. but they are marching towards this. i'm getting an agreement here from scott. so i know i'm on the right track. >> you got it. >> all right. thank you, scott, jay, and elliot for coming on this evening. next, a really shocking health scare for the 18-year-old son of nba superstar lebron james. dr. sanjay gupta here to talk with us about bronny james, and why an 18-year-old star athlete would go into cardiac arrest. he snores like an angry rhino. you've never heard an angry rhino. baby i hear one every night. every night. okay. i'll work on that. save up to $500 on the new sleep number® smart bed. plus, 60 month financing on most smart beds. shop now only at sleep number®. struggling with the highs and lows of bipolar 1?

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a really scary incident involving the son of nba superstar lebron james. 18-year-old bronny james, an incoming freshman at the university of southern california basketball team suffered a cardiac arrest during practice yesterday. he was rushed to the hospital, and tonight he is in stable condition and out of intensive care. a spokesperson for the james

family released a statement saying in part, lebron and savannah wish to publicly send their deepest thanks and appreciation to the usc medical and athletic staff for their incredible work and dedication to the safety of their athletes. i want to now bring in cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. dr. gupta, he is 18 years old and in cardiac arrest. how common is this among younger people? and he is an athlete, for goodness sake. >> right. well, i think it may surprise people. it is rare, but, you know, we're talking about thousands of times that this happens, even among people around that age. there was a study back in 2015. at that point they projected some 6,000 to 6,000 cases of sudden cardiac arrest annually. now one thing i should point out is it is often related to sports, more likely in men and more likely related to basketball players. but about 39% of the time in those under the age of 18 sports

was involved. the numbers start to go down as people get older in terms of the relationship to sports. but it still happens. i will say once you get to 35 and older, the look hood of having sudden cardiac arrest is more likely associated with blockages in the blood vessels that supply blood to the heart. i'll just show you real quick here, sara, you have these blood vessels on top of the heart, they can become blocked. you can develop clots in those. as you get older, that seems to be the more common problem that can lead to tissue in the heart dying and problems with the heart. in younger people, it can be a structural abnormality, an electrical problem with the heart, inflammation unde underlyinging one of those things. we don't know yet. i'm sure that's what they're investigating right now. but i should just quickly point out, he was released from the icu intensive care unit very quickly. and that's a really good sign. >> okay. >> that meant that he was stable

enough. they felt like they had things under control enough to get him out of the icu. and now the testing really to figure out happened, that's what's ongoing. >> you're so good at being a doctor and at being a correspondent, because i knew you'd have some sort of gadget to explain all of this. and you brought out a whole heart. i do want to ask you if there is a difference, and there is, between cardiac arrest and a heart attack? because a lot of people put those two together thinking they're the same thing. >> right. a cardiac arrest is kind of what just what it sounds like. the heart stops beating. a sudden stopping of the heart. someone loses consciousness, they have no pulse. that's what happens. with a heart attack, you get a blo blockage of some of the blood vessels. that leads to some of the tissue in the heart not getting enough oxygenated blood. that can lead to an electrical abnormality. that can cause a cardiac arrest.

one cardiac arrest can be caused by all different things. a heart attack is typically caused by a blockage again or some sort of blood clot in the blood vessels that lead to the heart. >> i want to talk about this because it comes up every single time something happens to a young person, particularly a young athlete when it comes to the heart. already some very influential names have come out on social media and blamed the covid vaccine, saying it could be responsible for bronny's medical condition. nobody obviously -- none of them are doctors who have actually looked at him. what do you say to this? is that a possibility? >> i would put it really low down on the list. you know, there are other things that are more common. again, going back to 2015, there was a study showing that this could happen 6,000 to 7,000 times a year. so that was obviously way before covid vaccines. there is a relationship between especially young men and getting something known as myocarditis,

inflammation of the heart, especially after the second dose of the covid vaccine. but just to give you some context, hundreds of cases of myocarditis out of tens of millions of doses given. so that's the degree of rare that we're talking about here. also, in almost all those cases, it was pretty mild myocarditis, did not lead to significant problems. and also, typically, when people did develop myocarditis, it happened within a short time after receiving the vaccine as well. it's not something that happened far out from the vaccine. so cardiomyopathy, like i was talking about, far more likely than myocarditis in a case like this to cause these sorts of problems. >> dr. sanjay gupta, thank you so much for breaking that down for us. it is a really scary moment. it's hard for all of us mortals to see bronny james, the son of king james actually going through this.

he is such a great athlete and so healthy, we all thought. we are wishing him the best and thank you so much for explaining everything, is an jail. >> thank you. all right. let's now bring in rachel nichols, host of headliners with roueche nichols on showtime. rachel, thank you so much for being here this evening. bronny has been one of the most hyped up for a good reason young basketball players in the entire country. and the spotlight has only increased when he committed to play for usc, just down the road from where his dad plays for the lakers. you have been covering lebron for a very long time, before bronny was even born, as i understand it. but we won't talk about age here, rachel. can you give us some sense of how you've seen bronny handle growing up in such scrutiny, especially when he is on the court. >> yeah, i mean the reason that's relevant is he has been in the spotlight that long. i'm a reporter, and i met him when he was a baby.

he has been in front of the media. he was at his father's games. we have seen him all grow up. and his name is lebron james jr. he goes by bronny. but he's got his dad's full name on his birth certificate, on his back when he plays basketball. it's so interesting, sara. lebron has said recently he really gives givie ing lebron js jr. his name. that he would have an had an easier time. i remember when he was born and lebron talked about how important it was to have that connection with his son. he did not have his own father in his life. and that's really been such a constant companionship, not just as bronny has grown up, but as lebron has grown up into the athlete we know him to be today. look, bronny has been incredibly classy with all of the attention on him, handled himself well over and over again in the spotlight. and was entering usc with so much, so many eyes on him, so highly touted. a lot of endorsement deals, and

really until yesterday, it seemed like everything was going his way. >> yeah. we have seen athletes recently recover from this. damar hamlin, for example, who recovered. he was on the field. everyone was shocked and real dismay, and now he is back playing. but, you know, bronny is going through the right now. he is out of thecu, as we understand it. bronny's family has of course released a statement sing in part yesterday while practicing, bronny james sufferea rdiac arrest. medical staff was able to treat him and take him to the hospital. he is now in stable condition. and no longer in the icu. and we heard sanjay gupta saying how quickly that happened. actually is a very, very good thing for his prognosis. but this has to be terrifying for lebron james and his wife. the whole family, really. >> any parent, if you can put yourself in that position, to hear that your son's heart has stopped, he was very lucky that it happened during a practice

with such an experienced training staff. this is remarkable and speaks to a little bit about the fact that this is more common than you would expect. bronny is an incoming freshman at usc. he was practicing with the team this summer. last summer, an incoming freshman at the time, a kid who is now a rising sophomore had the same cardiac arrest issue during a practice in july one year ago today. and the training staff in that incident rushed into action, saved his life, and they did the exact same thing almost exactly a year later with bronny. but, again, speaks to the fact that this is not something that happens a lot, but it does happen. and in fact, cardiac arrest is the leading cause of death in student athletes. and you look at ncaa basketball players. male basketball players only make up 4% of the ncaa student athlete population, but they make up 20% of these cardiac arrest issues. so it's definitely something that college training staffs are prepared for. and as lebron and savannah said

in their statement, everybody involved is just so fortunate that the training staff there was able to leap into action and take care of bronny the way that they did. >> i hope that it's -- i'm sure it is. but i hope it's really being studied because it is really disturbing to see somebody that young go through something like this. i do want to ask you about lebron james. i know that he really at one point wants to be able to play alongside his son. he's made that pretty clear. some people sort of speculated that maybe he is staying in the game, hoping for that moment. do you think that's all at risk at this point? >> yeah, i mean, look, we don't know what the future holds for bronny. and lebron talked to me maybe five years ago when the kid wasn't even playing high school basketball about this idea of playing with his son. this has been a hope and dream of his. there is no question that he is extending his nba career. he has kind of lined up his contracts in a way that yes, he is still under contract with the lakers when bronny potentially joins the nba, but it's his option. if he wants to go somewhere else, where bronny goes, he can

do that to. this has been the plan. and we'll have to see if bronny's health will permit this. sanjay was talking earlier about the different ways cardiac arrest happens. with damar hamlin, that was blunt force trauma. that was jarring. we saw him take a shot right to the chest and it stopped his heart. when it's a case with bronny james, maybe he took an elbow to the chest, we don't know. but more commonly what happens is there is something about the athlete's heart that in that moment of stress, of stopping and starting and everything that goes on that causes this condition. so as sanjay mentioned, the expectation is he will go through testing over this next week, see if they can identify the problem that led to this solvable or fixable. we expect him to get right back on the court the way damar hamlin has been able to enter training camp this week with the bulls and hopefully continue that bright future that is ahead of him. if not, obviously it would be a crushing disappointment if we can't play basketball again.

i will say this about bronny james. i saw him just a few months ago after he committed to usc, and we were talking about his college experience. this is such a well rounded kid. this is is not someone where basketball is the only thing in his life. so i think everybody -- the main thing is he is okay, which it seems like he is. the second is the hope he can continue his dream and play alongside his dad in the nba and all of that. from knowing him, he will be okay either way. hopefully he can do what he loves. >> rachel, that is really good reporting, thank you for sharing all that. and your experience. and our prayers and hopes go to his fast recovery. we hope he is not under too much pressure because the world is watching as he goes through this with his family. i appreciate you. >> it's a lot. thank you, sara. all right. florida department of education officials defending new state guidelines that would describe slavery as having a personal benefit to enslaved people. how do they explain that? well, we're going the hear from one of those officials, next.

in a video obtained exclusively by our affiliate wplg, we are hearing a florida

department of education official explain and defend the new standards for teaching the history of black americans. the official speaking to a group of teachers after the state board of education approved the new guidelines that include teaching florida's middle school children that black people did not just suffer from the brutality of slavery, but also benefitted from it. >> the lecture includes how slaves developed skills which in some instances could be applied for their personal benefit. this has been -- this has been interpreted to mean slaves benefitted from slavery, and that is not the standard at all. what this is saying, what this is saying is this is not the story simply of victims who withered in the face of oppression. but rather, the story of a

resilient people who responded to their oppressors in an adaptive manner utilizing every resource at their disposal to resist the inhumane nature of the bondage they were in. >> the speaker in that video is florida department of education official john duebel. i wanted to hear more from him, so we reached out to mr. duebel. but he referred us to the florida department of education. we've contacted that board three separate times. they are not responded to our inquiry. all right. here to discuss florida's new education standards and this new explanation, neil joseph, associate dean for equity, justice and inclusion at the university of texas at austin is joining us now. he is also the author of the third construction. professor joseph, what did you make of the state official's

explanation of these new standards of how they're going to teach history, and particularly african american history? >> hi, sara. thank you for having me. i think it sounds unconvincing. i think what we're facing in florida, and even my adopted home state of texas is a real resistance to discussing the hard history that we all face, the history of racial slavery, the history of subjugation. in that history there is the history of resilience. there is the history of black people as the leading articulators of dignity, democracy and citizenship for all people in ways that since racial slavery or reconstruction have impacted women, have impacted working class whites, has impacted the lgbtqia community, has impacted people of color within the united states and globally. but that's not what these new

guidelines do. the idea that somehow racial slavery sort of benefits black people really ignores the brutality and the horror of that story, but it also ignores the way in which there were white people who were abolitionists who stood in solidarity with black people and believed in black dignity and citizenship. so the idea that teaching the complex history of the united states is somehow going to be offensive to students, especially white students, it really gets our story exactly o black history really is that resilience, but that the person spoke of, but to get to that resilience, we really have to talk about the horrors of racial slavery, and also the way in which racial slavery built up the wealth of the united states and built up a vision of global capitalism that was really based on the exploitation of black bodies. not only just their labor, sara,

but they were -- people put out life insurances on black folks. people invested money globally in the global economy based on having and using enslaved black people as collateral. and even the way in which they're just calling black people who lived during that period and africans who lived during that period slaves really dishonors them, right? these are enslaved human beings who some of them could read and write, but many were bought and sold like chattel, you know, in terms of chattel slavery. they were considered this species of property in that context. so the only way we can come to terms with both racial slavery and its after life is by teaching the truth to all of our students irrespective of race. >> professor, they talked about that official, the florida official talked about this is about actually teaching about resilience. it's not just that they learned new skills, but then they should

doh just do that, correct? you talked about resilience that should be the guideline. but that's not what the guideline says that has everyone so upset. i want to ask you about what you think of this. the demand forhe new acose in african american studies is actually surging across the uned states, where people are looking for more information, not less, and ose numbers are going up. the pilot course will be offered in the upcoming school year in 800 schools twice than what the college board says it had planned for. why do you think this is happening now? >> well, sara, america has always been more than just one thing, right. the continue contains multitudes. so we've been two things simultaneously. we'ved a times been pro slavery and abolitionists. we've been pro racial segregation and pro racial integration.

for voting rights for all people and against voting rights. i think right now in the mid of what i've called this third period of reconstruction, we've got people who are for innive of the 1619 project and ap african american history and really getting to the deep roots of our story. because this the origin story of us. and yet we have people who are really violently opposed. so it's always been a story of this narrative war between reconstructionists who are supporters of multiracial democracy versus redemptionists who are really followers of the lost cause and that old antebellum history that we're still trying to come to terms with today. and so many people want to view slavery as some kind of benign institution. that's how we got "gone with the wind." and now we know "gone with the wind" which premiered in 1939, poor martin luther king was dressed as an enslaved young person at the premiere in atlanta in 1939. we know this from my friend

jonathan ike's new book on king. we have a distorted history of what slavery was. we still think about slavery as mint juleps and tea and nice polite white folks. and somehow this was some kind of rough education for black people. that's what senator john calhoun from south carolina called it. it was not that. it was the super exploitation of black women and children and men and boys and girls and babies to enrich the entire united states, from sea to shining sea. it's new york and wall street. >> there were rapes, there were children stripped away from mothers and families. and, you know, if you really delve deep into it, it is the extremely disturbing and the vestiges of that are still around in society. i do want the just quickly ask you, we heard from desantis, who is running for president. he is the governor of florida at the time. and he says these are thorough standards done by african american history scholars.

there is no agenda here. do you believe that, yes or no? >> no, absolutely not. i think this is all part of this anti-so-called woke agenda which is really an agenda that tries to distort and disfigure black history. what governor desantis doesn't understand is black history is really american history. so certainly within the horrors of slavery, black people found great beauty against all odds. they love their family members. they innovated in terms of food and cooking and music. they were rice cultivators. they're the people who distilled the whiskey and gave jack daniels all the knowledge to do what he did. we were creators. and there was black talent and black genius that came from africa, right? but the idea that somehow we have to soft peddle this because telling our kids the truth is going to offend one part of the population really ignores the fact that black history is

american history. and the souls of black folk are really what has really enlightened this country and really ennobled this all. so the idea of black dignity and citizenship, despite racial slavery is the key through-line. and remember, we had white people during antebellum slavery, white women and men, not just the quakers who were abolitionists. they were abolitionsist. they fought alongside black people. >> we have seen that in the history books. hopefully it will be taught accurately. professor, thank you so much for coming on and explaining all of this and your point of view on it. all right. coming up, a new report from "the washington post" details vladimir putin's actions in the hours following the failed coup by wagner boss yevgeny prigozhin. why they're saying poot tin appeared, quote, paralyzed. that's coming up next.

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new details emerging about russian president vladimir putin's actions in the early hours oft last month's attempted coup ahead of wagner mercenary yevgeny prigozhin. according to "the washington post," ukrainian and other security officials say putin was paralyzed and unable to act decisively, despite being warned at least two or three days before by russian secuty of prigozhin's tempted mutiny. one european security official telling the post, quote, putin had time to take the decision to liquidate the rebellion and arrest therganizers. then when it began, there s paralysis on all levels. there was blight dismay and confusion for a long time they did not know how to react. for more on this remarkable reporting, i want to bring in bill broader, ceo of hermitage capital management and head of

the global justice campaign. can you tell me how you read this? is putin losing some of his grip on power? >> well, this report talks about how putin was paralyzed before and during the first day of the rebellion. but if you look at his conduct since this whole thing has happened, it looks like he is paralyzed. yevgeny prigozhin, the head of the wagner mercenary group, organized an armed rebellion. normally when somebody does something like that in a dictatorship like russia, the dictateler take the rebel and chop his head off, literally, and go after everybody involved. that hasn't happened in this case. putin, instead of taking him to red square and chopping his head off, he brought him in to the kremlin for meetings with him and his guys. they gave him his money back that they seized from his office. sitting in belarus enjoying the good life. everything about putin's conduct here shows confusion, fear, and

a lack of clarity, which started from that day and carries on. it's a very strange situation. >> i think it's important to note, people have stood up against putin who have only spoken out against him, never mind tried to revolt against him have been poisoned, jailed, or killed falling out of windows and the like. by the regime. and here you have someone, as you mentioned, who literally tried to have a mutiny against him that ended up being stopped and is still walking around a free man. that has to be incredibly embarrassing for putin. there is also incredible news on the front of trevor reed, which everyone should remember is the former u.s. marine released by russia in a prisoner swap last year. and we're now learning that reed was injured while fighting in ukraine against russia. what do you think about this development? and why do you think he chose to go to ukraine after his

experience? >> this is a pretty tricky situation. on one hand, it's very honorable for trevor reed to go and fight the russians on behalf of the ukrainians. he's seen firsthand how evil putin's russia is. they took him hostage in a totally unjust arrest. so that's good. and that's honorable. but on the other side, the cost of getting him out was -- he was swamped with a worldwide arms and drug dealer named constantine youurshenko was arrested. he was a high value prisoner and trevor reed was swapped for yurshenko. the thing that bothers me about this, had trevor reed ever been taken hostage again, we have had to do another double dip to get him out. in other words, another high value hostage. in a certain way he has cost us a lot. it's very good that he is fighting on behalf of the ukrainians. we need to support the

ukrainians any way possible. but i'd rather have somebody else who is not somebody so valuable to us, who they see as so valuable. >> yeah, those trade-offs happen. and that's what russia demands. bill browder, it is a remarkable moment in russian history and certainly a remarkable one for the ukrainians as well. thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> all right. tomorrow could be perhaps the day we finally get some answers about what exactly is flying around our skies that can't be identified. that's right, congress will be holding a hearing on ufos tomorrow. and we're going give you a preview of that, ahead. makes sense! oh, i see what you did there! - what? - what? i don't get it. hehe.

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you know what they say. the truth is out there. but will we ever really know it? tomorrow's news tonight, the house oversight committee is scheduled to hold a hearing tomorrow on unidentified aerial phenomenon. what we regular focal ufos. objects like the one you're to be see that seem to defy physics and fly like nothing pilots have ever seen before. >> oh! woo-hoo. >> roger. >> oh, okay. oh, my gosh. wow. look at this fly. >> you can hear the excitement in the pilot's voice. and he asked the question, what the doctor is that thing. we all want to know. i have personally spoken to a

navy pilot for a while he and other pilots would see ufos on a daily basis. now the committee is going to hear testimony from former u.s. military and intelligence personnel who say they too have seen uaps as they call them. and we'll bring you more on this tomorrow. thank you so much for being with us tonight. our coverage continues.

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