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that they made, the one where they said, okay, we've put us back on the rails. it covers any tax, any gun or drug issues from 20 f14 to 2019. that's what they said -- again, this is the second agreement,they finally said they were ready to go forward with. what that leaves open to is whether there is some aspect of this investigation that we've known for some time were part of this, including money laundering. whether he violated the law on foreign agent registration, whether those things are still on the table. again, those are big, big things. and if you're hunter biden, why would you agree to a deal whereby some of these things, again, have been under an examination, under a five-year investigation, right? >> yeah. >> whether those things are still on the table. that is, to me, very perplexing. one thing i'd say, we were surprised when this day began we had not yet seen a statement of facts from the government. the government had not filed it in open court, so, we couldn't
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see it. so some of the questions you're asking are very good ones. one that we -- possibly could have been answered by looking at that agreement before the court hearing began in that. >> yeah. well, those fair violations, failing to file as a foreign agent are things we've seen prosecuted in recent years, including the trump administration. norm eisen, there's three players in effect, you've got the prosecution, you've got biden's lawyers and you've got the judge here. they've all got to be happy to come to a conclusion to get some deal back on track. based on what you're seeing playing out, the remaining issues, do you see those pieces coming together? >> is that wo >> that would be the normal state of affairs, jim. >> normal -- normal went away a long time ago. >> just asking the questions, we saw the scope of the plea
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bargain. that very quickly happened over the break. now there's additional questions about the constitutionality of some of these. >> yeah. >> my reaction to that there are legislate constitutional issues rattling around that would have come out if there was a trial. >> be specific. are we talking big separation of power constitutional issues here? or are we talking about the judge's concerns about involvement in -- >> jim, everyone is scratching their head a little bit. we'll see that in the briefs. this is the kind of issue you have to ask. and we've seen this with a number of trump-appointed judges. we saw it with judge aileen cannon in her initial rules with the search warrant out of mar-a-lago. is this out of the ordinary? i'm not ready at this stage to say that it is because as evan notes there's a lot of information that we didn't get. >> a trump-appointed judge, the
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prosecutor, weiss, was trump-appointed as well. interestingly, on both sides of the case, two out of three, folks appointed by the trump administration. >> right. the judge is raising i think very legitimate basic concerns. she started pulling at a thread. and who knew that the entire robe would just come falling down, right, just from pulling that one thread. and so i thinking she was asking some legitimate questions about whether the two agreements, right, the one dealing with the tax issue, and the one with the gun, whether the two things were linked? whether, for example, there was a problem in meeting the issues of the first one, whether the other one falls apart. and that's where they seem to start going off the rails. because suddenly, they seem, the two sides did not agree. and that's where she finally said i have concerns. >> and we should note that the gun portion of this which was held in escrow to some degree was put out here on hold, and the judge would have to decide if there was a violation in the future. anyway, that's complicated
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stuff. i didn't go to law school, that's why i bring guys on order, norm, boris. >> and i didn't go to law school as well, kara scannell was in the courtroom as this was happening. the breaking news, a judge putting a hold on a plea deal struck by hunter biden and his legal team, and prosecutors with the doj on two important tax evasion charges. and a gun charge that apparently, she took issue with calling it unusual. let's go to kara scannell. kara, you've been there all day with this back and forth. first, talk to us about the demeanor of hunter biden when he walked in, versus when all of this was happening and then when he walked out of court. because we're anticipating that this matter would be resolved. the one ongoing now for five years. and instead of it being resolved, we've got more coming in the court. >> reporter: yeah, boris, i mean, starting off team, the
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legal team would have thought this would have been a 30-minute legal court, it lasted more than three hours. walking out of here without a deal, hunter biden pleading not guilty to those two demeanors. in the beginning, when things were on track, it was fairly norm. the judge was ask questions, he was answering very respectfully, yes, your honor, yes, your honor, and then when the plea deal appeared to be falling apart. this was the first time that biden's team and the prosecutors seemed to be on the scope of the disagreement and possible charges then they took a ten-minute break to try to work this out. during that period of time, biden was huddling with his attorneys. at times, this brow was furrowed. he appeared agitated.
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one of our colleagues took a good look at him and said he looked worried during this process. then they appeared to reach a deal again. biden's team getting on board with the prosecution's versusch what was covered by the plea agreement, which was just tax charges, gun charges and then it was the judge who picked things up again, it looked like we were moving forward towards a resolution. and she said she wasn't ready to accept the terms of this deal. ultimately, he was removed from the courtroom to be processed for the crimes he's now charged with that he entered the not guilty plea. but he left the courtroom to be processed, fingerprinted and what the usual course is. and now there's the big question whether we will hear from his legal team today if they will make any sort of statement on that, and we're waiting to find out if they will. obviously a different scenario they thought walking into court, walking out with a lot more work to do. the judge giving both sides 30
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days to provide legal briefs. she raised concerns, on two ways, one is the tax agreement and how it's structured under the rules which will she would essentially be a rubber stamp to it would not be able to accept the plea or change the plea that was given to her to say, okay, i get it. and then ultimately have a role in sentencing. that would be up to her. she's not bound by anybody what kind of sentence she would give him. then the other issue on this gun diversion, there she had constitutional issues. she said she wasn't sure it was okay for her the judge, someone in the judicial branch, as she put it plopped into the middle of this agreement reached by hunter biden and the prosecution. and she said on the fly she wasn't able to make that to say it's okay. she did apologize to hunter biden and said shthat she was eager to get the five-year investigation resolved. she wanted to make it clear that
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he was pleading to something that was the case. and not something that he's finding out part of the agreement. she's doing it to protect him making sure he understood it and it was constitutional. boris. >> care remark you mentioned that both sides, the prosecution and hunter biden's legal team have 30 days to file the briefs. have we heard what that process is going to be like? has either side given an indication what they intend to do with those briefings? >> reporter: well, the prosecution said that they would need time to review the transcript because there was so much discussed today, to make sure that they understood exactly what issues the judge had questions about. they would need time to do legal briefings on the issue. to look for case laws to basically support their position but also, you know, to negotiate probably further and firm up some of these questions they were modifying on the fly, such as the scope of the immunity deal, you know, within the tax
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agreement, the tax plea agreement. so they're going to have to get on the same page and probably firm that up in writing to make sure they both agree what is covered under that. as far as what charges is covered and what potentially was not covered because that was one of the initial wrinkles in the agreement. then they will present that to the judge, and she will have both sides come back on another hearing if she has questions. or it could move to a guilty plea if she's satisfied by the agreement. the judge saying she's not saying today she's going to reject the plea agreement but she's also saying she's not willing to sign off on it as it was today. >> kara, one more question, the awkwardness that we saw, the back and forth in court, it wasn't the only weird moment in this case in the last 24 hours, because, allegedly, there was a miscommunication between hunter biden's legal team and a request to take down certain information that was posted to the case docket. how did that come up in court
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today? and break that whole scenario down for us. >> reporter: i mean, boris, that's what we thought was going to be a bit of a side show today in the hearing. in fact, it didn't even come up at all. the judge was squarely focused on these agreements but what had happened was yesterday the house chairman -- i'm sorry, the house ways and means committee asked for a petition to file amicas plea. saying they believed there was political interference in this investigation. then what came to the judge's attention is that the house ways and means committee attorneys said that this document was taken off the court docket. and they said improperly, because they said one of hunter biden's attorneys had contacted the clerk of the court saying that she worked for the house and asked them to take it down. now, biden's attorneys were asked by the judge to respond.
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she said, why shouldn't i sanction you for this, misrepresentation? biden's attorney said no, that's not what happened. this is a misunderstanding. i expected that to take up part of the arguments today but in fact it didn't even come up because so much of the core of this plea agreement took front and center issues here. it remains to be seen what would happen if the amicus brief comes in. it wasn't even addressed in court with all of the other dramatics going on. >> just a footnote in the face of this drama, kara scannell, please stand by. jim. >> back to norm eisen and evan perez, norm eisen, from the outside, who's responsible? did prosecution lawyers and defense lawyers not tie up the loose ends? or is in your view is the judge
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getting unusually involved in this case, in this deal? >> probably all of the above, jim. you know, this was an issue about the scope, you know, was this a free pass in perpetuity if hundred hunter took the stance -- that's been revolve. >> this lawyer, mr. clarke, it was clear that we looked at the terms of the plea agreement that this was not going to foreclose everything. and the justice department spokespeople had said that was an open matter. so i view that as posturing, okay, the judge wants to nail it down in the plea agreement. but now to introduce these kinds of fundamental or existential questions about a plea agreement, that's very unusual. we'll see how that plays out. there's a tension between her
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position, because first she says, i don't want to be a rubber stamp. you're making me a rubber stamp. and then a few minutes later, she turns around and says, you're plopping me down in the middle. in other words, i'm not enough of a rub ber stamp. so, i expect it will be worked out. the parties will go back. you have to respond to her. you know, i don't think that these supposed constitutional concerns are very well taken. >> understood. evan, you've been covering this case from the beginning. do you see -- what are the two sides doing right now, in effect? are they meeting over coffee and saying we've got to work this out by tomorrow? do they have an interest, both parties, in rez rektsing a plea deal? >> i think both the government and hunter biden's team have an interest in trying to resolve this as soon as possible. i don't think they're going to do it today. they're going to take a breath and go back and start those conversations again, jim. the question, though, of whether
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this judge is really kind of maybe, right, has been influenced by some of the ongoing noise. the questions that have been out there, the political questions, you know, trying to inject themselves into this hearing from the beginning. >> yep. >> and she seems to at least be saying that she was uncomfortable being a rubber stamp on at least part of this agreement. so the question is whether that is indeed the issue. >> yeah. >> whether she makes that clear, or whether there is some way for the justice department, for david weiss, the u.s. attorney here, and for the hunter biden team to come to some new agreement that they can try to get past her. i mean, the question, you know, obviously, doesn't resolve itself. the political question doesn't resolve itself here, right? we know that beyond just the legal part of this that there's a whole political part of this. and we may be seeing that injected itself into this. >> in an ideal world, the court is impervious it that political
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pressure on the outside which, by the way, is the substance of the allegations that you hear from republican lawmakers but it wouldn't be the first time. to be fair, it's a highly-charged case. >> nothing really explains why this case has been going on for five years. >> right. >> this is not a case that needs to take five years. >> do you agree with that given the severity? >> i do and i think the other thing that we're talking about is also a clue, this misunderstanding where one of hunter biden's lawyers called the courthouse and said some documents have been filed by a republican congressman that has very sensitive information. and they get an order from the judge saying there's a misrepresentation. it's a very reputable firm, somebody who does this all the time. i very much doubt there was any misrepresentation or subterfuge. that reaction speaks to almost the radioactive nature of what's
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going on. >> i want to update, just moments ago, hunter biden left the courthouse, i believe we have pictures there, there he is, in fact, with his lawyers, as we've been reporting, the hearings are done for the day, if they do come to an agreement, we're not going to hear about that in tomorrow. you can be sure prosecutors and biden's attorneys have information to come to. meanwhile other news. to bring you this major breaking news, just minutes ago the federal reserve announced its decision to raise interest rates for the 11th time since march of last year. let's go to cnn's christine romans who has been tracking this, christine, these are the highest interest rates the united states is now seeing in some 22 years. >> that's right, and this is a decision, boris that will affect just about every american, if you have money in the bank or borrowing on a credit card or borrowing for a home, these are numbers that matter. the federal reserve that's trying to get inflation under
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control. the fed saying the u.s. economy is growing at a moderate pace, the job market is robust but inflation is still too high. the fed would like for get consumer inflation to 2%. it's sitting at 3% right now. so the fed doing more work here. this is, again, something is that will affect how much interest you're get flg your bank account for savers out there. but also will definitely make it more expensive to borough money here. the fed trying to cool down what has been a resilient u.s. economy and trying to get inflation under control. >> and christine, we're expecting to hear from fed chairman jerome powell, what are you expecting to hear in the next hour, future rate hikes? >> that's exactly what reporters will be asking them, when they meet again in eight weeks, will they raise the rate to use your words to put a pin in it. and there's a lot of data between then and now. the fed makes it clear it's data-dependent, as they say,
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they watch everything report that comes to see if the u.s. economy can have a soft landing here. it wasn't long ago the "r" word out of everyone's lips was rece recession. now the "r" word is resilience. that resiliency is causing a problem. >> yeah, we've been talking about a possible recession for almost two years that fortunately has not come about. >> that's right. >> christine romans thank you. stay with "cnn news central," hunter biden just left federal court, we're going to follow that breaking news. and what comes next as h his lel drama unfolds. life, diabetes. each day is a unique blend of going, doing, and living. glucerna protein smart with 30 grams of protein to help keep you ming. uniquelyesigned with carbsteady toelp manage blood sugar response. glucerna, bring onhe day.
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♪ some startling and sad breaking news just into "cnn news central" global star and singer sinead o'connor has died. she was reportedly just 56 years old. this comes some 18 months after her 17-year-old son reportedly took his own life. cnn's stephanie elam has more. ♪ things i just became never messed me up ♪ >> reporter: sinead o'connor obliterated the female movie star in the late 1980s with a
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shaved head, stirring performances and a mouthful of controversial opinions. ♪ nothing compares to you ♪ >> reporter: o'connor topped the music charts in 1990 with her version of "nothing compares to you" written by prince. he won the mtv award, rolling stone named her performer of the year. accolades and awards seemed to mean nothing compared to o'connor's pride to evoke thought. when o'connor ripped up the picture of john paul ii on national television, backlash reverberated around the globe. weeks later, a crowd booed her loudly and excessively when she took the stage at a tribute. o'connor repeatedly called her catholic and spiritual.
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in 1999 she became the first priestess of a catholic group. o'connor called for the pope to tell the truth. >> we have the documents and the proof, tell us that we're being lied to and we're being lied to by people who are supposed to represent jesus christ. >> reporter: o'connor lashed out at other celebrities once calling u2's music bombastic and miley cyrus to let the music make a prostitute of you and accused arsenio hall of prince after the superstar's death. divorce, custody battles. the singer marriedyied two times mother of four children. in early 2022, she checked into a hospital grieving the death of her third son shane. at 51, o'connor converted to
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islam covering her trademark shaved head with a hijab. as she continued performing her music reflecting on a lifetime of struggles. ♪ don't want to waste the life god gave me i don't think it's too late to save me ♪ ♪ it's not too late ♪ >> our thanks to stephanie elam for that report. sinead o'connor dead at 56 years old. jim. we do have breaking news to report, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell pictured there just appeared to freeze during his weekly press conference about halfway through a sentence as he was speaking, our manu raju was in the room when this happened, manu, i wonder if you could describe what you saw and what you're hearing from mcconnell's office? >> reporter: yeah, mitch mcconnell this is every week he gives a weekly press conference,
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talks to reporters about the issues of the day. he began his remarks, his opening remarks, talking about the legislative business that is happened in the united states senate. then he abruptly froze, causing some questions among some of this colleagues, and a suggestion that he should end the press conference hastily, as he later went back to his office nor some time, ultimately returned to answer questions. and this is the moment in which he froze in the mill of hmiddle his opening remarks. >> after finishing the nea this week, good bipartisan cooperation, and a string of - -
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>> hey, mitch. anything else you want to say? do you want to say anything else to the press? >> go ahead, john. >> reporter: sow, the senator was speaking to him was senator john barrasso who is a physician who asked him if he was okay and wanted to continue on with the press conference. there's a concern about senator mcconnell's health. earlier this year, he suffered a fall, hit his head while at an event at a washington hotel he was later hospitalized for some time, diagnosed with a concussion along with broken ribs. he's had walking issues for much of his life given he had polio as a child that he later recovered from, and had incidents in recent years of tripping and falling including
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earlier this year in that one incident. so, i asked the leader whether or not this was related to that concussion that he suffered earlier this year. he said, no, i am fine. he did not labt elaborate at al. he did talk about potentially impeaching joe biden along with hunter biden that collapsed. there were questions about the appropriations process and spending legislation that's happen. so so he was able to answer questions. jut observing mcconnell in recent weeks, he's been a little bit -- speaking much slower. in recent press conferences he's been speaking with more of a hushed tone, not as loud of a voice as he's had in the past. at one point earlier this year, just a few weeks ago, he was unable to hear questions that were being asked to him that were clearly audible among some of the reporters asking at his weekly press conference. so, here, obviously, a
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concerning situation, as you can hear there, jim, the leader said he's fine and he can do his job. >> clearly, that pause lasted a considerable period of time. and john barrasso, a doctor himself, do we know if the minority leader received any attention following this? >> reporter: it doesn't seem that way, jim, it was pretty quick from the time he left the press conference and returned. each of those those answering questions five questions or so from reporters so there was not any time to get any sort of medical -- medical. >> right. >> reporter: any doctor or anyone to come and diagnose him with anything here. but it's very clearly that obviously this could potentially be related to all of the aftereffects of that concussion earlier this year. but the senator says he's fine.
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a number of senators were there obviously concerned about that unusual moment here in the halls of the senate. >> neighbanybody watching, manu thank you. if you're just watching us we played video of mitch mcconnell freezing up during a press conference. we'll continue to stay on top of that story, as long as anything that we're learning about the deal no longer, hunter biden hunter biden plea deal as we continue to follow that story as well. please do stay with us. es and relentlessly work with you to make ththem real. ♪ tv: try tide power pods with 85% more tide in every pod. who needs that much more tide? (crashing sound) he does. mom: we're having iplets. no, what does at mean? iteans you're gonna need more tide. -see? -baby: ah. more likesmore tide. the more adorable? more tide. everyone's gonna need more tide.
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said nothing it take waway ♪ 'cause nothing compares nothing compares to you ♪ more on the breaking news just into cnn news central. global star and singer sinead o'connor has reportedly died that's according to irish broadcaster rte. the singer just 56 years old. let's discuss with anthony decurtis a contributor at "rolling stone." sinead o'connor is someone whose personal struggles were often very public. talk to us about her life and her legacy. >> yeah. i mean, sinead o'connor was an extremely important artist. you know, her first two albums "lion and the cobra" and "i do
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not want what i haven't got" made a huge impression, announced her as a tremendously important talent. you know, she was very politically committed, you know, but as you said, you know, i think emotional problems often got in the way of her message. or at least confused her message for the vast majority of people. you know, i think most people are familiar with her ripping up a photograph of the pope on "saturday night live." she announced that that protest was about child abuse in the catholic church. that is a concern that seem prescient. you know, whether ripping up a photo of the pope on national television is the best way going about delivering that message, you know, could be debated. but sinead is somebody who went after it. she believed in certain causes. and she was out there on that. and, you know, she struggled.
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i mean, she had emotional problems throughout her entire life. and while we don't know the cause of death at this point, you know, she was on a kind of suicide watch for a while. her son, her 17-year-old son committed suicide last year. and, you know, she was understandably extremely distraught after that. >> yeah, notably, anthony, one of her final messages on social media was a photo of him talking about the light in her life being gone. obviously, that was something that was extremely difficult for her. but one of many episodes in her life that were ultimately tragic. >> yeah. i think sinead o'connor was someone that i think people were always waiting to kind of assume the role that, you know, kind of she deserved, just on the basis of her talent.
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but there always seemed to be issues that would -- that would knock her off that path. you know, whether or not, you know, those were her own emotional problems. you know, which made it very, very difficult. or the kind of controversies that she intentionally stirred up, although to what end, to what productive end, you know, is something that could be debated. the people who are strong sinead advocates will say, well, you know, if you care about those issues, you have to put them out there in the strongest possible terms. you can also say you have to put them out there in a way that the audience that you're attempting to speak to can understand and possibly be convinced. you know, sinead often missed that latter target. >> anthony, please standby, we have domenic patton the senior
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editor atda date line. sinead o'connor passing away at a relative young age outspoken on a number of issues. >> i mean, it's a tragedy, of course. when i grew up, i have to brag a little bit "nothing compares to you" was a great admirer of her spirit and dedication. certainly in her own memoir described in her posts on social media as is her right, she was troubled. i have to say to some degree, it's no surprise. it's a tragedy, it's a tragedy that maybe we saw coming, sadly to say. dominic, sometimes, we see with some of the most spectacular artists, their personal struggle informs their art. you mentioned "nothing compares to you" music that defined a generation and essentially
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motivated female artists to feel empowered. talk as you about the legacy she leaves behind. >> i think sinead o'connor leaves a tremendous legacy, we all know that the cover to prince "nothing compares to you" and we collaborated by u2 on the edge. the stance now looks pathetic, i think her bravery standing in madison square garden, standing next to kris kristofferson. or patriotic issues, on issues on child birth and child rearing, i think this is a person who compared deeply about human beings, had a great deep of empathy, we just saw in the past few minutes, shirley manson, the lead singer of garbage saying she's heartbroken over the death of sinead o'connor, debbie harry and
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others really defined women's face in rock 'n' roll and music and planted a flag solidly that said this is who i am. you can never turn away from sinead o'connor. whether you love her or not, never turn away from her. isn't that the greatest legacy of any artist. >> dominic decurtis, thank you. coming up another story we're following, exclusive new reporting on marine veteran and former russian detainee trevor reed. how exactly he ended up in the hospital after fighting alongside soldiers in ukraine, next, on "cnn news central."
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♪ cnn has now obtained this exclusive photo of marine veteran trevor reed in ukraine. reed's family shared it with cnn. a source close to reed tells us that he is expected to make a full recovery after he was wounded in ukraine around two weeks ago while fighting alongside ukrainian forces against the russian invasion. remember, reed was wrongfully detained in russia for nearly three years before he was released last year in a prisoner swap. cnn's jennifer hansler joins us from the state department. now, jennifer, a question i suppose going forward is the seriousness of his injuries. i'm told it was a wound to his leg. the concern was better to be treated out of the country than in the country, by his doctors there. what's the latest we know? >> well, jake, we know from a source that told our jake tapper
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that trevor was fighting with troops near bakhmut to take back territory when he was hit in his legs by shrapnel. there were other members in the group also injured in that fighting. and sources told us he was first treated in a hospital in kyiv before being evacuated by ngos to a hospital in germany. as you said, he's expected to make a full recovery there. it's important to note that this source close to trevor and u.s. officials are very clear he was there on his own accord. he went there according to the source close to him, because he had seen the depth of russian oppression when he was in prison for almost three years. he was freed in a high-profile prisoner swap in april of last year. there are three detained in russia, paul whelan and evan gershkovich. and there are negotiations under way to secure their release.
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secretary tear blinken was asked about it yesterday and he said he was aware of the case and should not have an effect to free paul whelan. of course, they're concerned this could have an impact on the negotiations but they stressed these are completely separate issues. this is what they told me, this is something an individual did of their own volition and should be treated entirely separately than the release of paul whelan and evan gershkovich. the hope is that he's able to get back to the united states, as quick as possible, completely healed up. and we'll wait to see what happens with the negotiations over paul and evan as well. jim. >> i've heard from u.s. officials, perhaps you've heard the same but there is deep concern this might have an effect in the ongoing highly delicate negotiations over evan gershkovich. and paul whelan. does trevor reed's family or
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representatives have concerns? >> they haven't said anything, paul whelan and his family said this is not the end point when you get out of prison. they had no comments on the developments of trevor reed but said they hoped he healed up soon. >> jennifer hansler, thank you. boris. >> a heating hearing, grilling homeland security over president biden's. and how it's's threatening it a republicicans threaten impeachmhment. we'll be right back. type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone.
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